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stonecreek - 06 Jun 2005 19:02 GMT
Does anyone on this NG have any idea as to what time of year the jellyfish
appear around the palm beach area.   I was there in August a couple of years
ago and the water was unswimable.   Is it like that every year or was that
just a fluke (no pun intended)
Dan Nafe - 06 Jun 2005 21:55 GMT
> Does anyone on this NG have any idea as to what time of year the jellyfish
> appear around the palm beach area.   I was there in August a couple of years
> ago and the water was unswimable.   Is it like that every year or was that
> just a fluke (no pun intended)

Anytime when the wind has been blowing out of the south east for several
days.
mike gray - 07 Jun 2005 01:38 GMT
>  
> Does anyone on this NG have any idea as to what time of year the jellyfish
> appear around the palm beach area.   I was there in August a couple of years
> ago and the water was unswimable.   Is it like that every year or was that
> just a fluke (no pun intended)

There are about 60 species of jellyfish locally, and different
species are more common at different times of year.

What kind are you looking for?
stonecreek - 07 Jun 2005 16:19 GMT
Mike:

Whatever kind that you don't want to get on you, unless that's all kinds.  I
think when I was there the locals called them "man o' wars", but that may be
a generic term for jellyfish.   All I know is that there were so many close
to shore that you couldn't swim or snorkel.

> > Does anyone on this NG have any idea as to what time of year the jellyfish
> > appear around the palm beach area.   I was there in August a couple of years
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>
> What kind are you looking for?
Greg Mossman - 07 Jun 2005 17:47 GMT
> Mike:
>
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> close
> to shore that you couldn't swim or snorkel.

Portuguese man-of-wars aren't jellyfish.  Make up your mind.
Lee Bell - 07 Jun 2005 19:10 GMT
> Portuguese man-of-wars aren't jellyfish.  Make up your mind.

There not?  What are they?

Lee
Greg Mossman - 07 Jun 2005 19:38 GMT
>> Portuguese man-of-wars aren't jellyfish.  Make up your mind.
>
> There not?  What are they?

Siphonophores.  Hydrozoans.  Siphonophores, including Physalia physalis, are
basically free-floating hydroid colonies.  The Man-of-War is made up of four
distinct types of hydroid polyps:  the pneumatophore (the float) and
dactylozoid, gonozooid, and gastrozooid polyps.  It's not one Man, it's a
friggin army working in concert.

True jellies (as well as box jellies) are Scyphozoans.  They are single
animals, not colonies.  An Army of One.
Lee Bell - 07 Jun 2005 21:05 GMT
>>> Portuguese man-of-wars aren't jellyfish.  Make up your mind.
>>
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> True jellies (as well as box jellies) are Scyphozoans.  They are single
> animals, not colonies.  An Army of One.

I knew Man O Wars were a collection of critters.  What I didn't know is that
there is a specific definition of jellyfish.  Until now, I just lumped
everything together under the single term.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 07 Jun 2005 21:50 GMT
> I knew Man O Wars were a collection of critters.  What I didn't know is
> that there is a specific definition of jellyfish.  Until now, I just
> lumped everything together under the single term.

Then I certainly can't call you a racist when it comes to jellyfish.

All are cnidarians, true.  But calling a Man-O-War a jellyfish is as wrong
as calling a gorgonian, or an anemone, or fire coral a jellyfish.
mike gray - 08 Jun 2005 14:42 GMT
>  
>
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> All are cnidarians, true.  But calling a Man-O-War a jellyfish is as wrong
> as calling a gorgonian, or an anemone, or fire coral a jellyfish.

Not really. "jellyfish" is just a common catch-all for many
species from several different classes. If ya stick to
scientific nomenclature, confusion is reduced (but not
eliminated). When ya argue that palms are not trees, or spiders
are not bugs, ya get into trouble. Even the Florida Horse Conch
is not a conch, and the poor bastard gets stuck into a different
genus every few years.

You are correct that Physalia physalis (which we call the
man-o-war jelly) is not a "true jelly" which is a goofy name for
solo medusae.

They are far more common in the summer and, because the float
(which we call a sail) moves them with wind as well as current,
they are most frequently seen when the wind is out of the east.

They provide great amusement, as tourists love to prod them with
their toes on the beach.

All cnidaria, btw, have nematocysts. Some, like most coral or
moon jellies, are ineffective versus humans. Others, like
stinging hydroids or man-o-wars, are very effective.

m
Lee Bell - 08 Jun 2005 18:48 GMT
> They provide great amusement, as tourists love to prod them with their
> toes on the beach.
>
> All cnidaria, btw, have nematocysts. Some, like most coral or moon
> jellies, are ineffective versus humans. Others, like stinging hydroids or
> man-o-wars, are very effective.

Particularly against prodding toes.

Lee
Lee Bell - 07 Jun 2005 19:06 GMT
> Whatever kind that you don't want to get on you, unless that's all kinds.
> I
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> close
> to shore that you couldn't swim or snorkel.

That would be the Portuguese Man O War and there's nothing generic about
them.  They are one of, if not the most dangerous jellyfish to be found in
this part of the world.  They can be fatal to those that react poorly to
their toxin and administer a painful sting to all but the most resistant.
Man O Wars are best avoided.

I'm not sure there is a season for Man O Wars, but if there is, it's
probably the summer.  When the winds are blowing toward the shore, they tend
to show up.

Lee

>> > Does anyone on this NG have any idea as to what time of year the
> jellyfish
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>>
>> What kind are you looking for?
Dan Nafe - 13 Jun 2005 03:01 GMT
[snip]
> I'm not sure there is a season for Man O Wars, but if there is, it's
[snip]

...and the plural form is "Men of War".
;->
 
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