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Scuba Forum / General / October 2005While we're on the subject...
I need a new computer. It needs to be wrist mounted. needs a remote transmitter for tank pressure. Must work independent of the transmitter. A readable display. Nitrox, of course. More than one gas would be nice. Provide URLs, please, if you can. What do you like? > I need a new computer. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What do you like? Stoke alert! :) Sounds like a Cockroach would do you nicely. No wonder you want rid of the long hose, it must already be trying to slink off in acute embarrasment... George > Sounds like a Cockroach would do you nicely. No wonder you want rid of > the long hose, it must already be trying to slink off in acute > embarrasment... > > George Verrrrrrrry good! > Sounds like a Cockroach would do you nicely. No wonder you want rid of > the long hose, it must already be trying to slink off in acute > embarrasment... The long hose will always be at hand, I'm just tired of lugging it around the Florida Keys. > George > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > More than one gas would be nice. OMFG! What kinda pussy needs all that stuff????? >> >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >What kinda pussy needs all that stuff????? I think this is for in the truck. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >>> I need a new computer. >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I think this is for in the truck. More to the point, for lugging in and out of the truck.... Good guess. > JF > > Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >> I need a new computer. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What kinda pussy needs all that stuff????? One that wants a two hose rig... > One that wants a two hose rig... Entirely overrated... 5-hose rig works pretty good, 6-hose if you're concerned with a backup inflator hose... > I need a new computer. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What do you like? After using several computers, including the Cochran hoseles, I prefer a bottom timer and the sh.t I know. Learn more sh.t. You can't lose it, and it doesn't need batteries. It adapts to any situation, even multi gasses. al > After using several computers, including the Cochran hoseles, I prefer a > bottom timer and the sh.t I know. Learn more sh.t. You can't lose it, > and it doesn't need batteries. It adapts to any situation, even multi > gasses. I guess we read it differently... It sounded to me like he was just wanting a J-valve... I've got a few attached to my tanks, but I'm not givin' 'em up... >> After using several computers, including the Cochran hoseles, I prefer a >> bottom timer and the sh.t I know. Learn more sh.t. You can't lose it, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >a J-valve... I've got a few attached to my tanks, but I'm not givin' 'em >up... You have a J-valve attached to yer wrist? JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > You have a J-valve attached to yer wrist? Close enough... I use 'em on a sidemount rig... >> You have a J-valve attached to yer wrist? > >Close enough... I use 'em on a sidemount rig... That must be heaps of fun on boat dives. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > That must be heaps of fun on boat dives. Depends on the boat... They're rigged up like stage bottles, so they're pretty easy to clip on one you get in the water... It's a sturdy enough setup that I can walk around out of the water with them on also... Haven't tried a giant stride or back flip entry with them yet... My boat driving with them is with my own boat and as such, I just hang them over the side while I wear my backplate and wing in the boat... >> That must be heaps of fun on boat dives. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >with them is with my own boat and as such, I just hang them over the side >while I wear my backplate and wing in the boat... Rolling in might be kind of tough on you. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > Rolling in might be kind of tough on you. Not sure... They hang snug enough, it might work out... One of these days, I'll have to give it a try... >> After using several computers, including the Cochran hoseles, I prefer a >> bottom timer and the sh.t I know. Learn more sh.t. You can't lose it, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a J-valve... I've got a few attached to my tanks, but I'm not givin' 'em > up... Actually, it was in the plan. I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) > I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) You were well on your way with 0# once... >> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) > > You were well on your way with 0# once... But I came back. >>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >> >> You were well on your way with 0# once... > > But I came back. http://www.leisurepro.com/Prod/ItemIndex_45/CategoryID_1985/Context_954/Sort_SKU /DescSort_0/OCNVTC.html >>>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://www.leisurepro.com/Prod/ItemIndex_45/CategoryID_1985/Context_954/Sort_SKU /DescSort_0/OCNVTC.html The transmitter looks vulnerable. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >>>>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The transmitter looks vulnerable. They take a fair beating, lotsa people use them. This'll just be a cattle boat rig. > JF > > Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > The transmitter looks vulnerable. No more vulnerable than a hose, even with a hose protector. >> The transmitter looks vulnerable. > >No more vulnerable than a hose, even with a hose protector. The hose is flexible, or at least not rigid so far from the threads. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com>wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > The hose is flexible, or at least not rigid so far from the threads. FWIW, I would be concerned if its a hard connection with a long lever arm. However, since you can't eliminate the hose between the 1st and 2nd stages, the regulator system's going to require a certain amount of TLC, so what changes if there's one more hose? Nada. And with everything consolidated onto a console, there's fewer 'loose parts' that are subject to getting lost before the dive, because it got separated and misplaced while in storage. -hh > However, since you can't eliminate the hose between the 1st and 2nd > stages, the regulator system's going to require a certain amount of TLC, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > parts' that are subject to getting lost before the dive, because it got > separated and misplaced while in storage. Individual perspective, I guess. One more hose is an increase of 50%. My console days are waaaay over. There's no comparison, for me, between a wristwatch sized computer w/ a compass (a good Sunnto) on the wristband), and a 2 or 3 gauge size console with a hose. As for getting lost, I either hang it on my harness during storage, or were it on my belt loop while on a trip (Lee and Curtis: "what the heck is that computer doing on your cutoffs?") Cause I'll lose it, sure as hell. But my paradigm here is minimalization, at practically any reasonable cost. E-mail me your phone number, what are you doing for dinner tonight? I'll be somewhere in Joisey all day, for a drop in Secaucus tomorrow early. (I'm in Harrisburg right now, getting ready to move n/west) > -hh > > However, since you can't eliminate the hose between the 1st and 2nd > > stages, the regulator system's going to require a certain amount of TLC, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Individual perspective, I guess. Agreed. Its pretty much the trade-off of being willing to have a 2nd $25 hose in order to reduce the risk of losing a $500 computer. > E-mail me your phone number, what are you doing for dinner tonight? > > I'll be somewhere in Joisey all day, for a drop in Secaucus tomorrow > early. > > (I'm in Harrisburg right now, getting ready to move n/west) Sorry for the delay in responding...I had a flight out that afternoon, and didn't see this thread again until this morning. I'll send you a note offline that contains everything, for next time. -hh >> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com>wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >FWIW, I would be concerned if its a hard connection with a long lever >arm. That's what I mean. But I understand the appeal of having only two hoses coming off the 1st and one of those laying close to your shoulder. Makes a very tidy rig. I wonder though if a shorter primary hose is really going to be an improvement over a properly wrapped and tucked long hose. Perhaps, since we're going for the gizmoes anyway, a swivel between the primary and the shorter hose routed under the armpit would be tidy. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > Perhaps, > since we're going for the gizmoes anyway, a swivel between the primary > and the shorter hose routed under the armpit would be tidy. If you're going for gizmos, why not just go to divers supply and get a nice Mares HUB? > > Perhaps, > > since we're going for the gizmoes anyway, a swivel between the primary > > and the shorter hose routed under the armpit would be tidy. > > If you're going for gizmos, why not just go to divers supply and get a > nice Mares HUB? Now *that* was below the belt, or hub, or whatever... >> > Perhaps, >> > since we're going for the gizmoes anyway, a swivel between the primary [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Now *that* was below the belt, or hub, or whatever... I never get smart with Al. He lent me some air once. But see my reply to JOF. > I never get smart with Al. > > He lent me some air once. > > But see my reply to JOF. I still tease him very gently about the Kendrick, but as Al points out, he watched me swim off into the sunset rather than the other way round. I got a nice sand dive watching the brittle stars at 345', and he got to see the fairly spectacular wreck of the Kendrick. Who's the dumbass, (and as a clue), it isn't Al. I did get to see the Uwatec dive timer lock up at 328', and that was reward enough. Because it was there. George > I still tease him very gently about the Kendrick, but as Al points out, > he watched me swim off into the sunset rather than the other way round. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Because it was there. I still wish I could have that one back to do again differently. > I still wish I could have that one back to do again differently. My stupidity, absolutely not yours in any way. We will do that again by the book one day and life will be excellent. I still want to see the damn thing, looks like a cool wreck. Geo > My stupidity, absolutely not yours in any way. We will do that again by > the book one day and life will be excellent. I still want to see the > damn thing, looks like a cool wreck. As Billy Deans told us in the parking lot, "with all of that fishing line on it, it looks like a used tampon" We will do it again. > > My stupidity, absolutely not yours in any way. We will do that again by > > the book one day and life will be excellent. I still want to see the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > We will do it again. <rofl> They want $45 each to hydro my tanks, with another $20 on top of that to O2 clean them afterwards. They will not be stamped with a plus. I might get five bucks off for low season in Feb. Come back Florida, all is forgiven. a.sholes. Geo > They want $45 each to hydro my tanks, with another $20 on top of that > to O2 clean them afterwards. They will not be stamped with a plus. I > might get five bucks off for low season in Feb. Come back Florida, all > is forgiven. a.sholes. Does TC have a plus rating for those tanks? Remember, you ain't in Kansas Try a fire extinguisher place (that's where the dive shop sends them). you, will at least cut out the DS markup. At the fire extinguisher place, I paid $15 last time. > > They want $45 each to hydro my tanks, with another $20 on top of that > > to O2 clean them afterwards. They will not be stamped with a plus. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > you, will at least cut out the DS markup. At the fire extinguisher > place, I paid $15 last time. I'll ask around. I was a little taken aback at the initial quote. Geo > Does TC have a plus rating for those tanks? Remember, you ain't in > Kansas I belive there is an initial plus, but after that you are back to the basic rating. Geo > I belive there is an initial plus, but after that you are back to the > basic rating. I'd check that out - plus on initial hydro only is well accepted dive shop monkeyism here, but just isn't true. The fire extinguisher place balked at first, but did what I wanted when I told them to just give me back my tanks. Look at O2 or welding gas bottles, and see if they have a plus on later hydros. That will give you a clue. Of course, the best thing to do is to look up the TC regs. > > I belive there is an initial plus, but after that you are back to the > > basic rating. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > hydros. That will give you a clue. Of course, the best thing to do is to > look up the TC regs. Maybe threats of violence will work. Maybe they'll think I'm an American with a gun! :-) I'll let you know how I get on... Geo >> They want $45 each to hydro my tanks, with another $20 on top of that >> to O2 clean them afterwards. They will not be stamped with a plus. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >you, will at least cut out the DS markup. At the fire extinguisher >place, I paid $15 last time. $20 here at the fire extinguisher shop. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > $20 here at the fire extinguisher shop. I may need to come and visit. This wouldn't be a big deal except that I have 18 to do... Geo > I may need to come and visit. This wouldn't be a big deal except that I > have 18 to do... 17. You should ditch one of those deco bottles. It was too small. >> $20 here at the fire extinguisher shop. >> >I may need to come and visit. This wouldn't be a big deal except that I >have 18 to do... Come on down. We have room. The savings will almost pay for your gas. They did a one day turn around for me on 5 tanks. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > I never get smart with Al. > > He lent me some air once. > > But see my reply to JOF. I was just trying to be funny. I understand what you're trying to do, and there's a big difference between someone like you putting together something he's thought through and an overly complicated CF pushed off on a clueless newbie. (And yes, I have taken the HUB apart and know how it works) BTW, Hal Watts used to teach the use of the Air2 (and donation of your primary reg) in deep diving. I don't know if he still teaches that. My problem with the air2) is that a scary number of its users have no clue whatsoever in how it is to be used. Whenever I got a AOW student who had one (or something like it), the first thing I would ask them to do was an OOA drill. More than half would try to donate the Air2. >> I never get smart with Al. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > one (or something like it), the first thing I would ask them to do was > an OOA drill. More than half would try to donate the Air2. I have said here, before, I believe, that the Hub was a good idea poorly functionalized. >> Perhaps, >> since we're going for the gizmoes anyway, a swivel between the primary >> and the shorter hose routed under the armpit would be tidy. > >If you're going for gizmos, why not just go to divers supply and get a >nice Mares HUB? I wondered when someone would mention that. The problem would be that it would lower his net hauling weight significantly. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >>> Perhaps, >>> since we're going for the gizmoes anyway, a swivel between the primary [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I wondered when someone would mention that. The problem would be that > it would lower his net hauling weight significantly. Ridicule what you don't understand.... > JF > > Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >>>> Perhaps, >>>> since we're going for the gizmoes anyway, a swivel between the primary [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ridicule what you don't understand.... I figured the weight of the Hub would lower your net weight on the truck. The Hub I picked up seemed to weigh a ton. What did you think I meant? JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >>>>> Perhaps, >>>>> since we're going for the gizmoes anyway, a swivel between the primary [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > truck. The Hub I picked up seemed to weigh a ton. What did you think I > meant? I meant, in the greatest tenets of DIR wannabee ignorance, Ridicule what you don't understand. > JF > > Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >>>> I wondered when someone would mention that. The problem would be that >>>> it would lower his net hauling weight significantly. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ridicule what you don't understand. You thought I was ridiculing DIR, or trucks? Boy. This is sure a confusing discussion. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >>> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com>wrote: >>> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I wonder though if a shorter primary hose is really going to be an > improvement over a properly wrapped and tucked long hose. That'd be a Great Big Yes for me. Unless we're assuming after 600 long hose dives, my hose , for some reason, isn't properly wrapped & routed. But it's more of an on-deck thing that I'm aiming for, anyway. I may even put a QR (HERESY!!) in one shoulder strap. See, now that Jammer's gone, we can say "Conveeeeeni-ence". Everyone say it with me: "Con-veeeeeeen" "i-ence" Say: "I want a -convenient- sport rig". "My, Popeye, how -convenient- that looks". "What a -convenient- kit". It's okay, really. >Perhaps, > since we're going for the gizmoes Going For The Gizmoes? This just must be another one of those situations where you see pink and I see green. I'm very clearly "un-gizmoing". I'm just combining things I already have. For. Less. Crap. The only addition is the sender. What I'm losing will be: 1) Weight pockets. 2) Weights. 3) Secondary regulator. 4) LP hose. 5) SPG. 6) HP hose. 7) Compass. 8) Spool. Wait'll you see my new SSD. I have a top sectret prototype, but it's still under development. Pre-lined and self inflating. It will positively -terrify- tourist divers when deployed. >anyway, a swivel between the primary > and the shorter hose routed under the armpit would be tidy. Maybe on -your- chest... On mine that's a extra 6" of hose. > JF > > Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > I may even put a QR (HERESY!!) in one shoulder strap. I thought you had your straps so loose you could get your arms in and out easily at any time? > See, now that Jammer's gone, we can say "Conveeeeeni-ence". Nunh unh. You owe me a cup of coffee. >> I may even put a QR (HERESY!!) in one shoulder strap. > > I thought you had your straps so loose you could get your arms in and out > easily at any time? I can. "may even". > > See, now that Jammer's gone, we can say "Conveeeeeni-ence". > > Nunh unh. You owe me a cup of coffee. Sorry about that. >>>See, now that Jammer's gone, we can say "Conveeeeeni-ence". >> >>Nunh unh. You owe me a cup of coffee. > > Sorry about that. You misunderstand, divemaster. >>>>See, now that Jammer's gone, we can say "Conveeeeeni-ence". >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You misunderstand, divemaster. Wizen me, oh brilliant one. > Wizen me, oh brilliant one. Clearly my jammer imitation needs work. Actually, I have a serious question. I like the way the regulator and hose feel in the DIR setup. I never liked the big loop that you get with the traditional open water setup. In your minimalist setup, your backup is the Air2, so do you intend to have a longish hose and route around the back of your neck or do you have some other plan? >> Wizen me, oh brilliant one. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > have a longish hose and route around the back of your neck or do you have > some other plan? I'm gonna have a plain old 33" same-as-millions-use hose. It seemed fine before, but I'll shorten or lengthen for comfort and head turning. > > Wizen me, oh brilliant one. > > Clearly my jammer imitation needs work. > > Actually, I have a serious question. Coffee, boy, hot, black and now! > I like the way the regulator and hose feel in the DIR setup. I never > liked the big loop that you get with the traditional open water setup. > > In your minimalist setup, your backup is the Air2, so do you intend to > have a longish hose and route around the back of your neck or do you > have some other plan? Dennis who just got his NAUI divermaster card. Dennis > Coffee, boy, hot, black and now! That's the one. I bet Doug won't find that one funny either. > See, now that Jammer's gone, we can say "Conveeeeeni-ence". Where has Jammer gone btw? Did I miss some excitement? >> See, now that Jammer's gone, we can say "Conveeeeeni-ence". >> > Where has Jammer gone btw? Did I miss some excitement? Nah, he's over as RSE as far as I know. >> I wonder though if a shorter primary hose is really going to be an >> improvement over a properly wrapped and tucked long hose. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Unless we're assuming after 600 long hose dives, my hose , for some >reason, isn't properly wrapped & routed. No doubts you know how to wrap it. > I may even put a QR (HERESY!!) in one shoulder strap. I've been thinking that a QR would be pretty handy with the drysuit. I'm gonna rip the shoulder dump off one day when I'm desperate to pee. >>anyway, a swivel between the primary >> and the shorter hose routed under the armpit would be tidy. > > Maybe on -your- chest... > > On mine that's a extra 6" of hose. I doubt my chest is much smaller than yours. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >>> I wonder though if a shorter primary hose is really going to be an >>> improvement over a properly wrapped and tucked long hose. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > I doubt my chest is much smaller than yours. Oh, I'd bet a beer or two on a significant difference in depth and width. > JF > > Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >> I doubt my chest is much smaller than yours. > > Oh, I'd bet a beer or two on a significant difference in depth and width. Mebbe so. Mine measures 50" under the arms. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >>> I doubt my chest is much smaller than yours. >> >> Oh, I'd bet a beer or two on a significant difference in depth and >> width. >> > Mebbe so. Mine measures 50" under the arms. I'll check when I get home. > JF > > Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > >>> I doubt my chest is much smaller than yours. > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'll check when I get home. 57". 61" around the shoulders. > > JF > > > > Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >> >>> I doubt my chest is much smaller than yours. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > 61" around the shoulders. Sheesh. I'm only 56" around the shoulders. Yer big. JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > >> >>> I doubt my chest is much smaller than yours. > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sheesh. I'm only 56" around the shoulders. >Yer big. For once, you have an amazingly keen grasp of the perfectly obvious. >>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >> >> You were well on your way with 0# once... > > But I came back. http://www.leisurepro.com/Prod/ItemIndex_79/CategoryID_1985/Context_954/Sort_SKU /DescSort_0/UTCAAZO2.html >>>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.leisurepro.com/Prod/ItemIndex_79/CategoryID_1985/Context_954/Sort_SKU /DescSort_0/UTCAAZO2.html You don't need the Air Z O2 unless you plan to use it with a rebreather. It's designed to work with the Oxy 2 transmitter that inserts into the inhalation hose of a Draeger and measures fO2 on the fly. I believe the Air Z Nitrox is the same thing, but without the rebreather functionality. See my other comments. Overall, I'm not sure it's too sturdy. The elastic has worn out on the wrist strap, I lost the display cover on my last trip, and one of the buttons stopped working so now I have to set my mix all the backward from 99% and can't enter log mode. Looking back in Quicken, I see that I got it back in August 2003 after a ScubaPro demo, whereby I paid less than dealer price. $800 for Air Z O2, Oxy 2, and the computer interface memo mouse thang. That was in June '03. Looking over my logbook, I now recall that I picked it up from the shop in time for a July '03 trip to Grand Cayman, where someone on the Dive 'N Stuff boat graciously showed me how to "pair" the bastard with its transmitter. This is a PITA process which must be repeated after each pairing with an Oxy 2, but usually works after about the 10th try. Next I brought it to Florida, where someone on Dave's friend's boat graciously showed me out to program the mix, confounding Lee who couldn't understand why someone would show up on a boat with gear they had no clue how to use. Which reminds me of another issue with the Uwatec: it starts to beep at "low air" which is factory set at 500 psi or somewhere around 700 psi if you're deeper. I tend to get my money's worth out of a tank, but it's embarrassing to be beeping throughout a safety stop. According to the ScubaPro rep, there's nothing you can do about it but beep. No way to turn it off. This got me some nasty glances from ESG, who obviously prefers to sit out his safety stop in Zen silence. (My strobe was also beeping at me, in harmony - why do they make dive gear so damn noisy?). Nowadays, I try to surface away from others, or hold the thing in my hand to attempt the muffle the beeps. Occasionally I'll even get out of the water with over 500 psi left just to avoid the damn noise. Since then, it's gone local diving only 10 times, a second trip to GC, Maui, Kona, Galapagos, Cancun, Cozumel, Cabo San Lucas, Cabo Pulmo, Kona, Thailand, and Puerto Rico, before it finally gave out sometime during my Cocos trip. It was still usable, but I had to remember my depth and time to give the DM after the dive (or else make up something that sounded good) because I couldn't access log mode without the middle button. Because changing the mix from 32 to 33 meant going all the way backward to 0 and then from 99 down to 33 (the middle button also serves to change mix in the other direction), I just left it set on 29 which all of my fills exceeded. It survived the beating of Galapagos, but in Cocos I had a top heavy video camera and was smashing that and my computer all over the place in the rather difficult conditions on several dives, hence how I probably lost the faceplate. Adding it up, that comes to 132 dives and just over two years before needing any sort of service, though I was promised that I would get 300 dives out of it before the battery needed changing. Truth be told, the battery still reported about 80% life. That's a nice change over Cochrans which need to be fed 4 AAs and 2 Ns just about every dive trip. >>>>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> http://www.leisurepro.com/Prod/ItemIndex_79/CategoryID_1985/Context_954/Sort_SKU /DescSort_0/UTCAAZO2.html > Which reminds me of another issue with the Uwatec: It's an Uwatec. That pretty much says it for me. >>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >> >> You were well on your way with 0# once... > > But I came back. http://diversdiscount.com/resources/frameset-cat.asp?cat=Computers The Oceanic 1.0 and VT pro are definate contenders. Anyone dive these? >>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >> >> You were well on your way with 0# once... > > But I came back. OMFG. Dacor has a computer called the "Darwin". Must a been a marketing fox pause, or a Jap translation thing. http://diversdiscount.com/resources/frameset-cat.asp?cat=Computers Aeris Atmos? >>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >> >> You were well on your way with 0# once... > > But I came back. Oooh. Spare Air on sale for 179. Anyone ever heard of "Worthington" steel tanks? >>>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Anyone ever heard of "Worthington" steel tanks? Formerly known as Heiser, Austria. Have a flat convex bottom with a definite edge. Lots heavier than other, Faber for instance. Draeger buys from them. Normally come sandblasted to SA3, then hot zinc sprayed, than laquered. They are willing to make your personal batch if you order about 60. Matthias > Formerly known as Heiser, Austria. Have a flat convex bottom with a > definite edge. Lots heavier than other, Faber for instance. Draeger buys > from them. Normally come sandblasted to SA3, then hot zinc sprayed, than > laquered. Ohhh, I know those hunks of sh.t. We had some at Diver's Supply, coudn't give 'em away. > They are willing to make your personal batch if you order about 60. Boat anchors. > > Formerly known as Heiser, Austria. Have a flat convex bottom with a > > definite edge. Lots heavier than other, Faber for instance. Draeger buys [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Boat anchors. They are building a new 3442psi cylinder range. Similar to the E8 series from PST. Supposed to be decent and may be worth a look. > > > Formerly known as Heiser, Austria. Have a flat convex bottom with a > > > definite edge. Lots heavier than other, Faber for instance. Draeger buys [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > They are building a new 3442psi cylinder range. Similar to the E8 > series from PST. Supposed to be decent and may be worth a look. Here's a link: http://xsscuba.com/tank_steel_specs.html >> > > Formerly known as Heiser, Austria. Have a flat convex bottom with a >> > > definite edge. Lots heavier than other, Faber for instance. Draeger [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Here's a link: > http://xsscuba.com/tank_steel_specs.html Thanks! > Thanks! You're welcome. The new Worthington tank range is also hot-dipped galvanized which has to be a bonus. Here's a better link with a pic and tables. The finish looks decent and buoyancy looks pretty good... http://www.divesports.com/mall/worthington_x8_130galv.asp I would definitely have a good look at these myself if I was replacing my 104s or my HP-100s or 120s. Waiting for PST to get their act together is a pain. Another danger with PST is their unstable financial condition. *All* 3442 cylinders are approved under a DOT exemption that has to be renewed (I believe) every two years. If its not renewed, (perhaps because the manufacturere just went titsup) you can't legally fill the cylinders at a commercial fill station. Hmmm, that sounds like fun. Also, Faber is bringing out a 3442psi range. Here's a couple of links: http://www.divenewswire.com/NewsITems.aspx?newsID=7548 http://www.northeastscubasupply.com/closeouts.html I believe these are the traditional Faber finish, not hot-dipped galvanized. Geo > Thanks! BTW, here's another thought on computers. I have an Aeris 500ai for single-tank open water which I love. It is air integrated, but doesn't have the failure risk of a wireless transponder for pressure. Its a fairly stupid machine in deco terms, however not too conservative and great for open water messing around. Large, clear display with backlight. This particular one has an integral compass and quick disconnect from the HP hose. http://www.diveaeris.com/500ai.html Its rigged to drop down my back, pass under my left shoulder and across my chest from left to right. It has a stainless bolt-snap (attached with a bit of cave line) to clip off on my right chest d-ring. The face sits against my chest and I just swivel it outwards to look at it or use the compass. Little risk of damaging the face as it sits against my wetsuit, plus you can buy a pretty tough clear plastic face protector that sticks on/peels off to protect the readout. No dangly bits, retains streamlining pretty well. It has been extremely reliable and batteries last a long time. Would be a bit more crap to cart around, but possibly more reliable than a wireless unit. I use a Suunto Stinger as a dive timer. Works fine as a watch too as its not too big. Gives a redundant computer if you really need one (not) and goes past 100M. ;) Geo >> Thanks! >> > BTW, here's another thought on computers. Thanks. I did look at them, but the gist is to minimalize. I'll have a computer anyway, so I can trade the hp hose and SPG for a sender. Putting back the hp hose and adding a console is going back the other way. (If the AIR2 didn't save me a hose, I was gonna lose the power inflater for straight manual) With the full knowledgen that there's a (minor) failure possibility, I'll be in the type of dives where it's not much of a consequence. I'm getting a speeeeeecial backplate, too... :-) > I have an Aeris 500ai for single-tank open water which I love. It is > air integrated, but doesn't have the failure risk of a wireless [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Geo If, by more than one gas, you mean more than one flavor of nitrox, check to see if Aeris or Dive Rite makes something with transmitter air integration. I have the Dive Rite Nytek Duo, which allows two gas dives, user switchable up to 100%. It's considerably more conservative than my Oceanic/Genesis computers, but not so conservative that I particularly mind. If they make something similar with a remote pressure sensor, it might be just what you're looking for at a price you don't mind paying. Lee > If, by more than one gas, you mean more than one flavor of nitrox, check > to see if Aeris or Dive Rite makes something with transmitter air [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mind. If they make something similar with a remote pressure sensor, it > might be just what you're looking for at a price you don't mind paying. Cost isn't an object. Infact, yer Dive Rite was what I was looking for, but, as far as I can tell, no transmitter models yet. I was considering a Vytec, so I can run the same download stuff, but that Oceanic 1.0 looks like it might fit the bill, and the Sunnto profile is starting to get aggravating. I think my Vyper is tits up. > Lee > With the full knowledgen that there's a (minor) failure possibility, I'll > be in the type of dives where it's not much of a consequence. HP hoses can fail too, whereby you lose not only your reading of available gas, but also lose available gas and make a lot of noise. Transmitters actually reduce a failure point. >>> I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) >> >> You were well on your way with 0# once... > > But I came back. I dunno, Greg, that D9 is pretty cool, why not a Vytec? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N2C5311FB > I dunno, Greg, that D9 is pretty cool, why not a Vytec? > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?N2C5311FB No compass on the Vytec. Plus, I'm a bit worried about the size of the display. My eye doctor recently warned me that I'll be getting older at some point and lose my perfect close-up vision. I'd hate to have to wear reading glasses underwater in order to see my gauge. Any day now, I'm going to break out the owner's manual and try it out, instead of waiting until I'm on the airplane like I usually do. I might even get in the pool with it. >> I dunno, Greg, that D9 is pretty cool, why not a Vytec? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > until I'm on the airplane like I usually do. I might even get in the pool > with it. I got a Vytec for two mreasons, 30% off at the LDS, and a readable display. My previous computer was a Nytek3, unreadable underwater, and too bulky. My first computer was a Dacor Nitrox hockey puck, which I still have and use from time to time. > Actually, it was in the plan. > > I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) So, with sidemount and a J-valve on each tank, you would have the equivalent of 1000 psi in a single tank... If you're not doing deco, that's plenty... If you *are* doing deco, you hung some more tanks on the down line anyway, right? If not, well, it's gonna be a *short* deco... >>> After using several computers, including the Cochran hoseles, I prefer a >>> bottom timer and the sh.t I know. Learn more sh.t. You can't lose it, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I can make it up from 90 ft on 300#, ask Limey. :-) They didn't mention the 100' tanks to you either, huh? JF Don't Get Stuck On Stupid >>>> After using several computers, including the Cochran hoseles, I prefer >>>> a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > They didn't mention the 100' tanks to you either, huh? It was all my fault. We had had a wee bit too much fun the night before. > JF > > Don't Get Stuck On Stupid > I guess we read it differently... It sounded to me like he was just wanting > a J-valve... I've got a few attached to my tanks, but I'm not givin' 'em > up... Sergio at www.internationaldivinginstitute.com has a box of brand new still in the wrapper J valves if anyone wants to buy some. >> I need a new computer. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > gasses. > al I'm ditching my SPG, hi pressure hose, and my secondary with it's hose. Unless "learn more sh.t" includes TPT, (tank pressure telepathy), I better get that other stuff. :-) > I'm ditching my SPG, hi pressure hose, and my secondary with it's hose. Easy enough to do... Go sidemount with J-valves... Forget about the SPGs and just put a single 2nd stage on each 1st stage... When it gets difficult to breath, you're down to 500 psi and it's either time to switch tanks or surface... > I'm ditching my SPG, hi pressure hose, and my secondary with it's hose. Ditching the secondary may cause you problems. Dive operators are kind of used to seeing them. Back in the 90s, I was frequently denied transportation because I didn't have one, a fact made a bit more obvious because I didn't have a BCD either. Lee >> I'm ditching my SPG, hi pressure hose, and my secondary with it's hose. > > Ditching the secondary may cause you problems. Dive operators are kind of > used to seeing them. Back in the 90s, I was frequently denied > transportation because I didn't have one, a fact made a bit more obvious > because I didn't have a BCD either. I got an AIR2. > Lee > I got an AIR2. I used the Oceanic version for years. I still have it hooked to my Oceanic BCD, which has been in the closet since 1999. It worked well with the jacket style bcd. When I went to a plate and wing, I tried a combo unit. I forget which brand, but it was one that had the right sized attachment to the wing. It didn't work out very well. To be practical and comfortable, the inflator hose had to be fairly long and the way the shoulder straps route on a plate, there was nothing in the right place to keep it under control. Whichever brand it was, the second stage itself was crap, so I didn't spend a lot of time trying to sort things out. I simply went with the flow, and the necklaced alternate. I've not been sorry so far. Lee >> I got an AIR2. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > spend a lot of time trying to sort things out. I simply went with the > flow, and the necklaced alternate. I've not been sorry so far. Gotta try new things. :-) > Lee > I need a new computer. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What do you like? Sounds like an Uwatec Bottom Timer to me Pops. Remote is your 24" HP hose mounted SPG, clipped to the Hip "D" ring. Don't ask which one. Air, Nitrox, Trimix, at least 6 gasses. Right wrist mounted, very legible display. Vision linked to the master module most of us have located between the ears. Curtis "Magilla" wrote: > Sounds like an Uwatec Bottom Timer to me Pops. Only problem is it won't read more than 100M... :) > What do you like? I like Uwatec's simple display, simple programming. But the wrist band has deteriorated and one of the buttons stopped working after barely a hundred dives on the thing. It's in the shop. Also it doesn't tell temperature and I really like to know how hot or cold I am on a particular dive. So I refer to my buddy's Cochran which fortunately comes on a retractor so I can stretch it over to me. She hates when I do that, but I really need to know the temperature. Cochrans have lots of features beyond telling the temperature. The Gemini can be programmed with up to three mixes. One problem about Cochrans, beyond their customer service and quality reputation, is that the tank unit is a huge brick that has to be strapped around a hose. The cord leading to it seems fragile, though I've yet to break one (I have broken two of their retractor cables, though); still, it seems like an unnecessary entanglement hazard or something. I don't like it. On the bright side, Cochrans offer the longest bottom time around. Uwatec is far more conservative, and I believe Suunto is worse than Uwatec. I still haven't figure out how to change the mix on the Gemini because I haven't needed to. I conservatively set my Uwatec on 29% (for boat mixes that range from 30-33) and I'll be a few minutes out of deco after multiple dives and the Gemini, left on air, shows more available NDC time. I'm getting my new toy wet in 13 days. The ultimate Swiss Army knife of the diving world, the amazing, one-and-only D9. So far so good. The transmitter is about the same size as the Uwatec, and I'll have a compass again, since I gave mine away along with the Cochran and have been too lazy to replace it. Best yet, it tells time underwater, so it will replace my 6-year-old $50 Casio after the band finally broke. And it tells the temperature. And it has a normal watch band instead of the lame elastic of the Uwatec. I'll let you know how it works out. >>What do you like? > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > temperature. And it has a normal watch band instead of the lame elastic of > the Uwatec. I'll let you know how it works out. You spent $50 on a casio?  Signature“No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy” Sun Tzu > I need a new computer. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What do you like? April 1 came early this year. Good thing you're headed east. Captain's log. On StarDate Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:02:21 -0400 received comm from "Doug Frederick" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> on channel rec.scuba: : What do you like? Suunto D9 Love it! http://www.suuntocampaigns.com/D9/ http://www.suunto.com/suunto/main/product_long.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=101341986 73944399&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=9852723697223379&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442491 968&bmUID=1129146919181 (hate those type of long URL's... sucks) Also good to have build in compass (always with you and easy to access when you need it, both over and under water). martin SignatureMartin Törnsten - http://martin.tornsten.com/ > I need a new computer. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What do you like? UWATEC bottom timer with the Homo Sapiens Mark 1 Model 0 dive computer. Or a G-shock and a depth guage. >I need a new computer. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >What do you like? I really dont like the transmitter types , wanted one myself till i dug deep for research any kind of electrical pulse strobe goin off anything like that is gonna disrupt the reading, if it needs to be wrist mounted check into aqualung/sunnto mosiquito new D9 or the vyper (not air intergrated) good air intergrated comp but not wrist mounted is the cobra propack get the quick disconect so you can store it safley. or look into the citizen watches tho not air intergrated but they are excellent computers. ewatec has some nice comps too tho I found them to have probs too.and when you ask about needs to work without the transmitter too you do know without the transmitter it wont give ya a air pressuer reading(correct anyway) >>I need a new computer. >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > wont > give ya a air pressuer reading(correct anyway) Yer a swell guy, but especially around here, one should always read the -complete- thread before posting... > Yer a swell guy, but especially around here, one should always read > the -complete- thread before posting... I tried out the D9 finally. Very nice, except for one problem. I'm in the habit of checking my air, then turning off the gas and purging the system until I'm ready to dive. That saves batteries when using a Cochran and as Cochrans love to gobble up batteries, it's necessary. That's always been fine with the Uwatec, because the Uwatec only requires a single pairing when first used (or after pairing with the Oxy2 mounted on a Draeger). However, the D9 (and maybe this is peculiar to all Suunto HL-AIs) wants to be paired whenever the air is turned on again. The problem is that it's not always me that turns on the air, since that's something that the meddlesome crew or DMs often like to do. Hence I'm not always within pairing distance of my tank when it's turned on. So that led to my twice having to realize at the bottom or on the way down that my pressure gauge read "OFF" rather than a number, requiring me to ascend, turn my air off, purge, and turn it back on before reascending. I suppose it may have let me do this underwater, but I'm not that brave. Yeah, I know: It's probably best to check one's tank contents before jumping in and descending, which would have let me in on the fact that I wasn't getting any reading from the sensor. But I've always figure that the air in the tank is going to be the same as when I last checked it and turned it off, barring some sort of audible leak. Now I have to get in the habit of making sure I'm getting a reading before I get in the water. Otherwise, it worked beautifully. Real easy to get additional information by pressing the lower left and right buttons, which cycle through psi, temp, ppO2, etc. Depth is clearly indicated with big numbers. Tank pressure and other data are in smaller numbers, but still easily readable. Alarms were unobtrusive after I set them to be as unobtrusive as possible. Nitrox mix was easy enough to set. And the compass function looks like it will work fine, though I didn't have a chance to really use it since I was following the DMs trail of divers. Best of all, since my Casio band broke, it functions as an everyday watch. I had it on in the hotel's hot tub and was able to tell not only the time and date, but also the water temperature. 103F! >> Yer a swell guy, but especially around here, one should always read >> the -complete- thread before posting... Sounds tight. Keep me posted on how the compass works, that might make the deal. > I tried out the D9 finally. Very nice, except for one problem. I'm in > the habit of checking my air, then turning off the gas and purging the [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > tub and was able to tell not only the time and date, but also the water > temperature. 103F! > I had it on in the hotel's hot tub and was able to tell not only the time > and date, but also the water temperature. 103F! Beware the temperature guage of wrist mounted devices. Your body temperature will often affect their accuracy. My Citizen HA, for example, consistently reads high in cold water thanks to the moderating effect of the heat in my wrist. Next time, check the temperature with the device on, then take it off and allow it to find the temperature again. If they agree, great. If not, you at least have an idea of how close you can expect it to be. FWIW, wearing the HA over my 3mm wetsuit seems to help. Lee |
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