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Aqua-Lung Conshelf Supreme

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rnf2 - 13 Nov 2003 10:46 GMT
What do you guys know about the A-L Conshelf Regs? I know the Supreme means
it's a clod water model of the conshelf, but whats the conshelf itself like?
The US navy uses them so they can't be that bad.... but then thinking about
other military ballsups like the new army LAV-III brigades I start to
wonder...

rhys
Lee Bell - 13 Nov 2003 13:41 GMT
> What do you guys know about the A-L Conshelf Regs? I know the Supreme means
> it's a clod water model of the conshelf, but whats the conshelf itself like?
> The US navy uses them so they can't be that bad.... but then thinking about
> other military ballsups like the new army LAV-III brigades I start to
> wonder...

The Conshelf series of regulators has been around for a very long time.
They are reliable and reasonably priced.  I've got at least two, maybe three
of them.  All work fine in all conditions.  On the other hand, Scuba Pro,
Apex, Atomic and a lot of other high end, high performance regulators have
kicked USD's butt in pretty much every test for the last 10 years or so.

Lee
nospam@all.please.net - 13 Nov 2003 17:58 GMT
> > What do you guys know about the A-L Conshelf Regs? I know the Supreme
> means
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>
> Lee

Who did the testing?
Lee Bell - 13 Nov 2003 20:53 GMT
> > > What do you guys know about the A-L Conshelf Regs? I know the Supreme
> > means
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>
> Who did the testing

Since we're talking a period of some 10 years, the best answer to your
question is, just about everybody that does testing.  Critical tests, in my
opinion, are those that were done on machines, under controlled conditions,
the kind of tests that do not guarantee what the user will like, but do tend
to be objective.

I have several conshelf regulators, a Micra and my scuba pro.  I also owned
an Oceanic.  The Scuba Pro regulator is the best of the bunch, but none
except the Oceanic are poor.  I gave that one away.

Lee
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 13 Nov 2003 22:52 GMT
"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Since we're talking a period of some 10 years, the best answer to your
:question is, just about everybody that does testing.  Critical tests, in my
:opinion, are those that were done on machines, under controlled conditions,
:the kind of tests that do not guarantee what the user will like, but do tend
:to be objective.

So it must have been Rodale's then.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
nospam@all.please.net - 13 Nov 2003 23:46 GMT
> "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
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>
> So it must have been Rodale's then.

;o)
Lee Bell - 14 Nov 2003 12:04 GMT
> "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
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>
> So it must have been Rodale's then.

They are certainly on the list of those that did testing, but they are not
alone.

Lee
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 14 Nov 2003 01:51 GMT
"rnf2" <rnf2@NOSPAMwaikato.ac.nz> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:What do you guys know about the A-L Conshelf Regs? I know the Supreme means
:it's a clod water model of the conshelf, but whats the conshelf itself like?

I owned a conshelf supreme.  Only lasted 13 years before I replaced
it.  Worked ok though.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
rnf2 - 14 Nov 2003 02:49 GMT
> "rnf2" <rnf2@NOSPAMwaikato.ac.nz> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :What do you guys know about the A-L Conshelf Regs? I know the Supreme means
> :it's a cold water model of the conshelf, but whats the conshelf itself
like?

> I owned a conshelf supreme.  Only lasted 13 years before I replaced
> it.  Worked ok though.
>
> Dan Bracuk

13 years? sounds like it'd do me then.

rhys
Limey Dave - 14 Nov 2003 15:33 GMT
> "rnf2" <rnf2@NOSPAMwaikato.ac.nz> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
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> I owned a conshelf supreme.  Only lasted 13 years before I replaced
> it.  Worked ok though.

What did you replace it with? and do you like it better?

Dave.
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 15 Nov 2003 00:40 GMT
"Limey Dave" <davidflies@worldnonet.crapatt.net> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:What did you replace it with? and do you like it better?

I replaced the USD Conshelf Supreme, 1987 model with a Scubapro
Mk20/G500 2001 model.

The only two differences I notice are:
- the Scubapro packs better.
- changing the mouthpiece on the Scubapro should be easier, but seems
harder.  I have never figured out how to work that mechanism.  I am
reluctant to use too much BFI because I don't want to break it.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Limey Dave - 17 Nov 2003 19:10 GMT
> "Limey Dave" <davidflies@worldnonet.crapatt.net> pounded away at his
> keyboard resulting in:
> :What did you replace it with? and do you like it better?
>
> I replaced the USD Conshelf Supreme, 1987 model with a Scubapro
> Mk20/G500 2001 model.

Yup, the Scubapro stuff is coming highly recommended. I'll have to start
shopping them around. Thanks Dan.

Dave.
Brian Mitchell - 14 Nov 2003 19:58 GMT
I used mine for over 20 years (serviced regularly) without problem.  I think
that I bought it used.

I recently switched to a Titan.  I don't notice much of a difference.

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Salty - 16 Nov 2003 07:00 GMT
> What do you guys know about the A-L Conshelf Regs? I know the Supreme means
> it's a clod water model of the conshelf, but whats the conshelf itself like?
> The US navy uses them so they can't be that bad.... but then thinking about
> other military ballsups like the new army LAV-III brigades I start to
> wonder...

LOL  Wellll...lessee.  I'm looking at one of my first regs. It's a
Conshelf 20.  On this set-up, it's my primary. The primary is the
Conshelf and the octo is a Sherwood. God knows the model numbers.
But, the entire unit...the section that I hooked to a tank... was/is a
Conshelf. Number 4819340  I haven't used it for about 12 or 15 yrs but
I wouldn't hesitate to pick it up and dive with it again today.  I had
no problem with it in the first place but my hub breathed off it and
decided that he thought it breathed rough.  He then removed it from my
use and he bought me a new reg set-up from Mares to use.
rnf2 - 16 Nov 2003 07:09 GMT
> LOL  Wellll...lessee.  I'm looking at one of my first regs. It's a
> Conshelf 20.  On this set-up, it's my primary. The primary is the
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> decided that he thought it breathed rough.  He then removed it from my
> use and he bought me a new reg set-up from Mares to use.

Sounds like a lot of good reviews of the Conshelfs. The one I was going to
get got sold while I was working out if it was a good brand to get, it went
quick, yet more good reviews... lol

I know Sherwood and Mares Regs, but not much about the other brands.
Sherwood is the brand that IIRC about 40% of divers and most independant
shops use here in NZ, it's what the shop I learnt with used, very nice regs.
Now I'm looking around for a reliable and cheap (in that order) reg to use
as a first owned reg, I'm tired of hiring stuff.

Havn't used for 12 or 15 years? Hmm... feel like selling it?

rhys
Salty - 17 Nov 2003 17:29 GMT
> > LOL  Wellll...lessee.  I'm looking at one of my first regs. It's a
> > Conshelf 20.  On this set-up, it's my primary. The primary is the
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>
> Havn't used for 12 or 15 years? Hmm... feel like selling it?

Ohhh heck rnf2... I have no idea what price to ask for it. And
actually, I think I would like to hang onto it. I am sorry now that I
got rid so many of my other dive things from that era.  I practically
gave them away at dive flea markets.  I thought that no one would want
my stuff that was 20 some yrs old but it seems that the vintage market
is a bit valuable now.  Changes.

~"Well now my mind is going thru those changes."~
+++ Can you name the singer of this tune ??  LOL  Hint : I bought an
album with this song on it when I was 17 yrs old.  I'll be 47.  The
singer is a black artist. He is well known in jazz/blues circles from
that era.
George - 17 Nov 2003 17:52 GMT
Drummer Buddy Miles, "Dem Changes", third song on the Jimi Hendrix Band
of Gypsies album. I just bought the CD of that a couple weeks ago. Good
stuff. Actually, it's my favorite Hendrix album.

How are ya Barb? E-mail me, will ya?

Just back from Grand Cayman. Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes,
and so on.

g

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>
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>that era.
>  
Salty - 18 Nov 2003 08:15 GMT
> Drummer Buddy Miles, "Dem Changes", third song on the Jimi Hendrix Band
> of Gypsies album. I just bought the CD of that a couple weeks ago. Good
> stuff. Actually, it's my favorite Hendrix album.

I'm floored. I couldn't think of the guys name and I wrote "Miles
Davis" down on the paper here. You're just a huge vault of
information, George.

> How are ya Barb? E-mail me, will ya?

I'm ok hon...yes, I'll email you.

> Just back from Grand Cayman. Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes,
> and so on.

And you didn't ask me if I wanted to go ??!!
Limey Dave - 18 Nov 2003 16:44 GMT
 Changes.

> ~"Well now my mind is going thru those changes."~
> +++ Can you name the singer of this tune ??  LOL  Hint : I bought an
> album with this song on it when I was 17 yrs old.  I'll be 47.  The
> singer is a black artist. He is well known in jazz/blues circles from
> that era.

Many different versions have been done with that title, I can think of 3 off
the top of my head.

Dave.
Calamari - 20 Nov 2003 02:01 GMT
>   Changes.
> >
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> > singer is a black artist. He is well known in jazz/blues circles from
> > that era.

> Many different versions have been done with that title, I can think of 3 off
> the top of my head.

Ohhh ??  And the top of your head supports all this info... ??!!
<grin>

Ok... yes, I can think of 3 here too :  The version that Miles did
with Hendrix is the one that I meant initially.  George guessed that
version by the lyric line that I gave.  The second one is the Buffet
song that George alludes to in his post.  The third song is actually
one that I thought of after you posted this and it probably has to do
with your name... David Bowie's version.  Btw, speaking of Bowie, did
you happen to catch his concert on TV the other night ??  He looks
damn good for his age and all that he's done. Hardly any wrinkles...
hmmm.
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 16 Nov 2003 12:54 GMT
babette7401@hotmail.com (Salty) pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:But, the entire unit...the section that I hooked to a tank... was/is a
:Conshelf. Number 4819340  I haven't used it for about 12 or 15 yrs but
:I wouldn't hesitate to pick it up and dive with it again today.  

When was the last time it was serviced?

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Salty - 17 Nov 2003 17:13 GMT
> babette7401@hotmail.com (Salty) pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
> :But, the entire unit...the section that I hooked to a tank... was/is a
> :Conshelf. Number 4819340  I haven't used it for about 12 or 15 yrs but
> :I wouldn't hesitate to pick it up and dive with it again today.  

> When was the last time it was serviced?

Why would I service a reg I don't use.  The last time it was serviced
was 12 or 15 yrs ago when I laid it down.  And yes... go ahead and
tell me that I'm an idiot for saying I'd pick it and use it.  But ya
know what... I would.
 
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