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Scuba Forum / General / October 2005Old Dive Log: Win 3.1
I found an old floppy with about 25 dives on it IIRC. It was saved in a shareware program named DIVELOG for Windows 3.1 I have long since disposed of the computer which had the program on it and although I did have the name of the producer of the program, I can't contact him ( it's only been 13 years or so) Any ideas how to open this disk ? R >I found an old floppy with about 25 dives on it IIRC. It was saved in a >shareware program named DIVELOG for Windows 3.1 > I have long since disposed of the computer which had the program on it and > although I did have the name of the producer of the program, I can't > contact him ( it's only been 13 years or so) > Any ideas how to open this disk ? Yes. Slide open the metal "thingy". The part of the seam that's thus revealed isn't sealed as tight as the rest of the disk and you should be able to get a fingernail in there. Replace fingernail with edge of flathead screwdriver and twist. > Any ideas how to open this disk ? Pocket knife? Seriously though, that's one of the problems with using 3rd party software... If the company was still in business, you might still be out of luck since they might have changed the format on the current version of their software... Back on my Navy contract with Lockheed, I had a machine that had 3 or 4 different versions of Visio installed on it since each version would only read the current version and the previous version of the files... Hell, even if you had the original disk for the software, you still might be out of luck since it might not run under a current version of Windoze... >> Any ideas how to open this disk ? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > might be out of luck since it might not run under a current version of > Windoze... It's also a problem with keeping your scuba log on a computer. It's a solution to a problem that does not exist. In some places you need to show a log to be able to dive, and I don't think a computer printout would do it. Adam > In some places you need to show a log to be able to dive, and I don't think a > computer printout would do it. Adam, have you ever experienced a place that really wanted to see logs? I know a heck of a lot of divers that don't log their dives, including me. I quite about 350 as it simply wasn't worth doing. I'm not flying an airplane, just jumping in the water and swimming around. So far, I haven't run into anyone that you couldn't show a card too, shoot the sh.t for a few minutes so they realized you had at least half a clue, then get on the boat. I'm interested in your contrary experiences. Geo > I know a heck of a lot of divers that don't log their dives, including > me. I quite about 350 as it simply wasn't worth doing. I'm not flying [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm interested in your contrary experiences. St. Thomas to Agamemnon, I have only had to show my OW card a couple times, and my other cards once. > St. Thomas to Agamemnon, I have only had to show my OW card a couple times, > and my other cards once. Exactly my point. Experience comes across very quickly, logs or no logs. I just carry cave and trimix. One gets me fills and boats, other gets basic access to caves. This may be a mistake from a liability perspective if there was ever an accident on the boat. OW might be safer. Shouldn't be an issue, but lawyers gotta eat too. Geo > > In some places you need to show a log to be able to dive, and I don't think a > > computer printout would do it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > me. I quite about 350 as it simply wasn't worth doing. I'm not flying > an airplane, just jumping in the water and swimming around. I download mine, but that's it. Somehow in Atlanta I lost my cable for the Vyper, and I've been bumping dives off it since last year. > So far, I haven't run into anyone that you couldn't show a card too, > shoot the sh.t for a few minutes so they realized you had at least half [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Geo > Somehow in Atlanta I lost my cable for the Vyper, and I've been bumping > dives off it since last year. Funnily enough, that's pretty near exactly what happened to me. Changed computers, lost the cable for downloading, said the hell with it. I'm sitting somewhere around 475, if anyone really wants to hassle me then they don't need my money. Actually had that at the dive shop up here a couple of weeks ago. Guy said "let's see some certification", I got out my cards, he said "no, I mean divemaster or instructor". I said, "I already know how to make coffee, why would I want to be a divemaster?" He settled down pretty quick... <g> Geo > Somehow in Atlanta I lost my cable for the Vyper, and I've been bumping > dives off it since last year. You can have mine, since I don't run MS software. > You can have mine, since I don't run MS software. To destroy one's enemy, one must understand one's enemy... >>You can have mine, since I don't run MS software. > > To destroy one's enemy, one must understand one's enemy... Lots of assumptions in there that are not valid. > > Somehow in Atlanta I lost my cable for the Vyper, and I've been bumping > > dives off it since last year. > > You can have mine, since I don't run MS software. I'll bear your children. Or send corn liquor... > I'll bear your children. Please, no. > Or send corn liquor... Must be hand-delivered so we can sort all this sh.t out verbally. > I know a heck of a lot of divers that don't log their dives, including > me. I quite about 350 as it simply wasn't worth doing. I'm not flying > an airplane, just jumping in the water and swimming around. Hell, I'm a pilot and don't even log all my flights... > > I know a heck of a lot of divers that don't log their dives, including > > me. I quite about 350 as it simply wasn't worth doing. I'm not flying > > an airplane, just jumping in the water and swimming around. > > Hell, I'm a pilot and don't even log all my flights... Well there you go then. You're doing something glamorous like flying a plane, I'm just messing around in the water. <g> Logging the first 150 or so made sense to meet some tech training minimums, but even then no one actually asked to see a log, just asked me how many dives I had. Geo > Logging the first 150 or so made sense to meet some tech training > minimums, but even then no one actually asked to see a log, just asked > me how many dives I had. If they ask me, I usually just reply, "Hell if I know"... Hell, when some of us started, dive logs were chiseled upon tablets of stone... Actually, that was when Lee started -- When I started, we had progressed to papyrus paper... > When I started, we had > progressed to papyrus paper... And did you fill your papyrus with ``stty erase ^H''? > And did you fill your papyrus with ``stty erase ^H''? Actually, it was via: cpio -ivdumC < /dev/mem > /dev/papyrus > Actually, it was via: > > cpio -ivdumC < /dev/mem > /dev/papyrus cpio? What a stroke. > cpio? What a stroke. Oh, you're one of those new guys who use tar instead? >>cpio? What a stroke. > > Oh, you're one of those new guys who use tar instead? It's always had a better interface. > > Logging the first 150 or so made sense to meet some tech training > > minimums, but even then no one actually asked to see a log, just asked [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > stone... Actually, that was when Lee started -- When I started, we had > progressed to papyrus paper... Yeah, I heard some of you old guys had a "chiselled" look! If I get to 1000 before I die, its going to turn into "Hell if I know". With the Altzheimer's setting in its going to be the truth too... Geo > Yeah, I heard some of you old guys had a "chiselled" look! > > If I get to 1000 before I die, its going to turn into "Hell if I know". > > With the Altzheimer's setting in its going to be the truth too... Hear the one about Ginko Viagra? So you can remember WTF you were doing... >> In some places you need to show a log to be able to dive, and I don't think a >> computer printout would do it. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Geo Yes. To dive in Eilat, Israel you have to show: 1. your C card 2. proof of dive insurance and 3. proof that you have dived within the last 6 months by showing your log book. In fact they like to see an official stamp in your log book from your dive club to substantiate your log. Without 3. you are required to do a refresher course. In other places I have also been sporadically asked to show my log book. Adam > It's also a problem with keeping your scuba log on a computer. It's a solution to a > problem that does not exist. > > In some places you need to show a log to be able to dive, and I don't think a > computer printout would do it. My solution to the problem is to just not keep a log... If it's truly a memorable dive, I'll consider putting it on a web page... > > It's also a problem with keeping your scuba log on a computer. It's a > solution to a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > My solution to the problem is to just not keep a log... If it's truly a > memorable dive, I'll consider putting it on a web page... I've been a number of places in this world where I'd heard that they would ask for my log. One time, *one* . . .an op suggested that they'd like to see my log. I told them I didn't have it with me and that I had X # of dives and that I'd been diving in blah, blah, blah, etc. and after one dive with them, that was the end of that BS. If you have a DM card or an instructor card, don't carry those for travel. Carry your advanced card, so that no op ever mildly suggests that there are certain dives that you can't do. An advanced card gets you on most any dive you want to do, most anywhere you'd travel to dive. As long as you don't advertise your DM or instructor ticket, you are just another "fun" diver like all of the rest of the peons on the boat. I can't remember the last time I actually logged a dive. My computer holds 99. > If you have a DM card or an instructor card, don't carry those for travel. > Carry your advanced card, so that no op ever mildly suggests that there [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > advertise your DM or instructor ticket, you are just another "fun" diver > like all of the rest of the peons on the boat. What do you do on an waiver form which specifically asks for "highest certification level" or when the person checking you in specifically asks if you have any DM or instructor certifications (as I was recently asked on the Okeanos Aggressor)? This is becoming more common. For instance, the application for my upcoming Nekton trip asks for "Highest Cert. Level". Regardless, I'm not sure how liability could attach simply because someone holds a particular certification, if that person doesn't affirmatively act in such capacity. Are you aware of any statutes that would make an off-work DM or instructor liable for his fellow divers on a "fun" dive, or even any court cases where a DM/instructor was named as a defendant solely because he or she held a "professional" certification? > What do you do on an waiver form which specifically asks for "highest > certification level" or when the person checking you in specifically asks if > you have any DM or instructor certifications (as I was recently asked on the > Okeanos Aggressor)? This is becoming more common. For instance, the > application for my upcoming Nekton trip asks for "Highest Cert. Level". What difference does it make if you misrepresent your cert level on a waiver? If you end up bent, can the dive op sue you for being a DM, when you represented to only AOW? If another diver ends up in trouble and you don't react in a manner that could be expected of a dive professional, can you be sued because you told Nekton that you are only AOW? > Regardless, I'm not sure how liability could attach simply because someone > holds a particular certification, if that person doesn't affirmatively act > in such capacity. Are you aware of any statutes that would make an off-work > DM or instructor liable for his fellow divers on a "fun" dive, or even any > court cases where a DM/instructor was named as a defendant solely because he > or she held a "professional" certification? Not as far as I know . . . yet. With regard to revealing cert levels while on holiday, I've been told by dive professionals that it can be just a big pain in the a.s. > What difference does it make if you misrepresent your cert level on a > waiver? If you end up bent, can the dive op sue you for being a DM, when > you represented to only AOW? If another diver ends up in trouble and you > don't react in a manner that could be expected of a dive professional, can > you be sued because you told Nekton that you are only AOW? If I somehow got sued, and the jury found out that, not only was I an instructor who failed to save the dead guy, but that I concealed that fact from the dive operation and the fellow divers who otherwise might have come to me for help, I imagine that the jury might be a bit more pissed off. It's never wise to piss off a jury. > With regard to revealing cert levels while on holiday, I've been told by > dive professionals that it can be just a big pain in the a.s. I've never noticed a difference. Maybe I just don't look very professional. > I've never noticed a difference. Maybe I just don't look very professional. LOL, do ya think? >> If you have a DM card or an instructor card, don't carry those for travel. >> Carry your advanced card, so that no op ever mildly suggests that there [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >court cases where a DM/instructor was named as a defendant solely because he >or she held a "professional" certification? Never heard of one, myself. It seems like everyone has this fear, but it's much like the bogey man. Besides, I'm currently in nonteaching status. With no insurance, why sue?  Signaturedillon Anyone who says grown men don't cry has never taken a differential equations final. > Never heard of one, myself. It seems like everyone has this fear, but > it's much like the bogey man. Besides, I'm currently in nonteaching > status. With no insurance, why sue? http://www.divelawyer.com/ They will send you free info. >> Never heard of one, myself. It seems like everyone has this fear, but >> it's much like the bogey man. Besides, I'm currently in nonteaching [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > They will send you free info. Which is as helpful as most free info, i.e. you get what you pay for. I looked over Alton's firms' publications and found a lot of generic stuff without any meat to it. First of all, jurisdiction makes a big difference. For instance, Alton's firm is based in Louisiana, the one U.S. state that is based on Napoleonic law instead of English common law. That's why, in the chapter on waivers, you get "useful" information like "waivers are effective in some place and barred in others". Other stuff is basic law school text, without any real application to diving, and ignoring the practicalities such as insurance and out-of-court settlements for cost of defense where true liability is merely tangential. Of course the publications would have to be generic and unhelpful. Otherwise, the firm could get sued for malpractice by someone claiming they relied on the free publications who got sued anyway. Free publications are never a good substitute for first-hand legal advice from an attorney regarding one's own specific factual situation, but they do act as a good marketing tool to those sorts of people easily impressed by free publications. Me, I'd stay away from money-grubbing lawyers, and instead find a good insurance policy. > Me, I'd stay away from money-grubbing lawyers, and instead find a good > insurance policy. Ahhh, so that NRA membership is starting to have an effect upon you... So, the question now is, Smith & Wesson or Colt for your insurance policy... >> Me, I'd stay away from money-grubbing lawyers, and instead find a good >> insurance policy. > > Ahhh, so that NRA membership is starting to have an effect upon you... So, > the question now is, Smith & Wesson or Colt for your insurance policy... So when Hurricane Rita was approaching Houston, were you standing outside your house shooting at the wind? > So when Hurricane Rita was approaching Houston, were you standing outside > your house shooting at the wind? Of course... Why do you think it headed further away from my house? >>Me, I'd stay away from money-grubbing lawyers, and instead find a good >>insurance policy. > > Ahhh, so that NRA membership is starting to have an effect upon you... So, > the question now is, Smith & Wesson or Colt for your insurance policy... Ruger. Signature“The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.” > >>Me, I'd stay away from money-grubbing lawyers, and instead find a good > >>insurance policy. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Ruger. Remington MK eight seven zero. The voice of authority. > Never heard of one, myself. It seems like everyone has this fear, but > it's much like the bogey man. Besides, I'm currently in nonteaching > status. With no insurance, why sue? That's a dangerous attitude. If a lawyer's already suing, adding a defendant takes nothing more than a little word processing and another $50 or so to a process server. Now the defendant has to hire a lawyer to defend himself. Even if he's ultimately dismissed from the case, it could cost many tens of thousands or more to get that resolution. Doesn't PADI have some sort of inactive insurance at a fraction of the active instructor cost? Mine was $230 last time, which comes down to $20 or so a month for the peace of mind that if someone from a dive boat sues me solely on the basis that I have an instructor certification, my insurance will pay for the lawyer (and ultimately protect my assets if the lawyer screws up). >> Never heard of one, myself. It seems like everyone has this fear, but >> it's much like the bogey man. Besides, I'm currently in nonteaching [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >will pay for the lawyer (and ultimately protect my assets if the lawyer >screws up). Only active instructor insurance. If you have something for $230, I'm interested. That said, we are about to buy a liability policy to cover everything. The qualifications specifically except pro atheletes, pro actors and politicians. Signaturedillon Anyone who says grown men don't cry has never taken a differential equations final. >> It's also a problem with keeping your scuba log on a computer. It's a > solution to a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > My solution to the problem is to just not keep a log... If it's truly a > memorable dive, I'll consider putting it on a web page... I use a weatherproof journal from REI with blank pages and usually don't write much about the dive, but I do record the location, type of suit I used, weights and buoyancy, notes on temp, depth and time and whether I enjoyed the dive and anything unusual. That helps with planning future dives and I can make use of my past experience. Adam > I found an old floppy with about 25 dives on it IIRC. It was saved in a > shareware program named DIVELOG for Windows 3.1 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > R FWIW if it is a shareware program from that long ago there is a very good chance that the data has been stored in some sort of flat text file. In which ever version of windows you have make sure your explorer settings will NOT hide any files or file extentions then try opening the different files on the disc in notepad. If you have no luck zip it up and e-mail it to me .. I'll see if I can extract anything useful. [ajames54(at)hotmail(dot)com] |
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