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Walter B. - 15 Nov 2005 01:11 GMT
BIKINI RE-VISITED

crossroads +60
On October 12
,2005, my son and I made a 5 hour flight from Honolulu to Majuro
(capital of the Marshall Islands). The next day was a 2 hour flight to
Bikini Atoll with a brief stop at Kwajalein. We landed on a coral and
grass runway on Enyu island,where we were met by Bikini Divers and
transferred to Bikini island by boat. Bikini Divers is a semi-permanent
group catering primarily to scuba divers and consists of three dive
masters and 5 or 6 Marshallese. In addition to Bikini Divers, there is a
small U.S. Department of Energy group living on the island still testing
mainly things grown on the island as well as the water. Their claim is
that Bikini is the most tested island in the world. There are 10 or 12
buildings on Bikini housing the Bikini Divers,DOE personnel,Marshallese
workers, and visiting guests. Our quarters for the week were Spartan,
but clean and comfortable with airconditioning and hot showers. Power is
supplied to all of the facilities by two good sized generaters in a
separate building away from the housing. A supply ship delivers food,
fuel, and other necessities 3 or 4 time a year. This ship arrived during
our stay (3 months late) with many goodies, including fresh eggs. The
three meals per day were quite good even before the supply ship arrived,
thanks to a large walk-in freezer. There was also no shortage of fresh
water supplied by a desalinization plant. Bikini island looked much like
it did 59 years ago,but has more breadfruit and pandanus trees. As you
may recall,Able and Baker tests did little damage to the islands. The
Bravo test in 1954, which was 1000 times the power of Able and Baker,
however, levelled just about all of the trees on the atoll. Bikini
island was then bulldozed and cleared of all vegetation. Coconut palm
trees were planted in the 1970's and are now full grown. Most of these
were planted in straight lines in grids over the island but are very
appealing to the eye. There is no sign of the camera towers erected in
1946 by the 53rd Seabees, but there are several large concrete bunkers
built probably for Bravo,one of which we viewed inside.The smaller
islands in the atoll were not re-planted and have very few palm trees.
They are thickly covered with breadfruit, pandanus,and other trees and
shrubs. Eddie,a very personable Marshallese whose grandfather was one of
the Bikinian moved off the island, took my son and me on a boat trip to
the outer islands and we went ashore on Eman island (Eneman), where I
lived for about 3 months in 1946 with a weather station contingent of 8
people (2 Air Force officers, 3 AF enlisted men, 1 Coxwain, and two
Seabees including myself. The station made daily weather
reports to Kwajalein for the B-29's making practice runs on an Erik
island target. That brought back many memories of swimming,fishing for
sharks, beachcombing,and tent living. The scuba divers went out twice a
day to dive on,around, an in the Saratoga CV3, Japanese battleship
Nagato, battleship USS Arkansas, and other ships and submarines at the
bottom of the lagoon.My son and I did not dive as it is no place for a
novice diver. They were down 150-180 feet most days. We did, however,
snorkle above the Saratoga and could see the outline of her
superstructure. The Bikinians evacuated in 1946 to Rongerik, or their
descendants are now living mostly on Kili Atoll. The Marshallese now
working on Bikini are mostly from Majuro and return there once or twice
a year. All in all it was a thoroughly enjoyable trip, although my son
was a little bit antsy because of the isolation and remoteness of
Bikini. No telephones,TV, Internet or other contact with the outside
world. There was a satellite telephone available for emergency use and a
TV for showing of videos and DVD's.
******************************************************************************************************************
FYI--For anyone interested in reading about Crossroads the book
"Operation Crossroads" by Jonathan M. Weisgall is an excellent account
of that time. You may find it in your local library.
*********************************************************You may also
find a lot of information about Bikini and Bikini Divers at
bikiniatoll.com
********************************************************* Walter B.
Kropf Phm2/c 53rd Seabees,1946
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Scott - 15 Nov 2005 01:33 GMT
Yeah, we got the last issue of spam.
Walter B. - 15 Nov 2005 01:43 GMT
Sorry about the double post. I am not too sharp on a computer.  If you
think what I have written is spam,I invite you to go to bikiniatoll.com
and become educated.

                                         
Don - 15 Nov 2005 02:15 GMT
> Sorry about the double post. I am not too sharp on a computer.  If you
> think what I have written is spam,I invite you to go to bikiniatoll.com
> and become educated.
>
>Great post Walter. Keep up the good work.
Dillon Pyron - 15 Nov 2005 04:42 GMT
>Sorry about the double post. I am not too sharp on a computer.  If you
>think what I have written is spam,I invite you to go to bikiniatoll.com
>and become educated.
>
>                                          

Where's the diving content?  Not one word other than the operator.
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Walter B. - 15 Nov 2005 15:26 GMT
For confuzzed an dumpyron ------<<Where's the diving.>>
The diving is into,on,and around the USS Saratoga CV3,USS Arkansas,
Japanese,battleship Nagato, and other ships at the bottom of Bikini
Lagoon.They have been there since they were sunk during Operaton
Crossroads Atomic Bomb tests in 1946.These ships are entered at a depth
of approximately 180 feet. I thought I had mentoned this in my post.
Perhaps you should check your nitrox mixture.
    I am sorry if you are offended by my lack of posting etiquete.
Perhaps this board was not the place for an account of my personal trip
down memory lane.It was originally meant for those who were at Bikini in
1946. The divers who did explore these ships, however, were full of
praise for the experience as well for the  the Dive Masters.
Again----if you will go to "bikiniatoll.com", you may get a great deal
more information about the
diving.---------------------------------------------------------Walter
B.

                                         
dazed and confuzzed - 16 Nov 2005 01:18 GMT
> For confuzzed an dumpyron ------<<Where's the diving.>>
> The diving is into,on,and around the USS Saratoga CV3,USS Arkansas,
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>
>                                            

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Walter B. - 16 Nov 2005 05:37 GMT
For dazzed and confuzzed. -----------------------I don't have time for
any more of this sh.t. I have a real life that is far more interesting.
You might try getting one yourself. You might even enjoy
it.-------------------Sayonara

                                         
Grumman-581 - 16 Nov 2005 06:15 GMT
> For dazzed and confuzzed. -----------------------I don't have time for
> any more of this sh.t. I have a real life that is far more interesting.

We doubt it... <snicker>

It couldn't be *that* great of a real life, 'ell, you're on webtv...
Don - 16 Nov 2005 13:22 GMT
>> For dazzed and confuzzed. -----------------------I don't have time for
>> any more of this sh.t. I have a real life that is far more interesting.
>
> We doubt it... <snicker>
>
> It couldn't be *that* great of a real life, 'ell, you're on webtv...

Inbred...............you dive in f.cking swamps and you question his quality
of life?
Grumman-581 - 16 Nov 2005 16:26 GMT
> Inbred...............you dive in f.cking swamps and you question his quality
> of life?

Some people do shark dives... The like to see the apex predator for that
environment in its natural state... Given this, why wouldn't someone want to
do the same for fresh water?

Truthfully, I prefer diving in the Florida swamps...  The spring fed ones
have very good visibility... From a practical standpoint, it means that you
can see the marine life from 100+ feet away instead of only 3-5 feet... I
have to admit though, there's a certain adrenaline rush seeing a gator swim
past as a shadow only 5 ft away from you... I suspect that if the gator had
been larger, the adrenaline rush might have been rather shortlived...

Merrit's Mill Pond is basically a cypress swamp in the Florida panhandle
near Marianna... Makes for an interesting dive...
http://tfn.net/Springs/MariannaBlue.htm
http://tfn.net/Springs/Shangrila.htm
http://tfn.net/Springs/IndianWashtub.htm
http://tfn.net/Springs/GatorJackson.htm
http://floridafisheries.com/pdf/MerrittsMillPondrich.pdf
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/springs/locator/jacksonblue.htm
http://tfn.net/Springs/
Don - 16 Nov 2005 17:52 GMT
>> Inbred...............you dive in f.cking swamps and you question his
> quality
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> http://www.dep.state.fl.us/springs/locator/jacksonblue.htm
> http://tfn.net/Springs/

HOOOOOOOOOOO DOGGAY!!!!!!!!!Dang...........dem shore is sum suuhweeet lookin
dive sites!!!! Dats gots ta be reel scaary seeun a gaytor swamin rhat past
yuh. Dang!!!! Im thinkin cause ya'll in the south don shower much that ya
stank so bad thu gaytor dun dont want nuttin ta du wit ya en swum rhat past
ya. Ah new ther was a raison ya stink so bad. So's dem gayters wont com neer
ya. Ya'll are sum kinda smart.
Grumman-581 - 16 Nov 2005 19:15 GMT
> HOOOOOOOOOOO DOGGAY!!!!!!!!!Dang...........dem shore is sum suuhweeet lookin
> dive sites!!!!

You could only wish that you had as good of dive sites up there in that
cesspool that you live in...
Don - 17 Nov 2005 00:49 GMT
>> HOOOOOOOOOOO DOGGAY!!!!!!!!!Dang...........dem shore is sum suuhweeet
> lookin
>> dive sites!!!!
>
> You could only wish that you had as good of dive sites up there in that
> cesspool that you live in...

Dang .............ya gots may gud wit thet one. We awl aint got no good
swamp divin up haire. N we sore aints got none o dem thar gayters.
Gayters.........git it? Gayters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UHHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!!!
Grumman-581 - 17 Nov 2005 17:57 GMT
<snip-drug-induced-rambling>

Don, seriously, I suspect that you need to have your Ritalin dosage
adjusted... Your posts before you went on it were noticeably more lucid...
Don - 16 Nov 2005 21:56 GMT
> <snip-drug-induced-rambling>
>
> Don, seriously, I suspect that you need to have your Ritalin dosage
> adjusted... Your posts before you went on it were noticeably more lucid...

Inbred, seriously, I suspect you need to have your Lithium dosage
adjusted................You dive in f.cking swamps.
Dillon Pyron - 21 Nov 2005 02:43 GMT
>> <snip-drug-induced-rambling>
>>
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>Inbred, seriously, I suspect you need to have your Lithium dosage
>adjusted................You dive in f.cking swamps.

Don, do you actually dive, or just troll?
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Dillon Pyron - 16 Nov 2005 05:30 GMT
>For confuzzed an dumpyron ------<<Where's the diving.>>
>The diving is into,on,and around the USS Saratoga CV3,USS Arkansas,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>                                          

You're orignal post had no mention of diving other than "go to Bikini
and dive with Bikini Divers".  What dives did you do?  Depth and
bottom time, what did you see?  Just the little trivial stuff that we
look for in a dive report.
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dillon

Science is when a beautiful theory is killed by
an ugly fact.

Grumman-581 - 15 Nov 2005 05:40 GMT
> Sorry about the double post. I am not too sharp on a computer.

We already knew that since you had a webtv domain... Just look at it on the
positive side though -- you're lightyears ahead of the rest of the webtv
ilk...
Don - 15 Nov 2005 12:04 GMT
>> Sorry about the double post. I am not too sharp on a computer.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>THAT THERES RIGHT GRUM.............BUT HAS DIS SON O BITCH AVER DUN A SWAMP
>DIVE????????????????

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