After 75 painful dives I am asking if you know if there is a cure for
equalizing problems? I have tried sudafed, practice, exercise & Doc's Ear
Plugs with little helping effect.
Today while ice diving, I could not get my left ear to equalize, ruining
three hours of preparation for myself, my buddy, rope handlers, safety diver
and other support staff.
I truly love this sport to the point of fanatical obsession and never want
to give it up, but my equalizing problems make life miserable.
Have there been any medical breakthrough's? Medicine? Surgery? I have read
a few articles on the DAN website, on estuation tube surgery that may help
but cannot find any additional data on it.
What about Pro Ear 200 goggles? anyone have any luck? Pro Ear's website
store wants $169. Scuba Toys and LiesurePro have them for $49.95. Can they
be any good for $50? What about general mask quality versus normal masks?
Thanks for putting up with my cross posted ramblings, but I am at wits end.
All comments and suggestions are eagerly accepted.
John Lange
Rudy Benner - 14 Feb 2005 02:11 GMT
> After 75 painful dives I am asking if you know if there is a cure for
> equalizing problems? I have tried sudafed, practice, exercise & Doc's Ear
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> John Lange
Watch the video http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.asp?rid=789
nitespark - 14 Feb 2005 02:38 GMT
> After 75 painful dives I am asking if you know if there is a cure for
> equalizing problems? I have tried sudafed, practice, exercise & Doc's Ear
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> John Lange
I use Contact Cold and Sinus. Doesn't make me drowsy or hyper. I will
take one about an hour before diving. Sudafed does very little if any
good for me.
Mike Painter - 14 Feb 2005 02:55 GMT
> After 75 painful dives I am asking if you know if there is a cure for
> equalizing problems? I have tried sudafed, practice, exercise &
> Doc's Ear Plugs with little helping effect.
Ear plugs can't help your ears equalize. If they don't have little holes in
them to let water in, they will cause problems.
> Today while ice diving, I could not get my left ear to equalize,
> ruining three hours of preparation for myself, my buddy, rope
> handlers, safety diver and other support staff.
What happens when you travel or just drive up a hill where the altitude
changes say 1000 feet?
If you have problems then it is likley there is a medical condition.
If so the Pro Ears are about your only option.
An ear full of cold water when a drum ruptures can set the world spinning.
If you have no problems equalizing going up and down hills the problem
usually resolves to not doing it early enough or often enough, descending or
ascending to fast, or to just being tense.
Steve - 14 Feb 2005 04:38 GMT
> What happens when you travel or just drive up a hill where the altitude
> changes say 1000 feet?
The pressure change with a 1000 foot elevation gain is about the same as the pressure
change from ascending 14 inches in saltwater. If you go straight up at 60 miles an
hour it will still take 11 seconds to ascend 1000 feet. If that sort of pressure
change routinely causes a problem then diving is almost certainly not a good hobby.
> If you have no problems equalizing going up and down hills the problem
> usually resolves to not doing it early enough or often enough, descending or
> ascending to fast, or to just being tense.
If you can fly or drive up a truly big hill without problems then you can equalize,
but perhaps not very quickly. Mastering slow ascents of 5 fpm might be a good skill,
but it's not very practical if you want to do dives beyond 30 feet or so. Some people
simply don't have the ability to equalize as quickly as most of us. More people
aren't good at it because they aren't doing it properly, and too litle too late is
certainly one of the common problems. The OP's problem only with the left ear
suggests his technique may be adequate, but OTOH successfully clearing the right ear
suggests there's hope. Start even before descending, and if a bit more practice
doesn't lead to improvement spend the money for a consultation with an ENT.

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Gat'rBait - 15 Feb 2005 03:35 GMT
> If you have no problems equalizing going up and down hills the problem
> usually resolves to not doing it early enough or often enough
Probably not often enough, on trips I usually get better with repetitive
dives.
JOhn ><>
Cpt. Dale Bennett - 14 Feb 2005 04:12 GMT
Have you tried going to your doctor?
Safe Diving,
Captain Dale
> After 75 painful dives I am asking if you know if there is a cure for
> equalizing problems? I have tried sudafed, practice, exercise & Doc's Ear
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> John Lange
Gat'rBait - 15 Feb 2005 03:34 GMT
> Have you tried going to your doctor?
I have, he doesn't understand fully. He's a diver! (cruise diver)
JOhn ><>
nospam@all.please.net - 14 Feb 2005 04:14 GMT
> Today while ice diving,
There's your trouble...
Gat'rBait - 15 Feb 2005 03:33 GMT
>> Today while ice diving,
>
> There's your trouble...
I live in Wisconsin, you either ice dive or move. I don't mind the cold,
but prefer 80 degree water. Same problems occur even in warm water. I
typically take 5 to 10 minutes to get past 30 feet on the first dive of any
trip. After that I can usually keep up with the rest of the crew.
JOhn ><>
Adam Helberg - 14 Feb 2005 04:22 GMT
> After 75 painful dives I am asking if you know if there is a cure for equalizing
> problems? I have tried sudafed, practice, exercise & Doc's Ear Plugs with little
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> John Lange
What dose of Sudafed did you take and how far ahead of your dive did you take it?
Adam
Gat'rBait - 15 Feb 2005 03:31 GMT
> What dose of Sudafed did you take and how far ahead of your dive did you
> take it?
>
> Adam
I usually take the normal dose of 12hour Sudafed without antihistamine. Jus
plain old Sudafed. - Pseudoephedrine HCL 120 mg
JOhn ><>
Adam Helberg - 15 Feb 2005 05:49 GMT
>> What dose of Sudafed did you take and how far ahead of your dive did you take it?
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> JOhn ><>
That is not the best form for diving. Regular pseudoephedrine 60 mg about 1 hour
prior to diving will probably work better.
Adam
Dillon Pyron - 15 Feb 2005 16:56 GMT
>>> What dose of Sudafed did you take and how far ahead of your dive did you take it?
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>Adam
Carol's ENT recommended 12 hour Sudafed 1 hour before the dive and
Afrin 15-20 minutes before each dive. She also wore Pro Plugs, which
at least kept cold water from going in when she blew a drum.
She goes back in two weeks for a check up. I've heard of a stent that
is now in the investigational phase. She'll ask about it, then.

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Adam Helberg - 15 Feb 2005 19:01 GMT
>>>> What dose of Sudafed did you take and how far ahead of your dive did you take
>>>> it?
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> She goes back in two weeks for a check up. I've heard of a stent that
> is now in the investigational phase. She'll ask about it, then.
The first few minutes in a dive is when most people have problems with equalizing so
it does not make sense to take a decongestant that attempts to last for 12 hours. The
regular Sudafed lasts about 4-6 hours. Also the extended release medications are not
consistent in rate of release--it may be 4-6 hours for the extended release to reach
maximum plasma levels, which may be way after your finish the dive.
Adam
Gat'rBait - 16 Feb 2005 02:55 GMT
> She goes back in two weeks for a check up. I've heard of a stent that
> is now in the investigational phase. She'll ask about it, then.
If you get more info let me know
JOhn ><>
Dave C - 14 Feb 2005 16:33 GMT
> After 75 painful dives I am asking if you know if there is a cure for
> equalizing problems? I have tried sudafed, practice, exercise & Doc's Ear
> Plugs with little helping effect.
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>
> John Lange
I'm not a doctor or even play one on the newsgroups, but I routinely
use chlorpheniramine maleate, an over-the-counter allergy medication
for my equalizing problems. CVS carries it in a bottle simply labelled
Allergy Tablets. I find I have no side effects from the chlorphenirame.
No dry mouth, no drowiness, no heart racing, etc. (Drowsiness and
excitability are listed as side effects.)
Sudafed never worked for me, and just created dry mouth.
My difficulty equalizing is less severe than yours, since it sounds
like you have painful difficulty on every dive. I tend to have
difficulty more in allergy season and more on shallow dives with a
sawtooth depth pattern.
However, if I take the chlorpheniramine (double dose) an hour before
the first dive, then again about 4 hours later, I can often descend
even without a nose pinch. Subsequent dives, including a shallow third
dive perhaps, won't be any problem either.
YMMV.
HTH.
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unisuit56 - 19 Feb 2005 22:16 GMT
Try this,
I used to tell my students with the same problem.
You have a new hobby...........
when you are sitting around watching tv, reading or driving around.
Pinch you nose and blow. keep doing this allot. But not too hard.
I've seen students correct there issue by working the tube(s) and in 2 to 3
weeks clear up the problem well enough they don't need meds.
Hope this works.
You have my prayers buddy ;)