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Scuba Forum / General / January 2005Cruise Ship Diver Death?
I recently heard that a fellow that had gone diving during his cruise holiday, encountered some trouble and drowned. Details were sketchy since I heard them second hand from the person that heard it from a diver that was there. As I understood it, the fellow had some sort of trouble either during the dive or immediately upon reaching the surface. He was disoriented at the surface for some reason. Somehow or other, he ended up with all of his gear off except for his weightbelt. He ended up on the bottom . . . No one could get to him fast enough to save him. Actually, I'm not sure they even managed to recover him. Does anyone have any more info on this accident? > As I understood it, the fellow had some sort of trouble either during the > dive or immediately upon reaching the surface. He was disoriented at the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Does anyone have any more info on this accident? CDNN does: http://www.cdnn.info/safety/s040101b/s040101b.html They probably made it up. I couldn't find backup in either the Concord, NH local rag or the Cayman online news. Well the person is question is indeed dead... HEINECKE, Carl David, 54; Concord, NH; Nwu, Feinberg Sch of Med, Chicago Il 60611 1974; certified by the American Board of Anesthesiology; died December 29, 2003 http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/12853.html#H > Well the person is question is indeed dead... > > HEINECKE, Carl David, 54; Concord, NH; Nwu, Feinberg Sch of Med, Chicago Il 60611 1974; certified by the American Board of Anesthesiology; died December 29, 2003 > http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/12853.html#H Oh geez, good point. It's not the same guy. One year apart . . . If you had bothered to check the date of the article you referenced http://www.cdnn.info/safety/s040101b/s040101b.html You would see that it was JAN 1 2004... It was referencing the same individual Paul in VT > If you had bothered to check the date of the article you referenced > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Paul in VT I'm not sure who you are trying to talk to Paul, but my original query was with regard to a cruiseship diver who drowned *this* year. So, there still have been no results, in that regard. Chilly I was responding to Greg's reference in the CDNN article... Paul in VT > Chilly > > I was responding to Greg's reference in the CDNN article... To be more effective here at rec.scuba, you should learn how to quote the poster to whom you respond. In any event, neither one of you came up with the right guy. The person I'm referring to, drowned sometime after Christmas 2004. > To be more effective here at rec.scuba, you should learn how to quote the > poster to whom you respond. Yes, you never know when being a more effective rec.scuban will play a major roll in your life. Whether it's "here", as you so brilliantly state, or "there", as you fail to mention. The key certainly is knowing how to quote the poster. > > To be more effective here at rec.scuba, you should learn how to quote the > > poster to whom you respond. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "there", as you fail to mention. The key certainly is knowing how to quote > the poster. Of course, it's never that difficult to recognize a complete prick, whether "here" or "there". > > > To be more effective here at rec.scuba, you should learn how to quote > the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Of course, it's never that difficult to recognize a complete prick, whether > "here" or "there". Absolutely! You recognize a "complete prick" with a mirror; it could be here, there, or anywhere. >>To be more effective here at rec.scuba, you should learn how to quote the >>poster to whom you respond. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "there", as you fail to mention. The key certainly is knowing how to quote > the poster. spelling too ro is that two or to are to are two > spelling too ro is that two or to are to are two Did any of the wine make it to the sauce? > In any event, neither one of you came up with the right guy. The person > I'm > referring to, drowned sometime after Christmas 2004. Perhaps he was resurrected and died again. A lot of people believe in that sort of thing. In any case, he didn't drown. It was a heart attack. > > In any event, neither one of you came up with the right guy. The person > > I'm [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > In any case, he didn't drown. It was a heart attack. The guy you keep going on about had a heart attack. The guy I'm asking about, well, we still don't know why he drowned. > The guy you keep going on about had a heart attack. The guy I'm asking > about, well, we still don't know why he drowned. Probably because he had a heart attack. It's hard not to drown when you have a heart attack. > > The guy you keep going on about had a heart attack. The guy I'm asking > > about, well, we still don't know why he drowned. > > Probably because he had a heart attack. It's hard not to drown when you > have a heart attack. Unh hunh . . .just to remind you, the story went like this: Cruise ship diver was disoriented on surface for some unknown reason. Diver ended up doffing (or being relieved of ) all of his gear except his weightbelt. Diver descended rapidly to the bottom . . . and drowned. Maybe it was murder. > Unh hunh . . .just to remind you, the story went like this: > > Cruise ship diver was disoriented on surface for some unknown reason. I'm sure heart attacks can be disorienting. I'm usually disoriented without a heart attack. > Diver > ended up doffing (or being relieved of ) all of his gear except his > weightbelt. Heart attack victims get the suffocating crushing feeling and take off all their clothes. Or so I'm told. Diver descended rapidly to the bottom . . . and drowned. Or drowned and descended rapidly to the bottom. Your pick. I still think your friend made it up. I would make up something like that and tell you and see if you reported it as news on rec.scuba. Or maybe I wouldn't. Anyway, the closest I could find, now that you insist on this year and a drowning is this drunk who jumped overboard (no, it wasn't me). Note that the article specifically does not state that the drunk was not wearing scuba gear: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=6245 Oh, and here's a completely unrelated but neat story about a spearfisher getting sharked in Australia. Not your guy, of course, but still neat: "'His two mates in a nearby boat heard screaming coming from the water, then saw him surrounded by a pool of blood,' the spokesperson said." http://www.globallifeguards.org/themes/Custom/1/glg_articleView.asp?pid=68&tid=1 4&articleid=389 > "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote in message > > Cruise ship diver was disoriented on surface for some unknown reason. > > I'm sure heart attacks can be disorienting. I'm usually disoriented without > a heart attack. I'll give you that. > > Diver > > ended up doffing (or being relieved of ) all of his gear except his [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Or drowned and descended rapidly to the bottom. Your pick. He drowned with his weightbelt on. > I still think your friend made it up. I would make up something like that > and tell you and see if you reported it as news on rec.scuba. Or maybe I > wouldn't. Hmm, I'm keeping an open mind. Here's how I heard about it. I go diving with the DM and two new guys. One of the new guys was off of a cruise ship. He was a pretty good diver and a very interesting person. After a nice little post-dive chat, I never saw him again because he had to hook up with his wife and return to the ship. Shortly after he wandered off up the dock in search of his wife, the DM came over to me and said "Well, that's one cool customer" and I replied "How so?" and she then related to me the story that he had told her about how he had been diving the day before and . . . Well, I've already told you the rest of how the subject cruise ship diver, apparently, drowned. In any event, I'm starting to wonder if it is possible that the DM misunderstood. Perhaps the guy we were diving with was telling her that last year, at the same port . . .etc. > Anyway, the closest I could find, now that you insist on this year and a > drowning is this drunk who jumped overboard (no, it wasn't me). Note that > the article specifically does not state that the drunk was not wearing scuba > gear: > > http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=6245 Do you ever get that disoriented? > Oh, and here's a completely unrelated but neat story about a spearfisher > getting sharked in Australia. Not your guy, of course, but still neat: > "'His two mates in a nearby boat heard screaming coming from the water, then > saw him surrounded by a pool of blood,' the spokesperson said." http://www.globallifeguards.org/themes/Custom/1/glg_articleView.asp?pid=68&tid=1 4&articleid=389 Interesting. Well, thanks for all your help. > > "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote in message > > > Cruise ship diver was disoriented on surface for some unknown reason. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'll give you that. Well, well, well. We FINALLY agreed on something about your worshipee Greg. > > Heart attack victims get the suffocating crushing feeling and take off all > > their clothes. Or so I'm told. Greg was disoriented to relate to the time he spent on the nudie beach. He thought EVERYONE was having a heart attack. > Do you ever get that disoriented? What a question to ask Greg! He was soooooo disoriented that he thought the 13-minute test for MORONS, given to him by Jason, was an IQ test, and bragged about his score. :-) And even asked "wonder which one I missed?" With questions like (True or False; answer in 20 seconds) Question 3: 27 minutes before 7 o'clock is the same as 33 minutes after 5. How could even DISORIENTED morons like Greg miss??? > Interesting. Well, thanks for all your help. You're welcome, chilly bean. Now you should have learned not to worship Greg by taking his words as if he knew what he was talking about. You hear? -- Bob. > He drowned with his weightbelt on. Weightbelts are a leading cause of dive fatalities, somewhere after heart attacks and running out of air. > Do you ever get that disoriented? I've been disoriented enough to pee overboard, but I never jump. > Interesting. Well, thanks for all your help. Any time. >>He drowned with his weightbelt on. > > Weightbelts are a leading cause of dive fatalities, somewhere after heart > attacks and running out of air. Then we should have a ban on weightbelts. > Weightbelts are a leading cause of dive fatalities, somewhere after heart > attacks and running out of air. That and being surrounded by a menacing pool of blood... > Oh, and here's a completely unrelated but neat story about a spearfisher > getting sharked in Australia. Not your guy, of course, but still neat: > "'His two mates in a nearby boat heard screaming coming from the water, then > saw him surrounded by a pool of blood,' the spokesperson said." Yep, gotta watch out for those pools of blood... You'll be swimming along and then all of a sudden, one will completely surround you... I hear that they attract sharks... >> Unh hunh . . .just to remind you, the story went like this: >> >> Cruise ship diver was disoriented on surface for some unknown reason. > >I'm sure heart attacks can be disorienting. I'm usually disoriented without >a heart attack. Maybe he got up at 5 am. I had to today to get Carol to the airport. Now I'm ready to join the pups for a mid morning nap. But NOOOO, I've got a conf call with a customer at 11. At least I don't have to get dressed up today. >> Diver >> ended up doffing (or being relieved of ) all of his gear except his >> weightbelt. > >Heart attack victims get the suffocating crushing feeling and take off all >their clothes. Or so I'm told. Remind me to not be around Popeye when he has his. >Diver descended rapidly to the bottom . . . and drowned. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >http://www.globallifeguards.org/themes/Custom/1/glg_articleView.asp?pid=68&tid=1 4&articleid=389 Why put a pool in the middle of the ocean? Isn't there already enough water there? And it's even creepier to fill it with blood.  Signaturedillon "When the French are against it, you know we can't be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman well...after reading all the BS about the "Drowned Diver" it is apparrent that no one seems to be sure about the suspect event ..in any case.... most divers that drowned due to a medical event ie: Heart attack etc.....do not remove there BCs or other gear ...they may panic and yes become disoriented but usually arrive at the surface or or end up on the bottom fully geared and unconscious ...later.... > > Unh hunh . . .just to remind you, the story went like this: > > > > Cruise ship diver was disoriented on surface for some unknown reason. > > I'm sure heart attacks can be disorienting. I'm usually disoriented without > a heart attack. Greg> I'm usually disoriented without a heart attack. No truer word has been said by Greg during these past couple of weeks! -- Bob. > No truer word has been said by Greg during these past couple of weeks! It must really suck to lose an $18,000 bet and then be caught welshing. You're awfully bitter over it. But if you think you're pissed off now, wait until you get served with the summons. Thus spake "Paul Christenson via ScubaMonster.com" <forum@ScubaMonster.com> : >Well the person is question is indeed dead... > >HEINECKE, Carl David, 54; Concord, NH; Nwu, Feinberg Sch of Med, Chicago Il 60611 1974; certified by the American Board of Anesthesiology; died December 29, 2003 > >http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/12853.html#H Yup, that's "recent" news. Or, as I tell my f-i-l (who reads two week old newspapers), it's called "news", not "olds". Signaturedillon "When the French are against it, you know we can't be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman > > As I understood it, the fellow had some sort of trouble either during the > > dive or immediately upon reaching the surface. He was disoriented at the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > They probably made it up. I can't believe you read that rag. > I couldn't find backup in either the Concord, NH > local rag or the Cayman online news. In any event, CDNN didn't even have as much info as I had second-hand, well, other than the possible heart-attack. >> They probably made it up. > > I can't believe you read that rag. I don't. I do search Google when my friends are too lazy. > In any event, CDNN didn't even have as much info as I had second-hand, > well, > other than the possible heart-attack. I could have guessed it was a heart attack. Did you have his name? >> > As I understood it, the fellow had some sort of trouble either during > the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > well, > other than the possible heart-attack. What's a matter? The ghost story on the same page scare you right out of your skivies? ;-) That is some pretty high-powered reporting they got there ... Buck I read your posting at 11.20 this morning (January 27th) and turned on Cayman Vibe Radio for the noon news. They reported the death of a snorkeller today. He was a cruise ship visitor. Suspected cause? Heart Attack. >I read your posting at 11.20 this morning (January 27th) and turned on > Cayman Vibe Radio for the noon news. They reported the death of a > snorkeller today. He was a cruise ship visitor. Suspected cause? > Heart Attack. Was he wearing a banana? > >I read your posting at 11.20 this morning (January 27th) and turned on > > Cayman Vibe Radio for the noon news. They reported the death of a > > snorkeller today. He was a cruise ship visitor. Suspected cause? > > Heart Attack. > > Was he wearing a banana? :^P |
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