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AZJ - 13 May 2005 16:16 GMT
Just bought a brand new Henderson Hyperflex suit, Men's Small- brand
new, never worn. Dive shop wouldn't allow me to return it- total jerks
and scam artists. I checked ebay, but wet suits aren't going for squat
there. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to advertise this?
Thanks
chilly - 13 May 2005 16:41 GMT
> Just bought a brand new Henderson Hyperflex suit, Men's Small- brand
> new, never worn. Dive shop wouldn't allow me to return it- total jerks
> and scam artists.

Why do you want to return it?  What's wrong with it?

> I checked ebay, but wet suits aren't going for squat
> there. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to advertise this?
> Thanks
Dillon Pyron - 13 May 2005 20:25 GMT
>> Just bought a brand new Henderson Hyperflex suit, Men's Small- brand
>> new, never worn. Dive shop wouldn't allow me to return it- total jerks
>> and scam artists.
>
>Why do you want to return it?  What's wrong with it?

It has a strong urine smell.

>> I checked ebay, but wet suits aren't going for squat
>> there. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to advertise this?
>> Thanks

Things on eBay are always too expensive to buy and too cheap to sell.
This is the way it's always worked out for me.

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Charlie Hammond - 13 May 2005 21:11 GMT
>>> Just bought a brand new Henderson Hyperflex suit, Men's Small- brand
>>> new, never worn. Dive shop wouldn't allow me to return it- total jerks
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>It has a strong urine smell.

If this opinion can be confirmed by someone independet, then I would
say that you cannot expect to get much if you re-sell it.
Not unless you miss-treat your buyer the same way you appear to have
been miss-treated.

If the dive shop will not take it back, consider an action in
small claims court.  If you can substatiate your claim, you can
recover your full purchase price -- a much better deal than the
small amount you could honestly sell it for.

If you don't think this is worth the time and effort, then just junk
the suit and count it up as experience.

On the other hand, if the suit fits and you like it in general, there
are products to get rid of urine odor.  One is called "Stop the Stink"
or something like that.  Many/most dive shops sell this type or product.
(For the obvious reason!)

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AZJ - 13 May 2005 21:24 GMT
lol- no urine smell, it's never been worn! My g/f bought it for
herself- they told her it fit her well, before I got a chance to look
at it. I didn't know they were selling her a men's suit to begin with.
She found the same suit, in women's, in the colors she wanted for much
less than what we paid.

This dive shop ARE con artists. They charged my debit card for other
items, and while we were in the same store, we changed our plans to
dive. So we tried returning the 'rental' equipment, but they then
decided to tell us that since they ran it through the debit machine,
they couldn't refund the items, and it was too late. By the time I
reported it to the credit card co for fraud, it was too late and
already ran through. Nothing I could do. Long story tho...

Anyways- the suit IS brand new, perfect condition, never worn, never
been wet. Been in a bag with the tags on it since the trip. I'll keep
checking around to see if I can find somewhere else to sell it...
Thanks
Kriterian - 13 May 2005 21:33 GMT
> This dive shop ARE con artists. They charged my debit card for other
> items, and while we were in the same store, we changed our plans to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> reported it to the credit card co for fraud, it was too late and
> already ran through. Nothing I could do. Long story tho...

What's the name of this shop and it's location? I don't want to wander in to
it by accident.

> Anyways- the suit IS brand new, perfect condition, never worn, never
> been wet. Been in a bag with the tags on it since the trip. I'll keep
> checking around to see if I can find somewhere else to sell it...
> Thanks

Go to www.scubaboard.com and sign up for a free account. There is a section
for selling various items, in addition to being a huge forum for divers.
Just make sure to fill out your profile completely, as that goes a long way
to making buyers slightly more comfortable to someone's first post that is
also a sale.
Cpt. Dale Bennett - 13 May 2005 21:46 GMT


So we tried returning the 'rental' equipment, but they then
> decided to tell us that since they ran it through the debit machine,
> they couldn't refund the items, and it was too late. By the time I
> reported it to the credit card co for fraud, it was too late and
> already ran through. Nothing I could do.

I hope you do not intend to go back to that store.  They should not have
sold her a men's suit if it did not fit her.  (I have seen some women who
fit a men's suit better than a women's, but they are certainly in the
minority.)  If you never left the store with the equipment, you should
certainly not have to pay a rental fee.

The problem with debit cards is that they are charged to your checking
account right away.  It's the same as writing a check that clears your
account immediately.  A credit card transaction is a completely different
thing.  You have plenty of time to challenge a credit card charge.

Good diving,
Cpt. Dale
Lee Bell - 14 May 2005 03:56 GMT
> The problem with debit cards is that they are charged to your checking
> account right away.  It's the same as writing a check that clears your
> account immediately.  A credit card transaction is a completely different
> thing.  You have plenty of time to challenge a credit card charge.

Yes and no.  Credit and debit cards are subject to the Electronic Funds
Transfer Act.  Checks aren't.  Otherwise, you're pretty much correct.  You
get the money back for unauthorized checks too.

Lee
Lee Bell - 14 May 2005 03:53 GMT
> This dive shop ARE con artists. They charged my debit card for other
> items, and while we were in the same store, we changed our plans to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> reported it to the credit card co for fraud, it was too late and
> already ran through. Nothing I could do. Long story tho...

Bullshit.  Call your credit/debit card company and inform them that you are
disputing the charges.  Tell them that you did not make the purchases that
you didn't make and tell them that you did not rent equipment.  The word
fraud need not appear.  Don't believe it, do a search on the Electronic
Funds Transfer Act and read what it has to say.

The dive shop may or may not have conned your girlfriend regarding the suit.
Women wore men's suits for years before anybody thought to make one
specifically for a woman.  Sorry if your girlfriend found something she
likes better later.  Perhaps next time she'll do a better job of shopping
for what she wants than she did this time.

> Anyways- the suit IS brand new, perfect condition, never worn, never
> been wet. Been in a bag with the tags on it since the trip. I'll keep
> checking around to see if I can find somewhere else to sell it...

Used wetsuit don't usually sell for much.  Perspective buyers, who don't
know you from adam, have only your word that it has not been used.  If she
bought it on her credit or debit card, she may be able to make a case that
it's not as suitable for her use as she was told.  If you try, get an
attorney.  It will be an uphill battle.

Lee
Charlie Hammond - 13 May 2005 17:48 GMT
>Just bought a brand new Henderson Hyperflex suit, Men's Small- brand
>new, never worn. Dive shop wouldn't allow me to return it- total jerks
>and scam artists. I checked ebay, but wet suits aren't going for squat
>there. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to advertise this?

Well, not to pur too fine a point on it, but with absolutely NO information
on WHY you want to return it or WHY the dive shop what allow you to return
it, one might just wonder if YOU might be a total jerk and scam artist.
I wouldn't, of course, but some just might wonder.
(I say this with a big SMILE and no intention to offend, honest!)

Regardless of its condition, this is a "used" suit.  
You will take a loss if you sell it -- likely a large loss.

You might want to contact Henderson for help dealing with the dealer
(assuming it is an authorized dealer)  http://hendersonusa.com

You could offer it on REC.SCUBA.EQUIPMENT -- you might or might not
get a better price than eBay, but only if you explain the two WHYs
I listed above.

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Cpt. Dale Bennett - 13 May 2005 21:35 GMT


Dive shop wouldn't allow me to return it- total jerks
> and scam artists.

In most, if not all, states a retailer is not obligated to take returns.
Those who do, do it for the good customer relations.  It's not a scam if you
got what you paid for.  A good shop will have some sort of return policy.
Unfortunately, return privileges are many times abused by customers.  I had
a customer who bought a wetsuit from me at a 50% off close out and then, a
week after they came back from vacation, tried to return it.  I once had a
customer who accused me of being a rip-off artist because I would not trade
him a new BC for last year's model that he bought at another shop.  Another
one wanted to trade in a pair of fins that he got in a raffle.  They were a
style that had not been made in several years, sunbleached from being in the
donor's show window all that time.

Happy diving,
Ctp. Dale
Lee Bell - 14 May 2005 03:58 GMT
> In most, if not all, states a retailer is not obligated to take returns.
> Those who do, do it for the good customer relations.  It's not a scam if
> you got what you paid for.

Correct.

>  A good shop will have some sort of return policy.

Probably not for skins or wetsuits, both of which are often worn next to the
skin, some very personal, private, parts of the skin.  Most places, you
can't return underwear or bathing suits either, for the same reasons.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 14 May 2005 05:46 GMT
> Most places, you can't return underwear or bathing suits either, for the
> same reasons.

You tried to return the Speedos?
Lee Bell - 14 May 2005 11:49 GMT
>> Most places, you can't return underwear or bathing suits either, for the
>> same reasons.
>
> You tried to return the Speedos?

No.  It's not necessary to try to return something to know the store's
policy on returns.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 14 May 2005 17:05 GMT
> No.  It's not necessary to try to return something to know the store's
> policy on returns.

Maybe they'd make an exception for you if we all signed an online petition.
Lee Bell - 14 May 2005 20:47 GMT
> Maybe they'd make an exception for you if we all signed an online
> petition.

First I have to want to return it.
Greg Mossman - 14 May 2005 20:56 GMT
>> Maybe they'd make an exception for you if we all signed an online
>> petition.
>
> First I have to want to return it.

Maybe you'd want to return it if we all signed an online petition.
Lee Bell - 15 May 2005 05:59 GMT
>>> Maybe they'd make an exception for you if we all signed an online
>>> petition.
>>
>> First I have to want to return it.
>
> Maybe you'd want to return it if we all signed an online petition.

Maybe I'd want to return it if you all signed an online petition and sent me
money.

Lee
Scott - 15 May 2005 03:19 GMT
> > Maybe they'd make an exception for you if we all signed an online
> > petition.
>
> First I have to want to return it.

Please.

In the name of decency and all that is Holy, at least trade it in for some
boxers or Bermuda shorts.
Dillon Pyron - 15 May 2005 05:45 GMT
>> > Maybe they'd make an exception for you if we all signed an online
>> > petition.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>In the name of decency and all that is Holy, at least trade it in for some
>boxers or Bermuda shorts.

too late, I think I went blind just visualizing it.

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Lee Bell - 15 May 2005 06:03 GMT
> too late, I think I went blind just visualizing it.

Since it may be the last thing you ever visualize, it's got red and white
stripes and white stars on a field of blue.

Lee
Lee Bell - 15 May 2005 06:01 GMT
> In the name of decency and all that is Holy, at least trade it in for some
> boxers or Bermuda shorts.

1. I do very little, if anything "in the name of decency."
2. God made me this way, wearing a Speedo may not be real attractive, but
it's holy.
3. If you'd managed to dive even once with me while you were in S. Florida,
you'd know that the speedo is worn under a dive skin.  I display it no
longer than necessary . . . well, at least where guys can see it.

Lee
Scott - 15 May 2005 14:49 GMT
> > In the name of decency and all that is Holy, at least trade it in for some
> > boxers or Bermuda shorts.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> it's holy.
> 3. If you'd managed to dive even once with me while you were in S. Florida,

Yeah, I only worked 80 hour weeks...

> you'd know that the speedo is worn under a dive skin.  I display it no
> longer than necessary . . . well, at least where guys can see it.

Speedo's are proof that men should not make fashion decisions.
Lee Bell - 15 May 2005 15:27 GMT
>> 3. If you'd managed to dive even once with me while you were in S.
> Florida,

> Yeah, I only worked 80 hour weeks...

You needed to reasses your priorities.

> Speedo's are proof that men should not make fashion decisions.

Yes, they are, but they tend to take the lumps, bulges and embarrassment out
of wearing a lycra skin.  They are the lesser of evils.

Lee
Dillon Pyron - 15 May 2005 19:45 GMT
>> > In the name of decency and all that is Holy, at least trade it in for
>some
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Speedo's are proof that men should not make fashion decisions.

Okay, if you want chills, Carol was in Marseilles and went down to the
beach.  Where she saw a guy who must have weighed 300 pounds wearing
what is known as a cock sock.  And, she noted with a smile, not a very
big one.

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Greg Mossman - 15 May 2005 22:08 GMT
> Okay, if you want chills, Carol was in Marseilles and went down to the
> beach.  Where she saw a guy who must have weighed 300 pounds wearing
> what is known as a cock sock.  And, she noted with a smile, not a very
> big one.

An Australian acquaintance who paraded around in his Speedos referred to
them as "dick stickers".

From http://www.anu.edu.au/andc/ozwords/October_2003/speedos.html :

"In 1928 the MacRae Knitting Mills in Sydney began manufacturing woollen
swimming costumes known as speedos . The company produced a knitted
navy-blue woollen one-piece swimming costume in the same style for men,
women, and children. The one-piece streamlined Speedo paved the way for
other fashions. Men continued to roll their swimming costumes down to their
waists even though topless swimming costumes were not legal on many beaches
until the 1930s (1938 for Melbourne). Speedo initiated and adapted to
changes in fashion and the name became synonymous with the swimming costume.
The men's brief one-piece trunk in the V shape became the hallmark of
Speedo, worn by Olympic swimmers and life savers Australia-wide. Swimming
trunks had existed since the previous century and were worn at the beach
with other garments, or were worn alone by the more daring swimmers.
However, with all the council and government regulations, they were not a
common sight on public beaches before the 1930s. In this decade many
councils removed the neck-to-knee regulations and the men's trunk-style
speedo would make its full impact on the beach in the following decades. All
the puritans' fears proved correct, with the Australian man's anatomy on
proud display, albeit behind the proverbial fig leaf of fabric.

"The earliest evidence at the ANDC of a term emphasising what is covered by
the costume (i.e. the genitals) is the word sluggos, from a 1972 edition of
the Australian surfing magazine Tracks . The word is probably formed from
'slug' meaning 'penis' (originally from Australian Navy slang), and from the
last syllable of speedos . Another possibility is that the word refers to
the appearance of having a slug in your speedos . We have evidence that this
word is still in use today, although the citations have moved away from the
surfing context, and there is growing evidence for sluggers . While I can
remember, and still use, the word dps ('dick pointers') from the late 1970s,
there is currently only evidence of it from the Internet in the last couple
of years and from previous responses to Ozwords --but there are certainly
quite a few people in Wollongong who still use it! Our first evidence of
dick-stickers is similarly late, coming from a 1993 edition of the Sydney
Morning Herald : 'At Whale Beach the boys strutting like roosters in bright
board-shorts and "dick-stickers" (Lycra underwear-style togs named for their
clinging qualities when wet).' We have evidence of dick togs from 1994, and
the Internet provides numerous examples of the acronym dts . One of the more
inventive terms from recent years is budgie smugglers . The ANDC has
evidence of this one from 2000, and it is probably based on the
international English grape smugglers . The Australian penchant for
abbreviating has already manifested itself in this neologism, with budgies
being heard in the recent television series Australian Idol . The Internet
has also provided evidence of budgie huggers . Other Australian words that
seem to have emerged in the 1990s and that we are only now beginning to
record at the ANDC include meat hangers, lolly bags, ballhuggers,
noodlebenders, and lolly catchers ."

Speedos are a blight on Boynton reefs second only to red algae.  Stop
Speedos today!
Scott - 15 May 2005 22:56 GMT
> Okay, if you want chills, Carol was in Marseilles and went down to the
> beach.  Where she saw a guy who must have weighed 300 pounds wearing
> what is known as a cock sock.  And, she noted with a smile, not a very
> big one.

http://www.bongonews.com/images/caption_contest_2005-03-12.JPG
dazed and confuzzed - 16 May 2005 02:03 GMT
>>Okay, if you want chills, Carol was in Marseilles and went down to the
>>beach.  Where she saw a guy who must have weighed 300 pounds wearing
>>what is known as a cock sock.  And, she noted with a smile, not a very
>>big one.
>
> http://www.bongonews.com/images/caption_contest_2005-03-12.JPG

Is that you?

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Dillon Pyron - 16 May 2005 22:48 GMT
>> Okay, if you want chills, Carol was in Marseilles and went down to the
>> beach.  Where she saw a guy who must have weighed 300 pounds wearing
>> what is known as a cock sock.  And, she noted with a smile, not a very
>> big one.
>
>http://www.bongonews.com/images/caption_contest_2005-03-12.JPG

Do you know what a half digested taco looks like sprayed on a monitor
looks like?  I do, now.

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Scott - 16 May 2005 23:00 GMT
> >http://www.bongonews.com/images/caption_contest_2005-03-12.JPG

> Do you know what a half digested taco looks like sprayed on a monitor
> looks like?  I do, now.

I think that was one of those, um, er, bayou "chicks" Grumman was talking
about...
Chris Guynn - 16 May 2005 16:30 GMT
> Okay, if you want chills, Carol was in Marseilles and went down to the
> beach.  Where she saw a guy who must have weighed 300 pounds wearing
> what is known as a cock sock.  And, she noted with a smile, not a very
> big one.

Hey now... oh, wait, I've never been to Marseilles... never mind.  :)
Charlie Hammond - 16 May 2005 14:02 GMT
..
>2. God made me this way...

So much for "intelligen design".  <grin>

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