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Scuba Forum / General / July 2005is there a reg shark attack season?
First NJ and now another Florida attack? Not to make light of the recent tragedy but is there a "season" when shark attacks usually occur? Is a Gulf attack uncommon? It feels like the sharks got together and plotting revenge or is the news just making the attacks a bigger story than it normally is. http://tinyurl.com/77ld4 Not sure about the seasonal activities of sharks, but the news loves sensation and what better than that story of combined tragedy and heroism? > First NJ and now another Florida attack? Not to make light of the > recent tragedy but is there a "season" when shark attacks usually [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > news just making the attacks a bigger story than it normally is. > http://tinyurl.com/77ld4 >First NJ and now another Florida attack? Not to make light of the >recent tragedy but is there a "season" when shark attacks usually [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >news just making the attacks a bigger story than it normally is. >http://tinyurl.com/77ld4 Maybe in the summer, when more people are in the water?!?!. Gee, it's January and the water is 50 degrees. I wonder why there are no shark attacks? > Maybe in the summer, when more people are in the water?!?!. > > Gee, it's January and the water is 50 degrees. I wonder why there are > no shark attacks? There probably are. We just don't bother reporting it when a Yankee, Canadian or foreign tourist is the victim and they're the only people in the water in the winter. Lee > First NJ and now another Florida attack? Not to make light of the > recent tragedy but is there a "season" when shark attacks usually [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > news just making the attacks a bigger story than it normally is. > http://tinyurl.com/77ld4 The number of shark attacks in Florida are down, way down, from previous years, and Florida is one of the prime geographies for shark attack problems. Still, I don't think the news is making the attacks bigger than what they are. After all, a 14 year old girls died as a result of the attack up in the panhandle. Personally, I've been noticing sharks in our near shore waters more often than I used to. It may be that there are more of them close to shore or that I'm watching a bit more carefully and, therefore, noticing them more. It also could be because the fish stocks, their normal source of food, has been so depleted by commercial fishing that they're venturing closer to shore to find food. While I've never had a problem with sharks off Florida's Atlantic coast, I've had increasing problems with them in the Gulf of Mexico between the Marquessas and the Dry Tortugas. It's becoming somewhat common to be shadowed by a shark and, occasionally even circled by one, during our annual spearfishing and lobster hunting trips. The captain of the boat we most often use has encouraged us to kill them. The problem is frequent enough that it's beginning to cut into his business. So far, we've resisted. We'll see how things go this year. I'll be there from August 8th through the 11 th. It may be time to cull the herd a bit by doing away with the sharks who have grown to know that people mean food (note I didn't say people are food). It's a shame to kill sharks because people have conditioned them so well, but there's only room for one at the top of the food chain. I plan on being that one. Lee It's a shame to kill sharks because people have > conditioned them so well, but there's only room for one at the top of the > food chain. I plan on being that one. > > Lee Amen to that. For as long as I can remember, it has been a tradition of the local spearfishermen, who freedive every day for their living, to only shoot nuisance sharks and always land what they shot. Lately, the are finding it necessary to shoot more bulls and let them drift off drawing others with them. We don't get many attacks in the keys. The last one I can remember is the guy who thought he was jumping into a pod of Bottlenose Dolphin. > We don't get many attacks in the keys. The last one I can remember is > the guy who thought he was jumping into a pod of Bottlenose Dolphin. I've never had a problem in the Keys, but the problems I mention while spearfishing aren't all that far away. We do very intense 3 day trips to Fort Jefferson, lobstering and spearfishing our way out and back. Obviously we don't do either in the park or recently established no take zones. So far, gray reef sharks are our biggest problem. We've seen bulls, but not any aggressive ones . . . yet. Speaking of sharks, I think I overheard the news say there was another shark attack in north Florida today. Do you have a name other than keysclub we can call you? This is an up close and personal kind of place and we really like at least a first name to go with the people we read and write to. Lee I was putting together material for another motorcycling travel book (www.BuccaneerPress.com) and ran across a modest marina/restaurant somewhere south of Bradenton. They have a mounted great white of Jaws size that, if you read the fine print on the sign, was taken a few years ago in the creek next to the marina. There are some big ones out there folks! In many ways it's a wonder that we don't get more shark attacks. --PirateJohn-- www.PirateJohn.com Lee Bell Wrote >Do you have a name other than keysclub we can call you? This is an up >close >and personal kind of place and we really like at least a first name to go >with the people we read and write to. It has always been Charlie since pre browser days and I believe I was around when you made your first posts. An up close place? Not very. If you like, the next time I'm in your area I'll let you know and we can have coffee or lunch at Lesters or somewhere else of your choice. Maybe meet at your local commercial shooting range for some plinking. I've always held your opinions and diving ability in esteem. Medical reasons will keep me out of the water for at least another 6 months or I'd suggest a dive. I just noticed the change in my header that has always included my name. It must be something with googles new system and I will fix it as soon as I figure it out. I have never posted anonymously. I've limited my posts lately to try to tone down my part of the un-necessary OT and politics which were overwhelming the group leading up to the election. I added as much noise as anyone and more than many with absolutely no regrets nor changes of my attitude. Supporting the loser certainly made it easy to STFU. One only has to look to see that I have never instigated a cross post to the other groups and have kept out of .locations and .equipment to keep the static away while Rec scuba was already trashed, as you may remember. To those who don't like my politics, they only need to read my past statements and the statements of Pat Tillmans dad. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/23/MNG96CT8OS1.DTL http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/318027.shtml Those in the group who tried to label me anti American and against our troops will see that he exhonorates me and condemns those who so easily chose to be lied into war rather than risk their own comforts and conveniences by speaking up and asking questions. As far as sharks, with fewer being taken in all US areas, we can only expect more incidents but here's The Keys slant. http://keynoter.com/articles/2005/06/29/news/news02.txt . > Supporting the loser certainly made it easy to STFU. Didn't work with Greg & Alan. > To those who don't like my politics, they only need to read my past > statements and the statements of Pat Tillmans dad. Guess you're still with the media that tries to give us all the bad while withholding the good. Seems to me you were intolerant on a level few here reached with your political posturing as well. Curtis > Seems to me you were intolerant on a level few here reached with your > political posturing as well. He's a nutbar, with a side of fries. It wasnt really political posturing so much as it was/is simple, textbook, garden variety, transparent as a sheet of clean glass psychosis. I am sure glad he is on the left and a supporter of the Democrat "Party". <only funny because everyone with a brain and a set of balls left the left and the Democrats long ago> > It wasnt really political posturing so much as it was/is simple, textbook, > garden variety, transparent as a sheet of clean glass psychosis. I refer to it as posturing because I've enjoyed diving with Greg and definitely would with Alan as well. BTW, Charlie, cross-posted, didn't you. And me. Curtis > > It wasnt really political posturing so much as it was/is simple, textbook, > > garden variety, transparent as a sheet of clean glass psychosis. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > BTW, Charlie, cross-posted, didn't you. And me. sh.t, Jammer and I are fast friends, and have done some of the best diving on Earth together. Kane and I were good until he took the KoolAid. As for cross-posted, I didnt pay that much attention, and really couldnt give a sh.t less. BTW, the Magilla thing is hip. *THE* Gorilla. Right up there with Knuckles Nuclear and Snidely Whiplash. > sh.t, Jammer and I are fast friends, and have done some of the best diving > on Earth together. Very kool. > Kane and I were good until he took the KoolAid. Well, MHK and I drink from the same fountain. > As for cross-posted, I didnt pay that much attention, and really couldnt > give a sh.t less. I hate to "oops" on other groups. > BTW, the Magilla thing is hip. > > *THE* Gorilla. > > Right up there with Knuckles Nuclear and Snidely Whiplash. When Jayna & Lee present a title, and HH confirms, must be worn. ;-) Just hope I don't smell like a gorilla. Curtis > > sh.t, Jammer and I are fast friends, and have done some of the best diving > > on Earth together. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well, MHK and I drink from the same fountain. Cool. We drank from the same bottle, back when he sh.t on me for being a "hog diver". I have witness'. > > As for cross-posted, I didnt pay that much attention, and really couldnt > > give a sh.t less. > > I hate to "oops" on other groups. Didnt know I did, probaly as much as they didnt give a sh.t about posting here. No malice, no foul. > > BTW, the Magilla thing is hip. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > When Jayna & Lee present a title, and HH confirms, must be worn. ;-) By all means. 'Specially when it fits. Why do you think we call him "Dinky Dave"? Most people that meet him just call him "Sir". 6'3", 375 and can bench 460. Bachelors in organic chemistry, a semester away from being a veterenarian, and he used to be a strip joint bouncer. We measured him for a dry suit; the chicky called me back and asked if the dimensions were metric. 36" thighs, I cant accurately remember the rest., but it was not human. JJ met him and he said "You're Dinky Dave? f.ck me in the heart." > Just hope I don't smell like a gorilla. So what if you do? =;-) >> Just hope I don't smell like a gorilla. > > So what if you do? As long as I break things like a gorilla, in less than 48 hours. :-) Curtis > >> Just hope I don't smell like a gorilla. > > > > So what if you do? > > As long as I break things like a gorilla, in less than 48 hours. :-) AAHOORAH "Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind." -- Bruce Lee ******************** On Pain And a woman spoke, saying, "Tell us of Pain." And he said: Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding. Even as the stone of the fruit must break, that its heart may stand in the sun, so must you know pain. And could you keep your heart in wonder at the daily miracles of your life, your pain would not seem less wondrous than your joy; And you would accept the seasons of your heart, even as you have always accepted the seasons that pass over your fields. And you would watch with serenity through the winters of your grief. Much of your pain is self-chosen. It is the bitter potion by which the physician within you heals your sick self. Therefore trust the physician, and drink his remedy in silence and tranquillity: For his hand, though heavy and hard, is guided by the tender hand of the Unseen, And the cup he brings, though it burn your lips, has been fashioned of the clay which the Potter has moistened with His own sacred tears. -- Kahlil Gibran "Magilla" wrote: > BTW, Charlie, cross-posted, didn't you. And me. > > Curtis I said that I never instigated, meaning originated, a cross post. Using the new Google, I don't even see the headers unless I click on a specific link of each post. Then if there is a cross post, it has to be removed manually. As less sharks are taken, and more grow to larger sizes, common sense dictates that the initial taste bites become more devastating. At present rates of growth, I wonder how long before, over all, your caves are safer than the reefs and beaches? > I said that I never instigated, meaning originated, a cross post. Using > the new Google, I don't even see the headers unless I click on a > specific link of each post. Then if there is a cross post, it has to be > removed manually. Yep, I missed them the first time, then manually removed the other groups. Just pointed out we both were guilty of perpetuating a cross-posting. > As less sharks are taken, and more grow to larger sizes, common sense > dictates that the initial taste bites become more devastating. At > present rates of growth, I wonder how long before, over all, your caves > are safer than the reefs and beaches? I'm already firmly convinced cavers are by lot a safer bunch, and we have a lot less hazards overall. Damn sure never worried about shark bites. Next time Lee and company come north for a gear rinse, maybe you oughta consider giving it a try. Lee makes a fine referee. ;-) Curtis "Magilla" wrote: > I'm already firmly convinced cavers are by lot a safer bunch, and we > have a lot less hazards overall. Damn sure never worried about shark bites. I suspect its more by the advanced training than by lot. > Next time Lee and company come north for a gear rinse, maybe you oughta > consider giving it a try. > > Curtis I've snorkled around in a few of the springs but never entered any of the caves. My trips up to springs country were always related to jumping Deland, leaving little room for dive gear. >Lee makes a fine referee. ;-) A dead end cave in the woods of north Florida is not quite as public as Lesters Diner ;-) > Supporting the loser certainly made it easy to STFU. Didn't work with Greg & Alan. They were trying to get their guys in. I was trying to get your guys out. > To those who don't like my politics, they only need to read my past > statements and the statements of Pat Tillmans dad. > Guess you're still with the media that tries to give us all the >bad while withholding the good. Believe what you want. Tell me anything good for America coming out of invading Iraq. > Seems to me you were intolerant on a level few here reached with your political posturing as well. Nobody else here watched the GOP goons riot in the Miami courthouse and succeed a coup, But thats old news. >From now, maybe we can keep our OT limited to discussions of paper ballots specific to the presidential election with one day of voting changed to the weekend. A Candidate is on it in all states or not at all. No spoilers or electronic manipulations. A distinct trail to any fraud. Harmless enough ya think? Charlie > It has always been Charlie since pre browser days and I believe I was > around when you made your first posts. Possibly when I made my first posts from my netcom account. I used a free account through the public library system for quite a while before than. > An up close place? Not very. If you like, the next time I'm in your > area I'll let you know and we can have coffee or lunch at Lesters or > somewhere else of your choice. Maybe meet at your local commercial > shooting range for some plinking. I've always held your opinions and > diving ability in esteem. Medical reasons will keep me out of the water > for at least another 6 months or I'd suggest a dive. Anytime for either. > I've limited my posts lately to try to tone down my part of the > un-necessary OT and politics which were overwhelming the group leading > up to the election. I added as much noise as anyone and more than many > with absolutely no regrets nor changes of my attitude. Me too. I was one that voted for discussions of whatever came up. Now it's come back to haunt me . . . and everybody else. Lee Guys, please keep your sh.t off the rec.windsurfing group. I'm into both sports, but airing your bs here is totally unwelcome. Thanks. > > It has always been Charlie since pre browser days and I believe I was > > around when you made your first posts. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Lee > Guys, please keep your sh.t off the rec.windsurfing group. I'm into > both sports, but airing your bs here is totally unwelcome. Thanks. You're welcome. > First NJ and now another Florida attack? Not to make light of the > recent tragedy but is there a "season" when shark attacks usually [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > news just making the attacks a bigger story than it normally is. > http://tinyurl.com/77ld4 Shark Distribution and Water Temperature http://www.oceanofk.org/tag/Tagmigrate/ddisttemp.html Dwayne > First NJ and now another Florida attack? Not to make light of the > recent tragedy but is there a "season" when shark attacks usually > occur? yeah...the summer...when more folks are in the water! > > First NJ and now another Florida attack? Not to make light of the > > recent tragedy but is there a "season" when shark attacks usually > > occur? > > yeah...the summer...when more folks are in the water! Yes, there is a season, and we are already past it this year. There is a week in April where they usually hold a surfing contest. In the last several years this week has coincided with bait fish spawning, drawing sharks into the area. For the last several years, there were an average of 7 incidents per year during that week off New Symrna Beach. This year they must have moved the contest, because there were no reported incidents. Otherwise, there is no apparent "season", but there is a correlation between number of days of sun during the year and the number of incidents. (i.e. more sun = more people in the water = more incidents). Shark attack season? Hmmmm, that would be when people go into the same habitat that sharks are known to frequent....... And about those people who think sharks are so great, I love to see sharks too, at the fish market....... A dolphin you can play with, a shark is like a doberman, just a life support system for a set of teeth.... Very sharp, ruthless teeth...... > First NJ and now another Florida attack? Not to make light of the > recent tragedy but is there a "season" when shark attacks usually [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > news just making the attacks a bigger story than it normally is. > http://tinyurl.com/77ld4 Thank you all for replies, it makes sense. More people in water + sharks closer to shore = more attacks. I just heard there was a third attack in Florida waters. I also apologize for the TASTELESS t=shirt humor, it would repels a shark and your friends too http://www.cafepress.com/flabites Be safe in the water this holiday weekend! > Shark attack season? Hmmmm, that would be when people go into the same > habitat that sharks are known to frequent....... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Very sharp, ruthless teeth...... I escape shark attacks here in landlocked NM by vacationing to the OR coast in summer. Most shark species, and most boardheads for that matter, don't prefer water in the 50-deg [or colder] range. IMHO, best way to prevent shark attacks is to maintain a high percentage of dry jibes and/or sail with others that are lesser skilled. ;^) -B > Most shark species, and most boardheads for that > matter, don't prefer water in the 50-deg [or colder] range. 50 degree water?!?!?! [shiver] No thank you. I hate wetsuits enough as it is... I can't even begin to imagine wearing one during the summer months. That's just wrong in so many ways. Looks like the winds are up enough that the yahoos will get chased off the lake. I gotta go. Dog  Signaturehttp://www.mariner-sails.com http://www.thedoghouse.net The biggest and most obvious advantage to cold water sailing is wearing a suit of neoprene that has a SPF of 10-million - no more coating the entire body in expensive sunscreen. Almost forgot to mention the one motivating, minor perk of cold water summer-sailing on the West Coast - waves !! Cya, Whitey > The biggest and most obvious advantage to cold water sailing is wearing > a suit of neoprene that has a SPF of 10-million - shill protection factor? Welcome;-) Matthias > IMHO, best way to prevent shark attacks > is to maintain a high percentage of dry > jibes and/or sail with others that are lesser skilled. ;^) Or get this: http://www.kfd.com.au/4.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1895000/video/_1895802_sharks13_obrien_... These suckers should also be designed for speed traps, if only they could be configured to zap highway trollers. -- Pete |
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