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Tomasz Szczudlo - 15 Feb 2005 18:21 GMT
I'm going to Bermuda on a Royal Caribbean ship. I cannot find any pricing
info ($$ for 2-tank dives + gear rental.) I know that local dive operators
would be better and less crowded, but the ship docks at the Dockyards, so I
would need to take a ferry to Hamilton... Any thoughts?

Tomek
mike gray - 15 Feb 2005 18:48 GMT
> I'm going to Bermuda on a Royal Caribbean ship. I cannot find any pricing
> info ($$ for 2-tank dives + gear rental.) I know that local dive operators
> would be better and less crowded, but the ship docks at the Dockyards, so I
> would need to take a ferry to Hamilton... Any thoughts?
>
> Tomek

Never been on a cruise ship, but I came within a hair of buying
an operation that survived on cruise ship biz.

Cruise ships have deals with local operators, and you pay on the
ship. Most of the operators that serve the cruise lines are OK,
but real cattle-boat oriented.

Unaffiliated local operators are usually pretty close to the
cruise ship charges, and some will pick you up at the ship
(after all, they don't have to kick anything back to the cruise
line). One problem with an unaffiliated operation is timing:
make sure you will be back to the ship before it leaves!

m
Joe English - 16 Feb 2005 01:07 GMT
> I'm going to Bermuda on a Royal Caribbean ship. I cannot find any pricing
> info ($$ for 2-tank dives + gear rental.) I know that local dive operators
> would be better and less crowded, but the ship docks at the Dockyards, so I
> would need to take a ferry to Hamilton... Any thoughts?
>
> Tomek

I am not familiar with Bermuda, but my thoughts are if you aren't with
the area sometimes it is better to book thru RC.  I have done it both
ways.  If you book thru RC and go with them - you are assured of getting
back on cruise ship.  If you book your own you may not get back.  Please
verify the difference between local time and ship time.

Booking thru the cruise line may leave you on a cattle boat, and a dive
shop that rushes you thru 2 dives.  Booking on your own gives you a
little more leeway.  The price difference is negligible from my little
experience.
Dillon Pyron - 18 Feb 2005 16:08 GMT
>> I'm going to Bermuda on a Royal Caribbean ship. I cannot find any pricing
>> info ($$ for 2-tank dives + gear rental.) I know that local dive operators
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>little more leeway.  The price difference is negligible from my little
>experience.

The ships docks at King's Wharf at 7 am and departs the next day at
5 pm.  If you miss the boat, you have seriously f.cked up.
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Gat'rBait - 16 Feb 2005 03:06 GMT
> I'm going to Bermuda on a Royal Caribbean ship. I cannot find any pricing
> info ($$ for 2-tank dives + gear rental.) I know that local dive operators
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Tomek

The only cruise I have been on was a 10 day Alaskan Inside Passage with
Carnival.   I booked ALL my dives and excursions online with private
charters.  In Ketchikan I did a one on one dive with the dive master through
a little hole in the wall shop.  Gear was brand new, I took my own mask. In
Juneau I waited until I got off the ship and went to a local broker who put
6 of us on a boat that would easily handle 12 - 15.  All the dives were
similar,  No cattle boats.

Gat'r
DF - 16 Feb 2005 05:47 GMT
> In Ketchikan I did a one on one dive with the dive master through
> a little hole in the wall shop.  Gear was brand new, I took my own mask.

I am fairly new in diving, and went to rec.scuba.locations to try to
learn a few things from the folks posting there.  But after reading
a long thread there for a few days, in which I thought all but about
three of the posters in the last 150 posts were insane, and asked
them if it was like that all the time.

Some of the same folks I had thought were insane came back to make a
few remarks which I couldn't understand at all, and then they stopped
talking altogether.

I am glad to find scuba discussion here, even if it's about cruise
ship diving which I have never done.

Did you have to dive with a wet suit in Ketchikan?  What was the
visibility like?  Are you allowed to carry guns while you dive there,
in case you are threatened by some polar bear?

> In
> Juneau I waited until I got off the ship and went to a local broker who put
> 6 of us on a boat that would easily handle 12 - 15.  All the dives were
> similar,  No cattle boats.
>
> Gat'r

That's nice, Gat'r.  Please tell us more.  I really don't like warm
water diving in places like Florida where nearly all of the dive boats
are cattle boats.  Will I need a wet suit to dive in Juneau in the
summer?

DF
Lee Bell - 16 Feb 2005 06:01 GMT
> Some of the same folks I had thought were insane came back to make a
> few remarks which I couldn't understand at all, and then they stopped
> talking altogether.

Nobody stopped talking.  We just stopped talking to you.
Grumman-581 - 16 Feb 2005 06:03 GMT
<snip>

Up kind of late, aren't you Lee?
Lee Bell - 16 Feb 2005 06:10 GMT
> <snip>
>
> Up kind of late, aren't you Lee?

It happens to us older guys now and then.  Stomach acting up, couldn't
sleep, thought I'd stop in and see what was going on.
Grumman-581 - 16 Feb 2005 06:10 GMT
> It happens to us older guys now and then.  Stomach acting up, couldn't
> sleep, thought I'd stop in and see what was going on.

I've found that antacid chasers with the beers seem to help... <grin>

I was working on an HTML document and had OE up in another window... Seems
kind of quiet here tonight... Of course, there still could be noise coming
from all the anonymous cowards that get blocked by my killfile list, but
they don't count anyway...
Lee Bell - 16 Feb 2005 06:43 GMT
> I was working on an HTML document and had OE up in another window... Seems
> kind of quiet here tonight... Of course, there still could be noise coming
> from all the anonymous cowards that get blocked by my killfile list, but
> they don't count anyway...

Nope, just quiet and about to get quieter.  I'm ready to give sleep another
try.

The weekend dives worked out quite well.  The seas were calm, the current
was mild and the water wasn't so cold that I needed more than the 3mm suit I
had.  At various times, Rick, Curtis and Popeye spent an evening with the
Bells.  By now, Rick and Curtis are home for sure.  Popeye's close if he's
not there already.

The one thing you can say about the Spiegel Grove is "it's big."  Those that
say it's as interesting laying on its side as it would be upright are, at
best, mistaken.  At worst, they're trying to lessen the impact of the
mistake that landed the ship on its side.  You just don't get the feel of
diving on a ship.  Regardless, we all had a good time diving and
socializing.  Too bad you didn't make it down.

So much for rec.scuba tonight.  I'm off to bed . . . again.

Lee
Grumman-581 - 16 Feb 2005 06:47 GMT
> Nope, just quiet and about to get quieter.  I'm ready to give sleep another
> try.

I'm about finished with this document... I'm up to around 22 pages printed
out, I think...

> The one thing you can say about the Spiegel Grove is "it's big."  Those that
> say it's as interesting laying on its side as it would be upright are, at
> best, mistaken.

The layout of a ship can be confusing enough when it is upright dry...
Putting it on it's side and making it wet is not going to make it any easier
to get around... Sounds kind of like getting around ship after coming back
aboard completely sh.t-faced after hitting port... Even when tied up to the
dock, those ladders sure do seem to go at odd angles...

> Regardless, we all had a good time diving and
> socializing.  Too bad you didn't make it down.

I just got back from Washington... I'm tired of travelling for awhile...
While up there, I ended up driving over 1000 miles...

I put in a claim to the TSA and Delta for my 11 rounds of Federal Hydroshock
.45 ACP that got confiscated because of Seattle's leftist misinterpretation
of the rules... Very unlikely I'll ever see those 11 rounds again...
Rick Simms - 16 Feb 2005 14:39 GMT
>> I was working on an HTML document and had OE up in another window... Seems
>> kind of quiet here tonight... Of course, there still could be noise coming
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Bells.  By now, Rick and Curtis are home for sure.  Popeye's close if he's
>not there already

The Bell household is 5 Star southern hospitality. Mucho Gracias
amigo.

>The one thing you can say about the Spiegel Grove is "it's big."  Those that
>say it's as interesting laying on its side as it would be upright are, at
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Lee

I wouldn't mind making a dive or two more, hopefully in better
visibility than we had on Saturday and finish seeing all of her. The
fact that she's on her side doesn't really bother me all that much.
But it would be a "better"dive if she was upright IMHO. I guess ya
just have to swim sideways to put her in proper perspective.

Yer right about the diving and the company though. It was excellent as
always.


Rick Simms
Lee Bell - 16 Feb 2005 19:40 GMT
> The Bell household is 5 Star southern hospitality. Mucho Gracias
> amigo.

de nada

> I wouldn't mind making a dive or two more, hopefully in better
> visibility than we had on Saturday and finish seeing all of her. The
> fact that she's on her side doesn't really bother me all that much.
> But it would be a "better"dive if she was upright IMHO. I guess ya
> just have to swim sideways to put her in proper perspective.

What i missed was the first impression.  I'm not a big wreck fan, but one of
the things I like best about wreck diving is the macro view you get as you
descend on them.  With the Spiegel Grove, the view is of the relatively
featureless side.  I can't help but think how impressive it would be to drop
down on the middle of an upright ship that huge on a day with really good
visibility.  I might actually get my camera back out for that one.

I considered swimming away from the wreck just to get something close to a
view from the top, but with my luck, that's when the current would pick back
up.  I don't think Rick and Janet would tank me for getting drifting back to
Miami on my own.

Lee
Rick Simms - 17 Feb 2005 17:58 GMT
>What i missed was the first impression.  I'm not a big wreck fan, but one of
>the things I like best about wreck diving is the macro view you get as you
>descend on them.  With the Spiegel Grove, the view is of the relatively
>featureless side.  I can't help but think how impressive it would be to drop
>down on the middle of an upright ship that huge on a day with really good
>visibility.  I might actually get my camera back out for that one.

You're right. I was just thinking how extraordinary the Oriskany will
be if the sinking goes as planned and you're able to get that
panoramic view as you drop down on her.

>I considered swimming away from the wreck just to get something close to a
>view from the top, but with my luck, that's when the current would pick back
>up.  I don't think Rick and Janet would tank me for getting drifting back to
>Miami on my own.
>
>Lee

That might have been an option on the second dive. Drop, turn upside
down and drift the length of the wreck.

Rick Simms
Curtis - 17 Feb 2005 22:08 GMT
> The Bell household is 5 Star southern hospitality. Mucho Gracias
> amigo.

   I second that.  Only wish I figured out who Magilla was.

> I wouldn't mind making a dive or two more, hopefully in better
> visibility than we had on Saturday and finish seeing all of her. The
> fact that she's on her side doesn't really bother me all that much.
> But it would be a "better"dive if she was upright IMHO. I guess ya
> just have to swim sideways to put her in proper perspective.

   I vote a return trip with primary light and a reel, as well as duct tape
for Mr. Padi.

> Yer right about the diving and the company though. It was excellent as
> always.

   That's 'cause y'all ARE the excellent company.

Curtis
Grumman-581 - 18 Feb 2005 00:59 GMT
>     I second that.  Only wish I figured out who Magilla was.

A gorilla from an old TV cartoon...
http://www.toonopedia.com/magilla.htm
DF - 16 Feb 2005 18:44 GMT
> > <snip>
> >
> > Up kind of late, aren't you Lee?
>
> It happens to us older guys now and then.  Stomach acting up, couldn't
> sleep, thought I'd stop in and see what was going on.

Mr. Bell,

As a fellow scuba diver, I am becoming increasingly concerned over
your newsgroup and posting behaviour which carries an unmistakable
symptoms of an Obsessive Compulsive Spectrum Disorder.

The most telling symptom is that when you stomach was acting up,
any normal person would have gone for some rolaid tablets or other
anti-acid agents for relief, but you had to "stop in and see what
was going on" in rec.scuba!

Actually your "Stomach acting up, couldn't sleep" is also the latent
symptoms of your OCSD.  It appears that you are completely obsessed
with posting in newsgroups that you couldn't eat, couldn't sleep,
and posting something, anything, however nonsensical, becomes your
first priority in live.

As your concerned friend, I am pleased to recommend to you the art
of Kundalini Yoga, which should help, if not cure, your stomach,
head, and other parts of your anatomy which are all active parts
of your Obsessive, Compulsive Behaviour.

http://www.theinternetyogi.com/

I sincerely hope you feel better the next time you post, preferably
a few days from now.

Your devoted friend,
DF
Lee Bell - 16 Feb 2005 19:52 GMT
> As a fellow scuba diver, I am becoming increasingly concerned over
> your newsgroup and posting behaviour which carries an unmistakable
> symptoms of an Obsessive Compulsive Spectrum Disorder.

Don't lose sleep over it.  One of us awake at a time is sufficient.

> The most telling symptom is that when you stomach was acting up,
> any normal person would have gone for some rolaid tablets or other
> anti-acid agents for relief, but you had to "stop in and see what
> was going on" in rec.scuba!

Just goes to show how partial information can lead to mistaken conclusions.
I took an acid reducer before retiring and, when bothered anyway, took
Rolaids as well.  The combination wasn't sufficient.  Being upright was
better and visiting rec.scuba gave me something to do while I was.

> Actually your "Stomach acting up, couldn't sleep" is also the latent
> symptoms of your OCSD.  It appears that you are completely obsessed
> with posting in newsgroups that you couldn't eat, couldn't sleep,
> and posting something, anything, however nonsensical, becomes your
> first priority in live.

Not me.  I eat fine.  As for obsessed, maybe a bit, but not seriously.  I've
never once posted from an internet cafe while on vacation or even from a
cruise ship.  Rec.scuba is an interesting diversion and, over the years,
I've made quite a few friends here.  Stick around, behave yourself, and you
could too.

Speaking of friends, a group of them visited for some diving this weekend.
Contrary to the opinion of some, Florida diving really is some of the best
available in the US.  You should try it.

> As your concerned friend, I am pleased to recommend to you the art
> of Kundalini Yoga, which should help, if not cure, your stomach,
> head, and other parts of your anatomy which are all active parts
> of your Obsessive, Compulsive Behaviour.
> http://www.theinternetyogi.com/

Cool.  Loan me your tape.  If it works, I'll buy my own.

> I sincerely hope you feel better the next time you post, preferably
> a few days from now.

Thanks.  I'm feeling pretty good at the moment.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 16 Feb 2005 19:56 GMT
> Actually your "Stomach acting up, couldn't sleep" is also the latent
> symptoms of your OCSD.  It appears that you are completely obsessed
> with posting in newsgroups that you couldn't eat, couldn't sleep,
> and posting something, anything, however nonsensical, becomes your
> first priority in live.

If you think Lee's obsessed with posting, you should see that guy Reef Fish.
He even posts when he's on a cruise.  Now that's weird.
Rick Simms - 17 Feb 2005 18:23 GMT
>> Actually your "Stomach acting up, couldn't sleep" is also the latent
>> symptoms of your OCSD.  It appears that you are completely obsessed
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>If you think Lee's obsessed with posting, you should see that guy Reef Fish.
>He even posts when he's on a cruise.  Now that's weird.

Reef Fish is just plain weird period.

Rick Simms
Steve - 17 Feb 2005 20:15 GMT
> Reef Fish is just plain weird period.

That's what killfiles are for. I haven't seen  a post from Fish first hand for ages.
If it wasn't for people quoting him or talking about him I'd never encounter anything
he writes.

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Dillon Pyron - 18 Feb 2005 16:11 GMT
>> Actually your "Stomach acting up, couldn't sleep" is also the latent
>> symptoms of your OCSD.  It appears that you are completely obsessed
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>If you think Lee's obsessed with posting, you should see that guy Reef Fish.
>He even posts when he's on a cruise.  Now that's weird.

Then there's Jammer.  He only comes out for spam these days, but man,
is he obsessed about it.

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chilly - 16 Feb 2005 08:57 GMT
> > Some of the same folks I had thought were insane came back to make a
> > few remarks which I couldn't understand at all, and then they stopped
> > talking altogether.
>
> Nobody stopped talking.  We just stopped talking to you.

:^)

I'm sure we'd speak to ole DF again, if he weren't such an obvious troll.
Lee Bell - 16 Feb 2005 12:20 GMT
> I'm sure we'd speak to ole DF again, if he weren't such an obvious troll.

I was so sure you were going to end that sentence with "DF" instead of
"obvious troll."
Dillon Pyron - 18 Feb 2005 16:11 GMT
>> > Some of the same folks I had thought were insane came back to make a
>> > few remarks which I couldn't understand at all, and then they stopped
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>I'm sure we'd speak to ole DF again, if he weren't such an obvious troll.

you mean obsessed troll, don't you?

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Steve - 16 Feb 2005 17:57 GMT
> Did you have to dive with a wet suit in Ketchikan?

If you're not naturally well insulated you'll find the water a bit chilly even in
late August.

>  What was the visibility like?

The viz is generally pretty good, but summer will have more limited viz. Farther
north the water sometimes has an oily, black layer that makes the viz suck, but
around Ketchikan you shouldn't have that problem.

>  Are you allowed to carry guns while you dive there,
> in case you are threatened by some polar bear?

Polar bears almost never threaten people. They either mean business or they leave you
alone. Fortunately, you won't see any polar bears near Ketchikan. Unfortunately, you
may see grizzly bears, but they don't stand out against the water nearly as well as a
polar bear, so you may not se them either and the attack will come as a very rude
surprise. If you are lucky enough to see them coming, my recommendation would be a
Riffe 1050.

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DF - 16 Feb 2005 19:06 GMT
> > Did you have to dive with a wet suit in Ketchikan?
>
> If you're not naturally well insulated you'll find the water a bit chilly even in
> late August.

I guess I'll need a wetsuit then.  I am skinny as a rail in order to
maintain
my shape as a marathon runner.

> >  What was the visibility like?
>
> The viz is generally pretty good, but summer will have more limited viz. Farther
> north the water sometimes has an oily, black layer that makes the viz suck, but
> around Ketchikan you shouldn't have that problem.

But that oil helps insulation doesn't it?  I know the marathon swimmers
rub
oil all over their bodies before getting into the water.

> >  Are you allowed to carry guns while you dive there,
> > in case you are threatened by some polar bear?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> surprise. If you are lucky enough to see them coming, my recommendation would be a
> Riffe 1050.

Thank you, Steve, for such insightful comments and advice.  I
understand this
newsgroup has many gun experts.  Do you think they may have other
opinions
about which is the best gun to carry to dive in Ketchikan?  Would I
have to buy
the gun in Ketchikan and sell it before I leave?  The airlines and
cruise ships
are very strict on having guns on them.

I hope you don't mind my newbie questions.  I am really eager to learn
_safe_
diving, even if I have to carry guns to do it!

DF
Steve - 17 Feb 2005 06:03 GMT
> But that oil helps insulation doesn't it?  I know the marathon swimmers
> rub
> oil all over their bodies before getting into the water.

The swimmers use it as a lubricant to reduce drag, and because the diffraction helps
make them look buff. On the positive side, black oil should absorb sunlight, thus
warming up a bit. On the downside, it will mat down your hair thus reducing the
insulation you get from your hair. I guess it all averages out.

> Thank you, Steve, for such insightful comments and advice.  I
> understand this
> newsgroup has many gun experts.  Do you think they may have other
> opinions
> about which is the best gun to carry to dive in Ketchikan?

Probably, but I expect they'll agree the 1050 is a good choice even if they think
something else is a tad better. I suggest the 1050 because it's got the biggest
caliber and longest range in the Riffe line. It's about .380 caliber that takes
bullets with a lot more mass than some pansy a.s varmint rifle, and has a good range.
When you're 40 feet down with a grizzly closing fast, you'll appreciate the stopping
power of those big, fat bullets.

  Would I
> have to buy
> the gun in Ketchikan and sell it before I leave?  The airlines and
> cruise ships
> are very strict on having guns on them.

Just put it in a ski bag with a prominent logo for Salomon, K2 or Rossignol and carry
it right on to the plane. You're going to Alaska, so they expect skis. On your return
trip you'l probably have to answer a bunch of silly questions about your dive gear,
though. Since the screeners up there almost never see any, it's going to look
suspicious on the x-ray machine.

> I hope you don't mind my newbie questions.  I am really eager to learn
> _safe_
> diving, even if I have to carry guns to do it!

Don't worry. Statistically this is a very safe place to come learn about diving. In
the last 5 years we've only lost one NG member to a diving "mishap". Of course, that
one was a "doctor" who was overly impressed with himself and thought he knew it all.
Your questions indicate an interest in learning from others, so I'm sure you'll do
just fine.

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Greg Mossman - 17 Feb 2005 16:06 GMT
> The swimmers use it as a lubricant to reduce drag, and because the
> diffraction helps make them look buff. On the positive side, black oil
> should absorb sunlight, thus warming up a bit. On the downside, it will
> mat down your hair thus reducing the insulation you get from your hair. I
> guess it all averages out.

Is that why swimmers shave, to keep from reducing their insulation?

> Probably, but I expect they'll agree the 1050 is a good choice even if
> they think something else is a tad better. I suggest the 1050 because it's
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> grizzly closing fast, you'll appreciate the stopping power of those big,
> fat bullets.

Riffe makes bangsticks now?  Awesome.  I'll be able to bag me all sorts of
big lobsters.

> Just put it in a ski bag with a prominent logo for Salomon, K2 or
> Rossignol and carry it right on to the plane. You're going to Alaska, so
> they expect skis. On your return trip you'l probably have to answer a
> bunch of silly questions about your dive gear, though. Since the screeners
> up there almost never see any, it's going to look suspicious on the x-ray
> machine.

What do you do with the bear?  I assume any DF who shoots a bear would want
a trophy.  Does a dead bear have to go through the agricultural inspection?

> Don't worry. Statistically this is a very safe place to come learn about
> diving. In the last 5 years we've only lost one NG member to a diving
> "mishap". Of course, that one was a "doctor" who was overly impressed with
> himself and thought he knew it all. Your questions indicate an interest in
> learning from others, so I'm sure you'll do just fine.

Don't forget poor Jim Frei, bent in some mad-science experiment.
Steve - 17 Feb 2005 20:26 GMT
> Is that why swimmers shave, to keep from reducing their insulation?

That and because they're just plain weird.

> Riffe makes bangsticks now?  Awesome.  I'll be able to bag me all sorts of
> big lobsters.

Well, it's more of  a SNAP! than  bang. I wouldn't suggest anything explosive for
even the biggest lobster, though, unless you like lobster pate.

> What do you do with the bear?  I assume any DF who shoots a bear would want
> a trophy.  Does a dead bear have to go through the agricultural inspection?

There's no doubt that DF will want to mount the bear, but he can always do that
before bringing it home to the lowest 48. Food and live animals are subject to
PPQ?APHIS inspections, but I don't know about hunting trophies. The inspections most
of us have to deal with are when coming back from a foreign country, such as Jamaica
or Hawaii, but I know California is a bit fussy. If DF is from CA, maybe he'll have
an inspection  to deal with. He is a bit out there, so he could be from CA, or
perhaps the southeast, if he's far enough southeast to be from Key West.

> Don't forget poor Jim Frei, bent in some mad-science experiment.

Yeah, but we didn't lose him and he didn't get hurt while diving. We probably didn't
teach him to volunteer for experiments, either. So far it's only the good doctor
that's a known loss. BTW, if he was the good doctor, does that means there's also a
bad doctor? And if so, do we need an average doctor to balance it all out?

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Grumman-581 - 17 Feb 2005 20:39 GMT
> Well, it's more of  a SNAP! than  bang. I wouldn't suggest anything explosive for
> even the biggest lobster, though, unless you like lobster pate.

For lobsters, one should use an appropriate size bangstick... I suspect a
.22LR cartridge would be the most appropriate... As long as you aim for the
brain, you shouldn't have to worry about creating lobster pate... The tail
and (possible) claws are the only things worth eating anyway -- just like
mudbugs...
Crownfield - 17 Feb 2005 21:27 GMT
> > Well, it's more of  a SNAP! than  bang. I wouldn't suggest anything
> explosive for
> > even the biggest lobster, though, unless you like lobster pate.
>
> For lobsters, one should use an appropriate size bangstick...

i suspect that F&G, if they catch it,
will take your gear, your boat, and your car.

> I suspect a
> .22LR cartridge would be the most appropriate... As long as you aim for the
> brain, you shouldn't have to worry about creating lobster pate... The tail
> and (possible) claws are the only things worth eating anyway -- just like
> mudbugs...
Grumman-581 - 17 Feb 2005 21:32 GMT
> i suspect that F&G, if they catch it,
> will take your gear, your boat, and your car.

Awh, hell, you're gonna bring *legalities* into the issue?

Just curious though... Are you allowed to spearfish for lobsters or do you
have to catch them by hand?

As long as the lobster is obviously big enough, I don't see a problem with
it... Especially with the mythical 50 lb one that we were talking about
earlier... Especially since you're going to be tying him to a lift bag and
sending him up directly to your mates in the boat with a pot of boiling
water waiting for him...
Greg Mossman - 17 Feb 2005 22:37 GMT
> Just curious though... Are you allowed to spearfish for lobsters or do you
> have to catch them by hand?

California is hand only, no tickle sticks, snares, spears, or bangsticks
allowed.  I've tried hypnosis but the bastards got to me first with their
spinning feelers and made me think I was a little mermaid.

> As long as the lobster is obviously big enough, I don't see a problem with
> it... Especially with the mythical 50 lb one that we were talking about
> earlier... Especially since you're going to be tying him to a lift bag and
> sending him up directly to your mates in the boat with a pot of boiling
> water waiting for him...

The law only says how many you can take and how you can take them.  I'm not
sure that there's a law against simply shooting them for pleasure.
Grumman-581 - 18 Feb 2005 01:05 GMT
> The law only says how many you can take and how
> you can take them.  I'm not sure that there's a law
> against simply shooting them for pleasure.

It was an "assisted suicide"...

"And that's my story and I'm sticking to it..."
Crownfield - 18 Feb 2005 04:23 GMT
> > Just curious though... Are you allowed to spearfish for lobsters or do you
> > have to catch them by hand?
>
> California is hand only, no tickle sticks, snares, spears, or bangsticks
> allowed.  I've tried hypnosis but the bastards got to me first with their
> spinning feelers and made me think I was a little mermaid.

oh my god!
it was a challenge of the minds,
and the lobster won!

> > As long as the lobster is obviously big enough, I don't see a problem with
> > it... Especially with the mythical 50 lb one that we were talking about
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> The law only says how many you can take and how you can take them.  I'm not
> sure that there's a law against simply shooting them for pleasure.
H. Huntzinger - 18 Feb 2005 12:36 GMT
> > Just curious though... Are you allowed to spearfish for lobsters or do you
> > have to catch them by hand?
>
> California is hand only, no tickle sticks, snares, spears, or bangsticks
> allowed.  I've tried hypnosis but the bastards got to me first with their
> spinning feelers and made me think I was a little mermaid.

NJ is mostly hand only.  Tickle sticks are tolerated, but IIRC, can't
have any sort of J-hook to them.

Here's a good page with both advice and a link to the regulations:

http://www.njscuba.net/gear/misc_catch_lobster.html

-hh
Crownfield - 18 Feb 2005 04:22 GMT
> > i suspect that F&G, if they catch it,
> > will take your gear, your boat, and your car.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> sending him up directly to your mates in the boat with a pot of boiling
> water waiting for him...

I think that in the northeast,
using a spear or bangstick would be very illegal.

as well as not very sporting...
Grumman-581 - 18 Feb 2005 04:32 GMT
> I think that in the northeast,
> using a spear or bangstick would be very illegal.
>
> as well as not very sporting...

f.ck "sporting"... We're talking about killing a bug to eat... We're not
going to be mounting him on a wall... But WTF do I know, the bugs over here
are probably only 16-20 per pound, not a couple of pounds per bug...
DF - 18 Feb 2005 07:18 GMT
> > What do you do with the bear?  I assume any DF who shoots a bear would want
> > a trophy.  Does a dead bear have to go through the agricultural inspection?
>
> There's no doubt that DF will want to mount the bear,

I am sorry, but you are both seriously wrong about this.

Steve, I entered this thread because you posted your scuba experience
in
Ketchikan and I want to learn about diving there.

I considered using a gun only as self-defence for _safe_ diving reasons
in the event an uninvited bear shows up that may prove to be a hostile
one.

Why would I want a trophy for the dead bear?  It gets what it deserves,

for harrassing a harmless scuba diver, and will be left for the
vultures
and bald eagles to feast on its carcass.

As for mounting the bear, I must admit that's a thought that hadn't
occurred to me at all until you mentioned it.  I've heard of some
religious folks mounting sheep and ponies, but it must be quite a
challenge to mount a bear, at least while it's not completely dead.
Mounting it when it's dead would be a rather revolting thought, except
perhaps to one

Rev Dr Pastor Dick F Foot BA, DD, FFD
The Guardian of English Christianity
Broomleigh Baptist Church AG (Zurich)
111 Lime Walk, Chelmsford CM2 9NJ, Great Britain
http://www.church.broomleigh.org/

with whom I have been discussing religious issues in
alt.gossip.celebrities.
He is weird even compared to the rec.scuba folks I've seen.  Instead of
being preoccupied by guns and bang-sticks, this "pastor" is preaching
anti-semitism, racism against blacks, child-beating, and masturbation
only after 65 (so most of you would have to wait a little while before
that).

I am serious!  He is no troll, as some of you might be tempted to
accuse
him of being one.  The webpages of his church and his own links in it
are
all real.  It makes rec.scuba's gun discussion and lobster banging and
all
that stuff look like a bunch of children that Rev Dick Foot would beat
up,
literally.

> > Don't forget poor Jim Frei, bent in some mad-science experiment.
>
> Yeah, but we didn't lose him and he didn't get hurt while diving. >
--
> Steve

What did he do?  Did he volunteer for experiments on mounting live
bears?
Mounting dead bears?

DF
Steve - 18 Feb 2005 08:28 GMT
>>There's no doubt that DF will want to mount the bear,

> Why would I want a trophy for the dead bear?

Trophy?  I didn't say anything about a trophy.

> As for mounting the bear, I must admit that's a thought that hadn't
> occurred to me at all until you mentioned it.

See? You knew exactly what I figured you'd do. Except for the lying part, anyway.

  I've heard of some
> religious folks mounting sheep and ponies, but it must be quite a
> challenge to mount a bear, at least while it's not completely dead.
> Mounting it when it's dead would be a rather revolting thought, except
> perhaps to one

As long as it's still warm it's at least as good as some women you've probably known,
so don't knock it 'til you've tried it. When I get back from the weekend ask me about
the related joke, BTW.

>  child-beating, and masturbation
> only after 65 (so most of you would have to wait a little while before
> that).

He's clearly confused about the whole spare the rod, thing eh?

> t makes rec.scuba's gun discussion and lobster banging and
> all
> that stuff look like a bunch of children that Rev Dick Foot would beat
> up,
> literally.

You must not get out much. The people here may be wierd, but that puts them right in
the middle of the bell curve. This reverend guy sounds like he's a few standard
*deviations* off, if you know what I mean.

> What did he do?  Did he volunteer for experiments on mounting live
> bears?
> Mounting dead bears?

Careful, you're obsessing over this bear mounting thing. Have you asked the reverend
about that?

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DF - 18 Feb 2005 18:18 GMT
> >>There's no doubt that DF will want to mount the bear,
>
> > Why would I want a trophy for the dead bear?
>
> Trophy?  I didn't say anything about a trophy.

Then either Mossback or some Gumby678 person said it.

> > As for mounting the bear, I must admit that's a thought that hadn't
> > occurred to me at all until you mentioned it.
>
> See? You knew exactly what I figured you'd do. Except for the lying part, anyway.

I lied about the trophy part?  Don't think so.

>    I've heard of some
> > religious folks mounting sheep and ponies, but it must be quite a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> so don't knock it 'til you've tried it. When I get back from the weekend ask me about
> the related joke, BTW.

What joke?  It's no joke.  Mounting live bears makes the rodeo cowboys
in
Bush Country look like children's petting zoo.

> >  child-beating, and masturbation
> > only after 65 (so most of you would have to wait a little while before
> > that).
>
> He's clearly confused about the whole spare the rod, thing eh?

He spared nothing.  He puts the rod where he said belonged -- the
rotten
kids, just like many of those who post in rec.scuba.

> > t makes rec.scuba's gun discussion and lobster banging and
> > all
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> the middle of the bell curve. This reverend guy sounds like he's a few standard
> *deviations* off, if you know what I mean.

I got out three weeks ago, which is more than most of you here -- some
like
Mossback probably hadn't gotten off his PC desk since Christmas.

What do you mean by the bell curve?  The one drawn by Lee Bell?
Whatever it
is, it's crooked alright.  You are right about the reverend guy being a
regular sort of guy, compared to many of you fellas (excluding you of
course) here in rec.scuba.

> > What did he do?  Did he volunteer for experiments on mounting live
> > bears?
> > Mounting dead bears?
>
> Careful, you're obsessing over this bear mounting thing. Have you asked the reverend
> about that?

Not at all.  *You* people here brought out the mounting of bears and
about
Jim Frei having volunteered.  If I should ask anyone, it would be all
of you
gun-toting, bear mounting folks right here in rec.scuba!

DF
H. Huntzinger - 20 Feb 2005 14:40 GMT
> > See? You knew exactly what I figured you'd do. Except
> > for the lying part, anyway.
> >
> I lied about the trophy part?  Don't think so.

First, let's nip this in the bud.

DF, regardless of if this did or didn't happen here, as a newbie to the
group, you can get a free pass the first time, under the understanding
that you won't let it happen again in the future:  what you need to be
aware of is that there's little patience here for tolerating habitual
liars and the pissing contests that can ensue.

If you don't like that, well there's plenty of other scuba discussion
groups from which you can be happier at to go chat and learn in.  The
one that's probably just right for you is:  http://www.scubaboard.com  

>> > What did he do?  Did he volunteer for experiment...

Jim volunteered for an experimental scuba diving study (one that didn't
include any bears).  He got hurt ("got bent" - aka DCS) and IIRC, the
experimental research was suspended.  It was found that Jim had a
medical condition known as PFO (Patent Forman Ovale), which has
generally been considered to be not too big of a deal for the general
public, but "not a good thing" for divers for several years now,
although I don't believe that the actual change in risk was well
quantified back in 2000 when this happened.

This is an extreme oversimplification of what's been studied, but in
short, PFO's are generally believed to be present in roughly 20% of the
adult population, but when you look at divers who have gotten bent, a
PFO is present around twice as often as it should have been if it was
purely random.  The general conclusion is that having a PFO somehow
contributes to the risk of getting DCS.  

IIRC, the current medical theory being that the lungs act as "bubble
filters" that protect the body some from DCS, but the PFO allows some of
the circulating blood to cross the heart and thus bypass the lungs and
thus not all get filtered.  There's a lot that can be read on the
subject of PFO's and Scuba diving, if that's your thing.  

But overall, a self-proclaimed scuba newbie such as yourself should be
okay for awhile, partly because you're probably not pushing limits and
because the new dive computers are more conservative than older ones.  
Unless, of course, you're using some old "hand me down" equipment or
stuff from EBay.  If your gear isn't all new, it would be a good idea
for you to list it here so that you can get some advice from the
regulars on what's good, and what's not...and even what's been recalled
for safety defects!

-hh
Alan Street - 20 Feb 2005 19:19 GMT
In article
<{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba2005-9627A9.09404720022005@news.giganews.c
om>, H. Huntzinger <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba2005@huntzinger.com>
wrote:

> > > See? You knew exactly what I figured you'd do. Except
> > > for the lying part, anyway.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> DF, regardless of if this did or didn't happen here, as a newbie to the
> group,

Speaking of "nipping things in the bud," I'm pretty sure "DF" is no
newbie. More like an obsessed regular who would gladly tell us more
than we'd ever want to know about standard deviations and other
stastically significant matters.
chilly - 20 Feb 2005 23:10 GMT
> In article
> <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba2005-9627A9.09404720022005@news.giganews.c
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> than we'd ever want to know about standard deviations and other
> stastically significant matters.

I'm sorry you outted him.  We weren't done playing with him yet.  It was fun
watching _Chilly_ think himself so clever . . .not.
Alan Street - 20 Feb 2005 23:51 GMT
> > In article
> > <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba2005-9627A9.09404720022005@news.giganews.c
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> I'm sorry you outted him.  We weren't done playing with him yet.  It was fun
> watching _Chilly_ think himself so clever . . .not.

I'm sorry. Next time I'll e-mail first.
chilly - 21 Feb 2005 00:00 GMT
> In article <2O8Sd.445019$Xk.211903@pd7tw3no>, chilly
>
> I'm sorry. Next time I'll e-mail first.

No real worries, everyone knew anyway.  (wg)
Pastor Dick Foot - 29 Dec 2005 04:32 GMT
> He is weird even compared to the rec.scuba folks I've seen.  
> Instead of being preoccupied by guns and bang-sticks, this
> "pastor" is preaching anti-semitism, racism against blacks,
> child-beating, and masturbation only after 65 (so most of you
> would have to wait a little while before that).

What about the wife beating and polygyny?

> He is no troll, as some of you might be
> tempted to accuse him of being one.

Thanks for the kind and accurate things you say.

You forgot our introduction to the sacred science of Christology, also called
the Child's Guide to Jesus,

http://www.chelmsfordbaptist.com/children/jesus/default.htm

which does tell you all you need to know about the Church, albeit some
Christians may not quite agree with absolutely everything we say.

Thanks again.  I appreciate your honesty.  I don't like the cheap insults
like hatred and lying.   How anyone can take something like that seriously,
beats me.

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Chelmsford Baptist Church

http://www.chelmsfordbaptist.com/

drunkinbda - 09 Mar 2005 07:05 GMT
im from bermuda!! might be able to help you out. Im not sure exactly of
the rates that are around becuase i go with dive companies usually on
certification dives so i dont pay the "two tank dive" prices, but if
you want you can check out some websites. The two best companies that
ive found are Blue water divers and Triangle Divers(although i think
they are having probs and are ont eh other side of the island).
Anyway..blue water divers is a short 10-15 min bus ride from dockyard.
their website is http://www.divebermuda.com 
so when you gonna be in bermuda?? ill be there all summer since school
will be out!!!

hope the website helps!!

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scubaran - 18 Feb 2005 01:50 GMT
> I'm going to Bermuda on a Royal Caribbean ship. I cannot find any pricing
> info ($$ for 2-tank dives + gear rental.) I know that local dive operators
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>
> Tomek

Hi,

I dove in Bermuda a year or two ago and the best dive center is Blue Water
Divers
(www.divebermuda.com).  They have a dive center (or centre in Bermuda) at
Somerset Bridge which is on the western side of the island near the
Dockyards.
I image if the ship offers diving it will be through them as well but no
guarantees.
Anyway, they are a good center and I really enjoyed the diving (I did it in
the winter
when the waters are colder but much clearer and hardly a person on the
beach).

Randy
 
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