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Scuba Forum / General / July 2005Spiegel Grove "Uprighted by Dennis"
The South Florida News media is reporting that the Spiegel Grove has been uprighted by Hurricane Dennis. Anyone have any new pictures of this yet? DM Dave floridascubadiver.com > The South Florida News media is reporting that the Spiegel Grove has been > uprighted by Hurricane Dennis. > Anyone have any new pictures of this yet? > > DM Dave > floridascubadiver.com Apparently it has been uprighted or this is a terribly mis-timed April Fools joke. http://keysnews.com/283747084380716.bsp.htm  SignatureI have never met a liberal street cop. "nitespark" wrote in message... >> The South Florida News media is reporting that the Spiegel Grove has been >> uprighted by Hurricane Dennis. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://keysnews.com/283747084380716.bsp.htm Here are a few more links to sites that have more info on the Spiegel Grove and its new position. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/outdoors/12111453.htm http://www.captainslate.com/ http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/gen/ap/FL_Dennis_Spiegel_Grove.html http://www.keylargodiving.com/ DM Dave floridascubadiver.com > The South Florida News media is reporting that the Spiegel Grove has been > uprighted by Hurricane Dennis. > Anyone have any new pictures of this yet? > > DM Dave > floridascubadiver.com You couldn't right the Grove with an A-Bomb. -- An American friend of mine - living in Canada - says that in the US, greed is acceptable but envy is a sin. In Canada it is just the opposite. I would suggest that envy is our national sport. And no one inspires more envy in us than our southern neighbor. It is a shame, because any legitimate gripes we may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying. > You couldn't right the Grove with an A-Bomb. ...and a hurricane is many times more powerful than an A-Bomb. dan@scuba-training.net http://www.scuba-training.net > > You couldn't right the Grove with an A-Bomb. > > ...and a hurricane is many times more powerful than an A-Bomb. They sure can be, 'cept hurricanes dont have the thermal pulse... A-bomb or not, it does appear that she's now upright: www.spiegelgrove.com/ Can you imagine witnessing that underwater? Most of her rudder and her props are buried in the sand. And I never got to see them... Benedict. >> The South Florida News media is reporting that the Spiegel Grove has been >> uprighted by Hurricane Dennis. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > we > may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying. > A-bomb or not, it does appear that she's now upright: > www.spiegelgrove.com/ > > Can you imagine witnessing that underwater? Having lived through a couple of major earthquakes, I have no desire to for a front row seat when Mother Nature exerts that much force. Man invented remote cameras for a reason :-) > Most of her rudder and her props are buried in the sand. And I never got to > see them... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > we > > may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying. > A-bomb or not, it does appear that she's now upright: > www.spiegelgrove.com/ You need to get off the Glass, Brother, Post a picture of the "upright" Grove when you get a minute. We seem to be overrun with drab. boring, tedious physicists when we don't need them, where are they when we do? Anyone wanna explain to dude what kind of force would be needed to right a ship that size, that's been suctioned into the seabed for X amount of years? You need to take a substance break, and re-read the article you cited for context, and more importantly, content. > Can you imagine witnessing that underwater? > > Most of her rudder and her props are buried in the sand. And I never got to > see them... > > Benedict. -- An American friend of mine - living in Canada - says that in the US, greed is acceptable but envy is a sin. In Canada it is just the opposite. I would suggest that envy is our national sport. And no one inspires more envy in us than our southern neighbor. It is a shame, because any legitimate gripes we may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying. > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >>Benedict. Don't know anything about the Spiegel Grove, but from my own notes post-Andrew the Noula Express, off Boca, was ripped in two; the Tenneco Towers were severely damaged; the Jim Atria, which was on its side, was moved 300 feet into deeper water and set upright; the Wendy Rossheim was flipped onto it's port side and turned into rubble; the Paul Sherman collapsed; the Mercedes broke in half; the Jay Dorman was ripped in half, the halves are now about 75 feet apart. All that well north of the hurricane, and just a few of the wrecks in the area. What a hurricane does underwater is truly awesome. m > Don't know anything about the Spiegel Grove, but from my own > notes post-Andrew the Noula Express, off Boca, was ripped in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > broke in half; the Jay Dorman was ripped in half, the halves are > now about 75 feet apart. Yeah, well, I stand corrected, it's in the Miami Herald. I knew that hurricanes tore up the Thunderbolt, and created the island of Ocracoke. I just wasn't aware this last one was anywhere near the Grove. My apologies to the crackhead. >> Don't know anything about the Spiegel Grove, but from my own >> notes post-Andrew the Noula Express, off Boca, was ripped in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > My apologies to the crackhead. The crackhead lifts his lips from the pipe and nods an acknowledgement to Popeye. > >> Don't know anything about the Spiegel Grove, but from my own > >> notes post-Andrew the Noula Express, off Boca, was ripped in [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > The crackhead lifts his lips from the pipe and nods an acknowledgement to > Popeye. My direct and specific apologies to you. :-) > Don't know anything about the Spiegel Grove, but from my own > notes post-Andrew the Noula Express, off Boca, was ripped in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > What a hurricane does underwater is truly awesome. Sounds like it would be a wild ride to be down there during one... Yee hawh !!! > > A-bomb or not, it does appear that she's now upright: > > www.spiegelgrove.com/ [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > We seem to be overrun with drab. boring, tedious physicists when we don't > need them, where are they when we do? Without getting into the math, here's a link that sorta starts explaining things: http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QuantaHTML/vol_04/lately_t ortured_earth_03.htm "The power of winds to push, pull and lift is great. The Hiroshima nuclear fission-bomb explosion is assigned an energy of 7.9x10 18 ergs. The measured energy release of a one-megaton fusion bomb explosion is in the range of 10 22 ergs. This is about the same energy as exploded in the Berringer meteoroid crater in Arizona. "In one day a large hurricane releases as much energy as a 13,000 megaton nuclear bomb. Some hurricanes take a week to reach such intensity, others mature in a day or so. And during the time another may be at full blast a thousand miles away." [9] Some hurricanes last three weeks and travel 1,000 miles. (One can bear in mind the immediate transport of resilient living species around the world by such means.)" The original reference was from 1956, so the numbers of the nuclear devices is suspect (they would have been highly classified at that point), but the idea is still valid. To understand just how much energy is released during a hurricane, you have to understand latent heat. A hurricane derives it's energy from the heat released by water as is changes phase from a gas back into a liquid. If it takes energy X to raise a tank of water from 98.5 degrees C to 99.5 degrees, it takes about 540X to raise the temperature from 99.5 degrees to 100.5 degrees C (at STP). This same amount of energy is released when the water vapor contained in a hurricane clouds precipitates as rain. If the think of the amount of water vapor contained in a large hurricane (1000km diameter by 16 km high - millions of tons), it's not hard to imagine hurricanes easily eclipsing the energy released by a nuclear weapon. > Anyone wanna explain to dude what kind of force would be needed to right a > ship that size, that's been suctioned into the seabed for X amount of years? > > You need to take a substance break, and re-read the article you cited for > context, and more importantly, content. Actually, you might want to take a course on metorology first. > > Can you imagine witnessing that underwater? > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > than our southern neighbor. It is a shame, because any legitimate gripes we > may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying. >"In one day a large hurricane releases as much energy as a 13,000 megaton nuclear bomb. Not in the same space. My apologies, BTW, I forgot we actually had a physicist here... :-) > "The power of winds to push, pull and lift is great. The amazing part is that the storm never hit that area. The winds there were merely feeder bands. The middle Keys only registered 65 kts at Sombrero, about 60 miles closer to the storm. > The amazing part is that the storm never hit that area. The winds there > were merely feeder bands. The middle Keys only registered 65 kts at > Sombrero, about 60 miles closer to the storm. Hey Doug, reckon we oughta confess to our newest oversized lift bag assisted curls, or do ya reckon we'd get in trouble? Curtis > > The amazing part is that the storm never hit that area. The winds there > > were merely feeder bands. The middle Keys only registered 65 kts at > > Sombrero, about 60 miles closer to the storm. > > Hey Doug, reckon we oughta confess to our newest oversized lift bag > assisted curls, or do ya reckon we'd get in trouble? We'll get yelled at no matter what, so we might as well take the credit.... -- An American friend of mine - living in Canada - says that in the US, greed is acceptable but envy is a sin. In Canada it is just the opposite. I would suggest that envy is our national sport. And no one inspires more envy in us than our southern neighbor. It is a shame, because any legitimate gripes we may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying. > > > The amazing part is that the storm never hit that area. The winds there > > > were merely feeder bands. The middle Keys only registered 65 kts at [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > We'll get yelled at no matter what, so we might as well take the > credit.... I never yell at folks who carry trees or at folks as big as one without damn good reason. I discuss,,,I reason,,,I may even disagree and debate. If you guys Paul Bunyan'ed the SG into place, let me be the first to thank y'all. > > > > The amazing part is that the storm never hit that area. The winds there > > > > were merely feeder bands. The middle Keys only registered 65 kts at [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > If you guys Paul Bunyan'ed the SG into place, let me be the first to > thank y'all. This is the southern dialect police... You are being given a warning for an incorrect usage of the term ya'll. In the future, in this situation, please use the plural "you" instead. IF you really wanted to use ya'll in the preceding sentence, it should have been used in place of "you guys." Thank you for your time. Please move along people, there's nothing here to see... :-) >> > > > The amazing part is that the storm never hit that area. The winds >there [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >you for your time. Please move along people, there's nothing here to see... >:-) Uh, having been born in Mississippi (Biloxi, to be precise) I might point out that "y'all" is a contraction of "you all," not whatever "ya'll" might be a contraction of. I've always heard the plural as "all y'all." However I won't. My real point is that I haven't heard of *any* grammar rules that are important in the South, and certainly not spelling. Most southern dialects are *spoken*, not written, and as such, most folks I've been in contact with couldn't give a hoot about correct spelling or grammar. I have never heard of any kind of police in regard to language as it is spoken in the South. This smells of yet another kind of external Yankee influence. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA ghekhuis@earthlink.net Illiterate? Write for FREE help >IF you really wanted to use ya'll in the >preceding sentence, it should have been used in place of "you guys." That would be "youse guys" or "use geyes"depending on whether you hail from the Bronx or Hells kitchen. Boda bing-boda boom. Rick > >IF you really wanted to use ya'll in the > >preceding sentence, it should have been used in place of "you guys." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Rick Then theres my pals from Staten Island's "yoose n'geyes". Two house sized undertakers who's first sentence as they came aboard was: "We doan wanna kill nuttin, we'ya sick'a det." We spent all day catching and releasing barracuda with a " man, looka dose choppas" after each catch. >> > Hey Doug, reckon we oughta confess to our newest oversized lift bag >> > assisted curls, or do ya reckon we'd get in trouble? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If you guys Paul Bunyan'ed the SG into place, let me be the first to > thank y'all. All I can say is, we got a good deal on a used blimp with minor damage (for our intentions). Curtis "Magilla" wrote: > > If you guys Paul Bunyan'ed the SG into place, let me be the first to > > thank y'all. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Curtis Was it white? I hear they are suddenly missing a couple from Cudjoe Key. > Was it white? I hear they are suddenly missing a couple from Cudjoe Key. Was it Goodyear that had one crash in bad weather a few weeks ago? Curtis > Was it Goodyear that had one crash in bad weather a few weeks ago? I notice them fly over, love to get a ride on one, but as far as who owns or operates them, have to admit the only similiar thought that runs through my mind is "damn, I wish I had that much Helium in my posession". ;-) Curtis "Magilla" wrote: > > Was it Goodyear that had one crash in bad weather a few weeks ago? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Curtis They used to give rides out of Pompano but rumor is they stopped when some ass-hole sued for getting bumped by a vip. I believe the process was loosely based on a first come first served reservation basis but getting bumped down the list was common. >> Was it Goodyear that had one crash in bad weather a few weeks ago? > > I notice them fly over, love to get a ride on one, but as far as who > owns or operates them, have to admit the only similiar thought that runs > through my mind is "damn, I wish I had that much Helium in my posession". > ;-) I have an hour in my logbook, flying the Goodyear one that crashed.....witht the pilot who crashed it. LD. > I have an hour in my logbook, flying the Goodyear one that > crashed.....witht the pilot who crashed it. Sleeping it off in the truck simply isn't an option when you're up that high. >> I have an hour in my logbook, flying the Goodyear one that >> crashed.....witht the pilot who crashed it. > > Sleeping it off in the truck simply isn't an option when you're up that > high. I wasn't high.....I was drunk! LD. <snip> >The original reference was from 1956, so the numbers of the nuclear >devices is suspect (they would have been highly classified at that >point), but the idea is still valid. In 1945, Hiroshima was estimated to be 20 KT. In the late 70's, that number came down to 15 KT, then 12 KT. I read an article in AvLeak last year that came down with a number closer to 8 KT. And said that most of the US tests were inflated by about 12-15%. And that Soviet tests were inflated by as much as 50% (ie, thier 100 MT test was actually closer to 60 MT, still quite a kick). So it seems we don't have the nuclear capacity to destroy the world 12 times. More like 9 1/2. Signaturedillon Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way of life. And a damn fine one, at that. Then I guess it's a good thing they didn't use an A-bomb to right it. >> The South Florida News media is reporting that the Spiegel Grove has been >> uprighted by Hurricane Dennis. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You couldn't right the Grove with an A-Bomb. > The South Florida News media is reporting that the Spiegel Grove has been > uprighted by Hurricane Dennis. > Anyone have any new pictures of this yet? > > DM Dave > floridascubadiver.com Todays Paper: http://keynoter.com/ Jim Wyatt knows the ship well and maybe will comment if this looks correct. |
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