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anyone heard from the rest of the Forida folks?
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dazed and confuzzed - 25 Oct 2005 12:58 GMT So far, only Curtis has checked in here.
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Rick Simms - 25 Oct 2005 18:50 GMT >So far, only Curtis has checked in here. I was wondering about Lee, Limey Dave & ESG as they were in Wilma's direct line of travel.
Here's the latest I was able to pull from the Broward Co website on the damage.
http://bcegov2.broward.org/newsrelease/viewscreen.asp?MessageID=915
Rick Simms
chilly - 25 Oct 2005 19:33 GMT > >So far, only Curtis has checked in here. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://bcegov2.broward.org/newsrelease/viewscreen.asp?MessageID=915
:^( Grumman-581 - 25 Oct 2005 19:53 GMT > :^( I received a call from a recruiter the other day wanting to know if I would be interested in a new contract in south Florida (Tampa or Boca Raton, I can't remember which)... Let's see... Move from one hurricane target to another? Yeah, why not...
Lee Bell - 26 Oct 2005 18:15 GMT >>So far, only Curtis has checked in here. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Here's the latest I was able to pull from the Broward Co website on > the damage. Phone service came back up this afternoon. My DSL isn't back up yet, but my old netcom account is still active.
The screen enclosure for my patio lost most of its screen in a previous storm. This one took most of the framework as well. I now have an open air bar. No big deal, I had a contract before the storm for roofing the portion that used to be covered by screen and for replacing all the framework and screen.
The hatch of Jayna's Durango took a hit from something heavy. It's seriously dented and the rear window is shattered. I got all the glass particles up before closing the hatch and now have to start all over again. The windshield on my car is cracked, but it's still drivable. I'll worry about getting it fixed after Jayna's is done. The avocado in the back yard split in two. The remaining half may or may not survive. It will be a shame if that tree dies before we got our first avocado from it. It looks like the heart is broken out of 5 of the 6 coconut palms in the front yard. We got some damage to the stainless bows that support the bimini tops on both the 15 footer and the 32 footer. It's no big deal. I can make those repairs myself.
We are under a boil water order and without power. That's an interesting combination for most. FEMA f.cked up again. Trucks with ice and water sat in Palm Beach County for two days because nobody told them where to go. Each of the advertised delivery points turned out not to be delivery points at all, at least that's what people were told after a day and night of waiting in lines. The first supplies were delivered late last night. One bag of ice and one flat of bottled water per person. The excuse, this time, is that telephone communications aren't working well and the trucks didn't have fuel to deliver supplies. Now, I don't want to be too hard on people, but somehow I think that both factors were reasonably predictable.
Unlike, apparently, everybody else, I was somewhat prepared. The 50 gallons of fuel I stocked for my generator was funny before the storm. Nobody's laughing now. Thanks to the generator, the food in my refrigerator and freezer is safe and my ice maker is cranking out ice as fast as it can. So far, I'm the only source of ice for most of my friends and neighbors. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has any idea about food distribution.
Originally, all cell services except Sprint, went out late Monday. Some are back up, some aren't. As I mentioned, my regular phone service came back up a few minutes ago. Power went out about 7:00 AM on Monday and is predicted to remain out, for some residents, for as long as 6 weeks. I don't have that much fuel. Fuel is my biggest problem right now. Because the power is out all over the place, gas stations can't pump gas. The few that have generators, also have lines miles long and are limiting customer purchases to 20 bucks. You don't get much gas for $20 these days. If I don't get power back first, I'll have to get in the lines too. With a little luck, the lines will have diminished a bit and I won't be so limited that my generator burns more gas while I'm in line than I am allowed to purchase when I'm through the line.
Speaking of gas and gas prices, a local gas station was selling gas for $2.55 a gallon and making a profit. As stated by the local news service, if one can do it, others can too. Their claims that their costs force higher prices are, simply put, lies. Jeb Bush still hasn't done a damned thing about it. Imagine that. You'd think the Bush family was in bed with the oil companies . . . oh yeah, they are.
So, all things told, we made out OK . . . so far.
Lee
ben bradlee - 26 Oct 2005 18:38 GMT >>>So far, only Curtis has checked in here. >> [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Lee It's not a good time to drop by for a visit?
Don - 26 Oct 2005 22:56 GMT >>>So far, only Curtis has checked in here. >> [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > shithole with hurricanes every year have at it. On a much more important > note can you tell me if the Speigel Grove is still uprighted? Doug Frederick - 27 Oct 2005 05:19 GMT >> I don't much give a f.ck about your predicament. If you want to live in a >> shithole with hurricanes every year have at it. On a much more important >> note can you tell me if the Speigel Grove is still uprighted? I heard it sailed up your a.s, turned around, and came back out.
Funny you didn't notice.
Or not.
Lee Bell - 27 Oct 2005 12:09 GMT "Don" wrote
> I don't much give a f.ck about your predicament. If you want to live in a > shithole with hurricanes every year have at it. On a much more important > note can you tell me if the Speigel Grove is still uprighted? I don't know. Why don't you stop down and check it out for us. Let me know when you'll arrive, won't you?
Lee
Don - 28 Oct 2005 03:04 GMT > "Don" wrote > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Lee Unfortunately I may have to come down next week. I'll let ya know as soon as I shore up plans.
dazed and confuzzed - 28 Oct 2005 03:22 GMT >>"Don" wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Unfortunately I may have to come down next week. I'll let ya know as soon as > I shore up plans. $10 on Lee.
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Grumman-581 - 28 Oct 2005 03:30 GMT > $10 on Lee. $20 on the gator...
Lee Bell - 28 Oct 2005 03:36 GMT >> $10 on Lee. > > $20 on the gator... Glad you mentioned that. I'll have to look around to see how much the storm affected the gators.
Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 28 Oct 2005 03:59 GMT > Glad you mentioned that. I'll have to look around to see how much the > storm affected the gators. Reminds me of a cartoon of a couple of gators feasting on a couple of tourists, next to a Caddy with New York plates.
Caption was "Mmmmmm, tastes just like chickens."
Curtis
Lee Bell - 28 Oct 2005 03:27 GMT > Unfortunately I may have to come down next week. I'll let ya know as soon > as I shore up plans. 10-4
I have to tell you that S. Florida isn't real pretty right now.
Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 28 Oct 2005 03:30 GMT > I have to tell you that S. Florida isn't real pretty right now. Neither is Don.
South Florida will improve though.
Curtis
Lee Bell - 28 Oct 2005 03:35 GMT >> I have to tell you that S. Florida isn't real pretty right now. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Curtis 8^)
Dillon Pyron - 27 Oct 2005 05:46 GMT >>>>So far, only Curtis has checked in here. >>> [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] >> shithole with hurricanes every year have at it. On a much more important >> note can you tell me if the Speigel Grove is still uprighted? Why the f.ck should you care about shithole diving? Is it that there IS some attraction to Florida for you? Heading down to Key West for the parade?
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Lee Bell - 27 Oct 2005 12:10 GMT > Heading down to Key West for the parade? Delayed until sometime in December.
Lee
chilly - 27 Oct 2005 03:13 GMT Very good to see you back, Lee. I'm glad things turned out reasonably well for you.
Is it still a good time to send that package?
By the way, do you need anything that I could help you and Jayna with?
Lee Bell - 27 Oct 2005 12:07 GMT > Very good to see you back, Lee. I'm glad things turned out reasonably > well > for you.
> Is it still a good time to send that package? Interesting question. The news this morning says that mail service resumes today. Give it a try.
> By the way, do you need anything that I could help you and Jayna with? Thanks, but I doubt it. Right now, we've only got three significant concerns, repair of our cars, electrical power and fuel for the generator and/or cars. You're a bit far to help with any of those.
You guys up north have already done your damage and your post storm help. It was a series of cold fronts from up your way that drove Wilma directly at us. The same cold front, however, made being without power, bearable. It's cool enough that, even with the windows closed (most of mine stay closed thanks to an indoor cat), it's not unbearably hot.
Lee
chilly - 27 Oct 2005 13:30 GMT > > Very good to see you back, Lee. I'm glad things turned out reasonably > > well [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Interesting question. The news this morning says that mail service resumes > today. Give it a try. Will do. There will be 3 now.
> > By the way, do you need anything that I could help you and Jayna with? > > Thanks, but I doubt it. Right now, we've only got three significant > concerns, repair of our cars, electrical power and fuel for the generator > and/or cars. You're a bit far to help with any of those. I figured as much but since I was sending something anyway . . .
> You guys up north have already done your damage and your post storm help. > It was a series of cold fronts from up your way that drove Wilma directly at > us. Really very sorry about that, but we had to do what we could to keep it out of LA and Miss, and this directing of storms is an imprecise technology. We are still working out the kinks.
>The same cold front, however, made being without power, bearable. It's > cool enough that, even with the windows closed (most of mine stay closed > thanks to an indoor cat), it's not unbearably hot. We do what we can, when we can and are always pleased to help. You know that. :^)
In any event, it was good to learn that Dave and the lovely Mrs. T made it through. Have you talked to him lately?
May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves?
Another question, I'm curious as to why your neighbor can't wash her hair? She shouldn't need to boil water for that should she?
You sure are a good neighbor. And in that regard, hh already added something I'd been thinking about. :^)
Grumman-581 - 27 Oct 2005 17:11 GMT > Another question, I'm curious as to why your neighbor can't wash her hair? > She shouldn't need to boil water for that should she? Probably one of those "Oh, the water's too cold to shower" type of people...
I was installing a 1" gas line for a backyard grill the other day and not wanting to turn off gas like I had done previously to install the T-connector, I just removed the plug from the T and screwed the valve into it... I figured that I could do it quick enough that not much gas would escape and I wouldn't have to climb back in the attic, lay down in the fiberglass insulation, and light the pilot light to the water heater... Apparently, all that gas escaping caused the pilot light to go out on the water heater, but I didn't notice it... Well, I noticed it later that night when I got in the shower and the water wouldn't warm up... Reminded me of the Navy days -- quick wetdown, soap up, quick rinse... Everything clean, but no water wasted... Seems that most women would rather just bitch until the water heater was working again...
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 28 Oct 2005 01:56 GMT > I was installing a 1" gas line for a backyard grill the other day and not > wanting to turn off gas like I had done previously to install the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > night > when I got in the shower and the water wouldn't warm up... As a professional gas man, may I laugh? :-)
Curtis
Grumman-581 - 28 Oct 2005 02:52 GMT ""Magilla"" wrote in message news:7He8f.513711$5N3.194702@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> As a professional gas man, may I laugh? :-) About which part? The cold shower or deciding to use a 1" line for a gas grill? I figure that since I have a 1" gas line service, it didn't make any sense to go with a larger line around the house and I wanted to ensure that it was adequate... I figure I should be good for at least 150,000 BTUs -- should be more than enough... I decided to dig the 100 ft of trench myself because I wanted it done *right*... The local contractors around here just put the lines a couple of inches below the ground, use plastic or copper, and then would probably only run a 1/2" line at best... I dug a trench along the perimeter of my foundation about 18" deep to ensure that it was deep enough to stay out of the way of any minor digging...
Of course, after having dug the 100 ft of trench and put the gas line in it, Grace makes a comment that she doesn't think that the grill should be there since it would block her view out of one of the living room windows (if for some strange reason she actually opened the blinds and looked out that window)... Looks like about 27 ft of that trench will be wasted and then on top of that, I'll have to dig another 40 ft -- at least it won't be along the perimeter of the slab, so it'll be *slightly* easier... This damn Texas gumbo clay sucks when you're digging through it... If wet, it won't come off your shovel, if dry, it's like hitting a rock...
chilly - 28 Oct 2005 03:37 GMT > ""Magilla"" wrote in message > news:7He8f.513711$5N3.194702@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > As a professional gas man, may I laugh? :-) (snip)> Grace makes a comment that she doesn't think that the grill should be there
> since it would block her view out of one of the living room windows (if for > some strange reason she actually opened the blinds and looked out that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > gumbo clay sucks when you're digging through it... If wet, it won't come off > your shovel, if dry, it's like hitting a rock... Looks to me like Grace knows how to keep you occupied and out of her hair. ;^)
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 28 Oct 2005 03:49 GMT > About which part? The cold shower or deciding to use a 1" line for a gas > grill? About the live tap starving out the pilot.
1" BBQ line, for a Grumman BBQ, hell, 2" might be what you need.
Did a connection recently where I was sent out to hook up a "BBQ". Double summer kitchen, double kettle burners. Don't recall exactly what the load was right now, but figure 230,000 BTUs is a good guess.
Curtis
Grumman-581 - 28 Oct 2005 04:48 GMT ""Magilla"" wrote in message news:Fkg8f.514203$5N3.30418@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> About the live tap starving out the pilot. Yeah, I knew I was taking a chance on it, but I figured that I had gotten away with it... The water heater is in the attic and I wasn't all that crazy about lying down in the fiberglass *again* to relight it... Hell, I would have had to lie down in it just to *check* it also... I've gotten away with it for smaller taps, but a tap the size of the service just wasn't going to let me get away with it...
> 1" BBQ line, for a Grumman BBQ, hell, 2" might be what you need. Perhaps, but I only have a 1" line coming into the meter, so anything larger wouldn't help much... If I was using LPG, I could probably get away with a 1/4" NPT line since I could run it unregulated... Just like that burner I brought along with me on that dive trip to Florida... The one that we were going to evaluate for appropriateness of BBQing lawyers... Unfortunately, the low pressure of natural gas makes it such that I have to run a larger line... Remember, I'm the one who previously *melted* a cast aluminum grill during an "improvement" attempt...
> Did a connection recently where I was sent out to hook up a "BBQ". > Double summer kitchen, double kettle burners. Don't recall exactly what the > load was right now, but figure 230,000 BTUs is a good guess. Well, I'm building this unit completely from scratch... No prefab grill insert or anything... I'm designing my own burners out of 3/4" pipe with a lot of holes drilled in them... If the flames are too high, I'll either drill larger holes or more of them... Using 1" gate valves for the burner controls... Using 3" angle iron for the perimeter of the lava rock tray with expanded metal for bottom of the tray... There will be at least a 3" deep bed of lava rocks between the grill surface and the burners... The grill surface will be 24" deep by 32" wide... The actual grill will be made from 1/2" solid steel square bars (easy and cheap to replace if they ever rust out)... The thing is designed so that everything is easily replaceable from items at either Home Depot / Lowes or the local metal supply shop...
I'll probably add a sink and sprayer (i.e. fire suppression system)...
-hh - 28 Oct 2005 12:34 GMT > ... Remember, I'm the one who previously *melted* a cast aluminum > grill during an "improvement" attempt... My personal best is a cast iron potbelly stove to light yellow, using only wood.
> I'll probably add a sink and sprayer (i.e. fire suppression system)... Sounds like you have another pipeline to go dig a trench for.
FWIW, I've found that a roto-tiller is a halfway decent trench digger for where most of the work is to bust through lawn sod for that first 6" of depth. The rental places usually have big ones, but they'll cut a big trench ... you can buy a small cheap one (around $100) and because they're small/cheap, they only dig around 8" wide at a time - roughly the same width as what you would end up doing with a standard shovel. Plus, it comes in handy if you have a veggies garden too...
-hh
Limey - 28 Oct 2005 15:06 GMT >> I was installing a 1" gas line for a backyard grill the other day and not >> wanting to turn off gas like I had done previously to install the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > As a professional gas man, may I laugh? :-) I'm not a professional, but I often have some quite impressive gas myself!
Limey.
Lee Bell - 27 Oct 2005 21:41 GMT > In any event, it was good to learn that Dave and the lovely Mrs. T made it
> through. Have you talked to him lately? No, damn it. I keep getting his voice mail.
> May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves? Dave lives in an apartment. It would be nearly impossible for him to prepare the way I did. Apartment mangers tend to frown on generators on the balcony and fuel in the bathroom.
> Another question, I'm curious as to why your neighbor can't wash her hair? > She shouldn't need to boil water for that should she? The water heater is electric.
> You sure are a good neighbor. And in that regard, hh already added > something I'd been thinking about. :^) Uh oh. It's a bit like the gun thing. I believe in being prepared and I believe in helping others in times of crisis. I ask, but do not expect them to return the favor by helping someone else.
Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 28 Oct 2005 01:41 GMT >> May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves? > > Dave lives in an apartment. It would be nearly impossible for him to > prepare the way I did. Apartment mangers tend to frown on generators on > the balcony and fuel in the bathroom. Talked to Dave at 2:00 today, his power had been restored shortly before then.
Curtis
chilly - 28 Oct 2005 03:37 GMT > >> May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Talked to Dave at 2:00 today, his power had been restored shortly before > then. Cool beans.
Rick Simms - 28 Oct 2005 13:53 GMT > Talked to Dave at 2:00 today, his power had been restored shortly before >then. > >Curtis I tried calling him right after I talked to Lee last night and got the voice mail again. If you talk to him again, tell him to give me a ring either at home or the cell.
Rick Simms
Limey - 28 Oct 2005 15:05 GMT >> Talked to Dave at 2:00 today, his power had been restored shortly >> before [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > voice mail again. If you talk to him again, tell him to give me a ring > either at home or the cell. Got yer message this morning. Call ya shortly.
Cheers, Dave.
Rick Simms - 28 Oct 2005 17:24 GMT >>> Talked to Dave at 2:00 today, his power had been restored shortly >>> before [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Cheers, Dave. It was good hearing from you. Glad you and Tati made it thru allright.
Rick Simms
chilly - 28 Oct 2005 03:37 GMT > > through. Have you talked to him lately? > > No, damn it. I keep getting his voice mail. I hope we all hear from him soon.
> > May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves? > > Dave lives in an apartment. It would be nearly impossible for him to > prepare the way I did. Apartment mangers tend to frown on generators on the > balcony and fuel in the bathroom. Yes, I understand.
> > Another question, I'm curious as to why your neighbor can't wash her hair? > > She shouldn't need to boil water for that should she? > > The water heater is electric. So? My point was, can't she wash her hair with cold water?
> > You sure are a good neighbor. And in that regard, hh already added > > something I'd been thinking about. :^) > > Uh oh. It's a bit like the gun thing. I believe in being prepared and I > believe in helping others in times of crisis. I ask, but do not expect them > to return the favor by helping someone else. Yes, and I understand that. Most generous of you. However, if your neighbors are enjoying your largesse and you are running out of gas, it is in their own best interests to help themselves by going and getting gas.
Limey - 28 Oct 2005 15:05 GMT > > In any event, it was good to learn that Dave and the lovely Mrs. T made > it >> through. Have you talked to him lately? > > No, damn it. I keep getting his voice mail. Finally got lots of voice messages this morning. I will call you today Lee. I did try several times over the last few days, but even showing bars for signal, most calls were failing completely or dropping right away. I lost land line even before the power went out. Got power back earlier yesterday and land line later last night. I consider myself very lucky in both departments.
>> May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves? > > Dave lives in an apartment. It would be nearly impossible for him to > prepare the way I did. Apartment mangers tend to frown on generators on > the balcony and fuel in the bathroom. Actually, if I'd wanted to I prolly could've done both. I am one of very few "somewhat usefull" people in my building, and along with the fact that he's prolly afraid to upset me, I *could* get away with a lot. As it is, I have cool neighbors and we all pull together well. We pool food and resources and share one neighbors camp/ cooking facilities. We have hot coffee in the mornings while we're planning a hot dinner and time for later in the day.
Thanks for those who called and/ or were concerned. We are fine, lots of damage to vehicles and flooding in the apartment but the 'puters up (after being soaked) and the entertainment system seems to be working (same). Both things I couldn't afford to replace. Property is secondary, so no worries and happy to have water back and power. Phones are a bonus, I'll be returning calls today. Thanks again, and a very special thank you for Curtis, who called several times and offered to drive down with fuel and supplies. Love ya brother.
LD.
Limey - 28 Oct 2005 16:45 GMT >> > In any event, it was good to learn that Dave and the lovely Mrs. T made >> it [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Thanks again, and a very special thank you for Curtis, who called several > times and offered to drive down with fuel and supplies. Love ya brother. and if anyone is interested; Very early Monday morning the wind was out of the south. I have shutters on the south side and water was blowing under them then percolating up under the sliding glass door. The glass was visibly bowing in and the building, a seven story concrete structure was shaking and making interesting noises. The water also found it's way around the bedroom shutters and through "gaps" (?) in the window frames. Both rooms on the south side took enough water for it to spurt up between yer toes when you stepped on the rugs. A small core of residents who usually stay through the storms park in the back of the building, away from spots that are usually susceptible to tree and debris damage. I have lots of friends with boats and use tools for a living so am usually one of the last to get home from shuttering up and tying down before the storms come. Two of our vehicles were parked close to a wall but not in the sheltered spots. My truck bore the brunt of the falling trees with some minor dings, dents and lots of paint damage. The other car was sheltered behind the truck. The neighbors cars in the more sheltered spots didn't fare so well. When the wind started turning and coming out of the west it picked up the stone/ rock from the roof and pelted the cars below. Out of eleven cars, all had cracked windshields, eight had smashed glass, including rear windows, roof lights and side windows. It was a mess. We were outside in sheltered catwalks at the time watching the storm. I saw a 20 foot section of the 6 foot fence peel away in a gust and land within a foot of the little car, which does not have full insurance and a large part of an Australian pine land on the truck. I put on a helmet and moved both vehicles in what was close to a lull in the winds. Not the smartest move I ever made but we still have useable vehicles because of it. The 3/4 ton truck felt like it was going to be carried away while I was in it. We lost land lines first, then power, then water and sewer. The city pressure was lost and our electric pumps were down so no H2O. Our building has a sewage tank that has electric lift pumps to dump to city sewer. Once the tank had almost filled, we shut off the building's water completely. Monday afternoon I drove up A1A to check on a friend who hadn't shuttered up. He was fine but on the way there, about a half mile north of me there was a 20 plus story building with *every* window in the south side blown out. Near it there were 10-12 cars on their roofs or sides, stacked up in the middle of the road. One of them was a stretch limo and none had any glass. I can only guess a tornado had hit there. Driving since has been a nightmare. I had to run around some to help friends and get supplies for our building. The lines that were down and lack of traffic signals made it difficult, even in the truck. The mentality of people here that have no business being out for any valid reason and the worse than usually sh.t poor standard of drivers in general has made me decide to stay home until things improve. I am in good shape overall now I have water and power. I have tools and do construction for a living. If anybody locally needs help, call me. If you don't have my number drop me a line here. Thanks again to those who've offered help and concern.
Later, LD.
Joe English - 28 Oct 2005 18:43 GMT >>>In any event, it was good to learn that Dave and the lovely Mrs. T made >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and land line later last night. I consider myself very lucky in both > departments. Glad you and everyone else are okay!
Geo - 27 Oct 2005 14:21 GMT > You guys up north have already done your damage and your post storm help. > It was a series of cold fronts from up your way that drove Wilma directly at > us. The same cold front, however, made being without power, bearable. It's > cool enough that, even with the windows closed (most of mine stay closed > thanks to an indoor cat), it's not unbearably hot. In addition to the help pouring in from all over the US, apparently Hydro One (Ontario Hydro) is sending 170 line staff and all their equipment down to help out, third time in just over a year they've done it. Brampton and London are sending people as well.
http://www.hydroone.com/en/media_centre/news_releases/2005_10_25.asp
The strange thing is one convoy of Hydro trucks sat picking their nose at the border for 7 hours yesterday while Homeland Security attempted to find their a.s with both hands.
Unbelievable. I'm sure your neighbors with no power would be thrilled if they knew.
Geo
Grumman-581 - 27 Oct 2005 17:11 GMT > The strange thing is one convoy of Hydro trucks sat picking their nose > at the border for 7 hours yesterday while Homeland Security attempted > to find their a.s with both hands. One would think that they would know where their ears were...
Lee Bell - 27 Oct 2005 21:45 GMT > In addition to the help pouring in from all over the US, apparently > Hydro One (Ontario Hydro) is sending 170 line staff and all their > equipment down to help out, third time in just over a year they've done > it. Brampton and London are sending people as well. It will certainly give them some good training in disaster management. The electrical system down here is seriously damaged. Unlike in most storms, the substations and related equipment were either damaged or filled with so much debris that they don't dare turn them back on. When added to the serious damage to transmission lines, it's not a surprise that recovery will be slow. It is, however, a disappointment.
> The strange thing is one convoy of Hydro trucks sat picking their nose > at the border for 7 hours yesterday while Homeland Security attempted > to find their a.s with both hands. That's no strange. That's how it is these days.
Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 25 Oct 2005 22:46 GMT Lee is okay, but no power or phone (DSL).
Curtis
Scott - 25 Oct 2005 22:49 GMT > Lee is okay, but no power or phone (DSL). Cool.
If you are in contact, tell him Ade and I were starting to worry.
Don - 26 Oct 2005 00:40 GMT >> Lee is okay, but no power or phone (DSL). > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Well said. I was worried as hell. Tell him if he needs any help rebuilding >etc to drop me a line. cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 26 Oct 2005 03:32 GMT > If you are in contact, tell him Ade and I were starting to worry. Made a short contact, I was past starting. He lives 175 miles south of me, and we had some local damage and flooding. He was busy, conversation was unusually brief.
Limey is also "OK", he's without power also, and more.
Keep in mind I said both were ok, but both have losses.
Curtis
Scott - 26 Oct 2005 04:16 GMT > > If you are in contact, tell him Ade and I were starting to worry. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Keep in mind I said both were ok, but both have losses. I gotta say;
I'll take earthquakes and occaisional volcanoes over yearly hurricanes.
Simple math.
Hope that warm water is worth the price.
Grumman-581 - 26 Oct 2005 07:34 GMT > I gotta say; > > I'll take earthquakes and occaisional volcanoes over yearly hurricanes. At least you can see the hurricanes coming... If you're willing to spend a bit extra, you can make a house hurricane and tornado proof... Just takes a whole lot of reinforced concrete...
George Price - 26 Oct 2005 05:02 GMT >> If you are in contact, tell him Ade and I were starting to worry. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Curtis They took a significant hit there from WPB to Ft. Lauderdale.
Pictures can be found at the Palm Beach Post site:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/
Anyone hear from Mike Grey?
George George
Lee Bell - 26 Oct 2005 18:18 GMT > Anyone hear from Mike Grey? I think Curtis did. Mike doesn't have a cell phone and, if his phone is out like everybody else's that might explain it. When Curtis contacted me, I told him to tell Mike I have ice if he can get down here to get it.
Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 26 Oct 2005 21:13 GMT >> Anyone hear from Mike Grey? > > I think Curtis did. Mike doesn't have a cell phone and, if his phone is > out like everybody else's that might explain it. When Curtis contacted > me, I told him to tell Mike I have ice if he can get down here to get it. Mike's also ok, says he did better than many, he faired similiar to you.
Haven't gotten back to him yet, been at work.
Curtis
Al Wells - 27 Oct 2005 00:56 GMT > >> Anyone hear from Mike Grey? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Haven't gotten back to him yet, been at work. Just talked with Mike, all is ok there. He had some minor damage, and is in excellent spirits.
George Price - 28 Oct 2005 01:23 GMT I talked to Lynn at Splashdown today...I think she said they got phone service bad yesterday afernoon? She said the marina was a mess but that they are going out this weekend, so I guess their boat faired well.
George
>> Anyone hear from Mike Grey? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lee Lee Bell - 26 Oct 2005 18:16 GMT >> Lee is okay, but no power or phone (DSL). > > Cool. > > If you are in contact, tell him Ade and I were starting to worry. I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to keep the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm going to get our Cars back on the road.
Lee
Grumman-581 - 26 Oct 2005 19:23 GMT > I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to keep > the generator running until the power's back up In a pinch, you can run 100LL in the generator if it's gasoline powered or Jet-A if it's diesel powered... The aircraft fuel trucks don't rely on electricity, so you should be able to get it... Jayna could probably arrange it easily enough for you... It'll be more expensive than regular gasoline or diesel, but in a pinch, it'll work...
Art Greenberg - 26 Oct 2005 19:54 GMT > I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to > keep the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm > going to get our Cars back on the road. Lee, I know I'm stating the obvious, and maybe you're already doing this, but you don't have to run the generator full time. If your fridge & freezer are reasonably well insulated, and you don't need to go into them too often, you could run it for an hour or so, then leave it off for three. Stretch that fuel supply as far as you can.
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den73740@aol.com - 26 Oct 2005 20:21 GMT > > I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to > > keep the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Art Greenberg > artg AT eclipse (remove this) DOT net I've been running mine about 3 hours a day. 7-10 at night, charge up the laptop, chill the refrigerator and get some evening tv. The cell phone worked fine immediately after the storm, switched to analog/roaming and has now switched back with about 2 bars.
I have a ship that is trying to get me up to Jacksonville TODAY, no rental cars, air flights etc. and we can't get decent communications. When I go I have to empty the refrigerator because there is no power. arrrgh!!!
Other than that, the boats floating, the roof is on, the windows are in and the generator is purring.
Dennis
chilly - 27 Oct 2005 03:13 GMT Good to see you too Dennis.
den73740@aol.com - 26 Oct 2005 20:22 GMT > > I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to > > keep the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Art Greenberg > artg AT eclipse (remove this) DOT net I've been running mine about 3 hours a day. 7-10 at night, charge up the laptop, chill the refrigerator and get some evening tv. The cell phone worked fine immediately after the storm, switched to analog/roaming and has now switched back with about 2 bars.
I have a ship that is trying to get me up to Jacksonville TODAY, no rental cars, air flights etc. and we can't get decent communications. When I go I have to empty the refrigerator because there is no power. arrrgh!!!
Other than that, the boats floating, the roof is on, the windows are in and the generator is purring.
Dennis
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 26 Oct 2005 21:17 GMT > I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to > keep the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm > going to get our Cars back on the road. I'll be back in touch.
Curtis
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 26 Oct 2005 23:11 GMT Scott - 26 Oct 2005 21:31 GMT > >> Lee is okay, but no power or phone (DSL). > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm going > to get our Cars back on the road. Glad to hear you are OK.
You might want to look into one of these:
http://utterpower.com/engines.htm
It will run on diesel, biodeisel or french fry oil.
Get with Bert, he just put one in his place.
Geo - 26 Oct 2005 22:06 GMT > http://utterpower.com/engines.htm Beautiful stuff. DIR generators...
Geo
Scott - 26 Oct 2005 22:12 GMT > > http://utterpower.com/engines.htm > > > Beautiful stuff. DIR generators... Low RPM and I'd bet they are far more economical than a gasoline generator.
dazed and confuzzed - 26 Oct 2005 22:39 GMT >>>http://utterpower.com/engines.htm >> >>Beautiful stuff. DIR generators... > > Low RPM and I'd bet they are far more economical than a gasoline generator. 8.5kw (measured load) (RMS) for a little less than 0.8 gallons of #2diesel per hour. A bit more on corn oil.
It's actually hard to get a continous load of more than 5kw for an hour from my house.
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Geo - 26 Oct 2005 22:46 GMT > 8.5kw (measured load) (RMS) for a little less than 0.8 gallons of > #2diesel per hour. A bit more on corn oil. > > It's actually hard to get a continous load of more than 5kw for an hour > from my house. Which type do you have?
dazed and confuzzed - 27 Oct 2005 00:18 GMT >>8.5kw (measured load) (RMS) for a little less than 0.8 gallons of >>#2diesel per hour. A bit more on corn oil. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Which type do you have? 20 hp lister. 2 cylinder. I run it at 850 RPM (instead of 1000), so it is more like 17 hp.
Note: These are HEAVY and TOPHEAVY. Open flywheels and moving parts which can pinch that are out of place in today's litigious society.
They will run on heated vegetable oil, biodiesel, and of course, diesel.
I'm currently making a system to run on heated vegetable oil using heat from the engine coolant to preheat the WVO.
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Geo - 26 Oct 2005 23:02 GMT > > > http://utterpower.com/engines.htm > > > > > Beautiful stuff. DIR generators... > > Low RPM and I'd bet they are far more economical than a gasoline generator. For off-grid you simply can't beat this kind of solution, preferably coupled with some wind and solar where appropriate. Lasts forever, burns anything and is nearly 100% reliable. What a combo...
Geo
Scott - 26 Oct 2005 23:54 GMT > > Low RPM and I'd bet they are far more economical than a gasoline generator. > > > For off-grid you simply can't beat this kind of solution, preferably > coupled with some wind and solar where appropriate. Lasts forever, > burns anything and is nearly 100% reliable. What a combo... Dont care much for the generator heads from China, but Bert says you can replace the bearings with real parts and get good life out of them.
dazed and confuzzed - 27 Oct 2005 00:21 GMT >>>Low RPM and I'd bet they are far more economical than a gasoline > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Dont care much for the generator heads from China, but Bert says you can > replace the bearings with real parts and get good life out of them. They use standard bearings. Motion industries can hook you up for about $80.
Other than the bearings, the generators are fairly well made.
Best if you replace the bridge rectifier with a modern style.
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Al Wells - 26 Oct 2005 22:17 GMT > > http://utterpower.com/engines.htm > > > Beautiful stuff. DIR generators... More like Heisers, too heavy to be DIR
Scott - 26 Oct 2005 22:23 GMT > > > http://utterpower.com/engines.htm > > > > > Beautiful stuff. DIR generators... > > More like Heisers, too heavy to be DIR Those and the Beauchat 140's are known as "Skuds" (first heard from Digital Dave and Miranda)
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