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Scuba Forum / General / November 2003Dive Report LI, NY
Well, I think "we" are calling it the end of another year of diving in the great North East. Final two dives on the wreck, Oregon. For info of this great N.E. wreck, http://www.wahoo2001.com/wrecks/oregon.htm The air was cool,the sun was up and there was a mild wind. The seas had swells of 3 feet. The trip from Freeport, LI was about two hours, so.. I had my usual "nap" for the ride out. This is a huge wreck. Over 500 feet long at a depth of 125-130'. The huge engines and boilers (nine of them) that are reached at about 80'. Around the top of the boilers and around the 3 huge cylinder engine, marine life abounds. Hundreds of fish of all types, anemones, soft coral and marine growth everywhere. Water temp was a warm 53 degrees. Vis on the bottom was a dark 25'. There was surge on the bottom and a mild current off the wreck. Lobsters can be find along with scallops and fish. Both my dives ran about an hour each. Good times were had by all as we closed another year of diving (which included doing the Doria and Coimbra this year). We look forward to our yearly Christmas party and of course, planning our diving for the next year (which will include the Texas Tower again along with another Doria trip). It was a great year of diving! >Water temp was a warm 53 degrees. Vis on the bottom was a dark 25'. I called it a year last month when our water temp was consistently 45 degrees. (Although my buddies dove this past weekend at 38 degrees - diving wet.) - David Newdiver2 left this mess on 25 Nov 2003 01:28:35 GMT for The Way to clean up: >>Water temp was a warm 53 degrees. Vis on the bottom was a dark 25'. > >I called it a year last month when our water temp was consistently 45 degrees. >(Although my buddies dove this past weekend at 38 degrees - diving wet.) Jeez, how liquored up would I have to be to dive that wet, I wonder? Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003 (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif > Jeez, how liquored up would I have to be to dive that wet, I wonder? I believe that you would need to get the alcohol content in your blood up to the point where it was acting as an antifreeze... Grumman-581 left this mess on Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:41:34 GMT for The Way to clean up: >> Jeez, how liquored up would I have to be to dive that wet, I wonder? > >I believe that you would need to get the alcohol content in your blood up to >the point where it was acting as an antifreeze... Well, that's done already but what about beyond that? Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003 (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif > Jeez, how liquored up would I have to be to dive that wet, I wonder? Not. You just gotta wanna (and not have the balls to make your kids starve so you can buy a new drysuit). I did two years, daily, some times 4 or 5 dives a day on the weekends, in a Mares 7mm up here in Hood Canal. Some times, we wade through the snow and ice, and dive under the slush on the surface, where the tide came in under a 6" of snow. Because of the local runoff, the top 15 feet is often mostly fresh water, and we have measured it at 34 degree's. A brisk, crisp, 34 degree's. But then down about 80 feet, it snaps off to a balmy 46 to 48. One of the reasons we changed to 20 foot final stops. But, I had a nice hot shower to get into between dives. The worst is when you have been camping, and your wetsuit is stiff in the morning. Putting that on was a rush. How about 250 for 20 in Agamemnon Channel, in January, in a 5 mil, breathing 16/50? The wetsuit was sky blue, and Dinky Dave looked like the biggest Smurf you ever saw. Scott Scott left this mess on Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:57:53 -0800 for The Way to clean up: >> Jeez, how liquored up would I have to be to dive that wet, I wonder? > >Not. You just gotta wanna (and not have the balls to make your kids starve >so you can buy a new drysuit). Yea, a hot shower in between would probably get me there. Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003 (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif > Yea, a hot shower in between would probably get me there. Come to think of it, there was a company a couple of years ago that was making a wetsuit heater... Basically a heating pad which you slipped underneath your wetsuit and it would run off of a battery pack... They even sold a canister light that ran off the same battery pack... I guess with one of those, it wouldn't be as bad to dive wet in freezing waters... Still, that give me two lumps in my throat just *thinking* about it... Grumman-581 left this mess on Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:58:23 GMT for The Way to clean up: >> Yea, a hot shower in between would probably get me there. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >of those, it wouldn't be as bad to dive wet in freezing waters... Still, >that give me two lumps in my throat just *thinking* about it... There are also those self-contained chemical packs that hunters and campers use. The trouble with those is you need to really give it a good smack and it only warms a limited area. Be hard to position it in the wetsuit, smack it (I'd probably have mine by my crotch, which while the smack mighht feel good, would limit my ability to see while diving for a while) and feel really warmed by it. Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003 (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif > Grumman-581 left this mess on Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:58:23 GMT for The Way to clean > up: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > probably have mine by my crotch, which while the smack mighht feel good, would > limit my ability to see while diving for a while) and feel really warmed by it. How about icy-hot? > Tao te Carl > "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003 > > (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question > here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif Chris Guynn left this mess on Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:18:39 GMT for The Way to clean up: >> Grumman-581 left this mess on Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:58:23 GMT for The Way to >clean [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >How about icy-hot? That needs to be in contact with the skin, and I'm not sure how neoprene would take it. I should look into that, tho. Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003 (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif > > Yea, a hot shower in between would probably get me there. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of those, it wouldn't be as bad to dive wet in freezing waters... Still, > that give me two lumps in my throat just *thinking* about it... A couple people I know bought those, and after one too many cases of skin bends, we decided not to buy one. Scott > A couple people I know bought those, and after one too many cases of skin > bends, we decided not to buy one. Skin bends? Sounds kinky...Yet another rec.scuba discussion turns to sex... > > A couple people I know bought those, and after one too many cases of skin > > bends, we decided not to buy one. > > Skin bends? Sounds kinky...Yet another rec.scuba discussion turns to sex... AKA subdermal hematoma. *Only* next to the heater. Scott > > A couple people I know bought those, and after one too many cases of skin > > bends, we decided not to buy one. > > Skin bends? Sounds kinky...Yet another rec.scuba discussion turns to sex... Kinky, ha! Just wait until you bend a breast or two. > > > A couple people I know bought those, and after one too many cases of > skin > > > bends, we decided not to buy one. > > > > Skin bends? Sounds kinky...Yet another rec.scuba discussion turns to > sex... > Kinky, ha! Just wait until you bend a breast or two. Breasts, thighs.... sheesh. I'm too full from turkey to contemplate this discussion. > I called it a year last month when our water temp was consistently 45 degrees. > (Although my buddies dove this past weekend at 38 degrees - diving wet.) The water does get cold here. We've been out in December, chopping ice off the boat. But not enough people want to do this, so, the season ends. I used to dive in a 7mm wetsuit in 42degree water. > > I called it a year last month when our water temp was consistently 45 degrees. > > (Although my buddies dove this past weekend at 38 degrees - diving wet.) > > The water does get cold here. We've been out in December, chopping ice > off the boat. But not enough people want to do this, so, the season > ends. I used to dive in a 7mm wetsuit in 42degree water. 7mm one piece? or 7mm 2 piece? With a one piece you have 7mm only all over, with a 2 piece longjohns and jacket you have double the thickness over the torso, so effectively a 14mm torso. I dive a 5mm 2 piece, longjohns and t-shirt only when water temp at bottom would be 15*C or more, or jacket when below that. giving me 10mm on the torso. rhys > > > I called it a year last month when our water temp was consistently 45 > degrees. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > rhys Really... I saw a 9mm I liked the other day... oh, wait, we're talking about wet suits. Never mind > > > > I called it a year last month when our water temp was consistently 45 > > degrees. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Really... I saw a 9mm I liked the other day... oh, wait, we're talking about > wet suits. Never mind SMG, semi auto, double action, or single action 9mm? rhys rnf2 left this mess on Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:43:11 +1300 for The Way to clean up: >> > > > I called it a year last month when our water temp was consistently >45 [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >SMG, semi auto, double action, or single action 9mm? He's American. Semi-auto. We're too f.cking lazy to keep at it. Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003 (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif > > > > > I called it a year last month when our water temp was consistently > 45 [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > rhys Beretta 92fs Vertec... Single/Double. Nice look, nice heft, shoots well. Personally, if I was buying though, I'd probably go with the 8045 Cougar F. Pack a little more punch at the expense of less ammo per clip (by about half). I'd bet it wouldn't take more than 3 rounds to stop most people. > > > Really... I saw a 9mm I liked the other day... oh, wait, we're talking > > about [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Pack a little more punch at the expense of less ammo per clip (by about > half). I'd bet it wouldn't take more than 3 rounds to stop most people. If I was in the US and buying a pistol, I'd get 2. Theres a nice ruger 10mm 5 round semi auto with double action start that'd make a nice concealed carry protection gun. I'd get a Calico .22 pistol for plinking and practice tho. Here, to buy a pistol you need to have a special pistol licence, AND belong to a target pistol shooting club, and your pistol MUST be stored in the club safe. You can only have your pistol off club grounds by having a one time only permit for transport between clubs. ie. you attend a competition shoot in another city you need permission to move your pistol form one club safe to the other. rhys On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:52:53 +1300, "rnf2" wrote ... >Here, to buy a pistol you need to have a special pistol licence, AND belong >to a target pistol shooting club, and your pistol MUST be stored in the club >safe. You can only have your pistol off club grounds by having a one time >only permit for transport between clubs. ie. you attend a competition shoot >in another city you need permission to move your pistol form one club safe >to the other. Thanks for reminding us how lucky we are that our rights haven't been siimilarly eroded... Makes us understand why we truly should give thanks on Turkey Day... > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:52:53 +1300, "rnf2" wrote ... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > siimilarly eroded... Makes us understand why we truly should give > thanks on Turkey Day... Eroded? We never had those rights in the first place. And as a result. no cop carries a gun as part of his uniform. police deaths per 1000 cops is a fraction of that in the USA. rhys > And as a result. no cop carries a gun as part of his uniform. police deaths > per 1000 cops is a fraction of that in the USA. Which means what? That your cops deal with fewer armed criminals, or that there are fewer armed criminals to deal with? And, what do you think the integers to that equation are? Scott On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:33:55 -0800, "Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com> wrote ... >Which means what? That your cops deal with fewer armed criminals, or that >there are fewer armed criminals to deal with? It means that the sheep are armed... Neither are the 'roos... On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:32:32 GMT, Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote ... >It means that the sheep are armed... Neither are the 'roos... I really should learn to proofread my posts, especially after having downed a 12-pack... CORRECTION: "It means that the sheep aren't armed... Neither are the 'roos..." > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:32:32 GMT, Grumman-581 > <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote ... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > CORRECTION: > "It means that the sheep aren't armed... Neither are the 'roos..." You know what the name of the Aussies national rugby team is? The Wallabies. And Wallabies are on the department of the conservations list of noxious pests. to be shot on sight. rhys > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:32:32 GMT, Grumman-581 > > <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote ... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > And Wallabies are on the department of the conservations list of noxious > pests. to be shot on sight. with what? cameras? > rhys > > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:32:32 GMT, Grumman-581 > > > <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote ... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > with what? > cameras? I use a .303 > > rhys > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:32:32 GMT, Grumman-581 > <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote ... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > CORRECTION: > "It means that the sheep aren't armed... Neither are the 'roos..." CARELESS CODE RECYCLING CAUSES KILLER KANGAS Mutant Marsupials Take Up Arms Against Australian Air Force The reuse of some object-oriented code has caused tactical headaches for Australia's armed forces. As virtual reality simulators assume larger roles in helicopter combat training, programmers have gone to great lengths to increase the realism of their scenarios, including detailed landscapes and - in the case of the Northern Territory's Operation Phoenix -- herds of kangaroos (since disturbed animals might well give away a helicopter's position). The head of the Defense Science & Technology Organization's Land Operations/Simulation division reportedly instructed developers to model the local marsupials' movements and reactions to helicopters. Being efficient programmers, they just re-appropriated some code originally used to model infantry detachment reactions under the same stimuli, changed the mapped icon from a soldier to a kangaroo, and increased the figures' speed of movement. Eager to demonstrate their flying skills for some visiting American pilots, the hotshot Aussies "buzzed" the virtual kangaroos in low flight during a simulation. The kangaroos scattered, as predicted, and the visiting Americans nodded appreciatively... then did a double-take as the kangaroos reappeared from behind a hill and launched a barrage of Stinger missiles at the hapless helicopter. (Apparently the programmers had forgotten to remove that part of the infantry coding.) The lesson? Objects are defined with certain attributes, and any new object defined in terms of an old one inherits all the attributes. The embarrassed programmers had learned to be careful when reusing object-oriented code, and the Yanks left with a newfound respect for Australian wildlife. Simulator supervisors report that pilots from that point onward have strictly avoided kangaroos, just as they were meant to. -- From June 15, 1999 Defense Science and Technology Organization Lecture Series, Melbourne, Australia, and staff reports rnf2 left this mess on Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:52:53 +1300 for The Way to clean up: >Here, to buy a pistol you need to have a special pistol licence, AND belong >to a target pistol shooting club, and your pistol MUST be stored in the club >safe. You can only have your pistol off club grounds by having a one time >only permit for transport between clubs. ie. you attend a competition shoot >in another city you need permission to move your pistol form one club safe >to the other. A consummation devoutly to be wished by most Americans. Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003 (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:17:28 GMT, "Chris Guynn" wrote ... >Beretta 92fs Vertec... Single/Double. Nice look, nice heft, shoots well. I have a 96FS... Very nice, but a little large for concealed carry... I carry a Taurus PT-145 (11-shot DAO .45) for that... >>The water does get cold here. We've been out in December, chopping ice >>off the boat. But not enough people want to do this, so, the season >>ends. I used to dive in a 7mm wetsuit in 42degree water. > > 7mm one piece? or 7mm 2 piece? 7mm one piece Oneill. It was fine while diving. It wasn't once you got on the surface and had to take it off. And then, put it on again for a second dive. It took a LOT of mental effort to do it. But the diving was good, vis was excellent (no thermals to go through), usually around 50' which is great for this area. Now, I'll dive wet, but it has to be warm. TonyP left this mess on Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:24:37 GMT for The Way to clean up: >>>The water does get cold here. We've been out in December, chopping ice >>>off the boat. But not enough people want to do this, so, the season [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >good, vis was excellent (no thermals to go through), usually around 50' >which is great for this area. Now, I'll dive wet, but it has to be warm. Ain't that the truth. I've dived as late as Nov. 15th ahead of a nor'easter, and damned if the coldest part of the day was in between dives, when I had to unzip the back (O'Neill also) to loosen the neck enough to sip some hot cocoa. Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003 (Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif > Ain't that the truth. I've dived as late as Nov. 15th ahead of a nor'easter, and > damned if the coldest part of the day was in between dives, when I had to unzip > the back (O'Neill also) to loosen the neck enough to sip some hot cocoa. Yeah, drinking something hot was required. But since "wet" gear was not allowed in the heated cabin, you know where the wet suit was... outside. Oh man... just the thought of it! |
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