Scuba Forum / General / November 2005
In and around historic ships
|
|
Thread rating:  |
Walter B. - 15 Nov 2005 01:11 GMT BIKINI RE-VISITED crossroads +60 On October 12 ,2005, my son and I made a 5 hour flight from Honolulu to Majuro (capital of the Marshall Islands). The next day was a 2 hour flight to Bikini Atoll with a brief stop at Kwajalein. We landed on a coral and grass runway on Enyu island,where we were met by Bikini Divers and transferred to Bikini island by boat. Bikini Divers is a semi-permanent group catering primarily to scuba divers and consists of three dive masters and 5 or 6 Marshallese. In addition to Bikini Divers, there is a small U.S. Department of Energy group living on the island still testing mainly things grown on the island as well as the water. Their claim is that Bikini is the most tested island in the world. There are 10 or 12 buildings on Bikini housing the Bikini Divers,DOE personnel,Marshallese workers, and visiting guests. Our quarters for the week were Spartan, but clean and comfortable with airconditioning and hot showers. Power is supplied to all of the facilities by two good sized generaters in a separate building away from the housing. A supply ship delivers food, fuel, and other necessities 3 or 4 time a year. This ship arrived during our stay (3 months late) with many goodies, including fresh eggs. The three meals per day were quite good even before the supply ship arrived, thanks to a large walk-in freezer. There was also no shortage of fresh water supplied by a desalinization plant. Bikini island looked much like it did 59 years ago,but has more breadfruit and pandanus trees. As you may recall,Able and Baker tests did little damage to the islands. The Bravo test in 1954, which was 1000 times the power of Able and Baker, however, levelled just about all of the trees on the atoll. Bikini island was then bulldozed and cleared of all vegetation. Coconut palm trees were planted in the 1970's and are now full grown. Most of these were planted in straight lines in grids over the island but are very appealing to the eye. There is no sign of the camera towers erected in 1946 by the 53rd Seabees, but there are several large concrete bunkers built probably for Bravo,one of which we viewed inside.The smaller islands in the atoll were not re-planted and have very few palm trees. They are thickly covered with breadfruit, pandanus,and other trees and shrubs. Eddie,a very personable Marshallese whose grandfather was one of the Bikinian moved off the island, took my son and me on a boat trip to the outer islands and we went ashore on Eman island (Eneman), where I lived for about 3 months in 1946 with a weather station contingent of 8 people (2 Air Force officers, 3 AF enlisted men, 1 Coxwain, and two Seabees including myself. The station made daily weather reports to Kwajalein for the B-29's making practice runs on an Erik island target. That brought back many memories of swimming,fishing for sharks, beachcombing,and tent living. The scuba divers went out twice a day to dive on,around, an in the Saratoga CV3, Japanese battleship Nagato, battleship USS Arkansas, and other ships and submarines at the bottom of the lagoon.My son and I did not dive as it is no place for a novice diver. They were down 150-180 feet most days. We did, however, snorkle above the Saratoga and could see the outline of her superstructure. The Bikinians evacuated in 1946 to Rongerik, or their descendants are now living mostly on Kili Atoll. The Marshallese now working on Bikini are mostly from Majuro and return there once or twice a year. All in all it was a thoroughly enjoyable trip, although my son was a little bit antsy because of the isolation and remoteness of Bikini. No telephones,TV, Internet or other contact with the outside world. There was a satellite telephone available for emergency use and a TV for showing of videos and DVD's. ****************************************************************************************************************** FYI--For anyone interested in reading about Crossroads the book "Operation Crossroads" by Jonathan M. Weisgall is an excellent account of that time. You may find it in your local library. *********************************************************You may also find a lot of information about Bikini and Bikini Divers at bikiniatoll.com ********************************************************* Walter B. Kropf Phm2/c 53rd Seabees,1946 Powered by MSN TV v
Scott - 15 Nov 2005 01:33 GMT Yeah, we got the last issue of spam.
Walter B. - 15 Nov 2005 01:43 GMT Sorry about the double post. I am not too sharp on a computer. If you think what I have written is spam,I invite you to go to bikiniatoll.com and become educated.
Don - 15 Nov 2005 02:15 GMT > Sorry about the double post. I am not too sharp on a computer. If you > think what I have written is spam,I invite you to go to bikiniatoll.com > and become educated. > >Great post Walter. Keep up the good work. Dillon Pyron - 15 Nov 2005 04:42 GMT >Sorry about the double post. I am not too sharp on a computer. If you >think what I have written is spam,I invite you to go to bikiniatoll.com >and become educated. > > Where's the diving content? Not one word other than the operator.
 Signature dillon
Science is when a beautiful theory is killed by an ugly fact.
Walter B. - 15 Nov 2005 15:26 GMT For confuzzed an dumpyron ------<<Where's the diving.>> The diving is into,on,and around the USS Saratoga CV3,USS Arkansas, Japanese,battleship Nagato, and other ships at the bottom of Bikini Lagoon.They have been there since they were sunk during Operaton Crossroads Atomic Bomb tests in 1946.These ships are entered at a depth of approximately 180 feet. I thought I had mentoned this in my post. Perhaps you should check your nitrox mixture. I am sorry if you are offended by my lack of posting etiquete. Perhaps this board was not the place for an account of my personal trip down memory lane.It was originally meant for those who were at Bikini in 1946. The divers who did explore these ships, however, were full of praise for the experience as well for the the Dive Masters. Again----if you will go to "bikiniatoll.com", you may get a great deal more information about the diving.---------------------------------------------------------Walter B.
dazed and confuzzed - 16 Nov 2005 01:18 GMT > For confuzzed an dumpyron ------<<Where's the diving.>> > The diving is into,on,and around the USS Saratoga CV3,USS Arkansas, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > a.s
 Signature “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
Walter B. - 16 Nov 2005 05:37 GMT For dazzed and confuzzed. -----------------------I don't have time for any more of this sh.t. I have a real life that is far more interesting. You might try getting one yourself. You might even enjoy it.-------------------Sayonara
Grumman-581 - 16 Nov 2005 06:15 GMT > For dazzed and confuzzed. -----------------------I don't have time for > any more of this sh.t. I have a real life that is far more interesting. We doubt it... <snicker>
It couldn't be *that* great of a real life, 'ell, you're on webtv...
Don - 16 Nov 2005 13:22 GMT >> For dazzed and confuzzed. -----------------------I don't have time for >> any more of this sh.t. I have a real life that is far more interesting. > > We doubt it... <snicker> > > It couldn't be *that* great of a real life, 'ell, you're on webtv... Inbred...............you dive in f.cking swamps and you question his quality of life?
Grumman-581 - 16 Nov 2005 16:26 GMT > Inbred...............you dive in f.cking swamps and you question his quality > of life? Some people do shark dives... The like to see the apex predator for that environment in its natural state... Given this, why wouldn't someone want to do the same for fresh water?
Truthfully, I prefer diving in the Florida swamps... The spring fed ones have very good visibility... From a practical standpoint, it means that you can see the marine life from 100+ feet away instead of only 3-5 feet... I have to admit though, there's a certain adrenaline rush seeing a gator swim past as a shadow only 5 ft away from you... I suspect that if the gator had been larger, the adrenaline rush might have been rather shortlived...
Merrit's Mill Pond is basically a cypress swamp in the Florida panhandle near Marianna... Makes for an interesting dive... http://tfn.net/Springs/MariannaBlue.htm http://tfn.net/Springs/Shangrila.htm http://tfn.net/Springs/IndianWashtub.htm http://tfn.net/Springs/GatorJackson.htm http://floridafisheries.com/pdf/MerrittsMillPondrich.pdf http://www.dep.state.fl.us/springs/locator/jacksonblue.htm http://tfn.net/Springs/
Don - 16 Nov 2005 17:52 GMT >> Inbred...............you dive in f.cking swamps and you question his > quality [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > http://www.dep.state.fl.us/springs/locator/jacksonblue.htm > http://tfn.net/Springs/ HOOOOOOOOOOO DOGGAY!!!!!!!!!Dang...........dem shore is sum suuhweeet lookin dive sites!!!! Dats gots ta be reel scaary seeun a gaytor swamin rhat past yuh. Dang!!!! Im thinkin cause ya'll in the south don shower much that ya stank so bad thu gaytor dun dont want nuttin ta du wit ya en swum rhat past ya. Ah new ther was a raison ya stink so bad. So's dem gayters wont com neer ya. Ya'll are sum kinda smart.
Grumman-581 - 16 Nov 2005 19:15 GMT > HOOOOOOOOOOO DOGGAY!!!!!!!!!Dang...........dem shore is sum suuhweeet lookin > dive sites!!!! You could only wish that you had as good of dive sites up there in that cesspool that you live in...
Don - 17 Nov 2005 00:49 GMT >> HOOOOOOOOOOO DOGGAY!!!!!!!!!Dang...........dem shore is sum suuhweeet > lookin >> dive sites!!!! > > You could only wish that you had as good of dive sites up there in that > cesspool that you live in... Dang .............ya gots may gud wit thet one. We awl aint got no good swamp divin up haire. N we sore aints got none o dem thar gayters. Gayters.........git it? Gayters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UHHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!!!
Grumman-581 - 17 Nov 2005 17:57 GMT <snip-drug-induced-rambling>
Don, seriously, I suspect that you need to have your Ritalin dosage adjusted... Your posts before you went on it were noticeably more lucid...
Don - 16 Nov 2005 21:56 GMT > <snip-drug-induced-rambling> > > Don, seriously, I suspect that you need to have your Ritalin dosage > adjusted... Your posts before you went on it were noticeably more lucid... Inbred, seriously, I suspect you need to have your Lithium dosage adjusted................You dive in f.cking swamps.
Dillon Pyron - 21 Nov 2005 02:43 GMT >> <snip-drug-induced-rambling> >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Inbred, seriously, I suspect you need to have your Lithium dosage >adjusted................You dive in f.cking swamps. Don, do you actually dive, or just troll?
 Signature dillon
Science is when a beautiful theory is killed by an ugly fact.
Dillon Pyron - 16 Nov 2005 05:30 GMT >For confuzzed an dumpyron ------<<Where's the diving.>> >The diving is into,on,and around the USS Saratoga CV3,USS Arkansas, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > You're orignal post had no mention of diving other than "go to Bikini and dive with Bikini Divers". What dives did you do? Depth and bottom time, what did you see? Just the little trivial stuff that we look for in a dive report.
 Signature dillon
Science is when a beautiful theory is killed by an ugly fact.
Grumman-581 - 15 Nov 2005 05:40 GMT > Sorry about the double post. I am not too sharp on a computer. We already knew that since you had a webtv domain... Just look at it on the positive side though -- you're lightyears ahead of the rest of the webtv ilk...
Don - 15 Nov 2005 12:04 GMT >> Sorry about the double post. I am not too sharp on a computer. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >THAT THERES RIGHT GRUM.............BUT HAS DIS SON O BITCH AVER DUN A SWAMP >DIVE????????????????
|
|
|