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Scuba Forum / General / September 2005Wife scared to dive due to "Open Water" movie
We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving the reefs. My wife saw "Open Water" and is totally freaked out about joining me on the dives. How can I convince her? I don't feel like exploring all the amazing spots all by myself :-( I did do some research and seems there were no attacks there since 2002. We plan to stay in Grand Turk since I heard that it's less crowded than Provo? Does anyone know a good Scuba school there? Thanks Johhny > We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was > planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks > Johhny Convince her ?? If someone is freaked out by "Open Water", they shouldn't be diving. > > We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was > > planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Convince her ?? > If someone is freaked out by "Open Water", they shouldn't be diving. Absolutely. -- An American friend of mine - living in Canada - says that in the US, greed is acceptable but envy is a sin. In Canada it is just the opposite. I would suggest that envy is our national sport. And no one inspires more envy in us than our southern neighbor. It is a shame, because any legitimate gripes we may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying. > We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was > planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving > the reefs. My wife saw "Open Water" and is totally freaked out about > joining me on the dives. How can I convince her? I don't feel like > exploring all the amazing spots all by myself :-( "Jaws". Seriously, if she's afraid, she shouldn't dive. She could be claustro/acro/hydrophobic, and just not want to admit it. The movie is a good excuse to not have to tell you the underlying causes. There may not be any. She might just not want to dive. My wife will never dive; I accept this. If you're planning a dive trip with your wife for a honeymoon and she doesn't want to dive, you may want to rethink your itinerary. Plan your honeymoon, then honeymoon your plan... or something. It might be a good idea to take the courses locally, before the trip. That way you've got more time on the trip for doing other things. This may be important when you're the only one diving.  SignatureMagnus McElroy Electrical Engineer (EIT) HABIT Research (250) 381-9425 Johnny Thunders Jr. schrieb: > We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was > planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving > the reefs. My wife saw "Open Water" and is totally freaked out about > joining me on the dives. How can I convince her? I don't feel like > exploring all the amazing spots all by myself :-( From my experience with my wife I can tell you, you'll *never* convince her. I always stated that it's totally up to her whether she ever starts to dive. But I told her about my adventures and what I saw and she got curious. One day she came in the evening just before sunset and asked: »Can we arrange a try?« Since then, we dive together. This may or may not happen with your wife. You have to accept this. Oliver Ask her if she is ok with you dying and her being left alone because she was not there to watch over you. Hmm.. maybe she wants the insurance money? Might explore that angle a bit. ;-) > We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was > planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks > Johhny >We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was >planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving >the reefs. My wife saw "Open Water" and is totally freaked out about >joining me on the dives. How can I convince her? I don't feel like >exploring all the amazing spots all by myself :-( >Thanks >Johhny Take your girlfriend instead and call it a vacation? Rick Simms > Take your girlfriend instead and call it a vacation? Take 'em both and call it "an adventure"? >> Take your girlfriend instead and call it a vacation? > >Take 'em both and call it "an adventure"? In that case, take a video and post the trip report. Rick Simms > In that case, take a video and post the trip report. Yep, it should have all the requirements for a good movie... Wanton violence, death, destruction, and dismembering... Perhaps a bit of gratuitous sex even... >> Take your girlfriend instead and call it a vacation? > >Take 'em both and call it "an adventure"? Introduce them to each other and call it "suicide" Signaturedillon Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way of life. And a damn fine one, at that. > >> Take your girlfriend instead and call it a vacation? > > > >Take 'em both and call it "an adventure"? > > Introduce them to each other and call it "suicide" Does the phrase "Boy, I will snatch you bald!" mean anything to anyone else? Having nothing to do with Margaret Trudeau... Be sure to identify exactly what the fear is. Is it sharks, being lost at sea, or something else? Reason may not disperse fear, but it's a good start. Regardless, it cannot simply be ignored. If sharks, well, first everything in the movie to do with sharks is pure speculation added to make the movie more interesting. It's really about being abandoned thru neglect. FOr this, make sure you meet people on the boat, even agree to watch for each other before the boat leaves a site. One article says you have better odds of winning the Florida lottery than being attacked by a shark. For people living in the U.S., the risk of getting struck and killed by a bolt of lightning is 30 times greater than that of getting killed by a shark. Shark attack odds are 10 million to one. Even then, few of the attacks are on divers. I dive in Monterey Bay, which is known for great whites, but still consider the 70 mile drive there to be more dangerous than anything in the water. If you dig deeper,you will find that the 2002 attack was the first in Turks since 1968, and only the second on record since 1749. That's right, 1749. See http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/statistics/gattack/Caribbean.htm Perhaps this will help. Ken > We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was > planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks > Johhny > Be sure to identify exactly what the fear is. Is it sharks, being lost > at sea, or something else? Reason may not disperse fear, but it's a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > people on the boat, even agree to watch for each other before the boat > leaves a site. There are surefire ways to avoid this. Some boats use a system where everyone takes a tag to clip on their BCD before getting in the water, then the boat doesn't leave until all tags have been returned. If a boat doesn't do something like this, should you really be diving with them? >> Be sure to identify exactly what the fear is. Is it sharks, being lost >> at sea, or something else? Reason may not disperse fear, but it's a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> people on the boat, even agree to watch for each other before the boat >> leaves a site. > There are surefire ways to avoid this. Some boats use a system where > everyone takes a tag to clip on their BCD before getting in the water, > then the boat doesn't leave until all tags have been returned. If a boat > doesn't do something like this, should you really be diving with them? I suppose it depends on where you are and your tolerance for risk. We all have little sympathy for an operator that leaves a diver behind without knowing it. There's really not a lot of excuse. A simple roll call will take care of it. A tag system like you suggest, can work better, but can also lead to complacency by everyone involved. A liveaboard I used to use had a tag system that worked OK for ensuring everybody was aboard before the boat moved, but didn't ensure prompt discovery of a missing diver when the boat was not planning to move soon. The divers aboard didn't help much. They too got complacent about checking in and out. It never ceases to amaze me when somebody in Florida is found clinging to a light tower, buoy, etc. after 24 hours or more. All dive sites in southeast Florida are within a couple of miles of shore and, frankly, if you can't swim a couple of miles relatively easily using fins, I have to wonder whether you should be diving at all. Lee >> Be sure to identify exactly what the fear is. Is it sharks, being lost >> at sea, or something else? Reason may not disperse fear, but it's a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >then the boat doesn't leave until all tags have been returned. If a boat >doesn't do something like this, should you really be diving with them? By the way those are typically called "cattle boats" and I wouldn't recommend taking anyone on a cattle boat ever espcially a new diver on a second honeymoon. If you spend the money to go to Turks get a "fast boat" and do it right.If your DM can't count all four divers then you are a Darwin victim, not a dive victim. You cannot and should not 'convince ' anyone to dive. If your wife expresses an interest while you are in training see if you can arrange a one on one solo "discover diving" type of experience for her in confined water with an instructor. If she is reluctant to try that ,drop it. It has nothing to do with the movie but some other basic concern. SignatureCaptain Jim >We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was >planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Thanks >Johhny Aint gonna happen. I've tried to get my wife to try my race car in autocross, she won't even get in the cockpit. And nobody dies in AX. Signaturedillon Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way of life. And a damn fine one, at that. (snip) >Aint gonna happen. I've tried to get my wife to try my race car in >autocross, she won't even get in the cockpit. Hell, I can't even get mine to take the motorcycle course so she can ride my bike. Rick Simms > (snip) > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hell, I can't even get mine to take the motorcycle course so she can > ride my bike. My cousin bought a bike for himself and one for his wife. She was so keen, she took lessons. She failed. They just sold the last bike the other day. >We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was >planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving >the reefs. My wife saw "Open Water" and is totally freaked out about >joining me on the dives. How can I convince her? I don't feel like >exploring all the amazing spots all by myself :-( Nothing to it. Well, almost nothing. Start by reminding her that Open Water was a fictional account, in no way supported by known facts. Then, together, learn something about sharks. Visit the local discovery center or the like, read a few books and watch a few positive documentaries. There are a lot more positive documentaries around than negative ones. Also do some research on safe boats and ways divers can decrease the odds of being left behind and increase the odds of being spotted in the very, very rare event that you are left by the boat you came on. If it will help, tell her I said I've been diving in south Florida for 43 years and I've never even come close to being left behind. That's the serious part. Here's the fun part. Get a picture of a dive babe somewhere. They're not all that hard to find. Tell your wife that you've arranged for some diving while you're on vacation and, since your wife won't be diving, they set up a buddy for you. Then show her the picture. Be sure to be very clear and sincere when you tell her that you would much rather share the experience with her than some underdressed bimbo. If all else fails, dive with the bimbo. Lee <el snippo> > That's the serious part. Here's the fun part. Get a picture of a dive babe > somewhere. They're not all that hard to find. Tell your wife that you've [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > If all else fails, dive with the bimbo. Surrre. You forget many of us have met Jayna. You first, and be sure to have someone with a video camera nearby. Of course, if you show up in the red, white and blue speedos <shudder>... with her than some underdressed bimbo. >> If all else fails, dive with the bimbo. > > Surrre. > > You forget many of us have met Jayna. Jayna dives with me. I have no need for deceit. Besides, Jayna's quite secure. She's tell me to go ahead and dive with the Bimbo. > You first, and be sure to have someone with a video camera nearby. > Of course, if you show up in the red, white and blue speedos <shudder>... I wish I could find patriotic speedos in the slightly larger version. I recently had to settle for blue and black ones for my upcoming trip. The old ones were getting a bit old and, if it's possible, even less conservative than they started out. Lee > I wish I could find patriotic speedos in the slightly larger version. I > recently had to settle for blue and black ones for my upcoming trip. The > old ones were getting a bit old and, if it's possible, even less > conservative than they started out. http://www.webundies.com/flags.htm Bang. Done. I didn't see any speedos on the page. The whole point that led to wearing speedos is that they work well under dive skins and wetsuits. Lee >> I wish I could find patriotic speedos in the slightly larger version. I >> recently had to settle for blue and black ones for my upcoming trip. The [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Done. >I didn't see any speedos on the page. The whole point that led to wearing >speedos is that they work well under dive skins and wetsuits. Naked works well too, but we all have to make compromises. Most of us feel you don't compromise enough. > >I didn't see any speedos on the page. The whole point that led to wearing > >speedos is that they work well under dive skins and wetsuits. > > Naked works well too, but we all have to make compromises. Most of us feel > you don't compromise enough. Friends don't let friends wear speedos. > Naked works well too, but we all have to make compromises. Most of us > feel you don't compromise enough. Speedos are the compromise. > I wish I could find patriotic speedos in the slightly larger version. I > recently had to settle for blue and black ones for my upcoming trip. The > old ones were getting a bit old and, if it's possible, even less > conservative than they started out. Gotta hate those "liberal" speedos. ""Magilla"" wrote >> I wish I could find patriotic speedos in the slightly larger version. I >> recently had to settle for blue and black ones for my upcoming trip. The >> old ones were getting a bit old and, if it's possible, even less >> conservative than they started out. > > Gotta hate those "liberal" speedos. Good point. It's tough being a conservative who thinks George W is one of the worst Presidents the country has ever seen. Lee > ""Magilla"" wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Good point. It's tough being a conservative who thinks George W is one of > the worst Presidents the country has ever seen. He'd be even worse if he wore Speedos. > I wish I could find patriotic speedos in the slightly larger version. I > recently had to settle for blue and black ones for my upcoming trip. The > old ones were getting a bit old and, if it's possible, even less > conservative than they started out. OK... Quick search on google gives me the following: Jayna... http://www.theoutdoorstores.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code= MC061&Category_Code=r_f&Product_Count=0 http://www.theoutdoorstores.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/MC061_2.jpg Trunks... http://www.theoutdoorstores.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/MC064_2.jpg Breifs (US, Texas, and Rebel flag version available).. http://www.bathsheba69.com/mens/MT74.jpg The briefs on the page you recommended are similar to what i already have, too brief for a 57 year old man, even one as handsome as me. Lee >> I wish I could find patriotic speedos in the slightly larger version. I >> recently had to settle for blue and black ones for my upcoming trip. The [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Breifs (US, Texas, and Rebel flag version available).. > http://www.bathsheba69.com/mens/MT74.jpg > The briefs on the page you recommended are similar to what i already have, > too brief for a 57 year old man, even one as handsome as me. Nawh, I suspect they were even briefer... <grin> > with> I wish I could find patriotic speedos in the slightly larger version. I > recently had to settle for blue and black ones for my upcoming trip. The > old ones were getting a bit old and, if it's possible, even less > conservative than they started out. Do ya mean to say that your old ones were getting so tight they started to make you black and blue? > Do ya mean to say that your old ones were getting so tight they started to > make you black and blue? I should be so well endowed. Actually, they have stretched over the years to accommodate my ever increasing girth. I've been on a diet for the last few months and have lost about 20 lbs. The problem is not that they are too tight. Quite the opposite. Lee > > Do ya mean to say that your old ones were getting so tight they started to > > make you black and blue? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > about 20 lbs. The problem is not that they are too tight. Quite the > opposite. In other words, now they present *way* too much information. > In other words, now they present *way* too much information. Expose is a better wrod than present. >>We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was >>planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Nothing to it. Well, almost nothing. Start by reminding her that Open Misattribution. Signaturedillon Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way of life. And a damn fine one, at that. > We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was > planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving > the reefs. My wife saw "Open Water" and is totally freaked out about > joining me on the dives. How can I convince her? I don't feel like > exploring all the amazing spots all by myself :-( The first >real< question is if she's really interested in diving, or she wasn't really interested, but was willing to give it a try because you were interested, but the movie has now given her more reservations. Because personal interests will vary, you have to accept the possibility that she's not particularly interested in herself having a hobby of scuba diving...and one can see how this can create marital stress. The next real question is that if she really is independently interested in diving, if she's ever had any applicable fears...this is the "Open Water" movie trigger. For example, how has she been around water...or more specifically, sea water (where dangerous stuff swims around in). For example, how has she responded to this year's media reports of the Florida shark attacks? Also be aware that claustrophobia can be a factor too. FYI, sharks are a very common fear amongst nondivers and most novice divers too, until you actually are lucky enough to have a couple of encounters while diving...as an apex predator, sharks generally require many miles of ocean each to hunt over, so the odds of seeing a classical pelagic-type shark on a random dive are generally pretty low. -hh Thus spake H Huntzinger <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba2005@huntzinger.com> : >> We are planning a (2nd honeymoon) trip to Turks and Caicos. I was >> planning to get certified and spend the bulk of our time there diving >> the reefs. My wife saw "Open Water" and is totally freaked out about >> joining me on the dives. How can I convince her? I don't feel like >> exploring all the amazing spots all by myself :-( <snip> >FYI, sharks are a very common fear amongst nondivers and most novice >divers too, until you actually are lucky enough to have a couple of >encounters while diving...as an apex predator, sharks generally require >many miles of ocean each to hunt over, so the odds of seeing a classical >pelagic-type shark on a random dive are generally pretty low. We once saw a blue shark while diving the back side of Molokini. Our DM was excited to see it, and she was doing 2 dives a day, 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year. >-hh Signaturedillon Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way of life. And a damn fine one, at that. <piggybacking on Dillon's msg, since I missed the original> >>> My wife saw "Open Water" and is totally freaked out about >>>joining me on the dives. How can I convince her? Don't. Just have her ride along as a passenger. You'll save money, and if the boat tries to leave without you she'll probably notice and say something. > I don't feel like >>>exploring all the amazing spots all by myself :-( Don't worry. There will be other people on the boat. Maybe *a lot* of other people. Maybe one of them will be a woman who isn't scared by a little bit of Hollywood BS. SignatureSteve The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable belief that it was intended as a statement of fact. If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address. She is scared of being left behind and eaten by sharks. Proposes that we go snorkeling or take a glass bottom boat cruise instead. I like snorkeling too but want too explore some deeper and more interesting spots. Eventually I want to try some underwater spear fishing (seems like loads of fun). I told her about the odds of shark attacks, but like most women, reason means nothing to her. Since it's our 2nd Honeymoon, I don't really want to be a prick and leave her on the beach while I dive all day. Are there dive trips where there are activities for "spectators"? I think if there were a couple of other wifes she can yap with all day, she'll be happy. Thanks Johhny > She is scared of being left behind and eaten by sharks. Proposes that > we go snorkeling or take a glass bottom boat cruise instead. I like > snorkeling too but want too explore some deeper and more interesting > spots. Eventually I want to try some underwater spear fishing (seems > like loads of fun). Of course, if you want to increase your odds of being eaten by a shark then spearing fish so they bleed and thrash around in the water is a great way to attract them. >> She is scared of being left behind and eaten by sharks. Proposes that >> we go snorkeling or take a glass bottom boat cruise instead. I like [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > then spearing fish so they bleed and thrash around in the water is a great > way to attract them. Very good and increasingly certain way. Lee > She is scared of being left behind and eaten by sharks. Proposes that > we go snorkeling or take a glass bottom boat cruise instead. I like > snorkeling too but want too explore some deeper and more interesting > spots. Eventually I want to try some underwater spear fishing (seems > like loads of fun). It is, but it's expensive and difficult. > I told her about the odds of shark attacks, but like most women, reason > means nothing to her. Bad attitude given your goal. You just haven't hit on the right reasons. > Since it's our 2nd Honeymoon, I don't really want to be a prick and leave > her on the beach while I dive all day. Are > there dive trips where there are activities for "spectators"? I think if > there were a couple of other wifes she can yap > with all day, she'll be happy. More bad attitude. If you don't want to be a prick on your second honeymoon, don't be. A honeymoon, first or second, is supposed to be about doing things together. Do something you both enjoy and schedule your dive trip for another time. Lee > Do something you both enjoy and schedule your dive > trip for another time. I've found that it seems that I end up having to compromise and put up with Grace's idea of a 'vacation'... Best vacation that I had recently was the trip I made to Florida awhile back without her... That was the one that Greg chickened out on and didn't get the opportunity to step on a manatee... Unfortunately, Grace showed up after I had been enjoying myself for a week and the 'vacation' definitely went downhill from that point... All in all, there's probably very few things that Grace and I both like... > > Do something you both enjoy and schedule your dive > > trip for another time. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and the 'vacation' definitely went downhill from that point... All in all, > there's probably very few things that Grace and I both like... Do you, at least, like each other? > Do you, at least, like each other? She actually says that she *loves* me, but doesn't *like* me... I haven't quite figured that one out yet... With respect to my 'feelings', well ... I'm a guy ... I don't have 'feelings' PERIOD... Yeah, I guess that makes me cold and insensitive in addtion to being an obnoxious sociopathic a.shole, but one does what one is good at, I guess... > > Do you, at least, like each other? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cold and insensitive in addtion to being an obnoxious sociopathic a.shole, > but one does what one is good at, I guess... No wonder she doesn't *like* you. She's probably annoyed with herself that she even *loves* you. Especially, when you freely admit that you don't have any feelings. All that said, I'm willing to wager that you love her, more than she loves you. hee hee > No wonder she doesn't *like* you. She's probably annoyed with herself that > she even *loves* you. Especially, when you freely admit that you don't have > any feelings. I guess I wasn't completely accurate on not having any sort of feelings... I might like someone but that is about as good of a positive feeling that I might have... On the other side, I am pretty fuckin' good at 'hating'... > All that said, I'm willing to wager that you love her, more than she loves > you. hee hee Sorry, but I can't even define the word... As far as Grace goes, I haven't found anyone else that I would rather annoy for the rest of my life, so there's something there, I'm just not sure what it would be called... <grin> -- "All families are dysfunctional -- some just more than others" > > No wonder she doesn't *like* you. She's probably annoyed with herself > that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > might like someone but that is about as good of a positive feeling that I > might have... On the other side, I am pretty fuckin' good at 'hating'... LOL. > > All that said, I'm willing to wager that you love her, more than she loves > > you. hee hee > > Sorry, but I can't even define the word... As far as Grace goes, I haven't > found anyone else that I would rather annoy for the rest of my life, so > there's something there, I'm just not sure what it would be called... <grin> As I said, sounds like love to me. > As I said, sounds like love to me. You're got a weird definition of it then... Let's just say that it's not an Ozzie & Harriet type of relationship... <snicker> > > As I said, sounds like love to me. > > You're got a weird definition of it then... In that case, you seem to have a weird idea of why people usually get and/or stay married. > Let's just say that it's not an Ozzie & Harriet type of relationship... > <snicker> Knowing you as I do, I couldn't imagine it being so. > In that case, you seem to have a weird idea of why people usually get and/or > stay married. Because they're too lazy to look for something possibly better? <snicker> Grace told her youngest sister once, "Quit looking for Mr. Right -- look for Mr. Right Now"... I suggested that maybe she should just look for Mr. Not-so-bad"... > > In that case, you seem to have a weird idea of why people usually get > and/or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Mr. Right Now"... I suggested that maybe she should just look for Mr. > Not-so-bad"... Who? Grace or her younger sister ;-) > Who? Grace or her younger sister ;-) She was talking about her younger sister, but it might very well be from personal experience... <grin> >> As I said, sounds like love to me. > > You're got a weird definition of it then... > > Let's just say that it's not an Ozzie & Harriet type of relationship... I thought Ozzie was married to Sharon??? LD. >>> As I said, sounds like love to me. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >LD. Are you really that young? Or am I that old? Signaturedillon Pain is Nature's way of saying "that was stupid" >>>> As I said, sounds like love to me. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Are you really that young? Or am I that old? Mebbe both. The show was before my time, but remember I wouldn't have seen it anyway, I didn't grow up in the States. Dave. > She actually says that she *loves* me, but doesn't *like* me... I haven't > quite figured that one out yet... It's a lot like the defining moment when an addict realizes that their favorite drug is bad for them, but they haven't quite hit rock bottom and decided to enter rehab. SignatureSteve The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable belief that it was intended as a statement of fact. If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address. > It's a lot like the defining moment when an addict realizes that their favorite drug > is bad for them, but they haven't quite hit rock bottom and decided to enter rehab. So, you're saying that I'm addicting? Uhhh... Thanks, I think... > She is scared of being left behind and eaten by sharks. Proposes that > we go snorkeling or take a glass bottom boat cruise instead. I like [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > if there were a couple of other wifes she can yap with all day, she'll > be happy. I suggest a nice shore-diving locale like Bonaire or Curacao. Then you're rarely more than touching distance from land. As new divers, you wouldn't be out there all alone, but rather with a large group. Sharks don't attack people in groups. They always wait until a couple straggles off alone, then they close in for the kill. Just remember, it might not be other wifes she's yapping with all day, but the cabana boys instead. Savvy women abandoned on the beach during their second honeymoons can rustle up alternative romantic activities in a heartbeat. >>She is scared of being left behind and eaten by sharks. Proposes that >>we go snorkeling or take a glass bottom boat cruise instead. I like [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > people in groups. They always wait until a couple straggles off alone, then > they close in for the kill. Yes, but sharks have been known to board dive boats in pairs pretending to be returning divers to fool the divemaster during headcounts. Then when the boat leaves they slip back overboard and return to the, now stranded, divers. >She is scared of being left behind and eaten by sharks. Proposes that >we go snorkeling or take a glass bottom boat cruise instead. I like [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Thanks >Johhny Carol wasn't able to dive on our last trip (cruise) to Cozumel, nor the end of our trip there after Thanksgiving. Something about wanting to hear. So she went shopping. Three days of unsupervised shopping with a $25,000 credit card. Signaturedillon Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way of life. And a damn fine one, at that. > So she went shopping. Three days of unsupervised shopping with a > $25,000 credit card. Fortunately it was in Mexico so you can tell your credit card company that the charges must be fraudulent. You can make this claim honestly if you can convince yourself that your wife faked the ear problems so she could go shopping. > She is scared of being left behind and eaten by sharks. Proposes that > we go snorkeling or take a glass bottom boat cruise instead. I like [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > if there were a couple of other wifes she can yap with all day, she'll > be happy. Be absolutely certain to feed some of your catch to the circling sharks. After all, you wouldn't want a school of hungry sharks circling you in a blood-rich environment would you? But then, I'm only a yapping wife who does not listen to reason, so what do I know....... * "are you a princess? i said. and she said i'm much more than a princess but you don't have a name for it yet here on earth." > Thanks > Johhny > Be absolutely certain to feed some of your catch to the circling > sharks. After all, you wouldn't want a school of hungry sharks circling > you in a blood-rich environment would you? > > But then, I'm only a yapping wife who does not listen to reason, so > what do I know....... OK, OK, maybe "yap" was not the best word to use. Good point about spear fishing. (Didn't make the blood/shark connection right away. I've seen guys doing this off the coast of Maine and I guess there are no sharks there). JT > I told her about the odds of shark attacks, but like most women, reason > means nothing to her. What an a.shole. >Since it's our 2nd Honeymoon, I don't really want > to be a prick and leave her on the beach while I dive all day. Are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks > Johhny -- An American friend of mine - living in Canada - says that in the US, greed is acceptable but envy is a sin. In Canada it is just the opposite. I would suggest that envy is our national sport. And no one inspires more envy in us than our southern neighbor. It is a shame, because any legitimate gripes we may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying. Let me give you a twist on "Open Water" gang -- due to diving, I'm afraid to see the movie! :-) OK, only kidding. I'm sure it's a good lesson movie spotlighting the errors the people made to get themselves into that situation. redcat > Let me give you a twist on "Open Water" gang -- due to diving, I'm > afraid to see the movie! :-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > redcat P.S. Just requested it from my local library. The system has 23 copies and a list of 156 people ahead of me who have also requested it. >> Let me give you a twist on "Open Water" gang -- due to diving, I'm afraid >> to see the movie! :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > P.S. Just requested it from my local library. The system has 23 copies and > a list of 156 people ahead of me who have also requested it. I played it on FF, it was boring even then. I've been spearfishing off Volusia County for 20 years. Not once has a shark tried to steal my catch. I used to be afraid of sharks until I went for my NITROX checkout dive in West Palm. The dive master said she was more afraid of barracuda than of the sharks she sees on a regular basis. I said I'd rather swim with barracuda. In any event, unless a bull or a tiger shark comes ones way I wouldn't worry. My wife once dove within a school of hammerheads, awesome! >>> Let me give you a twist on "Open Water" gang -- due to diving, I'm afraid >>> to see the movie! :-) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >In any event, unless a bull or a tiger shark comes ones way I wouldn't >worry. My wife once dove within a school of hammerheads, awesome! The only times I've been upset about seeing a shark were 1) when we saw a bull while in Belize 2) when we saw a large shark off Maui where a woman had been taken the day before by a tiger. And cuda don't scare me. I just don't piss them off. Signaturedillon Pain is Nature's way of saying "that was stupid" > >In any event, unless a bull or a tiger shark comes ones way I wouldn't > >worry. My wife once dove within a school of hammerheads, awesome! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And cuda don't scare me. I just don't piss them off. I've been in the Blue Hole a number of times and have seen sharks on every trip. As well as seeing them at depth, they often circle quite close to us while we do our safety stop. My first experience started right after I dropped into the water off of the boat. I was still at the surface, looked down and there was a big one lazily passing beneath me, no more than 10-15' down. It paid me no mind at all. One of my more recent experiences was quite a bit more exciting. We had just begun our ascent from the stalactites and I spied a beauty out in the water column. I was shining my flashlight up and down the length of him. It turned towards me and began to swim my way. I flicked off my light and started to swim away with the group, but my spidey senses were tingling. I turned, and there it was coming up behind me. I went vertical in the water and watched it approach, with my heart thudding in my chest. It passed ever so slooowly, no more than a foot beneath my fin tips, first its snout, then its eyes, then its dorsal. Then . . . it was gone. In relief and wonder I turned back to the group, most of whom had been watching the scene unfold as well. As if nothing remarkable had occurred, we carried on with our gradual ascent up the wall. After the safety stop and upon surfacing, I yelled out "Again, Again!! I want to do it again!!" (BIG GRIN) My dive buddy told me that he was very jealous and that he wished it had happened to him. Ruefully, I was thinking that I wished it had happened to him too. LOL. While diving in the Cook Islands, I was stopped in the water column watching a couple of sharks circling inside a large swim through. One of the sharks suddenly broke off and began approaching me. Half of my mind was screaming "swim away, swim away", the other half was screaming "I'm not turning my back on a shark that is swimming for me". I don't know if it was just curious, or trying to warn me off. In any event, I vented my BC a bit and the sound of the escaping air sent the shark shooting off in another direction . . .I'm happy to report. Other than that, we saw many reef sharks on that trip and got quite close to a number of them. As a rule, you don't bother them and they won't bother you. In other areas, I've been diving with hammerheads, leopard sharks, etc. Awesome, awesome and as a rule, I don't feel fear, just exhilaration. As for barracuda, while somewhat wary, I'm rarely scared of them either. Many years ago now, I did have a small one come up behind me and chomp down on one of my fins. We had a little struggling match. I still don't know what that was all about and still glad it wasn't a big one. > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > it was gone. [snip] > As for barracuda, while somewhat wary, I'm rarely scared of them either. > Many years ago now, I did have a small one come up behind me and chomp down > on one of my fins. We had a little struggling match. I still don't know > what that was all about and still glad it wasn't a big one. Hey, chilly, what do you think attracts these fish to you? The flashlight for sure. But the barracuda? What color are your fins? I once read that sharks are attracted by International Orange which is sometimes known as "yum-yum yellow". I never wear anything in the range of yellow - orange whilst diving! redcat > > no more than a foot beneath my fin tips, first its snout, then its eyes, > > then its dorsal. Then . . . [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hey, chilly, what do you think attracts these fish to you? The > flashlight for sure. In the one instance in the Blue Hole, there's no doubt that I got the shark's attention with my flashlight, but I didn't have my flashlight on any of the other times. >But the barracuda? You've got me. Like I said, still don't have a clue what would have made it behave that way. Perhaps it was shadowing me as they are wont to do and got bumped on the noggin? >What color are your fins? Back in those days, they were pink. :^) > I once read that sharks are attracted by International Orange which is > sometimes known as "yum-yum yellow". I never wear anything in the range > of yellow - orange whilst diving! I've heard that too, but know lots of divers with plenty of yellow on their suits that haven't had as much "fun with sharks" as I have had. I have a Mares suit that has yellow strips on the arms and thighs. > redcat >>I once read that sharks are attracted by International Orange which is >>sometimes known as "yum-yum yellow". I never wear anything in the range [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > suits that haven't had as much "fun with sharks" as I have had. I have a > Mares suit that has yellow strips on the arms and thighs. You live dangerously! ;-) redcat > >>I once read that sharks are attracted by International Orange which is > >>sometimes known as "yum-yum yellow". I never wear anything in the range [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > You live dangerously! ;-) That yellow business is just a myth. If it were proven, why would any dive suit company ever put any yellow on any of their suits? Not to mention that I bought the suit before I ever heard the myth. ;^) >>>>I once read that sharks are attracted by International Orange which is >>>>sometimes known as "yum-yum yellow". I never wear anything in the range [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > That yellow business is just a myth. If it were proven, why would any dive > suit company ever put any yellow on any of their suits? They put on the yellow for people who haven't heard of the myth, or don't believe it AND like yellow! > Not to mention that I bought the suit before I ever heard the myth. ;^) See, proof of statement one! My lime green fins look yellow at depth. Maybe I should go for pink? ;-) redcat > My lime green fins look yellow at depth. Maybe I should go for pink? ;-) Sure, why not? That is, if you don't mind the frilled barracuda bite pattern on the fin tip. >>My lime green fins look yellow at depth. Maybe I should go for pink? ;-) > > Sure, why not? That is, if you don't mind the frilled barracuda bite > pattern on the fin tip. The little guy actually took a bite out? redcat > >>My lime green fins look yellow at depth. Maybe I should go for pink? ;-) > > > > Sure, why not? That is, if you don't mind the frilled barracuda bite > > pattern on the fin tip. > > > The little guy actually took a bite out? No . . .just a couple of slight indents. I was just going for the written visual. ;^) >>>I once read that sharks are attracted by International Orange which is >>>sometimes known as "yum-yum yellow". I never wear anything in the range [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > You live dangerously! ;-) No sh.t! She vacations with Greg. LD. <snip> >As for barracuda, while somewhat wary, I'm rarely scared of them either. >Many years ago now, I did have a small one come up behind me and chomp down >on one of my fins. We had a little struggling match. I still don't know >what that was all about and still glad it wasn't a big one. More than a few years ago (while it was still good diving) we were off Key West. I was watching a school (wolf pack?) of barracuda when I felt something bump into me. Carol said it was about a two foot cuda and that we both moved away from each other at "maximum military". Signaturedillon Pain is Nature's way of saying "that was stupid" >>>> Let me give you a twist on "Open Water" gang -- due to diving, I'm >>>> afraid [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > And cuda don't scare me. I just don't piss them off. I've only ever pissed off *one* intentionally. It was prolly the most aggresive (or inquisitive) one I ever came across and prolly among the biggest. Kept coming up reeeal close at every opportunity while I was diving the wheelhouse of his wreck/ home, from all directions too. I finally grabbed at the wire leader that dangled from a big hook lodged firmly in the side of his mouth and he left me alone after that. LD. <snip> >> And cuda don't scare me. I just don't piss them off. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >grabbed at the wire leader that dangled from a big hook lodged firmly in the >side of his mouth and he left me alone after that. Then there was Capt Slate, who used to feed barracuda from his mouth. How many stiches did he wind up getting? >LD. Signaturedillon Pain is Nature's way of saying "that was stupid" > Then there was Capt Slate, who used to feed barracuda from his mouth. > How many stiches did he wind up getting? <cough> Remember the old Saturday Night Live skit, where Dan Aykroyd is explaining how "you should never feed marshmallows to a bear like this;" And then puts the marshmallow in whats left of his lips on the squished side of his face? > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Then there was Capt Slate, who used to feed barracuda from his mouth. > How many stiches did he wind up getting? Glad you reminded me. I'll bear that story in mind in case we get to meet him on our next trip down. Mebbe I'll bring a can of herrings. LD. > Then there was Capt Slate, who used to feed barracuda from his mouth. > How many stiches did he wind up getting? Not enough? >>>Let me give you a twist on "Open Water" gang -- due to diving, I'm afraid >>>to see the movie! :-) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > West Palm. The dive master said she was more afraid of barracuda than of the > sharks she sees on a regular basis. I said I'd rather swim with barracuda. I see plenty of both off STT/ STJ. All I do is cover my watch so as not to attract them closer with anything shiny (whilst at times our dive master would take out his knife and flash the blade *in order* to attract the critters). One time we came across the nurse shark that appeared to be the size of an LTD. She said, "go away, I'm trying to sleep." redcat >> Let me give you a twist on "Open Water" gang -- due to diving, I'm >> afraid to see the movie! :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > P.S. Just requested it from my local library. The system has 23 copies > and a list of 156 people ahead of me who have also requested it. Never heard of Bit-torrent? >>> Let me give you a twist on "Open Water" gang -- due to diving, I'm >>> afraid to see the movie! :-) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Never heard of Bit-torrent? Actually, no... am I going to feel dumb, now?? redcat >>>> Let me give you a twist on "Open Water" gang -- due to diving, I'm >>>> afraid to see the movie! :-) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Actually, no... am I going to feel dumb, now?? Probably the best movie file sharing protocol at the moment - should get you a download of Open Water within 12 hours. >>>>> Let me give you a twist on "Open Water" gang -- due to diving, I'm >>>>> afraid to see the movie! :-) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Probably the best movie file sharing protocol at the moment - should get > you a download of Open Water within 12 hours. Oh, thanks. Now I can look it up & see if it's for me. I don't mind getting stuff at the library. It comes through 90% of the time. redcat > Probably the best movie file sharing protocol at the moment - should get > you a download of Open Water within 12 hours. Isn't that theft? Why do they call it file sharing when it's really file stealing, or file fencing at the least? You don't need to see the movie.... A couple goes on a diving trip and gets left behind due to miscount. The wife proceeds to bitch for the next 90 minutes to her husband and eventually both are eaten by sharks. End of movie. The only watchable part occurs within the first 10 minutes when they show her great looking breasts as she gets off the bed. Johhny > You don't need to see the movie.... > > A couple goes on a diving trip and gets left behind due to miscount. > The wife proceeds to bitch for the next 90 minutes to her husband and > eventually both are eaten by sharks. End of movie. Trust me, the sharks did the guy a favor. I'da killed her long before that. > The only watchable part occurs within the first 10 minutes when they > show her great looking breasts as she gets off the bed. > Johhny > Why do they call it file sharing when it's really file stealing, or file > fencing at the least? At most it would be "receiving stolen property"... Of course, one would have to argue that the recipient knew that it was stolen in the first place... So, what does this mean when the person giving you the file actually owns the source from which the file was made? Hmmm... The FFs didn't mention this, so it must be legal... Works for me... > > Why do they call it file sharing when it's really file stealing, or file > > fencing at the least? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the source from which the file was made? Hmmm... The FFs didn't mention > this, so it must be legal... Works for me... Go reread the sections on copyright & patents. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article01/ article 1, section 8. To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; Dennis > Go reread the sections on copyright & patents. > http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article01/ > article 1, section 8. > To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited > Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective > Writings and Discoveries; How dare you try to bring facts into this discussion! Hmmm... I had thought that copyright law came some time after the Constitution... Oh well, my memory's kind of fuzzy on things back then -- I was rather young at the time... > > Go reread the sections on copyright & patents. > > http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article01/ [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Constitution... Oh well, my memory's kind of fuzzy on things back then -- I > was rather young at the time... Nah, copyrights have been around for some time. http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/resources/copyright/history.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright Take Sep 17th, the Robert Byrd (D, W. Va) Constitution Day, to review. Its more than just the second amendment ;-) Dnnis Thus spake "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> : >> > Go reread the sections on copyright & patents. >> > http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article01/ [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Take Sep 17th, the Robert Byrd (D, W. Va) Constitution Day, to review. >Its more than just the second amendment ;-) bullshit. There's The Second and then a bunch of other stuff. :-) >Dnnis Signaturedillon Pain is Nature's way of saying "that was stupid" >>Probably the best movie file sharing protocol at the moment - should get >>you a download of Open Water within 12 hours. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why do they call it file sharing when it's really file stealing, or file > fencing at the least? Isn't copyright law oppression? Isn't objectivity really just the subjectivity of the powerful? More to the point, if you download a movie that you'd never dream of actually going to see or renting, should you waste time worrying about the moral implications? > >>Probably the best movie file sharing protocol at the moment - should get > >>you a download of Open Water within 12 hours. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Why do they call it file sharing when it's really file stealing, or file > > fencing at the least? <snip> > More to the point, if you download a movie that you'd never dream of > actually going to see or renting, should you waste time worrying about > the moral implications? Yes. Dennis >>>>Probably the best movie file sharing protocol at the moment - should get >>>>you a download of Open Water within 12 hours. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Yes. Ok, you worry about the moral implications for me. I'll just try to enjoy the movie. >>>>> Probably the best movie file sharing protocol at the moment - >>>>> should get [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Ok, you worry about the moral implications for me. I'll just try to > enjoy the movie. and enjoy being a thief > >>>>Probably the best movie file sharing protocol at the moment - should get > >>>>you a download of Open Water within 12 hours. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Ok, you worry about the moral implications for me. I'll just try to > enjoy the movie. Nah, I'll keep track of my own behavior. You be responsible for yours. Would you enjoy someone stealing your work? I take it you don't work in the commercial software industry, or as an artist creating someth |
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