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sweir toronto canada - 03 Dec 2005 20:12 GMT
I was checking out a potential Yap trip and visited Zak Jone's webpage.
Home page appears to be a memorial.  I guess Zak  is missing, or,
worse.  Does anyone know what has happened?
chilly - 04 Dec 2005 02:37 GMT
> I was checking out a potential Yap trip and visited Zak Jone's webpage.
>  Home page appears to be a memorial.  I guess Zak  is missing, or,
> worse.  Does anyone know what has happened?

Info on what actually happened seems to be very scarce.  He died diving a
Meg in Florida in late November.  So far that's all I've been able to find
out.
sweir toronto canada - 06 Dec 2005 14:36 GMT
> Info on what actually happened seems to be very scarce.  He died diving a
> Meg in Florida in late November.  So far that's all I've been able to find
> out.

After your posting I looked around the web.  There was a memorial
service for him on the weekend in Seattle.  Everyone rather quiet about
what happened, and, I can respect that. Case closed.
Gary Owens - 07 Dec 2005 22:54 GMT
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_
county/13336907.htm


>I was checking out a potential Yap trip and visited Zak Jone's webpage.
> Home page appears to be a memorial.  I guess Zak  is missing, or,
> worse.  Does anyone know what has happened?
Dennis (Icarus) - 08 Dec 2005 03:17 GMT
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_
county/13336907.htm


I think I see the problem:
"Jones' buddy dumped the air out of Jones' buoyancy-compensation vest,
sending him quickly to the surface, according to O'Neil. The buddy ascended
slower because of the depth they were diving, which is beyond the
recreational limit of 130 feet."

I always thought dumping the air out of the bouyancy compensator would cause
the chap to sink.

Dennis

> >I was checking out a potential Yap trip and visited Zak Jone's webpage.
> > Home page appears to be a memorial.  I guess Zak  is missing, or,
> > worse.  Does anyone know what has happened?
sweir toronto canada - 08 Dec 2005 14:18 GMT
<<I think I see the problem:
<<"Jones' buddy dumped the air out of Jones' buoyancy-compensation
vest,
sending him quickly to the surface, according to O'Neil. The buddy
ascended
slower because of the depth they were diving, which is beyond the
recreational limit of 130 feet."

<<I always thought dumping the air out of the bouyancy compensator
would cause
the chap to sink.

I saw that too.  Given the writer knows nothing about diving, you gotta
suspect every other piece of information in that piece, except of
course that the diver is dead.
noname - 09 Dec 2005 19:43 GMT
You must be a reporter, Dennis because without any facts you make
sweeping conclusions.
--------------------------
The real story is that it is still under investigation and that Zak is
gone. All else is pure speculation.

I'm a divemaster myself and have dove with Zak during classes. He was a
very skilled diver. I have known Zak for years. He used to work out of a
dive store in Seattle, Underwater Sports before his move to Florida.

He was, without a doubt, one of the nicest people I have ever met. He
had an unparallel enthusiasm for life and diving. There was a memorial
held for him at the Seattle Aquarium paid for mostly (all?) by
Underwater Sports. Beforehand it was thought maybe 100 or so people
would show up. Nearly 400 did, a testament to the affection and respect
everyone had for Zak.

All who knew him feel a terrible loss. You can honor him by not making
speculative claims about what happened. Wait until the facts have come
forth. I know when I was divemastering with Zak and some of the other
instructors we had four deaths at one dive site, which made it one of
the most deadly dive sites any place in the world during that year. The
newspaper reports and divers in forums jumped to all kinds conclusions.
The bottom line is that all of them were completely off base which, of
course, wrongly maligned diving and upset Zak to the sport he loved
treated with so little respect. The real cause was - out of shape, obese
divers who had heart attacks in three of the cases and the third was an
out of air situation. The person was a newer diver in an area they
should not have been chasing crabs and simply run out of air.

I believe an account has been set up to assist Zak's wife, Robyn. Visit
www.prodiveusa.com/home.php for more information. I don't believe they
were that well off but then anyone in the dive industry is not. They do
it for the sport not financial rewards.

Here to good viz!

> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_
county/13336907.htm

>
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>>> Home page appears to be a memorial.  I guess Zak  is missing, or,
>>> worse.  Does anyone know what has happened?
Popeye - 10 Dec 2005 01:31 GMT
> You must be a reporter, Dennis because without any facts you make sweeping
> conclusions.

 I hate to slap you awake or anything, fuktard, but, Dennis didn't offer
any conclusions, sweeping or otherwise.

 Are you Polish?
Dennis (Icarus) - 10 Dec 2005 04:40 GMT
> You must be a reporter, Dennis because without any facts you make
> sweeping conclusions.

I take it you didn't read the article, or my comments.
   "Jones' buddy dumped the air out of Jones' buoyancy-compensation vest,
   sending him quickly to the surface, according to O'Neil. The buddy
ascended
   slower because of the depth they were diving, which is beyond the
   recreational limit of 130 feet."

Perhaps its a terminology thing. Where I'm from, "dumping air out of" a BC
implies that air is leaving the BC.
This would, presuming I remember the diving physics from certs (and DIR-F)
classes correctly, decrease bouyancy.
Dump enough out quickly enough, and you'll sink.

I admi that I've only been a diver for 6 years, but I've never seen someone
dump air out of a BC with the result of they ascend quickly.
Perhaps Lee, ESG, or Popeye could tell me differently.
I doubt it would happen even if you aimed the exhaust valve downwards.

> --------------------------
> The real story is that it is still under investigation and that Zak is
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> very skilled diver. I have known Zak for years. He used to work out of a
> dive store in Seattle, Underwater Sports before his move to Florida.

I'm a divemaster too (NAUI).Now, generally in my rescue classes I learned
that if you come across an unconsius diver youa dd air to the BC to get them
to the surface. Not dump it out. Even in Australia, I added air to increase
bouyancy, and dumped air to decrease bouyancy.

My condolences on the loss of your friend.

> He was, without a doubt, one of the nicest people I have ever met. He
> had an unparallel enthusiasm for life and diving. There was a memorial
> held for him at the Seattle Aquarium paid for mostly (all?) by
> Underwater Sports. Beforehand it was thought maybe 100 or so people
> would show up. Nearly 400 did, a testament to the affection and respect
> everyone had for Zak.

Very nice.

> All who knew him feel a terrible loss. You can honor him by not making
> speculative claims about what happened. Wait until the facts have come

I didn't make any speculative claims. I was pointing out an error made by
the reporter.
You did see the error, right?

> forth. I know when I was divemastering with Zak and some of the other
> instructors we had four deaths at one dive site, which made it one of
> the most deadly dive sites any place in the world during that year. The
> newspaper reports and divers in forums jumped to all kinds conclusions.
> The bottom line is that all of them were completely off base which, of

As "sweir toronto canada" said
   "I saw that too.  Given the writer knows nothing about diving, you gotta
   suspect every other piece of information in that piece, except of
   course that the diver is dead."
Sometimes it is difficult for someone who wasnt there to tell its off base.
When the reporter makes tht kind of a mistake though......its a bit easier.

> course, wrongly maligned diving and upset Zak to the sport he loved
> treated with so little respect. The real cause was - out of shape, obese
> divers who had heart attacks in three of the cases and the third was an
> out of air situation. The person was a newer diver in an area they
> should not have been chasing crabs and simply run out of air.

So the first, second & fourth were obese & out of shape?
(You know, I imagine they had friends, too)

> I believe an account has been set up to assist Zak's wife, Robyn. Visit
> www.prodiveusa.com/home.php for more information. I don't believe they
> were that well off but then anyone in the dive industry is not. They do
> it for the sport not financial rewards.

How do you make a small fortune in diving? Start with a large one.

> Here to good viz!

You too.

Dennis

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Rod - 10 Dec 2005 16:13 GMT
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 22:42:50 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
<nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote:

<snip

>How do you make a small fortune in diving? Start with a large one.
>
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>
><snip>

If I remember correctly in Australia your on the other side of the
planet from here, so maybe there  everything is upside down, so to get
to the surface you remove air and to go deeper you add air.
Greg Mossman - 10 Dec 2005 17:51 GMT
> If I remember correctly in Australia your on the other side of the
> planet from here, so maybe there  everything is upside down, so to get
> to the surface you remove air and to go deeper you add air.

Could be why Aussies are so wacky and talk so funny.  On the surface they're
really narced, and don't start acting and talking normal until they hit
130+.
Dennis (Icarus) - 10 Dec 2005 19:14 GMT
> On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 22:42:50 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote:
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> planet from here, so maybe there  everything is upside down, so to get
> to the surface you remove air and to go deeper you add air.

On the other side of the planet & upside down from where I am currently
(North America).
Still added air to ascend, dumped air to descend.

Maybe that only occurs in the Seattle area.
Scott? YRH J6?

Dennis
 
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