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anyone heard from the rest of the Forida folks?

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dazed and confuzzed - 25 Oct 2005 12:58 GMT
So far, only Curtis has checked in here.
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Rick Simms - 25 Oct 2005 18:50 GMT
>So far, only Curtis has checked in here.

I was wondering about Lee, Limey Dave & ESG as they were in Wilma's
direct line of travel.

Here's the latest I was able to pull from the Broward Co website on
the damage.

http://bcegov2.broward.org/newsrelease/viewscreen.asp?MessageID=915

Rick Simms
chilly - 25 Oct 2005 19:33 GMT
> >So far, only Curtis has checked in here.
>
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>
> http://bcegov2.broward.org/newsrelease/viewscreen.asp?MessageID=915

:^(
Grumman-581 - 25 Oct 2005 19:53 GMT
> :^(

I received a call from a recruiter the other day wanting to know if I would
be interested in a new contract in south Florida (Tampa or Boca Raton, I
can't remember which)... Let's see... Move from one hurricane target to
another?  Yeah, why not...
Lee Bell - 26 Oct 2005 18:15 GMT
>>So far, only Curtis has checked in here.
>
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> Here's the latest I was able to pull from the Broward Co website on
> the damage.

Phone service came back up this afternoon.  My DSL isn't back up yet, but my
old netcom account is still active.

The screen enclosure for my patio lost most of its screen in a previous
storm.  This one took most of the framework as well.  I now have an open air
bar.  No big deal, I had a contract before the storm for roofing the portion
that used to be covered by screen and for replacing all the framework and
screen.

The hatch of Jayna's Durango took a hit from something heavy.  It's
seriously dented and the rear window is shattered.  I got all the glass
particles up before closing the hatch and now have to start all over again.
The windshield on my car is cracked, but it's still drivable.  I'll worry
about getting it fixed after Jayna's is done.  The avocado in the back yard
split in two.  The remaining half may or may not survive.  It will be a
shame if that tree dies before we got our first avocado from it.  It looks
like the heart is broken out of 5 of the 6 coconut palms in the front yard.
We got some damage to the stainless bows that support the bimini tops on
both the 15 footer and the 32 footer.  It's no big deal.  I can make those
repairs myself.

We are under a boil water order and without power.  That's an interesting
combination for most.  FEMA f.cked up again.  Trucks with ice and water sat
in Palm Beach County for two days because nobody told them where to go.
Each of the advertised delivery points turned out not to be delivery points
at all, at least that's what people were told after a day and night of
waiting in lines.  The first supplies were delivered late last night.  One
bag of ice and one flat of bottled water per person.  The excuse, this time,
is that telephone communications aren't working well and the trucks didn't
have fuel to deliver supplies.  Now, I don't want to be too hard on people,
but somehow I think that both factors were reasonably predictable.

Unlike, apparently, everybody else, I was somewhat prepared.  The 50 gallons
of fuel I stocked for my generator was funny before the storm.  Nobody's
laughing now.  Thanks to the generator, the food in my refrigerator and
freezer is safe and my ice maker is cranking out ice as fast as it can.  So
far, I'm the only source of ice for most of my friends and neighbors.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, has any idea about food distribution.

Originally, all cell services except Sprint, went out late Monday.  Some are
back up, some aren't.  As I mentioned, my regular phone service came back up
a few minutes ago.  Power went out about 7:00 AM on Monday and is predicted
to remain out, for some residents, for as long as 6 weeks.  I don't have
that much fuel.  Fuel is my biggest problem right now.  Because the power is
out all over the place, gas stations can't pump gas.  The few that have
generators, also have lines miles long and are limiting customer purchases
to 20 bucks.  You don't get much gas for $20 these days.  If I don't get
power back first, I'll have to get in the lines too.  With a little luck,
the lines will have diminished a bit and I won't be so limited that my
generator burns more gas while I'm in line than I am allowed to purchase
when I'm through the line.

Speaking of gas and gas prices, a local gas station was selling gas for
$2.55 a gallon and making a profit.  As stated by the local news service, if
one can do it, others can too.  Their claims that their costs force higher
prices are, simply put, lies.  Jeb Bush still hasn't done a damned thing
about it.  Imagine that.  You'd think the Bush family was in bed with the
oil companies . . . oh yeah, they are.

So, all things told, we made out OK . . . so far.

Lee
ben bradlee - 26 Oct 2005 18:38 GMT
>>>So far, only Curtis has checked in here.
>>
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>
> Lee

It's not a good time to drop by for a visit?
Don - 26 Oct 2005 22:56 GMT
>>>So far, only Curtis has checked in here.
>>
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> shithole with hurricanes every year have at it. On a much more important
> note can you tell me if the Speigel Grove is still uprighted?
Doug Frederick - 27 Oct 2005 05:19 GMT
>> I don't much give a f.ck about your predicament. If you want to live in a
>> shithole with hurricanes every year have at it. On a much more important
>> note can you tell me if the Speigel Grove is still uprighted?

 I heard it sailed up your a.s, turned around, and came back out.

 Funny you didn't notice.

 Or not.
Lee Bell - 27 Oct 2005 12:09 GMT
"Don" wrote

> I don't much give a f.ck about your predicament. If you want to live in a
> shithole with hurricanes every year have at it. On a much more important
> note can you tell me if the Speigel Grove is still uprighted?

I don't know.  Why don't you stop down and check it out for us.  Let me know
when you'll arrive, won't you?

Lee
Don - 28 Oct 2005 03:04 GMT
> "Don" wrote
>
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>
> Lee

Unfortunately I may have to come down next week. I'll let ya know as soon as
I shore up plans.
dazed and confuzzed - 28 Oct 2005 03:22 GMT
>>"Don" wrote
>>
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> Unfortunately I may have to come down next week. I'll let ya know as soon as
> I shore up plans.

$10  on Lee.

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Grumman-581 - 28 Oct 2005 03:30 GMT
> $10  on Lee.

$20 on the gator...
Lee Bell - 28 Oct 2005 03:36 GMT
>> $10  on Lee.
>
> $20 on the gator...

Glad you mentioned that.  I'll have to look around to see how much the storm
affected the gators.

Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 28 Oct 2005 03:59 GMT
> Glad you mentioned that.  I'll have to look around to see how much the
> storm affected the gators.

   Reminds me of a cartoon of a couple of gators feasting on a couple of
tourists, next to a Caddy with New York plates.

   Caption was "Mmmmmm, tastes just like chickens."

Curtis
Lee Bell - 28 Oct 2005 03:27 GMT
> Unfortunately I may have to come down next week. I'll let ya know as soon
> as I shore up plans.

10-4

I have to tell you that S. Florida isn't real pretty right now.

Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 28 Oct 2005 03:30 GMT
> I have to tell you that S. Florida isn't real pretty right now.

   Neither is Don.

   South Florida will improve though.

Curtis
Lee Bell - 28 Oct 2005 03:35 GMT
>> I have to tell you that S. Florida isn't real pretty right now.
>
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>
> Curtis

8^)
Dillon Pyron - 27 Oct 2005 05:46 GMT
>>>>So far, only Curtis has checked in here.
>>>
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>> shithole with hurricanes every year have at it. On a much more important
>> note can you tell me if the Speigel Grove is still uprighted?

Why the f.ck should you care about shithole diving?  Is it that there
IS some attraction to Florida for you?  Heading down to Key West for
the parade?
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Anyone who says grown men don't cry has never
taken a differential equations final.

Lee Bell - 27 Oct 2005 12:10 GMT
> Heading down to Key West for the parade?

Delayed until sometime in December.

Lee
chilly - 27 Oct 2005 03:13 GMT
Very good to see you back, Lee.  I'm glad things turned out reasonably well
for you.

Is it still a good time to send that package?

By the way, do you need anything that I could help you and Jayna with?
Lee Bell - 27 Oct 2005 12:07 GMT
> Very good to see you back, Lee.  I'm glad things turned out reasonably
> well
> for you.

> Is it still a good time to send that package?

Interesting question.  The news this morning says that mail service resumes
today.  Give it a try.

> By the way, do you need anything that I could help you and Jayna with?

Thanks, but I doubt it.  Right now, we've only got three significant
concerns, repair of our cars, electrical power and fuel for the generator
and/or cars.  You're a bit far to help with any of those.

You guys up north have already done your damage and your post storm help.
It was a series of cold fronts from up your way that drove Wilma directly at
us.  The same cold front, however, made being without power, bearable.  It's
cool enough that, even with the windows closed (most of mine stay closed
thanks to an indoor cat), it's not unbearably hot.

Lee
chilly - 27 Oct 2005 13:30 GMT
> > Very good to see you back, Lee.  I'm glad things turned out reasonably
> > well
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> Interesting question.  The news this morning says that mail service resumes
> today.  Give it a try.

Will do.  There will be 3 now.

> > By the way, do you need anything that I could help you and Jayna with?
>
> Thanks, but I doubt it.  Right now, we've only got three significant
> concerns, repair of our cars, electrical power and fuel for the generator
> and/or cars.  You're a bit far to help with any of those.

I figured as much but since I was sending something anyway . . .

> You guys up north have already done your damage and your post storm help.
> It was a series of cold fronts from up your way that drove Wilma directly at
> us.

Really very sorry about that, but we had to do what we could to keep it out
of LA and Miss, and this directing of storms is an imprecise technology.  We
are still working out the kinks.

>The same cold front, however, made being without power, bearable.  It's
> cool enough that, even with the windows closed (most of mine stay closed
> thanks to an indoor cat), it's not unbearably hot.

We do what we can, when we can and are always pleased to help.  You know
that. :^)

In any event, it was good to learn that Dave and the lovely Mrs. T made it
through.  Have you talked to him lately?

May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves?

Another question, I'm curious as to why your neighbor can't wash her hair?
She shouldn't need to boil water for that should she?

You sure are a good neighbor.  And in that regard, hh already added
something I'd been thinking about.  :^)
Grumman-581 - 27 Oct 2005 17:11 GMT
> Another question, I'm curious as to why your neighbor can't wash her hair?
> She shouldn't need to boil water for that should she?

Probably one of those "Oh, the water's too cold to shower" type of people...

I was installing a 1" gas line for a backyard grill the other day and not
wanting to turn off gas like I had done previously to install the
T-connector, I just removed the plug from the T and screwed the valve into
it... I figured that I could do it quick enough that not much gas would
escape and I wouldn't have to climb back in the attic, lay down in the
fiberglass insulation, and light the pilot light to the water heater...
Apparently, all that gas escaping caused the pilot light to go out on the
water heater, but I didn't notice it... Well, I noticed it later that night
when I got in the shower and the water wouldn't warm up... Reminded me of
the Navy days -- quick wetdown, soap up, quick rinse... Everything clean,
but no water wasted... Seems that most women would rather just bitch until
the water heater was working again...
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 28 Oct 2005 01:56 GMT
> I was installing a 1" gas line for a backyard grill the other day and not
> wanting to turn off gas like I had done previously to install the
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> night
> when I got in the shower and the water wouldn't warm up...

   As a professional gas man, may I laugh?   :-)

Curtis
Grumman-581 - 28 Oct 2005 02:52 GMT
""Magilla"" wrote in message
news:7He8f.513711$5N3.194702@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> As a professional gas man, may I laugh?   :-)

About which part?  The cold shower or deciding to use a 1" line for a gas
grill?  I figure that since I have a 1" gas line service, it didn't make any
sense to go with a larger line around the house and I wanted to ensure that
it was adequate... I figure I should be good for at least 150,000 BTUs --
should be more than enough... I decided to dig the 100 ft of trench myself
because I wanted it done *right*... The local contractors around here just
put the lines a couple of inches below the ground, use plastic or copper,
and then would probably only run a 1/2" line at best... I dug a trench along
the perimeter of my foundation about 18" deep to ensure that it was deep
enough to stay out of the way of any minor digging...

Of course, after having dug the 100 ft of trench and put the gas line in it,
Grace makes a comment that she doesn't think that the grill should be there
since it would block her view out of one of the living room windows (if for
some strange reason she actually opened the blinds and looked out that
window)... Looks like about 27 ft of that trench will be wasted and then on
top of that, I'll have to dig another 40 ft -- at least it won't be along
the perimeter of the slab, so it'll be *slightly* easier... This damn Texas
gumbo clay sucks when you're digging through it... If wet, it won't come off
your shovel, if dry, it's like hitting a rock...
chilly - 28 Oct 2005 03:37 GMT
> ""Magilla"" wrote in message
> news:7He8f.513711$5N3.194702@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > As a professional gas man, may I laugh?   :-)

(snip)> Grace makes a comment that she doesn't think that the grill should
be there
> since it would block her view out of one of the living room windows (if for
> some strange reason she actually opened the blinds and looked out that
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> gumbo clay sucks when you're digging through it... If wet, it won't come off
> your shovel, if dry, it's like hitting a rock...

Looks to me like Grace knows how to keep you occupied and out of her hair.
;^)
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 28 Oct 2005 03:49 GMT
> About which part?  The cold shower or deciding to use a 1" line for a gas
> grill?

   About the live tap starving out the pilot.

   1" BBQ line, for a Grumman BBQ, hell, 2" might be what you need.

   Did a connection recently where I was sent out to hook up a "BBQ".
Double summer kitchen, double kettle burners.  Don't recall exactly what the
load was right now, but figure 230,000 BTUs is a good guess.

Curtis
Grumman-581 - 28 Oct 2005 04:48 GMT
""Magilla"" wrote in message
news:Fkg8f.514203$5N3.30418@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> About the live tap starving out the pilot.

Yeah, I knew I was taking a chance on it, but I figured that I had gotten
away with it... The water heater is in the attic and I wasn't all that crazy
about lying down in the fiberglass *again* to relight it... Hell, I would
have had to lie down in it just to *check* it also... I've gotten away with
it for smaller taps, but a tap the size of the service just wasn't going to
let me get away with it...

> 1" BBQ line, for a Grumman BBQ, hell, 2" might be what you need.

Perhaps, but I only have a 1" line coming into the meter, so anything larger
wouldn't help much... If I was using LPG, I could probably get away with a
1/4" NPT line since I could run it unregulated... Just like that burner I
brought along with me on that dive trip to Florida... The one that we were
going to evaluate for appropriateness of BBQing lawyers... Unfortunately,
the low pressure of natural gas makes it such that I have to run a larger
line... Remember, I'm the one who previously *melted* a cast aluminum grill
during an "improvement" attempt...

> Did a connection recently where I was sent out to hook up a "BBQ".
> Double summer kitchen, double kettle burners.  Don't recall exactly what the
> load was right now, but figure 230,000 BTUs is a good guess.

Well, I'm building this unit completely from scratch... No prefab grill
insert or anything... I'm designing my own burners out of 3/4" pipe with a
lot of holes drilled in them... If the flames are too high, I'll either
drill larger holes or more of them... Using 1" gate valves for the burner
controls... Using 3" angle iron for the perimeter of the lava rock tray with
expanded metal for bottom of the tray... There will be at least a 3" deep
bed of lava rocks between the grill surface and the burners... The grill
surface will be 24" deep by 32" wide... The actual grill will be made from
1/2" solid steel square bars (easy and cheap to replace if they ever rust
out)... The thing is designed so that everything is easily replaceable from
items at either Home Depot / Lowes or the local metal supply shop...

I'll probably add a sink and sprayer (i.e. fire suppression system)...
-hh - 28 Oct 2005 12:34 GMT
> ... Remember, I'm the one who previously *melted* a cast aluminum
> grill during an "improvement" attempt...

My personal best is a cast iron potbelly stove to light yellow, using
only wood.

> I'll probably add a sink and sprayer (i.e. fire suppression system)...

Sounds like you have another pipeline to go dig a trench for.  

FWIW, I've found that a roto-tiller is a halfway decent trench digger
for where most of the work is to bust through lawn sod for that first 6"
of depth.  The rental places usually have big ones, but they'll cut a
big trench ... you can buy a small cheap one (around $100) and because
they're small/cheap, they only dig around 8" wide at a time - roughly
the same width as what you would end up doing with a standard shovel.  
Plus, it comes in handy if you have a veggies garden too...

-hh
Limey - 28 Oct 2005 15:06 GMT
>> I was installing a 1" gas line for a backyard grill the other day and not
>> wanting to turn off gas like I had done previously to install the
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>
>    As a professional gas man, may I laugh?   :-)

I'm not a professional, but I often have some quite impressive gas myself!

Limey.
Lee Bell - 27 Oct 2005 21:41 GMT
> In any event, it was good to learn that Dave and the lovely Mrs. T made
it
> through.  Have you talked to him lately?

No, damn it.  I keep getting his voice mail.

> May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves?

Dave lives in an apartment.  It would be nearly impossible for him to
prepare the way I did.  Apartment mangers tend to frown on generators on the
balcony and fuel in the bathroom.

> Another question, I'm curious as to why your neighbor can't wash her hair?
> She shouldn't need to boil water for that should she?

The water heater is electric.

> You sure are a good neighbor.  And in that regard, hh already added
> something I'd been thinking about.  :^)

Uh oh.  It's a bit like the gun thing.  I believe in being prepared and I
believe in helping others in times of crisis.  I ask, but do not expect them
to return the favor by helping someone else.

Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 28 Oct 2005 01:41 GMT
>> May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves?
>
> Dave lives in an apartment.  It would be nearly impossible for him to
> prepare the way I did.  Apartment mangers tend to frown on generators on
> the balcony and fuel in the bathroom.

  Talked to Dave at 2:00 today, his power had been restored shortly before
then.

Curtis
chilly - 28 Oct 2005 03:37 GMT
> >> May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves?
> >
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>    Talked to Dave at 2:00 today, his power had been restored shortly before
> then.

Cool beans.
Rick Simms - 28 Oct 2005 13:53 GMT
>   Talked to Dave at 2:00 today, his power had been restored shortly before
>then.
>
>Curtis

I tried calling him right after I talked to Lee last night and got the
voice mail again. If you talk to him again, tell him to give me a ring
either at home or the cell.

Rick Simms
Limey - 28 Oct 2005 15:05 GMT
>>   Talked to Dave at 2:00 today, his power had been restored shortly
>> before
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> voice mail again. If you talk to him again, tell him to give me a ring
> either at home or the cell.

Got yer message this morning. Call ya shortly.

Cheers, Dave.
Rick Simms - 28 Oct 2005 17:24 GMT
>>>   Talked to Dave at 2:00 today, his power had been restored shortly
>>> before
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Cheers, Dave.

It was good hearing from you. Glad you and Tati made it thru allright.

Rick Simms
chilly - 28 Oct 2005 03:37 GMT
> > through.  Have you talked to him lately?
>
> No, damn it.  I keep getting his voice mail.

I hope we all hear from him soon.

> > May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves?
>
> Dave lives in an apartment.  It would be nearly impossible for him to
> prepare the way I did.  Apartment mangers tend to frown on generators on the
> balcony and fuel in the bathroom.

Yes, I understand.

> > Another question, I'm curious as to why your neighbor can't wash her hair?
> > She shouldn't need to boil water for that should she?
>
> The water heater is electric.

So?  My point was, can't she wash her hair with cold water?

> > You sure are a good neighbor.  And in that regard, hh already added
> > something I'd been thinking about.  :^)
>
> Uh oh.  It's a bit like the gun thing.  I believe in being prepared and I
> believe in helping others in times of crisis.  I ask, but do not expect them
> to return the favor by helping someone else.

Yes, and I understand that.  Most generous of you.  However, if your
neighbors are enjoying your largesse and you are running out of gas, it is
in their own best interests to help themselves by going and getting gas.
Limey - 28 Oct 2005 15:05 GMT
> > In any event, it was good to learn that Dave and the lovely Mrs. T made
> it
>> through.  Have you talked to him lately?
>
> No, damn it.  I keep getting his voice mail.

Finally got lots of voice messages this morning. I will call you today Lee.
I did try several times over the last few days, but even showing bars for
signal, most calls were failing completely or dropping right away. I lost
land line even before the power went out. Got power back earlier yesterday
and land line later last night. I consider myself very lucky in both
departments.

>> May we hope that he was as prepared as yourselves?
>
> Dave lives in an apartment.  It would be nearly impossible for him to
> prepare the way I did.  Apartment mangers tend to frown on generators on
> the balcony and fuel in the bathroom.

Actually, if I'd wanted to I prolly could've done both. I am one of very few
"somewhat usefull" people in my building, and along with the fact that he's
prolly afraid to upset me, I *could* get away with a lot.
As it is, I have cool neighbors and we all pull together well. We pool food
and resources and share one neighbors camp/ cooking facilities. We have hot
coffee in the mornings while we're planning a hot dinner and time for later
in the day.

Thanks for those who called and/ or were concerned. We are fine, lots of
damage to vehicles and flooding in the apartment but the 'puters up (after
being soaked) and the entertainment system seems to be working (same). Both
things I couldn't afford to replace. Property is secondary, so no worries
and happy to have water back and power. Phones are a bonus, I'll be
returning calls today.
Thanks again, and a very special thank you for Curtis, who called several
times and offered to drive down with fuel and supplies. Love ya brother.

LD.
Limey - 28 Oct 2005 16:45 GMT
>> > In any event, it was good to learn that Dave and the lovely Mrs. T made
>> it
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> Thanks again, and a very special thank you for Curtis, who called several
> times and offered to drive down with fuel and supplies. Love ya brother.

and if anyone is interested;
Very early Monday morning the wind was out of the south. I have shutters on
the south side and water was blowing under them then percolating up under
the sliding glass door. The glass was visibly bowing in and the building, a
seven story concrete structure was shaking and making interesting noises.
The water also found it's way around the bedroom shutters and through "gaps"
(?) in the window frames. Both rooms on the south side took enough water for
it to spurt up between yer toes when you stepped on the rugs.
A small core of residents who usually stay through the storms park in the
back of the building, away from spots that are usually susceptible to tree
and debris damage. I have lots of friends with boats and use tools for a
living so am usually one of the last to get home from shuttering up and
tying down before the storms come. Two of our vehicles were parked close to
a wall but not in the sheltered spots. My truck bore the brunt of the
falling trees with some minor dings, dents and lots of paint damage. The
other car was sheltered behind the truck. The neighbors cars in the more
sheltered spots didn't fare so well. When the wind started turning and
coming out of the west it picked up the stone/ rock from the roof and pelted
the cars below. Out of eleven cars, all had cracked windshields, eight had
smashed glass, including rear windows, roof lights and side windows. It was
a mess. We were outside in sheltered catwalks at the time watching the
storm. I saw a 20 foot section of the 6 foot fence peel away in a gust and
land within a foot of the little car, which does not have full insurance and
a large part of an Australian pine land on the truck. I put on a helmet and
moved both vehicles in what was close to a lull in the winds. Not the
smartest move I ever made but we still have useable vehicles because of it.
The 3/4 ton truck felt like it was going to be carried away while I was in
it. We lost land lines first, then power, then water and sewer. The city
pressure was lost and our electric pumps were down so no H2O. Our building
has a sewage tank that has electric lift pumps to dump to city sewer. Once
the tank had almost filled, we shut off the building's water completely.
Monday afternoon I drove up A1A to check on a friend who hadn't shuttered
up. He was fine but on the way there, about a half mile north of me there
was a 20 plus story building with *every* window in the south side blown
out. Near it there were 10-12 cars on their roofs or sides, stacked up in
the middle of the road. One of them was a stretch limo and none had any
glass. I can only guess a tornado had hit there.
Driving since has been a nightmare. I had to run around some to help friends
and get supplies for our building. The lines that were down and lack of
traffic signals made it difficult, even in the truck. The mentality of
people here that have no business being out for any valid reason and the
worse than usually sh.t poor standard of drivers in general has made me
decide to stay home until things improve. I am in good shape overall now I
have water and power.
I have tools and do construction for a living. If anybody locally needs
help, call me. If you don't have my number drop me a line here.
Thanks again to those who've offered help and concern.

Later, LD.
Joe English - 28 Oct 2005 18:43 GMT
>>>In any event, it was good to learn that Dave and the lovely Mrs. T made
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> and land line later last night. I consider myself very lucky in both
> departments.

Glad you and everyone else are okay!
Geo - 27 Oct 2005 14:21 GMT
> You guys up north have already done your damage and your post storm help.
> It was a series of cold fronts from up your way that drove Wilma directly at
> us.  The same cold front, however, made being without power, bearable.  It's
> cool enough that, even with the windows closed (most of mine stay closed
> thanks to an indoor cat), it's not unbearably hot.

In addition to the help pouring in from all over the US, apparently
Hydro One (Ontario Hydro) is sending 170 line staff and all their
equipment down to help out, third time in just over a year they've done
it. Brampton and London are sending people as well.

http://www.hydroone.com/en/media_centre/news_releases/2005_10_25.asp

The strange thing is one convoy of Hydro trucks sat picking their nose
at the border for 7 hours yesterday while Homeland Security attempted
to find their a.s with both hands.

Unbelievable. I'm sure your neighbors with no power would be thrilled
if they knew.

Geo
Grumman-581 - 27 Oct 2005 17:11 GMT
> The strange thing is one convoy of Hydro trucks sat picking their nose
> at the border for 7 hours yesterday while Homeland Security attempted
> to find their a.s with both hands.

One would think that they would know where their ears were...
Lee Bell - 27 Oct 2005 21:45 GMT
> In addition to the help pouring in from all over the US, apparently
> Hydro One (Ontario Hydro) is sending 170 line staff and all their
> equipment down to help out, third time in just over a year they've done
> it. Brampton and London are sending people as well.

It will certainly give them some good training in disaster management.  The
electrical system down here is seriously damaged.  Unlike in most storms,
the substations and related equipment were either damaged or filled with so
much debris that they don't dare turn them back on.  When added to the
serious damage to transmission lines, it's not a surprise that recovery will
be slow.  It is, however, a disappointment.

> The strange thing is one convoy of Hydro trucks sat picking their nose
> at the border for 7 hours yesterday while Homeland Security attempted
> to find their a.s with both hands.

That's no strange.  That's how it is these days.

Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 25 Oct 2005 22:46 GMT
Lee is okay, but no power or phone (DSL).

Curtis
Scott - 25 Oct 2005 22:49 GMT
> Lee is okay, but no power or phone (DSL).

Cool.

If you are in contact, tell him Ade and I were starting to worry.
Don - 26 Oct 2005 00:40 GMT
>> Lee is okay, but no power or phone (DSL).
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Well said. I was worried as hell. Tell him if he needs any help rebuilding
>etc to drop me a line.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 26 Oct 2005 03:32 GMT
> If you are in contact, tell him Ade and I were starting to worry.

   Made a short contact, I was past starting.  He lives 175 miles south of
me, and we had some local damage and flooding.  He was busy, conversation
was unusually brief.

   Limey is also "OK", he's without power also, and more.

   Keep in mind I said both were ok, but both have losses.

Curtis


Scott - 26 Oct 2005 04:16 GMT
> > If you are in contact, tell him Ade and I were starting to worry.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>     Keep in mind I said both were ok, but both have losses.

I gotta say;

I'll take earthquakes and occaisional volcanoes over yearly hurricanes.

Simple math.

Hope that warm water is worth the price.
Grumman-581 - 26 Oct 2005 07:34 GMT
> I gotta say;
>
> I'll take earthquakes and occaisional volcanoes over yearly hurricanes.

At least you can see the hurricanes coming... If you're willing to spend a
bit extra, you can make a house hurricane and tornado proof... Just takes a
whole lot of reinforced concrete...
George Price - 26 Oct 2005 05:02 GMT
>> If you are in contact, tell him Ade and I were starting to worry.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Curtis

They took a significant hit there from WPB to Ft. Lauderdale.

Pictures can be found at the Palm Beach Post site:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/

Anyone hear from Mike Grey?

George
George
Lee Bell - 26 Oct 2005 18:18 GMT
> Anyone hear from Mike Grey?

I think Curtis did.  Mike doesn't have a cell phone and, if his phone is out
like everybody else's that might explain it.  When Curtis contacted me, I
told him to tell Mike I have ice if he can get down here to get it.

Lee
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 26 Oct 2005 21:13 GMT
>> Anyone hear from Mike Grey?
>
> I think Curtis did.  Mike doesn't have a cell phone and, if his phone is
> out like everybody else's that might explain it.  When Curtis contacted
> me, I told him to tell Mike I have ice if he can get down here to get it.

   Mike's also ok, says he did better than many, he faired similiar to you.

   Haven't gotten back to him yet, been at work.

Curtis
Al Wells - 27 Oct 2005 00:56 GMT
> >> Anyone hear from Mike Grey?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>     Haven't gotten back to him yet, been at work.

Just talked with Mike, all is ok there. He had some minor damage, and is
in excellent spirits.
George Price - 28 Oct 2005 01:23 GMT
I talked to Lynn at Splashdown today...I think she said they got phone
service bad yesterday afernoon?  She said the marina was a mess but that
they are going out this weekend, so I guess their boat faired well.

George
>> Anyone hear from Mike Grey?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Lee
Lee Bell - 26 Oct 2005 18:16 GMT
>> Lee is okay, but no power or phone (DSL).
>
> Cool.
>
> If you are in contact, tell him Ade and I were starting to worry.

I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to keep
the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm going
to get our Cars back on the road.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 26 Oct 2005 19:23 GMT
> I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to keep
> the generator running until the power's back up

In a pinch, you can run 100LL in the generator if it's gasoline powered or
Jet-A if it's diesel powered... The aircraft fuel trucks don't rely on
electricity, so you should be able to get it... Jayna could probably arrange
it easily enough for you... It'll be more expensive than regular gasoline or
diesel, but in a pinch, it'll work...
Art Greenberg - 26 Oct 2005 19:54 GMT
>  I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to
>  keep the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm
>  going to get our Cars back on the road.

Lee, I know I'm stating the obvious, and maybe you're already doing this, but
you don't have to run the generator full time. If your fridge & freezer are
reasonably well insulated, and you don't need to go into them too often, you
could run it for an hour or so, then leave it off for three. Stretch that fuel
supply as far as you can.

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den73740@aol.com - 26 Oct 2005 20:21 GMT
> >  I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to
> >  keep the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Art Greenberg
> artg AT eclipse (remove this) DOT net

I've been running mine about 3 hours a day. 7-10 at night, charge up
the laptop, chill the refrigerator and get some evening tv. The cell
phone worked fine immediately after the storm, switched to
analog/roaming and has now switched back with about 2 bars.

I have a ship that is trying to get me up to Jacksonville TODAY, no
rental cars, air flights etc. and we can't get decent communications.
When I go I have to empty the refrigerator because there is no power.
arrrgh!!!

Other than that, the boats floating, the roof is on, the windows are in
and the generator is purring.

Dennis
chilly - 27 Oct 2005 03:13 GMT
Good to see you too Dennis.
den73740@aol.com - 26 Oct 2005 20:22 GMT
> >  I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to
> >  keep the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Art Greenberg
> artg AT eclipse (remove this) DOT net

I've been running mine about 3 hours a day. 7-10 at night, charge up
the laptop, chill the refrigerator and get some evening tv. The cell
phone worked fine immediately after the storm, switched to
analog/roaming and has now switched back with about 2 bars.

I have a ship that is trying to get me up to Jacksonville TODAY, no
rental cars, air flights etc. and we can't get decent communications.
When I go I have to empty the refrigerator because there is no power.
arrrgh!!!

Other than that, the boats floating, the roof is on, the windows are in
and the generator is purring.

Dennis
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 26 Oct 2005 21:17 GMT
> I'm still worried, but only about whether I'll have/find enough fuel to
> keep the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm
> going to get our Cars back on the road.

   I'll be back in touch.

Curtis
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 26 Oct 2005 23:11 GMT
   Power!!!

Curtis


Scott - 26 Oct 2005 21:31 GMT
> >> Lee is okay, but no power or phone (DSL).
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> the generator running until the power's back up and how and when I'm going
> to get our Cars back on the road.

Glad to hear you are OK.

You might want to look into one of these:

http://utterpower.com/engines.htm

It will run on diesel, biodeisel or french fry oil.

Get with Bert, he just put one in his place.
Geo - 26 Oct 2005 22:06 GMT
> http://utterpower.com/engines.htm

Beautiful stuff. DIR generators...

Geo
Scott - 26 Oct 2005 22:12 GMT
> > http://utterpower.com/engines.htm
> >
> Beautiful stuff. DIR generators...

Low RPM and I'd bet they are far more economical than a gasoline generator.
dazed and confuzzed - 26 Oct 2005 22:39 GMT
>>>http://utterpower.com/engines.htm
>>
>>Beautiful stuff. DIR generators...
>
> Low RPM and I'd bet they are far more economical than a gasoline generator.

8.5kw (measured load) (RMS) for a little less than 0.8 gallons of
#2diesel per hour. A bit more on corn oil.

It's actually hard to get a continous load of more than 5kw for an hour
from my house.

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Geo - 26 Oct 2005 22:46 GMT
> 8.5kw (measured load) (RMS) for a little less than 0.8 gallons of
> #2diesel per hour. A bit more on corn oil.
>
> It's actually hard to get a continous load of more than 5kw for an hour
> from my house.

Which type do you have?
dazed and confuzzed - 27 Oct 2005 00:18 GMT
>>8.5kw (measured load) (RMS) for a little less than 0.8 gallons of
>>#2diesel per hour. A bit more on corn oil.
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>
> Which type do you have?

20 hp lister. 2 cylinder. I run it at 850 RPM (instead of 1000), so it
is more like 17 hp.

Note: These are HEAVY and TOPHEAVY. Open flywheels and moving parts
which can pinch that are out of place in today's litigious society.

They will run on heated vegetable oil, biodiesel, and of course, diesel.

I'm currently making a system to run on heated vegetable oil using heat
from the engine coolant to preheat the WVO.

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Geo - 26 Oct 2005 23:02 GMT
> > > http://utterpower.com/engines.htm
> > >
> > Beautiful stuff. DIR generators...
>
> Low RPM and I'd bet they are far more economical than a gasoline generator.

For off-grid you simply can't beat this kind of solution, preferably
coupled with some wind and solar where appropriate. Lasts forever,
burns anything and is nearly 100% reliable. What a combo...

Geo
Scott - 26 Oct 2005 23:54 GMT
> > Low RPM and I'd bet they are far more economical than a gasoline generator.
> >
> For off-grid you simply can't beat this kind of solution, preferably
> coupled with some wind and solar where appropriate. Lasts forever,
> burns anything and is nearly 100% reliable. What a combo...

Dont care much for the generator heads from China, but Bert says you can
replace the bearings with real parts and get good life out of them.
dazed and confuzzed - 27 Oct 2005 00:21 GMT
>>>Low RPM and I'd bet they are far more economical than a gasoline
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Dont care much for the generator heads from China, but Bert says you can
> replace the bearings with real parts and get good life out of them.

They use standard bearings. Motion industries can hook you up for about $80.

Other than the bearings, the generators are fairly well made.

Best if you replace the bridge rectifier with a modern style.

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Al Wells - 26 Oct 2005 22:17 GMT
> > http://utterpower.com/engines.htm
> >
> Beautiful stuff. DIR generators...

More like Heisers, too heavy to be DIR
Scott - 26 Oct 2005 22:23 GMT
> > > http://utterpower.com/engines.htm
> > >
> > Beautiful stuff. DIR generators...
>
> More like Heisers, too heavy to be DIR

Those and the Beauchat 140's are known as "Skuds" (first heard from Digital
Dave and Miranda)
 
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