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Scuba/Family resort suggestions please...
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Mike Ross - 02 Jan 2005 03:30 GMT Folks,
We're looking for a location for a resort-type holiday (Sandals/Beaches or similar most/all inclusive deal) with some half-decent diving options. If they serve nitrox, so much the better. OK, this is never going to be the best diving, but what's the least-worst?
Where: Keys or Caribbean.
When: next two months.
Who: Self, wife, au pair, kids (3 months & 23 months).
We like the 'fit & forget' aspect of Beaches-type operation - all inclusive, nanny/daycare available, lots for kids etc. etc. - this is primarily a family holiday, NOT a diving holiday, but if I don't get underwater soon I'm going to go stark raving bonkers.
Thanks for any suggestions. 'Use contraception' and 'shag the au pair, leave wife & kids at home' have already been considered and found unhelpful...
Mike
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Alan Street - 02 Jan 2005 04:22 GMT > Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > leave wife & kids at home' have already been considered and found > unhelpful... Actually, I would probably be thinking more along the lines of leave the kids at home with the au pair, and shag your wife at Sandals. Contraception is optional depending on future family plans :-)
Mike Ross - 02 Jan 2005 05:58 GMT >> We like the 'fit & forget' aspect of Beaches-type operation - all >> inclusive, nanny/daycare available, lots for kids etc. etc. - this is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >the kids at home with the au pair, and shag your wife at Sandals. >Contraception is optional depending on future family plans :-) I like this idea too - dive all day, shag all night, pretend I'm 20 again... unfortunately:
1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight. 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times a day, so I can hardly take it to Sandals with me, can I?!
Mike
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Grumman-581 - 02 Jan 2005 17:07 GMT > 1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight. > 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times > a day, so I can hardly take it to Sandals with me, can I?! With one under 6 mths old and requiring breast feeding, you're kind of up the proverbial excrement creek without the paddle... Who wanted the kids, you or her? If you, then you got what you deserved and now you can forget about any type of vacation or social life until they're old enough that they can be left alone for a few hours... The last time that Grace and I went to a movie together was probably over 10 years ago (Kaitlyn just turned 10)... If the wife was the one wanting the kids and you finally, after much protest, decided to "cooperate", then they're her problem and she can take care of them while you go diving... Like I said previously -- drop them off at Disney in the morning, go diving all day, pick them up in the even when Disney closes... On the other hand, as long as she's going to be having to take care of them, you might as well go to Coz and let her take care of them there (while you still go diving without her)...
Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh? Have you figured out what causes it yet?
Rudy Benner - 02 Jan 2005 17:36 GMT >> 1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight. >> 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh? Have you figured out what causes it yet? The Stork made a mistake? Twice?
Grumman-581 - 02 Jan 2005 18:18 GMT > The Stork made a mistake? Twice? Well, he is *bird*-brained, right?
I'm over in the New Orleans area these days and because of the historic French influence around here, there's a lot of Catholics -- and their *large* families... Whereas many parts of the country are smart enough to realize that having just 2 kids is enough to maintain the population once you figure in the eventual possible stuttering of a set of twins or tiplets for the second pregnancy, that's not the case around here... They start young and keep on going... Of course, it is like this in many of the Hispanic communities also (they also tend to be Catholic)... Of course, the Mormons are pretty good at it also, but Utah is pretty large and empty once you get away from Salt Lake City and no one really notices... <grin>
So, there's basically just too many people in this country -- would some of ya'll just quit fuckin' for awhile?
Rudy Benner - 02 Jan 2005 18:32 GMT >> The Stork made a mistake? Twice? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > of > ya'll just quit fuckin' for awhile? Its the same up here, the French Canadians (eh), are still making big families. Its the Catlick influence. 200 years behind the times as usual.
Grumman-581 - 02 Jan 2005 18:34 GMT > Its the same up here, the French Canadians (eh), are still making big > families. Its the Catlick influence. 200 years behind the times as usual. I see women around here that are my age and they have GRANDCHILDEN that are the age of my daughter... SHEEETTTT !!!
Dillon Pyron - 03 Jan 2005 03:33 GMT >> 1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight. >> 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh? Have you figured out what causes it yet? Usually, the bitch is shipped to the sire, where the breeding takes place, then shipped back to her owner. Sometimes frozen sperm is shipped to the breeder. The breeder does an xray at about three weeks to determine the size of the litter. At about 45 days, you should have the whelping box ready, with the bitch used to it. Your vet should be on call, in case a C-section is needed. You have to make the call after the contractions start, sometimes she'll free whelp some pups, but need a c-section for others.
Of course, in 10 weeks, you've placed them for either pet or show.
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Alan Street - 03 Jan 2005 04:49 GMT > >Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh? Have you figured out what causes it yet? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Of course, in 10 weeks, you've placed them for either pet or show. You're a sick puppy, Dillon :-)
Dillon Pyron - 03 Jan 2005 23:44 GMT >> >Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh? Have you figured out what causes it yet? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >You're a sick puppy, Dillon :-) Ruby is 9 1/2 months. She and Toby are sacked out in the living room right now.
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Mike Ross - 09 Jan 2005 03:20 GMT >> 1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight. >> 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times >> a day, so I can hardly take it to Sandals with me, can I?!
>Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh? Have you figured out what causes it yet? Yes. She Who Must Be Obeyed has muttered something about a vasectomy with a garden spade...
Thanks for all who replied on the thread. We've pretty much decided that this time around it's going to be 'Beaches' in Jamaica - probably Ochos Rios/Boscobel. Options still open, however. Mixed reviews, but the diving has GOT to be better than Long Island Sound in February...
Wait a few years until the kids are old enough to leave behind with family & nanny... THEN we do it properly - just the two of us, go to Hedo or Desire for a week for some *real* fun ;-)
Mike
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Dillon Pyron - 09 Jan 2005 20:42 GMT >>> 1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight. >>> 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Mike Mike, wrong order, take the nanny, leave the wife. Unless she was the one who picked the nanny.
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Froggy - 10 Jan 2005 11:11 GMT I do not mean to be a killjoy, but have you checked the availabiliy of proper medical facilities?
We went to Dominican Republic (hoping for some diving that never materialized...) with our 16-month old son last year and he got severe bronchiolitis there. We had checked that there was a doctor available on the resort, but he was not prepared to deal with such a case (ventolin spray not working etc.), while it took 5 hours to get to the nearest proper hospital and it was not really an option in the middle of the night. He eventually gave our kid some sirups that worked, though we subsequently found them to be unappropriate for young children...
Everything eventually went OK but we would not wish that experience to anyone, and better planning in advance would have sparred us that. Cheers,
Froggy
Mike Ross - 10 Jan 2005 15:10 GMT >I do not mean to be a killjoy, but have you checked the availabiliy of >proper medical facilities? Indeed yes - it's been a major factor in deciding where to go. Our youngest will be under three months when we travel; babies of that age can get very sick, very quickly.
>Everything eventually went OK but we would not wish that experience to >anyone, and better planning in advance would have sparred us that. Sorry you had a bad time, thanks for the reminder.
Mike
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Froggy - 11 Jan 2005 09:43 GMT Since we are going to be in the same situation as yourselves in a few months (i.e. looking for warm destinations suitable for infant and young child, with some diving available) may I ask what is the level of health care available in Jamaica, and other places that you had found suitable?
Thanks,
Froggy
swashbuckler - 02 Jan 2005 05:17 GMT Consider Cozumel. It has everything you asked for and much more.
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> Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Mike Mike Ross - 02 Jan 2005 05:59 GMT >Consider Cozumel. It has everything you asked for and much more. Cool. Cozumel. Thanks. Any suggestions on specific all/most inclusive resorts to go to there?
Mike
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Dan Bracuk - 02 Jan 2005 13:12 GMT Mike Ross <mike@corestore.org> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:We're looking for a location for a resort-type holiday :(Sandals/Beaches or similar most/all inclusive deal) with some :half-decent diving options. If they serve nitrox, so much the better. :OK, this is never going to be the best diving, but what's the :least-worst? <snip>
:Who: Self, wife, au pair, kids (3 months & 23 months). : :We like the 'fit & forget' aspect of Beaches-type operation - all :inclusive, nanny/daycare available, lots for kids etc. etc. - this is :primarily a family holiday, NOT a diving holiday, but if I don't get :underwater soon I'm going to go stark raving bonkers. Places that I have been to that would suit your needs include: Cozumel - Iberostar or Club Cozumel Caribe or Sun Village (some names may have changed since I was there) Grenada - La Source Santiago de Cuba - Superclubs (was a Delta when I was there)
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Grumman-581 - 02 Jan 2005 16:03 GMT Florida... Drop the wife and kid(s) off at Disney world each day and go diving alone... Worked for me a few years ago...
Becky - 03 Jan 2005 00:32 GMT Cozumel is a good choice. People have already given you lots of suggestions for that.
If you want to go someplace different, consider Curacao, in the Dutch Caribbean. It has excellent diving (similar to Bonaire) and several all-inclusive places. Try a Web search on Curacao +all-inclusive. I stay at Habitat, which is neither all-inclusive nor (IMHO) a particularly good place for non-divers or small children. I know where two of the AIs are but haven't stayed there: Breezes and Seaquarium Resort (well, I stayed at SeaQuarium a decade ago when it was Lion's Dive, but that's probably irrelevant). Breezes is near the SeaQuarium Resort, which as a (duh) aquarium, which your kids would probably like. They could have a dolphin encounter, pet rays and sea cucumbers, and see a flamingo or two up close & personal.
Becky
> Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Mike A.K.A. - MORK - 15 Jan 2005 06:30 GMT Curacao is great we dove with Tucan diving and did 2 wall dives with them, great group of people, great resort. and the diving was great (from my limited experience) both were wall dives we got to 100 feet, and saw tons of fish and plant life.
William R. Hester - 04 Feb 2005 23:36 GMT Check out Playa del Carmen in Mexico (40 miles south of Cancun). Last trip we stayed at a resort which offered inclusive or non-inclusive. Worked for us. In-law's family with two kids went inclusive. We went to town for some really nice places. They joined us for a few trips into town when they got tired of the resort food. The name of the place is Grand Porto Real . Check it out using Google and go to the reviews on tripadvisor.com. I dove, with nitrox at The Abyss, which is just a few blocks away from the resort. I've also used the dive operator Tank-Ha many times, but they don't have nitrox. The resort has a doctor on site every day. There is a recompression chamber in town (I've never used it, but it is there). The dives are current drift type dives on reefs from 30 to 90 ft. deep. There is also a wreck dive at 110 ft. We've been going to PdelC for 5 yrs. now because it pleeases everyone. Also, you can book dives on Cozumel, the island 23 miles from P del C. The ferry takes about 45 min. to get there and costs $18 US one way. There are also two theme park places that are nice for kids... Xcaret (close to P del C) and Xel-Ha. Both a bit expensive, but godd for a day trip. BTW, you kdon't kneed to know spanish... almost everyone speaks English, but learning a few workds of spanish helps . Buena Suuerte, memo
:wq Steve - 03 Jan 2005 05:46 GMT > Folks, > > We're looking for a location for a resort-type holiday > (Sandals/Beaches or similar most/all inclusive deal) with some > half-decent diving options. I've never been to a Club Med, so I can't offer an opinion, so much as a possibility you could look into yourself. Some Club Med locations offer (at least they did once upon a time) better diving options than others. I think they may have referred to those as "dedicated dive resorts" or some such. IIRC, one of them was the Club Med in Turks and Caicos. Club Med probably offers what you're looking for in the way of the family resort (IIRC, some don't allow kids under a certain age, so those are clearly not a good choice), and the T&C are known for the diving.
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Bradburn Fentress - 07 Jan 2005 17:21 GMT > Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Mike I commend you for taking your kids on vacation at these ages. My oldest is in grad school and my youngest a junior in HS, but from the time they were infants they accompanied us everywhere, and since my wife and I had been divers long before either were born that meant dive vacations as well. We did not have a vacation together, of any length, without the kids, until my youngest was in her early teens. No regrets, no second thoughts and now as the girls have grown we get to see what it meant to them too.
Picking a vacation spot instead of a dedicated diving spot is a very small concession....in our case it was a fast, incredibly fast, 12 years or so before my wife and I started taking vacations without the kids. Today it feels like we missed nothing at all. And today we go where and when we want predicated on work and money, rather than school and youth sports schedules.
The downside is this: since the kids are seasoned travelers and experienced divers, and since they know we know there really isn't any specific reason they can't make most trips with us, we are left with but one option when telling them why they can't come. Hey girls, we just don't want you along on this trip!.....which is much better than telling them Mom and Dad want to be alone for awhile, because the thought of that just sickens them :^)
Sorry I can't help you with resort suggestions but all-inclusives turned out to not be our cup of tea, so I have zero experience with that type of resort in the last ten years or so. But I found Cayman Brac, Bonaire, and New Providence among the Caribbean islands I found most enjoyable and conducive to mixing diving and family vacations. Divi on Brac was particularly good in this sense, even though in those days the only place to eat was their on-property meal plan.
Donna McLaughlin, bless her devious soul, skewed the crab race so my two kids would win and to this day they still have their "I got the Crabs at Tiara Beach" t-shirts.........only now they know what it really means. I still remember her "Now what you going to do Dad" smirk in my direction when she presented the kids with the shirts.
Most scuba places and people treat kids real special...at least that has been our experience.
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