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Scuba Forum / General / January 2005Where to do dolphin dives?
I went down to Grand Bahamas a few years ago and did the dolphin dive with Unexso. The dive masters got two dolphins to do silly tricks with the divers underwater like kissing you when you remove your regulator. It was fun. Now that my partner is certified, she wants to do the dolphin dive too. Does anybody know if there are other places besides Grand Bahamas to do dolphin dives? Clint Free Spirit Gallery http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca Exquisite Eskimo Inuit Art & Northwest Indian Art "Clint" <pepmax@videotron.ca> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: : Does anybody know if there are other places besides Grand Bahamas to :do dolphin dives? Anthony's Key in Roatan. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > I went down to Grand Bahamas a few years ago and did the dolphin dive > with Unexso. The dive masters got two dolphins to do silly tricks with > the divers underwater like kissing you when you remove your regulator. It > was fun. Now that my partner is certified, she wants to do the dolphin > dive too. Does anybody know if there are other places besides Grand > Bahamas to do dolphin dives? Palau. > > I went down to Grand Bahamas a few years ago and did the dolphin dive > > with Unexso. The dive masters got two dolphins to do silly tricks with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Palau. Belize, Roatan, Cancun, Cozumel, ... and plenty of locations to pet and dive with the trained/captive dolphins. You can also go to the sand flats of North Bahamas and wait for possibly days to dive with the WILD dolphins that come and play with swimmers/divers until they are bored with them (in 5 minutes or less). But the BEST dolphin dives are everywhere in the oceans. You listen to their whistles and clicking talk and watch them in their natural habitat, without being molested by the clueless gawkers. -- Bob. > > > I went down to Grand Bahamas a few years ago and did the > dolphin dive [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > -- Bob. but after the experience is over the clueless gawkers aren't as clueless anymore. they have come into contact with (and presumably appreciated) the animals. there in lies the merit of the so-called "slavery" and "repugnant activity" -- each time someone does it, they learn that dolphins are amazing creatures. touching and seeing a sea creature up close is not the same as looking at pictures or a tv. they will then do more to preserve the species etc. they may go home and tell their friends how great dolphins are. they may spend money on conservation efforts. i used to think of seaworld etc in bad terms. but then i realized that one creature being subjected to life in a pool may educate enough otherwise ignorant people to make a difference for the species as a whole (assuming of course that the animals are properly cared for of course... unlike the free willy orca). -AF > but after the experience is over the clueless gawkers aren't as > clueless anymore. they have come into contact with (and presumably [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > species as a whole (assuming of course that the animals are properly > cared for of course... unlike the free willy orca). Sort of how hunters gain respect for the magnificent beasts they slaughter in order to obtain another trophy for their den. What a lovely concept. I bet you'd agree with making some black people slaves in order to gain sympathy for the "plight of the negro". >>>> I went down to Grand Bahamas a few years ago and did the >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > cared for of course... unlike the free willy orca). > -AF I think I understand the point your making, and I'd actually agree with it *if* the captive animals had been collected for rehablitation and eventual return to their natural home. But they don't do that. The majority of animals used in these 'kiss me' programs (including Sea World's) are collected for permanent residency and used for commercial profit. There is nothing natural about living in a glass box. When humans do this to humans it's a crime, when they do it to others it's a major stockholder event. IMO, there's something intrinsically wrong about the latter, and I wouldn't pay for parking at Sea World, let alone the entrance fee. OTOH, there are venues dedicated to the rehad and return of their animal charges, and supporting those is well recommended. These venues are easy to spot, their business focus is on the animals, not the attendees. If someone wants to be the primary focus of a business, hire an escort whore and stop expecting someone else to do it.  Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' > >>>> I went down to Grand Bahamas a few years ago and did the > >> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > World's) are collected for permanent residency and used for commercial > profit. There is nothing natural about living in a glass box. THAT's the crux of the issue as to why we shouldn't patronize the slavery trade in dolphin-kissing, and it more animated counterpart in Cozumel that the cruise-pods raved about. http://csiwhalesalive.org/csicapfl.html Wild dolphins and whales are known not to survive well in captivity. I know the webpage above OVER-simplifies the situation and the cited "statistics" are no more credible than many of the "smoking fatality" statistics we've seen. Here's an article that talks more specifrically about dolphins: http://www.dolphinawareness.org/facts/main.html Not a pretty picture, eh? To balance the above, here's an article that presents the counter-arguments about some of the "statistics" cited. As I had said in this thread earlier, it's far more enjoyable, especially since we ARE scuba-divers already, is to enjoy your dolphin encounter in THEIR natural habitat, on THEIR own terms, in the same manner you would enjoy diving with sharks in Cocos Island, Palau, and the French Polynesia, rather than petting a shark or three in a tank. -- Bob. > As I had said in this thread earlier, it's far more enjoyable, > especially since we ARE scuba-divers already, is to enjoy your > dolphin encounter in THEIR natural habitat, on THEIR own terms, > in the same manner you would enjoy diving with sharks in > Cocos Island, Palau, and the French Polynesia, rather than > petting a shark or three in a tank. Maybe it's far more enjoyable when it happens in a natural setting, but it's far more likely to be able to enjoy snorkeling or diving with dolphins in an artificial setting. I've only had the experience of seeing a dolphin underwater once (a pod of six in Cozumel) and they were gone again in the blink of an eye. It was exciting to be sure, but my dolphin snorkel in Palau was far more enjoyable since I was able to caress the beast and poke it in the eye. When there's a natural dolphin encounter to match the shark encounters found in Coco, Palau, or Tahiti, please let me know about it. Regarding Palau, the dolphin experience there told us that they had planned at some indefinite future date to organize dolphin experiences outside the enclosed areas, in open water. That would be a nice compromise. The setback was that the dolphins, unfamiliar with the area, were too nervous outside the enclosed areas and would flee back 'home'. > > As I had said in this thread earlier, it's far more enjoyable, > > especially since we ARE scuba-divers already, is to enjoy your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > far more likely to be able to enjoy snorkeling or diving with dolphins in an > artificial setting. I've only had the experience of seeing a dolphin > underwater once (a pod of six in Cozumel) and they were gone again in the > blink of an eye. It was exciting to be sure, but my dolphin snorkel in > Palau was far more enjoyable since I was able to caress the beast and poke > it in the eye. When there's a natural dolphin encounter to match the shark > encounters found in Coco, Palau, or Tahiti, please let me know about it. Greg, what you are saying is that it's far more enjoyable for YOU to caress and fondle a whore (the human specie; not the dolphin counterpart for this analogy) who works in a whore house than meeting any female in a "natural" human encounter which most of us prefer. I know, it takes much more patience to wait for the really enjoyable encounter that way, and not the "wham, bam, thank you mam you pay your bucks to 'enjoy'". :-) > Regarding Palau, the dolphin experience there told us that they had planned > at some indefinite future date to organize dolphin experiences outside the > enclosed areas, in open water. NEVER had that experience in Palau, and would not have wanted even if they paid me. ALL the shark experience in Palau I had were in the SHARKS' natural habitat, be it in Blue Corner, or Peliliu, or any of the liveaboard dive sites in which there are always SHARKS in their own habitat and environment. -- Bob. > Greg, what you are saying is that it's far more enjoyable for YOU > to caress and fondle a whore (the human specie; not the dolphin > counterpart for this analogy) who works in a whore house than meeting > any female in a "natural" human encounter which most of us prefer. Hardly. I can get females in natural settings (like bars) to possibly stick around a little with creative conversation and offers of free alcohol. Dolphins, however, are immune to such ploys and immediately leave the scene. If all my female encounters were like my dolphin encounters, I'd most definitely prefer hookers. > NEVER had that experience in Palau, and would not have wanted even if > they paid me. ALL the shark experience in Palau I had were in the > SHARKS' natural habitat, be it in Blue Corner, or Peliliu, or any > of the liveaboard dive sites in which there are always SHARKS in > their own habitat and environment. I wasn't paid for it but I also didn't pay for it. However, I didn't see any other dolphins in Palau when I was there. And while I did see plenty of SHARKS, none of the SHARKS let me caress them. > > Greg, what you are saying is that it's far more enjoyable for YOU > > to caress and fondle a whore (the human specie; not the dolphin [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hardly. I can get females in natural settings (like bars) to possibly stick > around a little with creative conversation and offers of free alcohol. Just like you brag about the IQ score of yours when you have absolutely and positively NO verifying IQ score or test of any kind you could show. Yeah, that's how you can fool those in a bar, perhaps, but not HERE. > > NEVER had that experience in Palau, and would not have wanted even if > > they paid me. ALL the shark experience in Palau I had were in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I wasn't paid for it but I also didn't pay for it. However, I didn't see > any other dolphins in Palau when I was there. But I was talking about SHARKS, and only sharks, in Palau. The kind that live and swim in the ocean, and not the two-legged ones with hangs around bars looking for cheap prostitutes for a lay, like you Greg. ;^) > And while I did see plenty of SHARKS, and you didn't "ENJOY them", like some Prez was talking about smoking weeds. :-) > none of the SHARKS let me caress them. I wouldn't either, if I were a shark!! -- Bob. > But I was talking about SHARKS, and only sharks, in Palau. But the thread is about dolphins and we were talking about dolphins, in Palau and otherwise. > and you didn't "ENJOY them", like some Prez was talking about smoking > weeds. :-) I don't enjoy sharks unless I can touch them. I petted a cute nurse shark in Burma a few weeks ago. That was enjoyable. > I wouldn't either, if I were a shark!! I don't want to caress you, Bob, shark or not. "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :Greg, what you are saying is that it's far more enjoyable for YOU :to caress and fondle a whore (the human specie; not the dolphin :counterpart for this analogy) who works in a whore house than meeting :any female in a "natural" human encounter which most of us prefer. Nothing wrong with paying a few bucks to guarantee a good result. Dan Bracuk If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure. > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> pounded away at his > keyboard resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dan Bracuk Did Patty know about your guarantee experience? :-) First of all, I don't think those cat houses Greg patronized (Mustang Ranch?) guarantee him anything other than any craps he catches is FREE. Secondly, Greg then bragged about: Greg> I can get females in natural settings (like bars) to possibly Greg> stick around a little with creative conversation and offers Greg> of free alcohol. I cited Greg cuz he always obfuscates about what he says and even when I caught him with a "smoking gun" by citing exactly what he was trying to deny, he still went for rounds denying it. So, here ... Greg considers a bar as his natural setting while other folks might a cozy bed or a cozy sofa near a fireplace with nuts <the edible kind) roasting in an open fire ... and Greg has to dig deep into his repertroire of fabrications or "tall tales" with which we are so familiar, to convince this stranger in the night, to "possibly stick around a little ... and FINALLY Greg would pull out his ... <drum roll in suspense!!> "offers of free alcohol" to trick his female stranger companion into being drugged into a stupor ... and Greg would now get "far more enjoyment" molesting this drunken slut than what poor ordinary folks like some of us would never experience. Did I get THAT right? <BG> -- Bob. > > As I had said in this thread earlier, it's far more enjoyable, > > especially since we ARE scuba-divers already, is to enjoy your [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it in the eye. When there's a natural dolphin encounter to match the shark > encounters found in Coco, Palau, or Tahiti, please let me know about it. Just had two such experiences in Roatan. One of them even came in so close, I thought he was going to poke me in the eye. I've got the picture to prove it. I'll scan it and send it to you. (snip) >>As I had said in this thread earlier, it's far more enjoyable, >>especially since we ARE scuba-divers already, is to enjoy your [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it in the eye. When there's a natural dolphin encounter to match the shark > encounters found in Coco, Palau, or Tahiti, please let me know about it. So, your statement here is it's morally acceptable when *you* get enjoyment from the encounter, even knowing your affectations were likely forced upon another sentient being in an artificial venue - including the poking of the animal's eye? Given that last part, I'll gladly help you into shark-infested waters just after the chumming starts. Remember Greg, they all belong to the same union - f.ck with one and they'll f.ck you back. > Regarding Palau, the dolphin experience there told us that they had planned > at some indefinite future date to organize dolphin experiences outside the > enclosed areas, in open water. That would be a nice compromise. The > setback was that the dolphins, unfamiliar with the area, were too nervous > outside the enclosed areas and would flee back 'home'. OTOH, had they been left alone in the first place, it's likely they would've chosen a more appropriate home if that choice hadn't been stolen from them earlier. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' > So, your statement here is it's morally acceptable when *you* get > enjoyment from the encounter, even knowing your affectations were likely [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Greg, they all belong to the same union - f.ck with one and they'll f.ck > you back. Morality is purely subjective. Therefore, yes, anything is morally acceptable to me when *I* get enjoyment from the encounter. I've been in shark-infested waters after the chumming starts and I'm still alive today, only missing three fingers. The sharks were obviously scared of me after they heard what I did to the dolphin, their most feared enemy. Word gets around ya know. > OTOH, had they been left alone in the first place, it's likely they > would've chosen a more appropriate home if that choice hadn't been > stolen from them earlier. They were all rescued. Had they been left alone in the first place, they would likely be dead. If you feel that's a more appropriate "home" for them then apparently that's your moral choice. Me, I'd rather save something and use it to make money. I hope to save a diver one day with judicious use of my octopus. That diver will then be mine to exhibit around the world. I'll keep him or her on a leash. Would that satisfy you? >>So, your statement here is it's morally acceptable when *you* get >>enjoyment from the encounter, even knowing your affectations were likely [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Morality is purely subjective. Therefore, yes, anything is morally > acceptable to me when *I* get enjoyment from the encounter. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but I am. > I've been in shark-infested waters after the chumming starts and I'm still > alive today, only missing three fingers. The sharks were obviously scared [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > would likely be dead. If you feel that's a more appropriate "home" for them > then apparently that's your moral choice. Allowing nature to provide the choices we all deserve doesn't necessarily guarantee success. > Me, I'd rather save something and use it to make money. I hope to save a > diver one day with judicious use of my octopus. That diver will then be > mine to exhibit around the world. I'll keep him or her on a leash. Would > that satisfy you? You're welcome to save anything you produce, saving what wasn't yours in the first place for your personal greed isn't what I consider appropriate behaviour and ought not be allowed by one's own conscience, assuming one possesses such. As far as the leash encounter thing is concerned, I don't have a problem with it so long as there's agreement from both ends of the leash. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' > > I've been in shark-infested waters after the chumming starts and I'm still > > alive today, only missing three fingers. Greg lost his three fingers from welshing a bet with other lawyers. :-) The only thing he lost in the chumming waters was what was left of his brains. > Allowing nature to provide the choices we all deserve doesn't > necessarily guarantee success. > > > Me, I'd rather save something and use it to make money. Greg is saving TONS of money by WELSHING and imagining that he won the bets he lost. <LOL> > You're welcome to save anything you produce, saving what wasn't yours in > the first place for your personal greed That's what Greg has plenty -- personal greed! > jer > email reply - I am not a 'ten' -- Bob. > The only thing he lost in the chumming waters was what was left of his > brains. Then obviously you'd have nothing to lose by taking my IQ test challenge. Correct? > That's what Greg has plenty -- personal greed! $19,000 and counting. Does that make me greedy? > > The only thing he lost in the chumming waters was what was left of his > > brains. > > Then obviously you'd have nothing to lose by taking my IQ test challenge. > Correct? Wrong! I have PLENTY to lose by you CHEATING. Just like you're doing now, trying CHEAT by weaseling out of your original bet because you can't produce any verifiable, valid IQ test score evidence! > > That's what Greg has plenty -- personal greed! > > $19,000 and counting. Does that make me greedy? Very much so! Proven in http://tinyurl.com/5cdjk Game is over, Greg. Henceworth, your welching acts will be answered by the same link (hot off the press this morning <G>): http://tinyurl.com/5cdjk " How Greg LOST his IQ bet : Greg's CONFESSION " -- Bob. > I went down to Grand Bahamas a few years ago and did the dolphin dive > with Unexso. The dive masters got two dolphins to do silly tricks with the > divers underwater like kissing you when you remove your regulator. It was > fun. Now that my partner is certified, she wants to do the dolphin dive > too. Does anybody know if there are other places besides Grand Bahamas to > do dolphin dives? There are a number of places that offer this stupid venue of slavery. Why anyone would spend perfectly good money to watch an animal act like Pavlov's puppy instead of how they supposed to act is beyond my comprehension. I've also heard a rumour that someone's actually planning to use a white tiger for entertainment in a Las Vegas nightclub. With any luck, somebody's gonna get bit. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' >> I went down to Grand Bahamas a few years ago and did the dolphin dive >> with Unexso. The dive masters got two dolphins to do silly tricks with the >> divers underwater like kissing you when you remove your regulator. It was >> fun. Now that my partner is certified, she wants to do the dolphin dive >> too. Does anybody know if there are other places besides Grand Bahamas to >> do dolphin dives? We had a blast diving with a wild pod off Belize. They stayed with us until the air gave out. Still my favorite dive. >There are a number of places that offer this stupid venue of slavery. >Why anyone would spend perfectly good money to watch an animal act like >Pavlov's puppy instead of how they supposed to act is beyond my >comprehension. I've also heard a rumour that someone's actually >planning to use a white tiger for entertainment in a Las Vegas >nightclub. With any luck, somebody's gonna get bit. Never happen. Only a crazy gay Kraut would do something like that. Signaturedillon "When the French are against it, you know we can't be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman Try Guam. I hear they have great dolphin dives. The best part is that you don't even need a passport! It is a tropical island owned by the united states. --------------------------------- pass your urine test www.urine-pimp.com > Try Guam. I hear they have great dolphin dives. The best part is that > you don't even need a passport! It is a tropical island owned by the > united states. Or go to Texas... In the intracoastal waterway near Freeport (south of Houston), I saw dolphins nearly everytime I launched my boat on the Brazos River... As far as the dives being able to be classified as "great", I would have to reserve judgement... I tend to prefer water that is clear enough that I can actually see my gauges... >>Try Guam. I hear they have great dolphin dives. The best part is that >>you don't even need a passport! It is a tropical island owned by the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > reserve judgement... I tend to prefer water that is clear enough that I can > actually see my gauges... So would the dolphins... Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' > So would the dolphins... Why would the dolphins want to be able to see my gauges? Seriously though, the intracoastal waterway is open to the Gulf very close to where I usually see them, so if they wanted clear water, they could easily find it... I have to guess that there is something around there that attracts the smaller fish that they eat... The fresh water dumped in the Gulf by the Brazos is rather muddy, so you would have to go out 7-25 miles before hitting blue water... Apparently the shrimp are attracted to boundary of the fresh and salt water since you see a lot of shrimp boats out there... With the shrimp come larger fish and somewhere in this food chain, I suspect that the dolphins find their meals... Why some of them end up in the intracoastal waterway, I don't know... I'll usually see at least 3 or 4 each time I go through there... >>So would the dolphins... > > Why would the dolphins want to be able to see my gauges? I was thinking it might be helpful if they could accurately report where the body could be found. :) > Seriously though, the intracoastal waterway is open to the Gulf very close > to where I usually see them, so if they wanted clear water, they could [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > intracoastal waterway, I don't know... I'll usually see at least 3 or 4 each > time I go through there... Yeah, I've seen them too, and I figured they were chasing something really important to them, else why tolerate the unatural situation? Maybe their food stocks elsewhere are scant and they're doing the only thing they can, or as you say, they simply taking advantage of a situation when the opportunity presents itself. I suppose if they limit their exposure to what usually ends up in most rivers, they'll live long enough to reproduce. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' >> I went down to Grand Bahamas a few years ago and did the dolphin >> dive with Unexso. The dive masters got two dolphins to do silly tricks [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to use a white tiger for entertainment in a Las Vegas nightclub. With any > luck, somebody's gonna get bit. Say Hey !! I can't answer that question. But I know someone on social culture thai that knows where the elephants lie down. 5555 Yee-Haw !! > Say Hey !! > > I can't answer that question. But I know someone on social culture thai that > knows where the elephants lie down. > > 5555 Yee-Haw !! pickle, get lost. No one asked about f.cking elephants. And if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute, get the hell off the thread.
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