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Splat - 26 Jun 2005 01:28 GMT Hi there, we are planning an November trip to Hawaii. Can someone recommend (or warn from ..) a good operator / outfitter there ? We are certified but not very experienced.
Many thanks !
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Greg Mossman - 28 Jun 2005 08:45 GMT > Hi there, we are planning an November trip to Hawaii. Can someone > recommend (or warn from ..) a good operator / outfitter there ? We > are certified but not very experienced. You do know that there's more than one island in Hawaii, don't you? Or did you mean the Big Island?
Splat - 29 Jun 2005 03:03 GMT Hey, yes, didn't specify : Big Island it is.
Greg Mossman - 29 Jun 2005 03:31 GMT > Hey, yes, didn't specify : Big Island it is. Oh. In that case, Jack's Diving Locker probably won't kill you, though I believe they're about as expensive as it gets and assuming you're driving distance from Kona (it really is a Big Island). Friendly folk, nice shop (with free parking) and boat (they had better be for their prices), but I found a few of their dive guides rather annoying underwater. That may just be me. I'm easily annoyed, especially when the guide hogs all the good photo ops, scaring away the rare fish before the paying customers get a chance. Whatever you do, don't miss out on the Manta night dive. It's a other-worldly experience and due to the shallow depths and the dusk warm-up dive in the same spot, a great intro to night diving if you haven't before.
November is getting into the winter season, so boat rides may be rougher than usual. Hawaii is always bouncy. Also the water is a bit cooler than Caribbean conditions and may warrant a full 3 to 5 mm suit at that time of year.
Randy Buckner - 06 Jul 2005 17:20 GMT > Hi there, we are planning an November trip to Hawaii. Can someone > recommend (or warn from ..) a good operator / outfitter there ? We > are certified but not very experienced. > > Many thanks ! I'll have to disagree with Greg. I lived in Hawaii for two years and dove year around with a Polartec and no hood. Unless you chill easily, you don't need more.
AFA Jack's Diving Locker, they used to be top notch, but friends tell me they are no longer the big dog. They recommend Aloha Dive Company. I have no experience with them, so can only forward the recommendations.
Buck
Greg Mossman - 12 Jul 2005 21:40 GMT > I'll have to disagree with Greg. I lived in Hawaii for two years and dove > year around with a Polartec and no hood. Unless you chill easily, you > don't need more. And MHK dove around here in a T-shirt and shorts so obviously no one needs more than a Polartec for Southern California waters either. Unless you chill easily.
Surface temps of Hawaii waters are rarely in the 80s, most often in the mid-to-upper 70s, though occasionally colder than that. Certainly it can be colder at depth. Lots of people "chill easily" diving a Polartec when it's 75 degrees.
Randy Buckner - 15 Jul 2005 02:59 GMT >> I'll have to disagree with Greg. I lived in Hawaii for two years and dove >> year around with a Polartec and no hood. Unless you chill easily, you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > be colder at depth. Lots of people "chill easily" diving a Polartec when > it's 75 degrees. The coolest I've seen the water in Hawaii was at Shark's Condos, around 130' -- it was 73 degrees. I was snug as a bug in the Polartec. Just anecdotal evidence.
Greg Mossman - 15 Jul 2005 07:57 GMT > The coolest I've seen the water in Hawaii was at Shark's Condos, around > 130' -- it was 73 degrees. I was snug as a bug in the Polartec. Just > anecdotal evidence. "Unless you weigh more then 200 pounds or are very warm blooded, don't even THINK of wearing just a fleece dive skin!"
-- http://www.mikesevernsdiving.com/
Randy Buckner - 27 Jul 2005 06:33 GMT >> The coolest I've seen the water in Hawaii was at Shark's Condos, around >> 130' -- it was 73 degrees. I was snug as a bug in the Polartec. Just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -- http://www.mikesevernsdiving.com/ That is directed to reptile lawyer types who need sun to control body heat ... ;-)
Star - 15 Jul 2005 09:25 GMT 73 degree water requires at least a 5/3 with hood and gloves, but preferably a drysuit. Brrrrrr.
*, now diving puget sound - today was 51*F
Randy Buckner - 27 Jul 2005 06:32 GMT > 73 degree water requires at least a 5/3 with hood and gloves, but > preferably a drysuit. Brrrrrr. > > *, now diving puget sound - today was 51*F Wimp ... ;-) Dove Cocos in a Polartec as well while everyone was telling me take a 5mm. I did use a hood on the third and fourth dives of the day once.
Greg Mossman - 27 Jul 2005 06:37 GMT >> 73 degree water requires at least a 5/3 with hood and gloves, but >> preferably a drysuit. Brrrrrr. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > me take a 5mm. I did use a hood on the third and fourth dives of the day > once. I just came back from Cocos and I wore a 5mm there. Yes, it was too much suit. No, I didn't wear a hood. Hoods are for pussies, after all.
Randy Buckner - 27 Jul 2005 06:50 GMT >>> 73 degree water requires at least a 5/3 with hood and gloves, but >>> preferably a drysuit. Brrrrrr. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I just came back from Cocos and I wore a 5mm there. Yes, it was too much > suit. No, I didn't wear a hood. Hoods are for pussies, after all. You wear a hood on your pussy? Wow, I'd like to see that ... no, on second thought I wouldn't.
What boat did you go with to Cocos?
Greg Mossman - 27 Jul 2005 06:55 GMT > What boat did you go with to Cocos? Aggressor. Bad A/C was my only real complaint. I'd do one of the Hunters next trip for comparison.
Randy Buckner - 28 Jul 2005 06:53 GMT >> What boat did you go with to Cocos? > > Aggressor. Bad A/C was my only real complaint. I'd do one of the Hunters > next trip for comparison. Same here -- the boat was pretty rustic, but it did the job. It had a little red-headed British captain at the time -- still around?
Greg Mossman - 28 Jul 2005 16:32 GMT >>> What boat did you go with to Cocos? >> >> Aggressor. Bad A/C was my only real complaint. I'd do one of the >> Hunters next trip for comparison.
> Same here -- the boat was pretty rustic, but it did the job. It had a > little red-headed British captain at the time -- still around? Nope. All local crew except for DM Paula (our other DM was the Captain, "Beto"). I'm a bit pissed off. Instead of posting a trip report, I was going to be lazy and post a link to the Aggressor's "Captain's Log" but they skipped my trip on their site.
The crew was great. Beto had a good sense of humor and we even got stoic Paula to crack a smile by the end of the trip. Our dinghy driver, quiet Charlie, got in the spirit of things and the last night, when the crew took their bows, he called out "Who's the best dinghy?" and got his resounding response, "Dinghy dos!" I wish I could remember the names of any of the rest of them, but I'm not so hot with names.
But the A/C was really crummy. It barely trickled out of the cabin vent and there was no way to adjust it. The three upstairs cabins, on the other hand, complained that theirs were too powerful even when turned down (theirs were adjustable). In the salon it was usually tolerable, but during mealtime it got quite warm with the kitchen door open and a full boatload of 22 divers' body heat. Oddly they carried French wine, rather than the Chilean I would have expected. Beer was on tap on the sundeck, next to the soda machine. Food was generally good, except that the boat's FAQ says they serve a variety of beef, chicken, and/or seafood every night, and somehow pork ended up being the star for two of the meals, making a good pig-hating Jew like moi go vegetarian those nights. Actually, on pork night #2, they gave me something with chicken breast instead since there were already a few on the boat who had claimed they didn't eat red meat and we even had one real vegetarian. Desserts were very colorful. Snacks were boring. Usually it was just a platter of fresh fruit. Twice they had cheese empanadas. Once, some burnt cookies. And twice, fried mashed plaintain "chips" with bean dip.
Back to the A/C. If you sniffed the salon vent, it smelled of mold and fungus. By the end of the trip, over half the boat was complaining of some sort of nasal or sinus congestion. I had a sore throat by halfway through the trip and it took me about a week after I got back home before I felt 100% again. If I were to take the boat again, I'd wear a hospital mask at all times indoors.
Another gripe was the head. En-suite, yes, but without a separate shower. That always makes for a wet toilet seat which I hate. Also, they buttressed the usual no-flushing-foreign-material briefing with a request that we even put used TP in the trash can. I know hundreds of millions of Latin Americans do that on a daily basis, but that doesn't mean it's right. Plus, they only seemed to empty the trash can every other day. Apparently if you're in your room napping when they're cleaning rooms, they skip you until the next day. We also kept running out of toilet paper and had to steal more from the deck head.
But no bugs spotted anywhere, which is nice. We actually had good weather, smack dab in the middle of the rainy season. Only a couple half-days of rain, and then it rained most of the ride back. Crossings weren't too bad. I only vomited a bit on the second day of the trip while we were still enroute to the island and that's because I let my Dramamine lapse. I'm not used to taking it continuously because on most boats I'd already be there by the time I woke up in the morning. But it eventually got better by the evening and I was fine all the way back even with slightly rougher seas.
Passengers were a mixed bunch. A few serious videographers, intent on getting their work into the San Diego Underwater Film Exhibition in October, and another videographer who styled himself a professional and even had business cards made up. A few less intent videographers, including myself, a few big digital photo systems, and a few more point and shoot cameras, and you had every inch of the three-tiered camera table and every possible space at the charging stations (even with several power strips added) packed with gear.
Otherwise, we had a good mix of people aboard. All Americans. One of Sylvia Earle's daughters, who brought a guitar, was a fellow liberal and we happily bitched away the nights over too much wine, complaining about Bush and his evil cohorts. Her guitar was also played heavily by a few other talented passengers, and occasionally joined by a doctor with a harmonica. We had another doctor (retired), a surgical nurse, a couple business owners, a psychologist, a teacher, a couple engineers, a Nekton captain who's soon to be the second captain on the Truk Odyssey, the head of the San Diego County Sheriff's Dive Team and his son, and an assistant curator of the Maui Ocean Center who told us wonderful tales of catching live tiger sharks for the shark tank and also played a mean guitar. Half the boat had been there at least once before. For three guys, this was their fourth trip.
I thought the shark encounters were a bit more intense at Wolf and Darwin Islands, but the water was certainly warmer and clearer at Coco. Plus the hammerheads, while they didn't get as close as the Galapagos, were definitely schooling in greater numbers. It was amazing to see twenty or so of the beasts, silhouetted by the sun, cruising in a circle 50-60' above where you're perched at 105' on Alcyon. We did that dive a few times, as well as Punta Maria, which was a follow-the-line down to ledge at 90', then hang on while watching the big Galapagos sharks circle around ominously, eels and octopi all over, lobsters by the dozens under the ledge, marbled rays in every little sand patch. Silverado was a real easy spot, sitting in the rubble at 60' around a mesa-like cleaning station while three fat silvertips (one was pregnant and really fat) wandered in and out getting cleaned, a couple snowflake morays popped their heads up next to me, then we followed around a free-swimming zebra moray toward the end of the dive.
We found the red-lipped batfish at 105' in the sand off Ulloa before the DM did, which was fortunate since we had to kick against a strong current to get back to the rock and ended up sucking down much of the rest of our air. Manuelita was a nice spot for day diving, but incredible at night when the whitetips cover the reef everywhere you look, moving in and out of crevices looking for a free meal. But the best spot of all, and we did it three or four times, was Dirty Rock, a surgy, current-ridden pinnacle that was covered with life. Big schools of trevallies, many in mating pairs where one partner (the male, I believe) is black. A couple yellow fins swam by, lots of leather bass that come right up to kiss your mask - one sat still while a diver petted it, neat aggregations of parrotfish hanging with trumpetfish and hordes of surgeonfish, hammerheads schooling around you, a quick glance around the rock finds you a white tip in a crevice, a marbled ray in a little pit, a fat green moray, an eagle ray off in the distance. Easy to multilevel since you can start at around 100' looking for bigger stuff, then make your way slowly up to 40', where the surge finally gets to you.
Overall, I preferred the Galapagos. Frankly I liked the boat there (Aggressor II) much better. It was cleaner, all teak-lined, the crew worked harder (including cleaning our gear for us rather than just handing us a hose), the food was better, and I preferred gearing up on the mothership, then transferring to the zodiac over the Cocos system of keeping the tanks aboard the skiffs where one had to don their gear while packed in with 10 other divers, a DM, a dinghy driver, and a big tank rack down the middle of the boat. Plus the Galapagos provides more variety, with completely different diving between the southern islands and Wolf and Darwin, not to mention the land tours. And whale shark sightings are more assured. With the long boat crossing required for Cocos, I can't see me doing this trip more than once, but I'm definitely itching to go back to the Galapagos, preferably on a 10-day Peter Hughes itinerary.
Randy Buckner - 29 Jul 2005 01:29 GMT >>>> What boat did you go with to Cocos? >>> [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > doing this trip more than once, but I'm definitely itching to go back to > the Galapagos, preferably on a 10-day Peter Hughes itinerary. Galapagos -- the only major spot left on my list that I have not been to (or care to go to). I hope to rectify that next year. Sounds like you really enjoyed it. Doesn't it require a lot of travel just like Cocos?
Greg Mossman - 29 Jul 2005 02:48 GMT > Galapagos -- the only major spot left on my list that I have not been to > (or care to go to). I hope to rectify that next year. Sounds like you > really enjoyed it. Doesn't it require a lot of travel just like Cocos? Different travel. Cocos required 6 hours of air travel (with a 3-hour layover) using Continental from my local airport, then an overnight stay in San Jose, then a 3-hour bus trip (with stops), then a 36-hour boat ride.
For Galapagos, it's 9 hours of flight time to mainland Ecuador, an overnight stay in Quito or Guayaquil, then a 2-hour flight to the islands, followed by a short bus ride to the boat. Wolf and Darwin involve a 9-12 hour crossing that's done overnight. There's an overnight on the way back, but personally I'd rather spend my last night in a Quito luxury hotel than on a bouncing boat A/C in high seas.
But I have heard plenty of people complain about their Galapagos trips. Apparently it can be very hit or miss. I went at the beginning of last June and we were the first boat of the year to start seeing the whale sharks. If whale sharks are on your list, summer is the time to go.
Jim - 02 Aug 2005 01:53 GMT >>>> What boat did you go with to Cocos? >>> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >100% again. If I were to take the boat again, I'd wear a hospital mask at >all times indoors. Are you a hypochodriac?
>Another gripe was the head. En-suite, yes, but without a separate shower. >That always makes for a wet toilet seat which I hate. Also, they buttressed [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >rain, and then it rained most of the ride back. Crossings weren't too bad. >I only vomited a bit on the second day of the trip while we were still too bad
>enroute to the island and that's because I let my Dramamine lapse. I'm not >used to taking it continuously because on most boats I'd already be there by [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] >more than once, but I'm definitely itching to go back to the Galapagos, >preferably on a 10-day Peter Hughes itinerary.
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