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Air New Zealand and Air Qantas ground Handlers at Brisbane Air Port. Did they Still my luggage?

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dont fly air new zealand they loose luggage in Brisbane australia - 15 Jun 2005 13:43 GMT
Well the Air quatus personnel at counter said he would call the for the
transfer he had the tickets and the description of the luggage only one of
two arrived in Png.
Every were i go i tell the story and i ask people the same thing: would fly
Air New Zealand they were so insensitive especially in Australia and new
Zealand.

i tell people to fly air Korea, Singapore, Cathay Pacific there the best.

Have you hear the story told by an Air New Zealand cabin worker the gist of
it was this:
Passenger waiting for a air craft from air Singapore but it did not arrive
due to engine problem the replacement was Air New Zealand because of the
Alliance. Well the Passenger Saw the plane and started to boohoos the Air
New
Zealand they said the plane are like riding a plane ten years behind the
time. no word on whether there luggage arrived safely or at all with the
passengers!
dont fly air new zealand they loose luggage in Brisbane australia - 16 Jun 2005 00:58 GMT
Air New Zealand lost my luggage in Brisbane and ruined my dream holiday that
took two years of saving and planning for.

I booked a ticket with Air New Zealand for a flight on September 7, 2004. I
traveled with two pieces of luggage, one a roll-on 51-liter knapsack type
and the other a black 1127 Transit Case made by Underwater Kinetics,
dimensions being 27.0 x 18.1 x 10.9 inches also with a DAN Sticker on the
side.

I checked my luggage upon arrival at Pearson Airport with the understanding
that I would not have to retrieve it until Brisbane.

Upon my arrival at Los Angeles Air Port, I went to the Air Canada counter to
inquire about my luggage.

The person behind the counter stated that Air Canada should have the luggage
with them awaiting transfer to my air new Zealand flight.

Again, I trusted both airlines to have the luggage and to transfer it
safely.

After arriving in Auckland, New Zealand, there was a four-hour overlay and
the same plane was refueled and we continued on to Brisbane.

When I got to Brisbane, Security did not allow me to retrieve my luggage.
Instead, they informed me that I could ask at the Air New Zealand counter
upstairs for them to retrieve and transfer it for me.

I went to the Air New Zealand counter and I was assured by the clerk that
radioed down to the baggage handlers working on the baggage carrousel that
both pieces of luggage were identified and located, and they would be
transferred to the Air Niugini flight to Port Moresby, my final destination.

During all this time I never physically saw my luggage, believing all was
well.

After landing in Port Moresby, to my shock and horror, I learned that only
one piece of my luggage containing my clothing had arrived and other the
largest and most essential containing my diving was equipment is missing.

I immediately filed a lost luggage report with Luggage Personnel at Port
Moresby.

He told me he would look for it and needed my itinerary. However, I later
learned the search was suspended the very same day. It is still suspended to
this day. In spite of, my travel agent repeatedly asking for it to be
reopened.

This may just be another case of lost luggage to you however; it is a
devastating loss of equipment that was crucial to fulfilling my trip
requirement. A trip I saved and planned for two years.

As a result, I was unable to do what I came and paid to do, which was to
dive.

I spent 10 days on a boat with 18 other people who all got their luggage. I
physically became ill from the stress and worry of my luggage being lost or
perhaps even stolen.

I trusted the airlines concerned to carry me and my luggage to my point of
destination.

It is a mystery to me that my small piece of luggage arrived but not the
largest and most important piece.

I want to be reimbursed and compensated for my total cost of airfare and
loss of underwater kinetics 1127 transit case and all of its contents that
was entrusted to you Air New Zealand Air Niugini.

> Well the Air quatus personnel at counter said he would call the for the
> transfer he had the tickets and the description of the luggage only one of
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> time. no word on whether there luggage arrived safely or at all with the
> passengers!
Greg Mossman - 16 Jun 2005 01:24 GMT
> Air New Zealand lost my luggage in Brisbane and ruined my dream holiday
> that took two years of saving and planning for.

Missing luggage happens.  Smart travelers ensure that such an event won't
ruin their "dream holiday".

> I booked a ticket with Air New Zealand for a flight on September 7, 2004.
> I traveled with two pieces of luggage, one a roll-on 51-liter knapsack
> type and the other a black 1127 Transit Case made by Underwater Kinetics,
> dimensions being 27.0 x 18.1 x 10.9 inches also with a DAN Sticker on the

> Upon my arrival at Los Angeles Air Port, I went to the Air Canada counter
> to inquire about my luggage.

Why Air Canada?  I thought you were bitching about Air New Zealand.

> The person behind the counter stated that Air Canada should have the
> luggage with them awaiting transfer to my air new Zealand flight.

So Air Canada lost the luggage.  Why not bitch about Air Canada?

> When I got to Brisbane, Security did not allow me to retrieve my luggage.
> Instead, they informed me that I could ask at the Air New Zealand counter
> upstairs for them to retrieve and transfer it for me.

So Security lost the luggage.  Why not bitch about Security?

> I went to the Air New Zealand counter and I was assured by the clerk that
> radioed down to the baggage handlers working on the baggage carrousel that
> both pieces of luggage were identified and located, and they would be
> transferred to the Air Niugini flight to Port Moresby, my final
> destination.

So the baggage handlers, who may not even work for the airline, lost the
luggage.  Why not bitch about the baggage handlers?

> After landing in Port Moresby, to my shock and horror, I learned that only
> one piece of my luggage containing my clothing had arrived and other the
> largest and most essential containing my diving was equipment is missing.

One out of two ain't bad.  At least you didn't have to go naked.

> He told me he would look for it and needed my itinerary. However, I later
> learned the search was suspended the very same day. It is still suspended
> to this day. In spite of, my travel agent repeatedly asking for it to be
> reopened.

Never trust a travel agent.  Why don't you deal with it yourself, or else
blame your travel agent for everything and bitch about her?

> This may just be another case of lost luggage to you however; it is a
> devastating loss of equipment that was crucial to fulfilling my trip
> requirement. A trip I saved and planned for two years.

Have you ever heard of rental gear?

> As a result, I was unable to do what I came and paid to do, which was to
> dive.

Have you ever heard of rental gear?

> I spent 10 days on a boat with 18 other people who all got their luggage.
> I physically became ill from the stress and worry of my luggage being lost
> or perhaps even stolen.

Becoming physically ill about lost luggage? That's silly.  If you were so
worried about it, you would have insured it.

> It is a mystery to me that my small piece of luggage arrived but not the
> largest and most important piece.

You mean the one in the fancy case that advertised "expensive dive gear
inside".  Yeah, it's a mystery.  To an idiot.

> I want to be reimbursed and compensated for my total cost of airfare and
> loss of underwater kinetics 1127 transit case and all of its contents that
> was entrusted to you Air New Zealand Air Niugini.

Total cost of airfare?  They brought you to your destination and brought you
back home.  Don't be silly.  I'd be happy if I got reimbursed for my rental
gear.

And I thought you entrusted your luggage to Air Canada?  Please make up your
mind.

I believe, according to the fine print on the ticket you purchased, and as
I'm sure your knowledgeable and capable travel agent made you aware, the
airline is limited in its liability to you for something like a few cents
per pound of luggage.  So you should definitely receive some compensation.
Obviously had you insured the stuff, you'd have a right to be reimbursed the
value of the equipment.  Everyone knows that.  Are you as stupid as you
sound?
Lee Bell - 16 Jun 2005 04:08 GMT
> Are you as stupid as you sound?

Apparently.  What happened to the liberal do-gooder?  The guy was probably a
victim of discrimination of some kind.

Whoever you are, not you Greg, the whiner that wrote the original message,
you made several mistakes:
1. You carried on something you didn't care about and checked something you
did.  My essential dive gear is carried on.  I check my couple thousand
dollars worth of underwater camera equipment before I check my regulator.
2. You marked your case as dive gear.  That's a clear invitation to have it
stolen.  This has only been known for, oh, as long as people have been
flying to dive sites.
3. You failed to ensure equipment.  You took a chance and you lost.  Tough,
but it was your choice.
4. You bitched about it, without posting your name, on a list that does not
have a lot of patience with those that bring trouble on themselves and then
cry about it here.

We're sorry you lost your equipment.  We're sorry your dive trip didn't turn
out as planned, even though we think you probably could have done something
about that.  We're even sorry that you failed to insure your valuable
equipment before turning it over to people who, let's face it, are not
affluent, overly bright or, quite often, overly honest.  Still, you should
have known better.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 16 Jun 2005 06:12 GMT
>> Are you as stupid as you sound?
>
> Apparently.  What happened to the liberal do-gooder?  The guy was probably
> a victim of discrimination of some kind.

He sounded like a French Canadian trying to speak English.  That's reason
enough to discriminate.
Rudy Benner - 16 Jun 2005 06:57 GMT
>>> Are you as stupid as you sound?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> He sounded like a French Canadian trying to speak English.  That's reason
> enough to discriminate.

I make it a point to discriminate the French Canadians at every opportunity,
I live right next to Quebec.
dazed and confuzzed - 16 Jun 2005 01:43 GMT
> Air New Zealand lost my luggage in Brisbane and ruined my dream holiday that
> took two years of saving and planning for.
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> one piece of my luggage containing my clothing had arrived and other the
> largest and most essential containing my diving was equipment is missing.

there are 4 kinds of luggage:

lost
stolen
damaged
carry-on

> I immediately filed a lost luggage report with Luggage Personnel at Port
> Moresby.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> As a result, I was unable to do what I came and paid to do, which was to
> dive.

did you buy or rent gear to use while you were there?

> I spent 10 days on a boat with 18 other people who all got their luggage. I
> physically became ill from the stress and worry of my luggage being lost or
> perhaps even stolen.

Trip insurance might have helped here....

> I trusted the airlines concerned to carry me and my luggage to my point of
> destination.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> loss of underwater kinetics 1127 transit case and all of its contents that
> was entrusted to you Air New Zealand Air Niugini.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

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H Huntzinger - 16 Jun 2005 12:37 GMT
Anonymous Coward  <cali233@rogers.com> wrote:

> Air New Zealand lost my luggage in Brisbane and ruined my dream holiday that
> took two years of saving and planning for.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> The person behind the counter stated that Air Canada should have the luggage
> with them awaiting transfer to my air new Zealand flight.

How can you prove that it was Air NZ that lost your luggage and not your
first carrier, Air Canada, or the baggage handlers en route?   After all
you went through LAX and luggage theft problems there have been reported.

> ... A trip I saved and planned for two years.

To compensate for the risk of catastrophic loss, one buys insurance.

> I want to be reimbursed and compensated...

And if you asked correctly, you would have been, since airlines are
required to provide compensation for lost/delayed baggage.  The exact
details are printed on the ticket and/or ticket holder.

Bottom line is that if you can't afford even the risk of loss, don't go.

-hh
diverbug - 18 Jul 2005 01:32 GMT
I can imagine it being frustrating loosing your luggage, But to blame
the airline is a funny thing to do since they fly the plane, the
airport staff are the ones who transfer the bags from check in counter
to the plane,
As for air New Zealand, I live in New Zealand & use them for over 20
trips per year,
Mostly to Fiji, the USA, & to the UK, where I am from originally,
They have never lost or damaged my baggage, so I think your comments
are a little over stated, a bit like blaming the gasoline company when
you have a flat Tyre on your car, as for the staff being insensitive,
Imagine how you would feel in there shoes, they don’t handle the
baggage but put up with people who would know no better thinking they
lost the bags,
A hint for the next time you go way is to take travel insurance, you
could have hired gear, & the insurance would have reimbursed the cost,

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diverbug

Hi everybody I am an enthusiastic water person, I love to be in the
water,
I have been scuba diving now for over 5 years, &amp; snorkeling for
about 7 years,
I have just started to spearfish so to this I am new &amp; looking to
chat with fellow spear fishers who can share sites in New Zealand &amp;
any where else,

diverbug - 18 Jul 2005 01:35 GMT
dont fly air new zealand they loose luggage in Bri Wrote:
> Well the Air quatus personnel at counter said he would call the for the
> transfer he had the tickets and the description of the luggage only one
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> the
> passengers!

So who did you fly with? Quantas or Air NZ?
they dont have an aliance to co share flights,
If you gave the bags to Quantas & flew Air NZ i think you only have
yourself to blame for the mess up

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diverbug

Hi everybody I am an enthusiastic water person, I love to be in the
water,
I have been scuba diving now for over 5 years, &amp; snorkeling for
about 7 years,
I have just started to spearfish so to this I am new &amp; looking to
chat with fellow spear fishers who can share sites in New Zealand &amp;
any where else,

Greg Mossman - 18 Jul 2005 05:44 GMT
> dont fly air new zealand they loose luggage in Bri Wrote:

> Hi everybody I am an enthusiastic water person, I love to be in the

> diverbug's Profile:
> http://forums.deeperblue.net/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=6036

Goddamn this deeperblue.net.  They found a way to get around their ban from
the newsgroup.  And now hordes of idjits will be descending on this poor
newsgroup, replying in threads months if not years stale.  I miss the
spammers and WebTV.
Alan Street - 18 Jul 2005 05:58 GMT
> > dont fly air new zealand they loose luggage in Bri Wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> newsgroup, replying in threads months if not years stale.  I miss the
> spammers and WebTV.

Class action lawsuit?
diverbug - 18 Jul 2005 06:36 GMT
Alan Street Wrote:

> € "diverbug" <diverbug.1scbyz@forums.deeperblue.net> wrote in message
> € news:diverbug.1scbyz@forums.deeperblue.net...
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Class action lawsuit?

As we can all see idjits as you put it you must rank high in there
society,
I would have looked at your profile too see what the master (baiter)
had to give as example but Alan Street, doesn’t seem to have a profile,
if you can explain what is wrong with stating I am an enthusiastic
water person, I am not ashamed of it as there are a lot of wana-bees
out there, like look at you, such a great profile, you don’t want to
leave a link to show the rest of the world,  
So again as you put it,
“Goddamn this deeperblue.net.  They found a way to get around their ban
from
The newsgroup.  And now hordes of idjits will be descending on this
poor
newsgroup, replying in threads months if not years stale.  I miss the
spammers and WebTV”

So lets be blunt the only thing that is stale around here is idjits
that are clueless,
& ashamed of them self so would be sarcastic to others & be afraid to
leave a contact details as people would reply to agree they are sad
lifeless individual

As for missing spammers, if you still need medication to get it up go
see a doctor,
Limp street

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diverbug

Hi everybody I am an enthusiastic water person, I love to be in the
water,
I have been scuba diving now for over 5 years, &amp; snorkeling for
about 7 years,
I have just started to spearfish so to this I am new &amp; looking to
chat with fellow spear fishers who can share sites in New Zealand &amp;
any where else,

Grumman-581 - 18 Jul 2005 07:21 GMT
> I would have looked at your profile too see what the master (baiter)
> had to give as example but Alan Street, doesn't seem to have a profile,
<snip>

You're on deeperblue.net, we're on the USENET newsgroup rec.scuba... We're
the source, you're just a copy... If you want to play with us, you should
come to *our* playground... <grin>
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 19 Jul 2005 00:33 GMT
> You're on deeperblue.net, we're on the USENET newsgroup rec.scuba... We're
> the source, you're just a copy... If you want to play with us, you should
> come to *our* playground... <grin>

   Does our playground have a kiddie pool?

   If not, you're appointed lifeguard.  <grin>

Curtis
Scott - 19 Jul 2005 00:39 GMT
> > You're on deeperblue.net, we're on the USENET newsgroup rec.scuba... We're
> > the source, you're just a copy... If you want to play with us, you should
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>     If not, you're appointed lifeguard.  <grin>

You *are* an evil man...
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 19 Jul 2005 00:37 GMT
>> > come to *our* playground... <grin>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> You *are* an evil man...

   It's the big ape in me seething to get out.....

Curtis
Michael Wolf - 19 Jul 2005 08:44 GMT
"Magilla" wrote:

>>>>come to *our* playground... <grin>
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Curtis

It didn't yet?

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cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 19 Jul 2005 14:30 GMT
>>     It's the big ape in me seething to get out.....

> It didn't yet?

   Naw, you're confusing me with some of the other great apes here.   ;-)

Curtis
Grumman-581 - 18 Jul 2005 07:23 GMT
<snip>

Oh, I forgot to say,

"Welcome to rec.scuba... Has anyone told you to f.ck off yet?"
Alan Street - 18 Jul 2005 15:58 GMT
> So lets be blunt the only thing that is stale around here is idjits
> that are clueless,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> see a doctor,
> Limp street

Ah, another bright-eyed innocent dives under the ropes and is now
swimming in the real ocean. And to add to the fun, he's kind of a cocky
little squirt with a bit of an attitude and a predilection for the
lower half of the bell curve.

Tell you what, Mr. KiwiBug, once you figure out which parts of the
reply were written by me and which were written by Greg, why don't you
carefully sort them out and forward them to one of the volunteers. I'm
sure they'll agree with you that we're not the kind of people you want
on DeeperBlue.net, and I'm sure they'll revoke our privileges straight
away. Once you've done that, you can return here and tell everyone else
how you've started to clean up the place. I'm sure everyone will then
cheerfully answer all your questions and share your newfound enthusiasm
for diving and spearfishing.

Cheers,

Alan
diverbug - 19 Jul 2005 05:35 GMT
Hey Alan
How are you doing?
You asked if any one has ever told me to f.ck off.
I was intrigued that you did I was assuming you want me to f.ck off?
Why would that be?
After all you did start the insults,
What made your insults more comical is how uneducated they seem to be,
Have you ever heard the saying "Not the sharpest pencil in the
draw"
It in many ways describes you!

A few things you said

"Replying in threads months if not years stale."

The forum I replied to was four weeks old, that is less than the
average calendar month, so I think you should get a few of your facts
right before you go making profound comments,

"To stay out of rec.scuba unless they can follow the simple rules of
netiquette.  That means no posting to stale threads that are months if
not
years old."

When I posted my response, I was not actually in "rec.scuba" I was
in Deep Blue,
And where are the rules of netiquette?
I have still been unable to locate them,

Then you go on to say
"You're on deeperblue.net; we're on the USENET newsgroup rec.scuba...
We're
the source; you're just a copy... If you want to play with us, you
should
come to *our* playground... "

This clearly states you know where I am & you are,

So I am starting to think you are a very confused, sad & lost
individual who gets his kicks out of trying to throwing meaningless
insults but you still have not the IQ level to realize to deliver an
insult requires intelligence,
& the only little squirt on the net I would say was you!
A squirt from day one,
You were probably squirted into a condom & spilled onto the bed before
your mother sat on the stain, becoming fertilized, giving birth to Mr.
Squirt, & you were probably the shortest in the class, the squirt,
bullied for being a squirt, hence the need to act the man on the net
where you can attempt to be some one, you define your "play ground"
as "the Real Ocean"
Now I would relate the invitation to your playground as too where you
were bullied as a child at school, where you had the chance to define
your sad worthless life but you became a victim, the squirt that was
the school punch bag,

So you invite people to the playground to try to stand aground and
prove you are a man & not the squirt you have been for so long,

And you were saying
Tell you what, Mr. KiwiBug, once you Bla Bla Bla
I guess the reference Kiwibug is in relation to being in New Zealand?
Am I from NZ? Or would you being the only peanut in the turd you assume
I am from NZ?
If I am from NZ then I would pride my self as a Kiwi, if im not then
the insult is about as hurtful as a chocolate fire guard is useful,
If you don't get the last part let me know I will simplify it for you
again,

And for another quote from the dumb a.s again (meaning You)
"I'm sure everyone will then
cheerfully answer all your questions and share your newfound enthusiasm

for diving and spearfishing"
If you read the entirety of my profile you would see I have been Scuba
diving for five years now, Not exactly new found now is it? You really
seem to be the kind of guy who leaps with out looking then breaks his
leg & says if I had seen it I wouldn't have jumped,
Now try not to loose sleep or time in syberporn sites replying as you
are not really the type of individual I would care to waste more than 5
Miniutes of my time on,
Sadly you have had six miniutes, that is probably more than your life
is worth,
Now go Toss Toss,  & remember to wipe the keyboard your flat mate wont
want too be a victim of an unwanted brat like your mother was,
Alan Street - 19 Jul 2005 06:07 GMT
> Hey Alan
> How are you doing?

I'm doing fine. You?

> You asked if any one has ever told me to f.ck off.

Actually, no I didn't. If you can figure it out, I suggest you visit
groups.google.com (I'd suggest a real newsreader, but I have this
sneaky suspicion you don't even know what one is), enter "rec.scuba"
and try to find this thread. If and when you do, see who said what,
when. You'll discover that every word you've attributed to me was
posted by someone else (not that I disagree with them, just that I
didn't say them).

Here's a hint - prior to your ill-advised rant on this newsgroup, the
only thing I posted was, "class-action lawsuit?"

I know it'a big homework assignment, but if you want to swim in the
deep end  you have have to how to play with the big boys.

> When I posted my response, I was not actually in "rec.scuba" I was
> in Deep Blue,

Newsflash. None of us are in "Deep Blue." You're posting in Usenet,
little bug, and you haven't got a clue.

> And where are the rules of netiquette?
> I have still been unable to locate them,

That's rather obvious.

Stephen, please save this guy from himself before he makes a total
mockery of your website.

Alan
Grumman-581 - 19 Jul 2005 06:27 GMT
> I know it'a big homework assignment, but if you want to swim in the
> deep end  you have have to how to play with the big boys.

He's a total maroon... He just keeps digging himself in deeper and deeper...

> Stephen, please save this guy from himself before he makes a total
> mockery of your website.

Too late...
chilly - 19 Jul 2005 10:23 GMT
> ? Hey Alan
> ? How are you doing?
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Stephen, please save this guy from himself before he makes a total
> mockery of your website.

Oh, Alan, you were so gentle with the little putz.  I guess it will be up to
some of the other rec.scuba denizens to eat this guy for breakfast.  MmmMmm,
fresh meat.  It's been a while.

> Alan
diverbug - 21 Jul 2005 11:36 GMT
Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,

As for "Fresh Meat"

You sound like a priest when his new unsuspecting group of quire boys
show up.
Michael Wolf - 21 Jul 2005 12:02 GMT
> Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,

Alan actually succeeded, which can't be said of you.

> As for "Fresh Meat"

yep, 'fresh' comes right before 'minced' here.

> You sound like a priest when his new unsuspecting group of quire boys
> show up.

I can imagine Chilly would like that a group of (a bit elder) quire boys
shows up...

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diverbug - 24 Jul 2005 02:24 GMT
> > Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
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Who said I was trying to be witty?
I said Alan was, &  I was trying to understand why Alan seems so sad
that his life long fulfillment is to come to a site like this & act
like an a.s, being rude,
If you go back to the start, I believe these sites are for people to
make comments & share an opinion, (right or wrong) & I replied to a
post that was in a site relating to scuba diving, The post was blaming
an airline for loosing baggage, I guess the person who posted this had
no idea how things work in an airport so I explained, then you have
people like Alan & you who then attack like, a man who comes to a fight
that is finished & then kicks the unconscious guy on the ground,
(He was unconscious before you arrived though, incase you didn't get
that part)
I am assuming you are in the same sad state of mind as Alan this would
be why you feel the need to come to his rescue, if you were any better
or different to Alan, & all those other lifeless individuals who come
to these sites to prove a point, the point being you don't have a
clue, like some other guy in here called Dennis (Icarus) who asks have
you heard of Google, even though this is a Google room, this is what I
mean by saying Clueless, not smart, dumb, uneducated, it is a shame
that there is so many people like you in the world, if this is what
your life is for, coming in to a room to be an a.shole, then why not
just commit suicide, no one will miss you, & you will provide business
to the local funeral parlor, reduce the population on the world, cut
down on garbage production, & leave more food for other people to eat,
can you see the benefits the removal of your wasted bag of bones would
provide the rest of us?

So why not give it a try?
Dennis (Icarus) - 24 Jul 2005 03:13 GMT
> > > Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,
> >
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> clue, like some other guy in here called Dennis (Icarus) who asks have
> you heard of Google, even though this is a Google room, this is what I

No, this s is not a google room. Thus is Usenet. Google may provide a means
to post, and to search for previous articles, but Usenet newsgroups predate
google by quite a few years.
http://www.netdictionary.com/u.html
look for Usenet

for a longer history, try here

> mean by saying Clueless, not smart, dumb, uneducated, it is a shame

uneducated? Ask Carl Nisrael about my educational background  :-)

> that there is so many people like you in the world, if this is what
> your life is for, coming in to a room to be an a.shole, then why not

Again, this isn't a room.

> just commit suicide, no one will miss you, & you will provide business
> to the local funeral parlor, reduce the population on the world, cut
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>
> So why not give it a try?

Sure, as soon as you try swamp diving in Louisiana? Be sure to wear a deer
skin.
That'll keep the gators away.

Dennis
diverbug - 24 Jul 2005 02:46 GMT
> > Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,
>
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>
> remove stopspam to reply

Who said I was trying to be witty?
I said Alan was, &  I was trying to understand why Alan seems so sad
that his life long fulfillment is to come to a site like this & act
like an a.s, being rude,
If you go back to the start, I believe these sites are for people to
make comments & share an opinion, (right or wrong) & I replied to a
post that was in a site relating to scuba diving, The post was blaming
an airline for loosing baggage, I guess the person who posted this had
no idea how things work in an airport so I explained, then you have
people like Alan & you who then attack like, a man who comes to a fight
that is finished & then kicks the unconscious guy on the ground,
(He was unconscious before you arrived though, incase you didn't get
that part)
I am assuming you are in the same sad state of mind as Alan this would
be why you feel the need to come to his rescue, if you were any better
or different to Alan, & all those other lifeless individuals who come
to these sites to prove a point, the point being you don't have a
clue, like some other guy in here called Dennis (Icarus) who asks have
you heard of Google, even though this is a Google room, this is what I
mean by saying Clueless, not smart, dumb, uneducated, it is a shame
that there is so many people like you in the world, if this is what
your life is for, coming in to a room to be an a.shole, then why not
just commit suicide, no one will miss you, & you will provide business
to the local funeral parlor, reduce the population on the world, cut
down on garbage production, & leave more food for other people to eat,
can you see the benefits the removal of your wasted bag of bones would
provide the rest of us?

So why not give it a try?
Michael Wolf - 25 Jul 2005 09:24 GMT
>>>Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> that his life long fulfillment is to come to a site like this & act
> like an a.s, being rude,

this isn't a site, it's Usenet: being (able to be) rude is a basic
survival skill here.

> If you go back to the start, I believe these sites are for people to
> make comments & share an opinion, (right or wrong) & I replied to a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> (He was unconscious before you arrived though, incase you didn't get
> that part)

So, you're into kicking unconscious people and we shouldn't stop you?

> I am assuming you are in the same sad state of mind as Alan this would
> be why you feel the need to come to his rescue, if you were any better
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> you heard of Google, even though this is a Google room, this is what I
> mean by saying Clueless,

this isn't a Google room...talk about clueless...

 not smart, dumb, uneducated, it is a shame
> that there is so many people like you in the world, if this is what
> your life is for, coming in to a room to be an a.shole,

helloooo: this ----  isn't ---- a ---- room

 then why not
> just commit suicide, no one will miss you, & you will provide business
> to the local funeral parlor, reduce the population on the world, cut
> down on garbage production, & leave more food for other people to eat,
> can you see the benefits the removal of your wasted bag of bones would
> provide the rest of us?

yes, but I'm not that altruistic

> So why not give it a try?

Could you demonstrate?

BTW: you even posted it twice...

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Grumman-581 - 25 Jul 2005 09:29 GMT
> BTW: you even posted it twice...

Yeah and it was just as stupid the second time he posted it as the first
time... <snicker>
Dennis (Icarus) - 21 Jul 2005 14:06 GMT
> Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,
>
> As for "Fresh Meat"
>
> You sound like a priest when his new unsuspecting group of quire boys
> show up.

One would think you meant "choir".
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=quire
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=choir

See what I mean? quire was incorrect, but it passed the spellcheck.
Or perhaps you could explain what you meant by "24 or 25 sheets of paper"
boys?

Dennis
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 21 Jul 2005 14:21 GMT
> Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,
>
> As for "Fresh Meat"
>
> You sound like a priest when his new unsuspecting group of quire boys
> show up.

   And you chatter like a little bitch on his first day in prison.......

Curtis
Scott - 21 Jul 2005 14:34 GMT
>     And you chatter like a little bitch on his first day in prison.......

<cough>
diverbug - 24 Jul 2005 02:45 GMT
"Magilla" wrote:

> > Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Curtis

I wouldnt have any idea, I didnt think they would have internet access
in prison, They should bring back chain gangs & treat you like the
animal you are,
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 24 Jul 2005 04:13 GMT
   a typical schoolboy reply, and you still chatter like a little bitch on
his first day in prison.......

Curtis
Chris Guynn - 21 Jul 2005 14:54 GMT
> Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,
>
> As for "Fresh Meat"
>
> You sound like a priest when his new unsuspecting group of quire boys
> show up.

what, exactly is a "quier boy"?

My two closest guesses would be queer boy, which doesn't make any sense, and
choir boy, but that would be a hideous misspelling.
diverbug - 24 Jul 2005 02:51 GMT
> > Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> My two closest guesses would be queer boy, which doesn't make any sense, and
> choir boy, but that would be a hideous misspelling.

A Young lad who sings at Church
Chris Guynn - 25 Jul 2005 15:49 GMT
> > > Putzy chilly, Alan has tried to be witty, poor him,
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> A Young lad who sings at Church

That's what I figured... the correct spelling is choir.
Froggy - 21 Jul 2005 17:57 GMT
> You sound like a priest when his new unsuspecting group of quire
> (sic) boys show up.

Quite an apt comparison.

So, how does it feel to play the choir boy?

Cheers,

Froggy
chilly - 21 Jul 2005 19:31 GMT
> > You sound like a priest when his new unsuspecting group of quire
> > (sic) boys show up.
>
> Quite an apt comparison.
>
> So, how does it feel to play the choir boy?

Oooohhh!  I thought diverbug was playing the queer boy.
Chris Guynn - 21 Jul 2005 20:29 GMT
> > > You sound like a priest when his new unsuspecting group of quire
> > > (sic) boys show up.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Oooohhh!  I thought diverbug was playing the queer boy.

Is there a difference?
chilly - 21 Jul 2005 20:54 GMT
> > Oooohhh!  I thought diverbug was playing the queer boy.
>
> Is there a difference?

There is to me.  Is this some subtlety that would escape me due to my
gender?
diverbug - 21 Jul 2005 11:26 GMT
> Here's a hint - prior to your ill-advised rant on this newsgroup, the
> only thing I posted was, "class-action lawsuit?"
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> That's rather obvious.

Like I said, when I first posted a reply to the comments posted,
I actually was in deep blue; the thread was from this site,
but was located in deep blue,
Till my last posted comment yesterday, I had never been to USENET!

So "News Flash" where I was & where the posted thread came up were
two different locations,

Like i said above, i am unable to locate the rules of netiquette?
The you keep ranting about,
I dont think you know either,
As your rules for your world only exist in your head,
And another thing, How you keep ranting about this original thread
being months, & years stale,
It was 34 days old when my comment was posted, (I actually mean 34days
from when the thread was started) so if in your world this is months or
years, then good for you,
And as for playing with the big boys,
I am sorry to say I stopped playing with stuffed toys many years ago,
so I guess I wouldn't fit in to your little world,
Dennis (Icarus) - 21 Jul 2005 14:03 GMT
>> Here's a hint - prior to your ill-advised rant on this newsgroup, the
>> only thing I posted was, "class-action lawsuit?"
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
>Like i said above, i am unable to locate the rules of netiquette?
Have you looked?
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-07,G
GLD:en&q=netiquette

A gogole search yielded 1,320,000 hits
You have heard of google, yes?

>The you keep ranting about,
>I dont think you know either,
>As your rules for your world only exist in your head,
>And another thing, How you keep ranting about this original thread
>being months, & years stale,
>It was 34 days old when my comment was posted, (I actually mean 34days

Look up "exaggerate"
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exaggerate

>from when the thread was started) so if in your world this is months or
>years, then good for you,
>And as for playing with the big boys,
>I am sorry to say I stopped playing with stuffed toys many years ago,
>so I guess I wouldn't fit in to your little world,

Yes, keep believing that.

Dennis
diverbug - 24 Jul 2005 02:49 GMT
> >> Here's a hint - prior to your ill-advised rant on this newsgroup, the
> >> only thing I posted was, "class-action lawsuit?"
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> >The you keep ranting about,

> Look up "exaggerate"
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exaggerate
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Dennis

It is good to see you have no life, but again, I only asked about the
spelling,
I don't have all day to be politically correct, when it comes to
dealing with people with no life, you can't have a very for filling
life when you can spend so much time looking for errors, in how a
sentence was constructed, as for have I heard of Google?
I will leave you to work that one out, to be honest, I had heard of
these kind of rooms but I had never actually been to one, till last
week, I actually guess this is what a Star Trek fan does now instead of
master baiting to comics,
To be fair, I know why normal people don't bother with these sites,
Like I keep saying, if you don't have a life, just get over your
self, move on, or buy a length of rope & hang your self,
If your life is that bad that you need to sit & try to better your self
buy criticizing other people, I am sure if you try your recommended
site Google, you will be able to find ways to DIY Death tips & hints,
Even if you have no idea what rope is (since you seem to think Google
is a well kept secret) sense any sarcasm? Any way back to the point you
know the cable that comes from the computer, (the thing you are using
now?)  No, No the whole unit, the thing with all the on it letters is
the Key board, if you look there will be a cord it is attached to the
wall, if you tug it I will come out, try it, you can use that to hang
your self, it will save you the confusion of discovering what  rope is,
& also wrap one end around your neck, & tie a knot in it with your neck
in the loop, now climb a tree & attach the cord (the opposite end from
the loop around your neck) to a branch at least 4 meters high from the
ground, & see if you can find a flaw in Isaac Newton's work, if you
can prove him wrong you can always come back on line & tell the world,
( I actually mean his calculations in relation to Gravity & not you
found a grammar error that is over 300 years old, Please note I
actually said over, not that the theory was only 300 years old)(I also
said Grammar & not spelling, or punctuation, incase you feel the need
to prove your still an a.s)

One last, tip make sure your feet can't touch the ground when the
cord becomes tight with the weight of your body on the end, the whole
reason it is referred to as Hanging, other wise you would be a dog on a
rope attached to the tree while the dogs owner is in the  shop buying
some milk,

It will also be another cool place for you to hang around......
Dennis (Icarus) - 24 Jul 2005 03:24 GMT
> > >> Here's a hint - prior to your ill-advised rant on this newsgroup, the
> > >> only thing I posted was, "class-action lawsuit?"
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> > >Like i said above, i am unable to locate the rules of netiquette?
> > Have you looked?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-07,G
GLD:en&q=netiquette

> > A gogole search yielded 1,320,000 hits
> > You have heard of google, yes?
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> It is good to see you have no life, but again, I only asked about the
> spelling,

And hopefuly you learned something from my critique.
(yeah, I'm being optimistic)

> I don't have all day to be politically correct, when it comes to
> dealing with people with no life, you can't have a very for filling
> life when you can spend so much time looking for errors, in how a

You have as good a handle on how filling (I think you mean fulfilling) my
life is as you do on writing, spelling & grammar
:-)

> sentence was constructed, as for have I heard of Google?
> I will leave you to work that one out, to be honest, I had heard of

Ok, I take it you haven't.
try here
   http://www.google.com

> these kind of rooms but I had never actually been to one, till last
> week, I actually guess this is what a Star Trek fan does now instead of
> master baiting to comics,
> To be fair, I know why normal people don't bother with these sites,
> Like I keep saying, if you don't have a life, just get over your
> self, move on, or buy a length of rope & hang your self,

You've really got to give that Louisiana swamp diving a try.
Make sure the deerskin you wear is fresh - that's important.

> If your life is that bad that you need to sit & try to better your self
> buy criticizing other people, I am sure if you try your recommended

Look, newbie, you said you couldn't spot the spelling errors.
I figured you'd appreciate the help. :-)

> site Google, you will be able to find ways to DIY Death tips & hints,
> Even if you have no idea what rope is (since you seem to think Google
> is a well kept secret) sense any sarcasm? Any way back to the point you

I figured you didn't know of it, since you said you hadn't found anything on
"netiquette".

> know the cable that comes from the computer, (the thing you are using
> now?)  No, No the whole unit, the thing with all the on it letters is
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> said Grammar & not spelling, or punctuation, incase you feel the need
> to prove your still an a.s)

Newton's kind of old hat. Try explaining again using General Relativity.

> One last, tip make sure your feet can't touch the ground when the
> cord becomes tight with the weight of your body on the end, the whole
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> It will also be another cool place for you to hang around......

And, sadly, I do believe that is the best, the absolute best, you can do.

Dennis
diverbug - 24 Jul 2005 04:00 GMT
Like I keep saying, if you had a life, you should do something
constructive with it,
As for the advice on swimming in Louisiana while wearing a deer skin,
I guess that is why you sit around trying to prove you're not stupid,

You took the advice, & you have got no legs, so you sit on your a.s to
prove you are as big a.s the a.s you sit on,

As for not hearing of Google, I am not surprised that this is New to
you, after your swim you found the meaning of "Joke" & "To
Late" followed by "Bugger"

So try to understand I have worked out you have no life, you are an
a.shole, & you are in denial of this, So next time you go for a swim in
the lake try wrapping the deer skin around your hear, it will keep your
ears warm too,
You ask "And hopefuly you learned something from my critique"
I lerned from the sentence there is almost a hint of human in the shell
You see ***Hopefuly**** is spelled ******hopefully***** so what do you
actually have to teach?
I all ready know you are an a.shole, with no life,
I think you should take my advice on the cable from the computer, there
really is no hope for you now the last remaining thread of dignity you
had is gone,

"Old Hat" might be a cool saying in the swamp too but there is a
world out side of the big swamp, you should try having a look, actually
go to the site you were telling me about http://google.com and type
world you will see the swamp is like a pimple on a planet, if the world
could we would pop you & be done with you, but life is not so simple,

> > It is good to see you have no life, but again, I only asked about the
> > spelling,
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>
> Dennis
Dennis (Icarus) - 24 Jul 2005 04:18 GMT
> Like I keep saying, if you had a life, you should do something
> constructive with it,

I am - I try to assist clueless newbies. Sometimes they're beyond help

> As for the advice on swimming in Louisiana while wearing a deer skin,
> I guess that is why you sit around trying to prove you're not stupid,

You'd be guessing wrong - you're really not doing too well at this.

> You took the advice, & you have got no legs, so you sit on your a.s to
> prove you are as big a.s the a.s you sit on,
>
> As for not hearing of Google, I am not surprised that this is New to
> you, after your swim you found the meaning of "Joke" & "To
> Late" followed by "Bugger"

Oh its not new to me - found anything on "netiquette" yet? :-)

> So try to understand I have worked out you have no life, you are an
> a.shole, & you are in denial of this, So next time you go for a swim in
> the lake try wrapping the deer skin around your hear, it will keep your
> ears warm too,

> You ask "And hopefuly you learned something from my critique"
> I lerned from the sentence there is almost a hint of human in the shell
> You see ***Hopefuly**** is spelled ******hopefully***** so what do you
> actually have to teach?

and "lerned" is spelled "learned". :-)
Congrats on finally spotting a spelling error. You get a gold star.

> I all ready know you are an a.shole, with no life,

and "all ready" would be "already"
want to keep going? :-)

> I think you should take my advice on the cable from the computer, there
> really is no hope for you now the last remaining thread of dignity you
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> world you will see the swamp is like a pimple on a planet, if the world
> could we would pop you & be done with you, but life is not so simple,

Dennis
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 24 Jul 2005 04:44 GMT
> and "lerned" is spelled "learned". :-)
> Congrats on finally spotting a spelling error. You get a gold star.

> and "all ready" would be "already"
> want to keep going? :-)

   Er, Dennis, you missed analyzing diverbug, a compound word formed from
the two words "diver" and "bug".  Means he thinks he's already a diver, and
he's learning to be a pest.

Curtis
Scott - 24 Jul 2005 07:00 GMT
> > and "lerned" is spelled "learned". :-)
> > Congrats on finally spotting a spelling error. You get a gold star.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> the two words "diver" and "bug".  Means he thinks he's already a diver, and
> he's learning to be a pest.

"bugger" being the operative word...
Grumman-581 - 24 Jul 2005 08:11 GMT
> "bugger" being the operative word...

He's a loudmouthed little kid... Doesn't even know the difference between
USENET and a web site... Everytime he opens his mouth, he shows what an
idiot he is... He really illustrates that saying, "Better to keep one's
mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"...
Hell, we try to give him some constructive criticism, but he's too fuckin'
obtuse to learn from it... Hell, we couldn't even get past his ignorance to
start discussing the important things -- guns, politics, Spare-Air, and the
proper wearing of a banana on your head while diving...
chilly - 24 Jul 2005 10:29 GMT
> > "bugger" being the operative word...
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> start discussing the important things -- guns, politics, Spare-Air, and the
> proper wearing of a banana on your head while diving...

A new topic has just come up (so to speak).  "Ticklers".
Scott - 24 Jul 2005 16:45 GMT
> > "bugger" being the operative word...
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> start discussing the important things -- guns, politics, Spare-Air, and the
> proper wearing of a banana on your head while diving...

He made my KF in a single post.
cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com - 24 Jul 2005 17:07 GMT
> He made my KF in a single post.

   Then you missed most of the comedy.   ;-)

Curtis
Chris Guynn - 25 Jul 2005 15:50 GMT
> Like I keep saying, if you had a life, you should do something
> constructive with it,

He'd do something constructive like trying to insult someone on Usenet?
diverbug - 24 Jul 2005 04:12 GMT
As for Newton being old hat, what is Icarus, new hat in Louisiana?
You know the reference next to your name?
You in some ways are like him, trying to fly hi bit in your case
landing with a plop in the swamp,

But the term Old hat is dually noted as a hip thing to say if I ever
end up in a plane that crashes in your local swamp, along with how to
end it if I feel like there is no way to escape your hell hole of a bog
land,

)

> Newton's kind of old hat. Try explaining again using General Relativity.

> > It will also be another cool place for you to hang around......
>
> And, sadly, I do believe that is the best, the absolute best, you can do.
>
> Dennis
-hh - 21 Jul 2005 15:59 GMT
Diverbug writes:
> Like i said above, i am unable to locate the rules of netiquette?

When you're looking for information, something called a "Search Engine"
is what you want to use.  For example, a couple of people have heard of
one called "Google", and its probably a good place to start.

For example, search terms like "Usenet etiquette" and "Netiquette" turn
up the following useful webpages:

http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/

However, the classic netiquette advice is from 'Emily Postnews':

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/emily-postnews/part1/
http://www.templetons.com/brad/emily.html

(BTW, in case you're humor-impared, this is a satire piece)

There's also a FAQ that I've been too lazy to take the time to give is
a major rewrite:

http://scifi.squawk.com/scuba.html

Finally, please be awaer none of us are in any way obligated to be at
your beck and call to answer any/all of your questions, nor are we in
any way obligated to assure that we're actually correct.  In other
words, free advice to be worth what you paid for it, and may only
irregularly provided...

-hh
diverbug - 24 Jul 2005 03:36 GMT
You were saying there is something called a "Search Engine"
What kind of car is it in & where do you buy them?
Do you require a license to drive them & how do you actually manage to
fit in it to drive it around through the small cables & chips in the
computer, & the internet?

Now you are probably scratching your head to work out if I am serious,
I was asking about the Rules of netiquette for Rec.scuba, I am guessing
the addresses you posted would generalize for all Usenet threads,

And as for treating people like they are stupid, I keep asking for
people who do this, people like you, you said
"When you're looking for information, something called a "Search
Engine" is what you want to use."

So do you really get kicks from this, or are you just really new to the
net (short for internet) & would like to show your new found Knowledge
with the world?

Or are you really Just Stupid?

There is an old saying, "Treat people how you want to be treated"

So in your case have you passed the potty stage? Are you using a toilet
yet?
Or do you still wear nappies (AKA diapers depending where in the world
you are) (AKA = Also Know As)

Or do you just have such a meaningless life this is how you make your
self feel like a worth while human?

If you answered yes to the last question, you should try using your new
found tool
"the search engine" & look for tips & ways to end the waste of a
life you have,

Another thing you said,
>Finally, please be aware none of us are in any way obligated to be at
> your beck and call to answer any/all of your questions, nor are we in
> any way obligated to assure that we're actually correct.  In other
> words, free advice to be worth what you paid for it, and may only
> irregularly provided...

I never thought you were obligated to be at my beck & call,
I never expected it to be correct; if I did I would be in the stupid
club too,
I also didn't ask for advice, just where to find what I was being
asked if I had read,
For advice I would go to a site where people went as they actually
participate in the subject of what the site is about,

I wouldn't go to a site for telling jokes if I wanted advice on
skydiving locations, would I?

But thank you for the advice you gave, it was like you said it was
free, so worth nothing, but I was moved you took time to share your
discovery of "the search engine" with us all.............. DB

PS If you are still trying to work out if I know what a "Search
Engine" is then type "Commit Suicide" in there, it might help you
out of your sad & sorry state.

(Also You might have to try a bit harder but it is a push in the right
direction)

> Diverbug writes:
> > Like i said above, i am unable to locate the rules of netiquette?
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> -hh
H Huntzinger - 24 Jul 2005 14:20 GMT
> There is an old saying, "Treat people how you want to be treated"

There certainly is.  I tried, but you insisted on being a rude, spoiled
whiney brat.  

FWIW, don't think that I didn't notice that you never answered the
question I posed to you way back on June 16th:

  "How can you prove that it was Air NZ that lost your
   luggage and not your first carrier, Air Canada, or
   the baggage handlers en route?  After all you went
   through LAX and luggage theft problems there have
   been reported."


Similarly, for your desire to be reimbursed and compensated:

  "And if you asked correctly, you would have been,
   since airlines are required to provide compensation
   for lost/delayed baggage. The exact details are printed
   on the ticket and/or ticket holder."

Finally, for your bitching about a trip you had saved and planned for
two years for:

   "To compensate for the risk of catastrophic loss, one
    buys insurance....Bottom line is that if you can't
    afford even the risk of loss, don't go."

The bottom line is that you're now lamely whining about something that
is always a risk - - one that's manageable through your own choices to
insure for - - but you chose to take the risk of going without a safety
net...and had the 'bad luck' to have suffered the consequences.

> I was asking about the Rules of netiquette for Rec.scuba...

You already got the answer to that, and you were obstinately unsatisfied
with it.  Hence, my generalization on Netiquette...perhaps it was what
you were looking for?  Its hard to read your mind when nobody's home,
particularly when you don't even know what you want.

> I never thought you were obligated to be at my beck & call,
> I never expected it to be correct; if I did I would be in the stupid
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> For advice I would go to a site where people went as they actually
> participate in the subject of what the site is about,

So then what the hell do you want?  

Are you looking for "justice" (actually: revenge) against a big airline?

If so, you've not successfully made your case as to exactly who was
culpable for your material loss.  

Are you looking for sympathy?  

If so, you've come to the wrong place:  you've insisted on being an
a.shole, so its quite kharmatically appropriate that you were the guy
who gets ripped off, for you're simply being treated in the fashion that
you deserve (sound familiar?).

And so on.  Put up or shut up.

-hh
Alan Street - 24 Jul 2005 20:31 GMT
> You were saying there is something called a "Search Engine"
> What kind of car is it in & where do you buy them?
> Do you require a license to drive them & how do you actually manage to
> fit in it to drive it around through the small cables & chips in the
> computer, & the internet?

Stevebonics!! I knew that style of English mangling was familiar!
Froggy - 25 Jul 2005 11:35 GMT
> There is an old saying, "Treat people how you want to be treated"

Lurk a bit and you will see that here people treat each other the way
they treat you (abuse, insult, make fun of, kick in the head, and
generally have a good time out of it...).

Cheers,

Froggy
Michael Wolf - 25 Jul 2005 11:49 GMT
>>There is an old saying, "Treat people how you want to be treated"
>
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>
> Froggy

It's what makes us come back every day...

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Chris Guynn - 25 Jul 2005 15:53 GMT
> > There is an old saying, "Treat people how you want to be treated"
>
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>
> Froggy

Bite me.  :-)
John Mason Jr - 25 Jul 2005 22:28 GMT
>>Here's a hint - prior to your ill-advised rant on this newsgroup, the
>>only thing I posted was, "class-action lawsuit?"
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Like i said above, i am unable to locate the rules of netiquette?
> The you keep ranting about,

merely putting netiquette in google gives the following
<http://tinyurl.com/7jr3a>

but the rfc can be found here
<http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html>

Best part of following the netiquette is that when someone uses a search
engine or other archive they can see all the relavent perts of the
conversation in one shot.

JM
Grumman-581 - 19 Jul 2005 06:20 GMT
> Hey Alan
> How are you doing?
> You asked if any one has ever told me to f.ck off.
<snip-a-bunch-of-dribble>

You really should pay more attention to who posted what so that you would
know to whom to reply about what... You attributed the replies of quite a
few of the rec.scuba regulars to Alan... If you're going to attempt to
insult someone, you really should be more accurate in the targeting of your
insult attempts...

Oh, and BTW, 5 years as a diver isn't necessarily all that much to brag
about... You're still a newbie... Over here, quite a few of us remember when
Darwin was the only certification agency... You didn't get a certificate if
you passed, but you definitely got one from the M.E. if you failed...

"Welcome to rec.scuba... Has anyone told you to f.ck off yet?"
diverbug - 21 Jul 2005 02:25 GMT
For your information, when I commented I had been diving for 5 years, I
was not actually bragging, if you had the intelligence to read the
whole article, you would see I was highlighting the fact that 5 years
as a scuba diver was not new found,
Again you asked has any one told me to f.ck off.

Well actually, No they haven't, & even if they did then Boo Hoo, I
wont loose any sleep over it as people are entitle to an opinion but
whether their opinion counts is another matter, & as for how long you
have been diving?
I couldn't actually care less; you probably spend more time trying to
brag about how long ago your first ever dive was, on sites like this,

Now should I ask if any one has ever told you to fuckoff?

They probably have but as a parasite this won't be new to you,

So enjoy your life, enjoy reminiscing on how long you have been a
qualified diver,
& go back to reading picture books if there is too much text in this
article for you to cope with.......
Grumman-581 - 21 Jul 2005 03:40 GMT
> Again you asked has any one told me to f.ck off.

No, you still don't quite get it... The phrase is:
"Welcome to rec.scuba... Has anyone told you to f.ck off yet?"

Some people word the greeting as:
"Welcome to rec.scuba... Has anyone been rude to you yet?"

Around here, this is a polite greeting...

> Well actually, No they haven't, & even if they did then Boo Hoo, I
> wont loose any sleep over it as people are entitle to an opinion but
> whether their opinion counts is another matter, & as for how long you
> have been diving?

Wow, a rather sensitive net-newbie here...

How long have *I* been diving... Awh, hell, let me break out the fingers,
toes, and whatever other appendages that I can find... Ooops ran out of
them... Hmmm... I think it works out to be around 27 years by now... Back
then we didn't have pens and paper, we had to use chisel them into stone
tablets... Of course, there's some around here who have been diving so long
that even stone wasn't invented at that time... <grin>

> I couldn't actually care less; you probably spend more time trying to
> brag about how long ago your first ever dive was, on sites like this,

Hell kid, I probably have tanks older than you...

> Now should I ask if any one has ever told you to fuckoff?

Of course they have, it's a rec.scuba tradition...

You've gone from one extreme of replying to the wrong message and
attributing the comments to the wrong person to not even including the
original message so no one knows which message you are replying to... Since
you're obviously new to Google Groups, here's the technique that you would
need to use:

Instead of just clicking on "Reply" at the bottom of the message, click on
"Show Options" at the top of the message and then click on "Reply" on the
new line that appears after the message headers but before the message
body... This method will include the text of the message that you are
replying to so that you can then edit it for just the portions of the
message that your are responding... Top posting is frowned upon... Not
snipping the irrelevent text is also frowned upon, but unfortunately, a lot
of people are lazy and leave it in there...
Grumman-581 - 19 Jul 2005 06:20 GMT
<snip>

Hey, he's out of deeperblue.net and using Google Groups... I guess this
means that he taking his first steps out of the kiddie pool... Be careful,
the water's kind of deep over here and the life preservers are rather
negatively buoyant...
diverbug - 21 Jul 2005 02:28 GMT
IF this is what you call deep water bro, i am starting to think the
only diving you do is in the bath tub
dazed and confuzzed - 21 Jul 2005 02:37 GMT
> IF this is what you call deep water bro, i am starting to think the
> only diving you do is in the bath tub

Try posting the message you are replying to when you reply, especially
on an old thread....

You must be using google.

Not looking for trouble here, just giving you info since you seem to be
new to usenet.

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diverbug - 21 Jul 2005 02:39 GMT
IF this is what you call deep water bro, i am starting to think the
only diving you do is in the bath tub
Scott - 21 Jul 2005 05:00 GMT
> IF this is what you call deep water bro, i am starting to think the
> only diving you do is in the bath tub

ka-plonk
Greg Mossman - 21 Jul 2005 05:04 GMT
>> IF this is what you call deep water bro, i am starting to think the
>> only diving you do is in the bath tub
>
> ka-plonk

What happened to the anti-elitist?
Grumman-581 - 21 Jul 2005 05:24 GMT
> What happened to the anti-elitist?

Scott's bored with the newbie kid... He doesn't want to play anymore... The
kid has an attitude, a lack of understanding, and to top it off, rather poor
spelling and grammar... <grin>  I guess not all of 'em are on WebTV...
Scott - 21 Jul 2005 06:33 GMT
> > What happened to the anti-elitist?

No one was talking to you, dickhead.

And, I will point out, I am not the one calling everyone in America that
doesnt suck cock in LA stupid, you are.

Go sue someone, hire a wetback, back a spineless faggot traitor, talk about
how great a filthy whore Hillary is, sh.t on the men and women that keep you
free to be the dildo you are, or something equally magnificent (maybe parrot
some more Michael Moore bullshit), and just shut the f.ck up or go on
another vacation (but dont forget to call me a drunk when youre sucking up
faggoty, overpriced umbrella drinks).

Youre bullshit is *really* boring.

Beyond boring.

Nova boring.

Like a friggin AMC Pacer boring.

Oh, and blow me in slomo, homo.

The new guy will be out long before you are.

If your balls ever drop, look me up (aint hard to find) and I'll drink your
candied, LA a.s under the table.

> Scott's bored with the newbie kid... He doesn't want to play anymore... The
> kid has an attitude, a lack of understanding, and to top it off, rather poor
> spelling and grammar... <grin>  I guess not all of 'em are on WebTV...

The new kid has to earn my disdain, I dont give it away to just anyone..

--
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale
and
undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or
hanged."
-- Abraham Lincoln
Grumman-581 - 21 Jul 2005 07:01 GMT
>  "Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale
> and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled,
or
> hanged."
> -- Abraham Lincoln

He was nearly right... Only need the 1st, 18th, 19th, and 23rd words...
Chris Guynn - 21 Jul 2005 14:41 GMT
> > > What happened to the anti-elitist?
>
> No one was talking to you, dickhead.
>
> And, I will point out, I am not the one calling everyone in America that
> doesnt suck cock in LA stupid, you are.

He hasn't called me stupid.  He's probably thought it, but he hasn't said
it.  :-)
Greg Mossman - 21 Jul 2005 16:20 GMT
>> And, I will point out, I am not the one calling everyone in America that
>> doesnt suck cock in LA stupid, you are.
>
> He hasn't called me stupid.  He's probably thought it, but he hasn't said
> it.  :-)

Exactly.  So Scott, therefore, just called you someone who sucks cock in LA.