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Mike Ross - 02 Jan 2005 03:30 GMT
Folks,

We're looking for a location for a resort-type holiday
(Sandals/Beaches or similar most/all inclusive deal) with some
half-decent diving options. If they serve nitrox, so much the better.
OK, this is never going to be the best diving, but what's the
least-worst?

Where: Keys or Caribbean.

When: next two months.

Who: Self, wife, au pair, kids (3 months & 23 months).

We like the 'fit & forget' aspect of Beaches-type operation - all
inclusive, nanny/daycare available, lots for kids etc. etc. - this is
primarily a family holiday, NOT a diving holiday, but if I don't get
underwater soon I'm going to go stark raving bonkers.

Thanks for any suggestions. 'Use contraception' and 'shag the au pair,
leave wife & kids at home' have already been considered and found
unhelpful...

Mike
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Alan Street - 02 Jan 2005 04:22 GMT
> Folks,
>
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> leave wife & kids at home' have already been considered and found
> unhelpful...

Actually, I would probably be thinking more along the lines of leave
the kids at home with the au pair, and shag your wife at Sandals.
Contraception is optional depending on future family plans :-)
Mike Ross - 02 Jan 2005 05:58 GMT
>> We like the 'fit & forget' aspect of Beaches-type operation - all
>> inclusive, nanny/daycare available, lots for kids etc. etc. - this is
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>the kids at home with the au pair, and shag your wife at Sandals.
>Contraception is optional depending on future family plans :-)

I like this idea too - dive all day, shag all night, pretend I'm 20
again... unfortunately:

1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight.
2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times
a day, so I can hardly take it to Sandals with me, can I?!

Mike
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Grumman-581 - 02 Jan 2005 17:07 GMT
> 1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight.
> 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times
> a day, so I can hardly take it to Sandals with me, can I?!

With one under 6 mths old and requiring breast feeding, you're kind of up
the proverbial excrement creek without the paddle... Who wanted the kids,
you or her?  If you, then you got what you deserved and now you can forget
about any type of vacation or social life until they're old enough that they
can be left alone for a few hours... The last time that Grace and I went to
a movie together was probably over 10 years ago (Kaitlyn just turned 10)...
If the wife was the one wanting the kids and you finally, after much
protest, decided to "cooperate", then they're her problem and she can take
care of them while you go diving... Like I said previously -- drop them off
at Disney in the morning, go diving all day, pick them up in the even when
Disney closes... On the other hand, as long as she's going to be having to
take care of them, you might as well go to Coz and let her take care of them
there (while you still go diving without her)...

Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh?  Have you figured out what causes it yet?
Rudy Benner - 02 Jan 2005 17:36 GMT
>> 1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight.
>> 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times
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> Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh?  Have you figured out what causes it yet?

The Stork made a mistake? Twice?
Grumman-581 - 02 Jan 2005 18:18 GMT
> The Stork made a mistake? Twice?

Well, he is *bird*-brained, right?

I'm over in the New Orleans area these days and because of the historic
French influence around here, there's a lot of Catholics -- and their
*large* families... Whereas many parts of the country are smart enough to
realize that having just 2 kids is enough to maintain the population once
you figure in the eventual possible stuttering of a set of twins or tiplets
for the second pregnancy, that's not the case around here... They start
young and keep on going... Of course, it is like this in many of the
Hispanic communities also (they also tend to be Catholic)... Of course, the
Mormons are pretty good at it also, but Utah is pretty large and empty once
you get away from Salt Lake City and no one really notices... <grin>

So, there's basically just too many people in this country -- would some of
ya'll just quit fuckin' for awhile?
Rudy Benner - 02 Jan 2005 18:32 GMT
>> The Stork made a mistake? Twice?
>
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> of
> ya'll just quit fuckin' for awhile?

Its the same up here, the French Canadians (eh), are still making big
families. Its the Catlick influence. 200 years behind the times as usual.
Grumman-581 - 02 Jan 2005 18:34 GMT
> Its the same up here, the French Canadians (eh), are still making big
> families. Its the Catlick influence. 200 years behind the times as usual.

I see women around here that are my age and they have GRANDCHILDEN that are
the age of my daughter... SHEEETTTT !!!
Dillon Pyron - 03 Jan 2005 03:33 GMT
>> 1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight.
>> 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times
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>
>Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh?  Have you figured out what causes it yet?

Usually, the bitch is shipped to the sire, where the breeding takes
place, then shipped back to her owner.  Sometimes frozen sperm is
shipped to the breeder.  The breeder does an xray at about three weeks
to determine the size of the litter.  At about 45 days, you should
have the whelping box ready, with the bitch used to it.  Your vet
should be on call, in case a C-section is needed.  You have to make
the call after the contractions start, sometimes she'll free whelp
some pups, but need a c-section for others.

Of course, in 10 weeks, you've placed them for either pet or show.

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Alan Street - 03 Jan 2005 04:49 GMT
> >Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh?  Have you figured out what causes it yet?
>
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>
> Of course, in 10 weeks, you've placed them for either pet or show.

You're a sick puppy, Dillon :-)
Dillon Pyron - 03 Jan 2005 23:44 GMT
>> >Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh?  Have you figured out what causes it yet?
>>
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>
>You're a sick puppy, Dillon :-)

Ruby is 9 1/2 months.  She and Toby are sacked out in the living room
right now.

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Mike Ross - 09 Jan 2005 03:20 GMT
>> 1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight.
>> 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times
>> a day, so I can hardly take it to Sandals with me, can I?!

>Ages 3 mths and 23 mths, huh?  Have you figured out what causes it yet?

Yes. She Who Must Be Obeyed has muttered something about a vasectomy
with a garden spade...

Thanks for all who replied on the thread. We've pretty much decided
that this time around it's going to be 'Beaches' in Jamaica - probably
Ochos Rios/Boscobel. Options still open, however. Mixed reviews, but
the diving has GOT to be better than Long Island Sound in February...

Wait a few years until the kids are old enough to leave behind with
family & nanny... THEN we do it properly - just the two of us, go to
Hedo or Desire for a week for some *real* fun ;-)

Mike
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Dillon Pyron - 09 Jan 2005 20:42 GMT
>>> 1. Au pairs don't look after kids under 6 months old, or overnight.
>>> 2. Youngest kid requires to be hooked up to his milk supply ~ 10 times
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>Mike

Mike, wrong order, take the nanny, leave the wife.  Unless she was the
one who picked the nanny.

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Froggy - 10 Jan 2005 11:11 GMT
I do not mean to be a killjoy, but have you checked the availabiliy of
proper medical facilities?

We went to Dominican Republic (hoping for some diving that never
materialized...) with our 16-month old son last year and he got severe
bronchiolitis there. We had checked that there was a doctor available
on the resort, but he was not prepared to deal with such a case
(ventolin spray not working etc.), while it took 5 hours to get to the
nearest proper hospital and it was not really an option in the middle
of the night. He eventually gave our kid some sirups that worked,
though we subsequently found them to be unappropriate for young
children...

Everything eventually went OK but we would not wish that experience to
anyone, and better planning in advance would have sparred us that.
Cheers,

Froggy
Mike Ross - 10 Jan 2005 15:10 GMT
>I do not mean to be a killjoy, but have you checked the availabiliy of
>proper medical facilities?

Indeed yes - it's been a major factor in deciding where to go. Our
youngest will be under three months when we travel; babies of that age
can get very sick, very quickly.

>Everything eventually went OK but we would not wish that experience to
>anyone, and better planning in advance would have sparred us that.

Sorry you had a bad time, thanks for the reminder.

Mike
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Froggy - 11 Jan 2005 09:43 GMT
Since we are going to be in the same situation as yourselves in a few
months (i.e. looking for warm destinations suitable for infant and
young child, with some diving available) may I ask what is the level of
health care available in Jamaica, and other places that you had found
suitable?

Thanks,

Froggy
swashbuckler - 02 Jan 2005 05:17 GMT
Consider Cozumel. It has everything you asked for and much more.

S

> Folks,
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> Mike
Mike Ross - 02 Jan 2005 05:59 GMT
>Consider Cozumel. It has everything you asked for and much more.

Cool. Cozumel. Thanks. Any suggestions on specific all/most inclusive
resorts to go to there?

Mike
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Dan Bracuk - 02 Jan 2005 13:12 GMT
Mike Ross <mike@corestore.org> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
in:
:We're looking for a location for a resort-type holiday
:(Sandals/Beaches or similar most/all inclusive deal) with some
:half-decent diving options. If they serve nitrox, so much the better.
:OK, this is never going to be the best diving, but what's the
:least-worst?
<snip>
:Who: Self, wife, au pair, kids (3 months & 23 months).
:
:We like the 'fit & forget' aspect of Beaches-type operation - all
:inclusive, nanny/daycare available, lots for kids etc. etc. - this is
:primarily a family holiday, NOT a diving holiday, but if I don't get
:underwater soon I'm going to go stark raving bonkers.

Places that I have been to that would suit your needs include:
Cozumel - Iberostar or Club Cozumel Caribe or Sun Village (some names
may have changed since I was there)
Grenada - La Source
Santiago de Cuba - Superclubs (was a Delta when I was there)

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Grumman-581 - 02 Jan 2005 16:03 GMT
Florida... Drop the wife and kid(s) off at Disney world each day and go
diving alone... Worked for me a few years ago...
Becky - 03 Jan 2005 00:32 GMT
Cozumel is a good choice. People have already given you lots of suggestions
for that.

If you want to go someplace different, consider Curacao, in the Dutch
Caribbean.  It has excellent diving (similar to Bonaire) and several
all-inclusive places. Try a Web search on Curacao +all-inclusive.  I stay at
Habitat, which is neither all-inclusive nor (IMHO) a particularly good place
for non-divers or small children.  I know where two of the AIs are but
haven't stayed there: Breezes and Seaquarium Resort (well, I stayed at
SeaQuarium a decade ago when it was Lion's Dive, but that's probably
irrelevant). Breezes is near the SeaQuarium Resort, which as a (duh)
aquarium, which your kids would probably like.  They could have a dolphin
encounter, pet rays and sea cucumbers, and see a flamingo or two up close &
personal.

Becky

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> Mike
A.K.A. - MORK - 15 Jan 2005 06:30 GMT
Curacao is great we dove with Tucan diving  and did 2 wall dives with them,
great group of people, great resort.  and the diving was great (from my limited
experience)  both were wall dives we got to 100 feet, and saw tons of fish and
plant life.
William R. Hester - 04 Feb 2005 23:36 GMT
Check out Playa del Carmen in Mexico (40 miles south of Cancun).
Last trip we stayed at a resort which offered inclusive or non-inclusive.
Worked for us.  In-law's family with two kids went inclusive.
We went to town for some really nice places.  They joined us for a few
trips into town when they got tired of the resort food.
The name of the place is  Grand Porto Real .  Check it out using
Google and go to the reviews on tripadvisor.com.
I dove, with nitrox at The Abyss, which is just a few blocks away
from the resort.  
I've also used the dive operator  Tank-Ha many times, but they don't
have nitrox.  
The resort has a doctor on site every day.  There is a recompression
chamber in town (I've never used it, but it is there).
The dives are current drift type dives on reefs from 30 to 90 ft. deep.
There is also a wreck dive at 110 ft.
We've been going to PdelC for 5 yrs. now because it pleeases everyone.
Also, you can book dives on Cozumel, the island 23 miles from P del C.
The ferry takes about 45 min. to get there and costs $18 US one way.
There are also two theme park places that are nice for kids...
Xcaret (close to P del C) and Xel-Ha.  Both a bit expensive, but godd
for a day trip.
BTW, you kdon't kneed to know spanish... almost everyone speaks English,
but learning a few workds of spanish helps .
Buena Suuerte,
memo
:wq
Steve - 03 Jan 2005 05:46 GMT
> Folks,
>
> We're looking for a location for a resort-type holiday
> (Sandals/Beaches or similar most/all inclusive deal) with some
> half-decent diving options.

I've never been to a Club Med, so I can't offer an opinion, so much as a possibility
you could look into yourself. Some Club Med locations offer (at least they did once
upon a time) better diving options than others. I think they may have referred to
those as "dedicated dive resorts" or some such. IIRC, one of them was the Club Med in
Turks and Caicos. Club Med probably offers what you're looking for in the way of the
family resort (IIRC, some don't allow kids under a certain age, so those are clearly
not a good choice), and the T&C are known for the diving.

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Bradburn Fentress - 07 Jan 2005 17:21 GMT
> Folks,
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>
> Mike

I commend you for taking your kids on vacation at these ages. My oldest is
in grad school and my youngest a junior in HS, but from the time they were
infants they accompanied us everywhere, and since my wife and I had been
divers long before either were born that meant dive vacations as well. We
did not have a vacation together, of any length, without the kids, until my
youngest was in her early teens. No regrets, no second thoughts and now as
the girls have grown we get to see what it meant to them too.

Picking a vacation spot instead of a dedicated diving spot is a very small
concession....in our case it was a fast, incredibly fast, 12 years or so
before my wife and I started taking vacations without the kids. Today it
feels like we missed nothing at all. And today we go where and when we want
predicated on work and money, rather than school and youth sports schedules.

The downside is this: since the kids are seasoned travelers and experienced
divers, and since they know we know there really isn't any specific reason
they can't make most trips with us, we are left with but one option when
telling them why they can't come. Hey girls, we just don't want you along on
this trip!.....which is much better than telling them Mom and Dad want to be
alone for awhile, because the thought of that just sickens them :^)

Sorry I can't help you with resort suggestions but all-inclusives turned out
to not be our cup of tea, so I have zero experience with that type of resort
in the last ten years or so. But I found Cayman Brac, Bonaire, and New
Providence among the Caribbean islands I found most enjoyable and conducive
to mixing diving and family vacations. Divi on Brac was particularly good in
this sense, even though in those days the only place to eat was their
on-property meal plan.

Donna McLaughlin, bless her devious soul, skewed the crab race so my two
kids would win and to this day they still have their "I got the Crabs at
Tiara Beach" t-shirts.........only now they know what it really means. I
still remember her "Now what you going to do Dad" smirk in my direction when
she presented the kids with the shirts.

Most scuba places and people treat kids real special...at least that has
been our experience.
 
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