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Lalin - 10 Dec 2005 02:13 GMT
I am planning to spend a week on a live a board this coming summer.
Has anybody in this NG used Club Cantamar? Any comments on their
operation/crew?
Do they dive the same sites as Baja Expeditions?
Thanks.
Geo - 10 Dec 2005 12:15 GMT
> I am planning to spend a week on a live a board this coming summer.
> Has anybody in this NG used Club Cantamar? Any comments on their
> operation/crew?
> Do they dive the same sites as Baja Expeditions?
> Thanks.

Hey Ed, how's it going? Nice to see you still have those Jan 2001 pics
up, I still have a link.

All the best
Geo
Lalin - 10 Dec 2005 15:25 GMT
Hi George, nice to hear from you!
I see that you are still in Canada. Doing any diving up there during the
summer?
Best regards,
Ed

>> I am planning to spend a week on a live a board this coming summer.
>> Has anybody in this NG used Club Cantamar? Any comments on their
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> All the best
> Geo
Geo - 10 Dec 2005 16:51 GMT
> Hi George, nice to hear from you!
> I see that you are still in Canada. Doing any diving up there during the
> summer?
> Best regards,
> Ed

No diving here for me. Did it once only. Cold brown water, brown fish,
brown bottom, brown weeds.

I was spoiled in FL, hoping to do some St. Lawrence or maybe FL this
coming summer.

Geo
Greg Mossman - 10 Dec 2005 17:41 GMT
>I am planning to spend a week on a live a board this coming summer.
> Has anybody in this NG used Club Cantamar? Any comments on their
> operation/crew?
> Do they dive the same sites as Baja Expeditions?
> Thanks.

I stayed at Cantamar back in 1999.  If they maintain their liveaboard like
they did their smaller boats, be prepared for a very long swim.
Lalin - 10 Dec 2005 21:26 GMT
Hi Greg, could you pls clarify?
>>I am planning to spend a week on a live a board this coming summer.
>> Has anybody in this NG used Club Cantamar? Any comments on their
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> I stayed at Cantamar back in 1999.  If they maintain their liveaboard like
> they did their smaller boats, be prepared for a very long swim.
Greg Mossman - 11 Dec 2005 00:58 GMT
>>>I am planning to spend a week on a live a board this coming summer.
>>> Has anybody in this NG used Club Cantamar? Any comments on their
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>> I stayed at Cantamar back in 1999.  If they maintain their liveaboard
>> like they did their smaller boats, be prepared for a very long swim.

> Hi Greg, could you pls clarify?

Mind you, this was a few years ago.  I came with a large group, so we were
relegated to a bigger, slower boat.  The head would routinely break down an
hour or so into the trips, which involved 2-4 hour boat rides each way.  One
day's 2-hour return trip turned into almost 4 hours when one engine broke
down.  I had other issues with the lodging, but then it was the fly season
after all.  My experiences would make me hesitate to book on their
liveaboard without some first-hand reviews, especially with the
well-received Nautilus Explorer or Solmar (or even the Don Jose) doing much
the same diving.  On the other hand, they offer shorter trips, which may
come in handy for shorter vacations.  If you brave it, let me know how you
liked it.
Lalin - 11 Dec 2005 16:19 GMT
The Nautilus does not sail the Sea of Cortez when I am planning to go, and
the Solmar costs almost double than the Don Jose or Cantamar's liveaboard
(however they give you a couple more days of diving).
So far I have not find out about any first hand comment on Cantamar's. The
Don Jose seems to have some good feedback from people from the NG.

>>>>I am planning to spend a week on a live a board this coming summer.
>>>> Has anybody in this NG used Club Cantamar? Any comments on their
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> may come in handy for shorter vacations.  If you brave it, let me know how
> you liked it.
Greg Mossman - 11 Dec 2005 17:56 GMT
> The Nautilus does not sail the Sea of Cortez when I am planning to go, and
> the Solmar costs almost double than the Don Jose or Cantamar's liveaboard
> (however they give you a couple more days of diving).
> So far I have not find out about any first hand comment on Cantamar's. The
> Don Jose seems to have some good feedback from people from the NG.

From what I've heard, there's are reasons why the Don Jose costs less,
basically fulfulling the axiom that you get what you pay for.  But I haven't
heard anything truly terrible or scary about the boat.  On the other hand,
Cantamar has run a successful operation for years there so you'd think they
must get some things right.  Or so you hope.

I'm scheduled in July to go on a boat that's not even scheduled to be put in
service until February, so it's a completely blank slate and I'm a bit
nervous having only the reputation of the company to rely on.  That company,
however, has a terrific reputation with nary a negative review, so I decided
to risk spending 11 nights and many thousands of dollars on what could end
up being a leaky washtub.

From what I recall, the Cantamar people were a family-run operation which
included their related dive op, Baja Diving and Service.  I already
mentioned the problem with their large boats and alluded to the fly problem
we had in our room (a really, really, really bad fly problem).  Otherwise,
the room was OK as cheap Mexican hotel rooms go, with a typical
mattress-like-a-rock and very strong air-conditioning, and I don't recall
any other negatives about the hotel except the bar tab at the swim up bar
where the tiny $4 margarita would turn into $8 if you wanted a double, which
was simply another shot of cheap tequila.

Normally I wouldn't complain about such a rip off (perhaps the prices don't
seem high compared to other resorts, but trust me that they were very out of
range for the sh.t hole that La Paz was at the time, where nice sidewalk
cafes in town would sell you a huge strong margarita for $5 or so), except
that they also tried to charge us for nitrox tanks that we didn't use and
had mixed up some other room's charges with us and ended up being very
unfriendly as we tried to settle the bill.  So unfriendly that they were
actually yelling at us to come back to the office because they thought they
had discovered some other charge that our group supposedly owed, but I
fortunately had rented a car that I needed to return and sped off into the
sunset to safely meet up with the rest of our group at the airport.  That
marked the fifth and last time I ever had to flee a Mexican hotel, as I've
chosen my accomodations more wisely ever since.  (At least the guy chasing
after our car at Cantamar didn't pull a weapon on us like that time in
Ensenada when I was accused of stealing a pillow, but that's a different
story . . .)

Me, I'd go with the Don Jose.
Lalin - 11 Dec 2005 22:10 GMT
Good luck on your July trip and many many compliments on your web
site/videos.

>> The Nautilus does not sail the Sea of Cortez when I am planning to go,
>> and the Solmar costs almost double than the Don Jose or Cantamar's
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>
> Me, I'd go with the Don Jose.
Greg Mossman - 11 Dec 2005 23:52 GMT
> Good luck on your July trip and many many compliments on your web
> site/videos.

Thanks for the compliments, but I have absolutely no idea what you're
talking about.  I don't think I have any video up on the web.  I have some
photos, but people tell me they suck.
Lalin - 12 Dec 2005 02:34 GMT
Isn't http://www.mossmanscubaventures.com/ your web site?

>> Good luck on your July trip and many many compliments on your web
>> site/videos.
>
> Thanks for the compliments, but I have absolutely no idea what you're
> talking about.  I don't think I have any video up on the web.  I have some
> photos, but people tell me they suck.
Whistler - 12 Dec 2005 02:45 GMT
> Isn't http://www.mossmanscubaventures.com/ your web site?

No, you have Greg Mossman and Greg Mossfeldt confused.  The latter hails
from Calgary, owns the website you found and has not popped his head up
here for some time, I think.

>>>Good luck on your July trip and many many compliments on your web
>>>site/videos.
>>
>>Thanks for the compliments, but I have absolutely no idea what you're
>>talking about.  I don't think I have any video up on the web.  I have some
>>photos, but people tell me they suck.
Lalin - 12 Dec 2005 02:55 GMT
You are right.
Greg (Mossman), I am taking back the compliments for your web site... : - )
Which is your URL?

>> Isn't http://www.mossmanscubaventures.com/ your web site?
>
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>>>talking about.  I don't think I have any video up on the web.  I have
>>>some photos, but people tell me they suck.
Greg Mossman - 12 Dec 2005 17:42 GMT
> You are right.
> Greg (Mossman), I am taking back the compliments for your web site...
> : - )
> Which is your URL?

Real Mossmans don't need URLs to prove they can dive.  Besides, the last
comment about my pics was something to the tune of the worst the poster had
ever seen posted anywhere on the internet.  I don't know that my ego can
suffer any more criticism, at least until I can redesign my site and post
new and better pics.  Until then, enjoy the usurper-Mossman's site.  He
obviously needs all the compliments he can get.
Greg Mossman - 12 Dec 2005 17:37 GMT
> Isn't http://www.mossmanscubaventures.com/ your web site?

Nope.  That's the wannabe Mossman.  I'm the real Mossman.
Elliott Goldstein - 10 Dec 2005 20:13 GMT
i stayed at Cantamer a few years when it was newly opened. nice place,
decent food, way out town but they had a shuttle to go into and out of
town. some boats were nice. when i went out in the panga, i wasn't
thrilled. good staff.
elliott

>I am planning to spend a week on a live a board this coming summer.
>Has anybody in this NG used Club Cantamar? Any comments on their
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