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Lisa Z. Morgan - 24 Dec 2004 00:29 GMT I am curious about people who defy scuba stereostypes. If the press (scuba magazines, Scuba Radio, etc., are to be believed, all scuba divers are white, (possibly Polynesian,) beautiful, sexy, youngh, herterosexual and homophobic.
Since I am a bixseual non-babe diving with a black bixsexual friend, I would like to hear from others who are not the stereo-typical "red-state" divers. Anyone out there?
Lisa
Rudy Benner - 24 Dec 2004 01:00 GMT >I am curious about people who defy scuba stereostypes. If the press (scuba >magazines, Scuba Radio, etc., are to be believed, all scuba divers are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Lisa What was the question again?
Grumman-581 - 24 Dec 2004 02:56 GMT > What was the question again? I think she was trying to ask if anyone could recommend a good spellchecker...
Rudy Benner - 24 Dec 2004 03:21 GMT >> What was the question again? > > I think she was trying to ask if anyone could recommend a good > spellchecker... Yes, trhat was it.
Reef Fish - 24 Dec 2004 16:16 GMT > > What was the question again? > > I think she was trying to ask if anyone could recommend a good > spellchecker... Sure it's 'spellchecker' and not 'schellpecker'?
-- Bob.
P.S. Merrrrrry Christmas! It's already 15 minutes into Christmas Day (12/25).
Matthias Voss - 25 Dec 2004 20:45 GMT >>>What was the question again? >> >>I think she was trying to ask if anyone could recommend a good >>spellchecker... > > Sure it's 'spellchecker' and not 'schellpecker'? Depends on how full your mouth is while schpellin.
Matthias
Lee Bell - 24 Dec 2004 03:34 GMT "Lisa Z. Morgan" wrote
>>I am curious about people who defy scuba stereostypes. If the press (scuba >>magazines, Scuba Radio, etc., are to be believed, all scuba divers are >>white, (possibly Polynesian,) beautiful, sexy, youngh, herterosexual and >>homophobic. Nobody here reads scuba magazines and we ceretainly don't listen to Scuba Radio. I suggest you'll be happier if you don't either.
We don't defy stereotypes, we simply don't fit them.
>> Since I am a bixseual non-babe diving with a black bixsexual friend, I >> would like to hear from others who are not the stereo-typical "red-state" >> divers. Anyone out there? I'm closer to pink than white, sometimes I'm darker and sometimes I'm redder. I'm never white, well, my butt is, but I don't make a habit of showing it around much . . . OK, so I do show it sometimes. Let's say I'm partly white. I'm not beautiful. I once dressed as a girl for a college skit. I wasn't beautiful then either. I'm not even handsome any more, but I used to be. I am sexy, always have been, always will be. Young is a state of mind. I'm real young, except when physical exertion is involved. Then I feal every bit of my half a century plus. I'm absolutely and unalterably heterosexual, but I'm not in the least homophobic and never have been. I could care less what a consenting adults to with one another as long as they don't do it to me. I don't watch Queer Eye for the Straight Guy because: 1. I have no desire to emulate somebody who is gay. 2. I don't think it's right that they can call themselves Queer and I can't.
Lee
BllFs6 - 24 Dec 2004 03:39 GMT >I don't watch Queer Eye for the Straight >Guy because: >1. I have no desire to emulate somebody who is gay. >2. I don't think it's right that they can call themselves Queer and I can't. > >Lee Awww come on Lee
those "dudes" really know how to fix up a house!
Even an "old coot" like you can learn new things :)
make it your new years resolution to watch at least a few episodes !
take care
Blll
Grumman-581 - 24 Dec 2004 03:39 GMT > Awww come on Lee > > those "dudes" really know how to fix up a house! Oh, that reminds me... Hey Lee, how's the Tiki Bar coming along?
Lee Bell - 24 Dec 2004 04:14 GMT >> Awww come on Lee >> >> those "dudes" really know how to fix up a house! > > Oh, that reminds me... Hey Lee, how's the Tiki Bar coming along? There's no Tiki involved, but it's been operational for a while now. For her birthday, one of our friends got Jayna sign that looks like a surfboard and has the name Island Girl painted on it. That's the name of our boat. Guess that's the name of our bar now too. For Christmas, a barmaid friend gave me a for real Budweiser blow up blimp which we'll put up as soon as we can figure where we like it best. The bar's been restocked at least twice and I'm about to stock it again. Captain Morgans, Dewars Scotch, Cuervo Gold and Bacardi Rum don't seem to last long. I suppose it could have something to do with the fact that I drink all of the above. Mudslides use up Bacardi at a phenomenal rate and my capacity for frozen margaritas seems to have no bounds. I suspect the act of making them burns off as much alcohol as drinking them supplies. If I don't get to the liquor store soon, I'm going to have to raid the boat's supply. I'm having trouble keeping beef in the refrigerator too, but that's Jayna's fault . . . well, mostly Jayna's fault.
We got word tonight that one of our friends is considering giving us a beer tap. I'm going to have to think about saying yes. I'm not sure we drink enough beer to warrant keeping a keg on tap and, to be honest, I'm not sure I want to make it that easy for Jayna. My Bud Light budget is bad enough as it is.
My Margaritta flavored snow cones were a big hit at my last party, at least until I got tired of shaving ice for them. I'm not sure, but I think there may be a commercial grade ice machine under my Christmas tree. I can't think of anything else Jayna would get me that is that big and that heavy. Guess I'll have to look for an easier way to get my shaved ice.
Anybody out there ever work a snow cone concession in a fair? Do they use shaved ice or crush it with a blender? Any idea where to get the right sized scoop to make the snowcones fit the paper cones (I use plastic cones only because I've not been able to find the paper ones yet.
On Jayna's birthday, December 5, we had dinner at Nami, a local Hibachi house we like. Some of our guests had chocolate martinis. Judging from the reaction, they must be orgasmic. I'll be looking for the recipe soon.
Tomorrow, we're getting ready for our Christmas morning breakfast. Jayna says we have about 20 people this year. That's down from the 30 we had last year and way down from the 50 we had the year before. 50 was too many. We didn't have space to breathe, let alone eat. It's no big deal in the summer, when people are likely to be in the yard or lake, but 50 people is too many for inside. It will be interesting to see how much space we have now that the patio/bar and table are available for use. We may bump the number up again if it looks like we have space.
Cooking for 50 is actually fun, even if we do start quite early. We've got the griddles, crock pots, frypans, etc. to handle it without a lot of trouble, but it does take some planning and advance preparation. We get the hash brown casserole ready for the oven the night before. The orange juice and champagne go on ice about the same time so there's no delay in preparing the mimosas (sp?). Pretty much everything else goes on in the early AM for a 9:00 breakfast. For the last few years, we've enlisted one couple to help with the cooking (bacon fryers, they don't get to touch the Ghoetta (sp?) or Jayna's sausage gravy. It's a trick to coordinate everything so that it comes together at the same time, but practice does make perfect. I'll have to ask Jayna how long we've been doing this, but I think we've been at it for more than 10 years.
Lee
Lee Bell - 24 Dec 2004 03:52 GMT > >I don't watch Queer Eye for the Straight >>Guy because: >>1. I have no desire to emulate somebody who is gay. >>2. I don't think it's right that they can call themselves Queer and I >>can't.
> Awww come on Lee > those "dudes" really know how to fix up a house! > Even an "old coot" like you can learn new things :) > make it your new years resolution to watch at least a few episodes ! > take care I know hairdressers that can really do wonders with a pair of scissors too, but I still don't want to emulate them.
Lee
JOF - 24 Dec 2004 03:54 GMT > I'm never white, well, my butt is, but I don't make a habit of >showing it around much . . . OK, so I do show it sometimes. So why does it have to be after we've just had lunch, and in a parking lot to boot?
JF
Lee Bell - 24 Dec 2004 09:56 GMT >> I'm never white, well, my butt is, but I don't make a habit of >>showing it around much . . . OK, so I do show it sometimes. > > So why does it have to be after we've just had lunch, and in a parking > lot to boot? When opportunity knocks . . . .
Lee
JOF - 24 Dec 2004 17:21 GMT >>> I'm never white, well, my butt is, but I don't make a habit of >>>showing it around much . . . OK, so I do show it sometimes. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Lee I didn't think it was knocking so much as clanging, but perhaps that wasn't opportunity. And it wasn't that cold out.
JF
Jerome's Sock Puppet - 25 Dec 2004 07:07 GMT > "Lisa Z. Morgan" wrote > >>>I am curious about people who defy scuba stereostypes. If the press >>>(scuba magazines, Scuba Radio, etc., are to be believed, all scuba >>>divers are white, (possibly Polynesian,) beautiful, sexy, youngh, >>>herterosexual and homophobic.
> We don't defy stereotypes, we simply don't fit them. Speak for yourself, Lee. I am white, possibly polynesian, beautiful, sexy, forever young, and heterosexual.
I thought everyone here was.
???`??k?z????`? - 25 Dec 2004 12:14 GMT stereotypes? don't ya just love it!
I too am white, beautiful, sexy, in love, forever young, heterosexual, poor, male and over 40.
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Dennis \(Icarus\) - 26 Dec 2004 20:45 GMT > > "Lisa Z. Morgan" wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I thought everyone here was. No, only the Strokes.
Dennis
Popeye NCAT3 - 24 Dec 2004 01:20 GMT >From: "Lisa Z. Morgan" lisamorgan@lairhaven.com >Date: 12/23/2004 7:29 PM Eastern Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Lisa Is this a serious question, or are you on fuckin crack?
Some cranky bull dyke statement of intent?
You must be new here, with a question like that.
Here: Divide everybody up into "Young", "Beautiful", "Hetro" and "Homophobic"
http://www.tekdivegirl.com/popeyepics/
http://www.huntzinger.com/dive/strokes/
http://www.huntzinger.com/~francis/
As a Rec.scuban, I'm Red State, Right Wing, Red Neck 300lb Crewcut Ex-Marine, with an American Flag tattoo.
I had the pleasure of voting for Reagan twice and Bush three times.
I'm also pro-choice, with a bi ex-girlfriend and a gay communist mother.
And I don't care if your bedwench blows orangutans and is bright fuckin pink.
Do I have to turn in my gear now?
Popeye The only working atomic bomb platforms the Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail.
Rudy Benner - 24 Dec 2004 01:34 GMT > >From: "Lisa Z. Morgan" lisamorgan@lairhaven.com >>Date: 12/23/2004 7:29 PM Eastern Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > The only working atomic bomb platforms the > Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail. BING !! He gets the prize. I bet he never felt the hook set.
Nice shot Lisa !!
A.K.A. - MORK - 24 Dec 2004 01:48 GMT I think you meant to goto
rec.softball
us Young", "Beautiful", "Hetro" and
> "Homophobic" people don't allow your type in here :) Alan Street - 24 Dec 2004 01:53 GMT > As a Rec.scuban, I'm Red State, Right Wing, Red Neck 300lb Crewcut > Ex-Marine, with an American Flag tattoo. > > I had the pleasure of voting for Reagan twice and Bush three times. Hmmm, that means you either voted for Dukakis, Clinton or Perot ;-)
Popeye NCAT3 - 24 Dec 2004 13:05 GMT >From: Alan Street agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com >Date: 12/23/2004 8:53 PM Eastern Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Hmmm, that means you either voted for Dukakis, Clinton or Perot ;-) Perot.
I'm from Massachusetts, think I'd vote for Dukakis?
Popeye The only working atomic bomb platforms the Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail.
Lisa Z. Morgan - 24 Dec 2004 04:00 GMT I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so much flame.
I am not a shrink, I am not an activist, I am just adiver who doesn't fit the stereotypes who is trying to find out if she can fit into the diving comunity after so many years away from it. If I offended you, I am sorry. If yuou are offended that somone like me dives, stronger language applies.
Lisa
dazed and confuzed - 24 Dec 2004 04:04 GMT > I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so > much flame. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Lisa you are mistaken. No one cares what your lifestyle is, who you sleep with, or anything else, as long as you dive.
it appears that you (if this is legit, and not a troll) have the issues Perhaps you need counseling regarding your own acceptance of your lifestyle, and the defensiveness of it. The rest of us could not care less how you live your life. more important to us is how you dive.
(and BTW, what is your position on the second amendment?)
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BllFs6 - 24 Dec 2004 04:05 GMT >If yuou are offended that somone like me dives, stronger language applies. > >Lisa Yep....
never meet a diver named "Lisa"
therefore divers named "Lisa" are some spawn of satan :)
take care!
Blll
Lisa Z. Morgan - 24 Dec 2004 04:34 GMT P.S. Sorry abou the spelling--I can spell great but I type BADLY.
Lisa
>I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got >so much flame. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Lisa ben bradlee - 24 Dec 2004 14:09 GMT > P.S. Sorry abou the spelling--I can spell great but I type BADLY. > > Lisa You'll do great at rec.scuba with complete disassociation between what you type and what you think you can do.
Grumman-581 - 24 Dec 2004 05:32 GMT > I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so > much flame. I've always got along fairly well with lesbians... I guess it's because we have a common interest -- eating pussy... <evil-grin>
As far as fitting in, you'll do just fine as long as you don't have an in-your-face attitude about your sexual orientation... Let people get to know you first and if they ask (which is unlikely), then mention it casually... The thing is, divers just don't go around asking each other what their sexual orientation might be... For the most part, we either don't care or would rather not know... We dive because we like to dive, not as a social activity for meeting a potential sexual partner...
Dan Nafe - 24 Dec 2004 12:21 GMT > > I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got > so > > much flame. [snip]
> The thing is, divers just don't go around asking each other what > their sexual orientation might be... For the most part, we either don't care > or would rather not know... We dive because we like to dive, not as a social > activity for meeting a potential sexual partner... ... yet we spend a great deal of time talking about "long hoses"
Curtis - 24 Dec 2004 19:54 GMT > ... yet we spend a great deal of time talking about "long hoses" Except sidemount divers, who believe two short hoses beats a very long hose.
Curtis
Popeye NCAT3 - 24 Dec 2004 13:16 GMT >From: "Grumman-581" grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net
>We dive because we like to dive, not as a social >activity for meeting a potential sexual partner... Huh?
Popeye The only working atomic bomb platforms the Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail.
Steve - 25 Dec 2004 02:08 GMT >>From: "Grumman-581" grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net
>>We dive because we like to dive, not as a social >>activity for meeting a potential sexual partner...
> Huh? I guess he should have explained who he meant when he said "we".
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Popeye NCAT3 - 24 Dec 2004 13:19 GMT >From: "Grumman-581" grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net >Date: 12/24/2004 12:32 AM Eastern Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I've always got along fairly well with lesbians... I guess it's because we >have a common interest -- eating pussy... <evil-grin> One of my early posts....
Popeye Sep 3 1999, 12:00 am Newsgroups: rec.scuba From: buzcutt...@aol.com.Byteme (Popeye) Date: 1999/09/03 Subject: Re: Queer Divers
>why not form your own >beer-drinking-swaggering-bang- >stick-toting-fat-straight-guy-divers. I'M IN !! :)
I don't care who ya are or want to be, who your God is or who ya voted for, or if your wife is a man!. Do what you want to do. Mind your own business about what I want to do (especially if it involves corn liquor). When you need a dive partner, regardless of who you certified with, give me a call. We'll go diving! (Then the corn liquor...)
Popeye
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Popeye The only working atomic bomb platforms the Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail.
Lisa Z. Morgan - 24 Dec 2004 16:04 GMT That's what I'm hoping will be the case. I just keep hearing jokes on Scuba Radio that made me wonder if people would have a problem if they found out. It's suck a lot to make a new group of friends and then lose them because I didn't fit in socially.
I don't identify myself by my love life. I am much more likely to identify myself as a diver, and SCA fighter, or a computer geek than as a Lesbian. I just wondered what the feelings of the community were on the matter. Since I have gotten replies that ranged from the considerate and helpful to the rude and obnoxious, I see that in fact divers are like everyone else. There are good folks and a.sholes in any group.
Thanks to everyone who responded.
Lisa
>> I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got > so [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > social > activity for meeting a potential sexual partner... Grumman-581 - 24 Dec 2004 16:22 GMT > That's what I'm hoping will be the case. I just keep hearing jokes on Scuba > Radio that made me wonder if people would have a problem if they found out. > It's suck a lot to make a new group of friends and then lose them because I > didn't fit in socially. Never even heard of "SCUBA Radio"... Sounds like some sort of newbie thing...
> I don't identify myself by my love life. I am much more likely to identify > myself as a diver, and SCA fighter, or a computer geek than as a Lesbian. Oh no, not another one of the SCA people!!! Do a rec.scuba google groups search on SCA and paintball and you'll understand how that topic was beat to death by one crossposting troll awhile back... Let's not start it again... <grin>
> just wondered what the feelings of the community were on the matter. Since I > have gotten replies that ranged from the considerate and helpful to the rude > and obnoxious, I see that in fact divers are like everyone else. There are > good folks and a.sholes in any group. Here in rec.scuba, we pride ourselves in having a higher percentage of a.sholes in our group than in the population at large...
For the most part, we are less concerned with your sexual orientation than your position on the 2nd Amendment...
Oh and BTW, top-posting is frowned upon around here...
Joe English - 24 Dec 2004 16:22 GMT > That's what I'm hoping will be the case. I just keep hearing jokes on Scuba > Radio that made me wonder if people would have a problem if they found out. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>social >>activity for meeting a potential sexual partner... Liza,
I don't give a sh.t what your sexual orientation is. If we ever meet on a dive boat, or dive location - hope we share many tanks together. I would dive with most of the divers on this group, regardless of their sexual preference, political beliefs, and how they stand on guns issues.
In any regard have a nice and joyful Holiday Season :-)
Kimber - 24 Dec 2004 16:58 GMT > I don't identify myself by my love life. I am much more likely to identify > myself as a diver, and SCA fighter, or a computer geek than as a Lesbian. I > just wondered what the feelings of the community were on the matter. Since I > have gotten replies that ranged from the considerate and helpful to the rude > and obnoxious, I see that in fact divers are like everyone else. There are > good folks and a.sholes in any group. Are you hot?
Kimber
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Lisa Z. Morgan - 24 Dec 2004 17:06 GMT Depends on who you ask and what you like. I don't think so, but others differ. Lisa
>> I don't identify myself by my love life. I am much more likely to >> identify [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Kimber Kimber - 24 Dec 2004 17:11 GMT "Lisa Z. Morgan" <lisamorgan@lairhaven.com> wrote in message news:p0Yyd.59879
> Depends on who you ask and what you like. I don't think so, but others > differ. Send pics.
Kimber
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LaBomba182 - 24 Dec 2004 20:45 GMT >Subject: Re: Scuba Stereotypes >From: "Kimber"
>Are you hot? > >Kimber Well I am, now. :-)
Capt. Bill
Kimber - 24 Dec 2004 22:24 GMT > >Subject: Re: Scuba Stereotypes > >From: "Kimber" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well I am, now. :-) (-;
Merry Christmas Capt!
Kimber
LaBomba182 - 25 Dec 2004 06:54 GMT >Subject: Re: Scuba Stereotypes >From: "Kimber"
>Merry Christmas Capt! Same to you and yours.
Capt. Bill
Lee Bell - 24 Dec 2004 23:36 GMT > That's what I'm hoping will be the case. I just keep hearing jokes on > Scuba Radio that made me wonder if people would have a problem if they > found out. It's suck a lot to make a new group of friends and then lose > them because I didn't fit in socially. You'll pardon the language, or not, but f.ck em if they can't get along. Life is way to short to worry about a bunch of biggoted a.sholes.
> I don't identify myself by my love life. You did here.
Stick around. If you learn to separate the junk from what is important, you'll find a lot better information about diving here than you ever will on Scuba Radio. Trust me.
> Since I have gotten replies that ranged from the considerate and helpful > to the rude and obnoxious, I see that in fact divers are like everyone > else. There are good folks and a.sholes in any group. True, but you haven't been around long enough to know who is which. First impressions don't work particularly well here.
Lee
Lisa Z. Morgan - 25 Dec 2004 00:35 GMT Good advice all around Lee. Thanks.
Lisa
>> That's what I'm hoping will be the case. I just keep hearing jokes on >> Scuba Radio that made me wonder if people would have a problem if they [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Lee Dillon Pyron - 25 Dec 2004 03:07 GMT >> That's what I'm hoping will be the case. I just keep hearing jokes on >> Scuba Radio that made me wonder if people would have a problem if they [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >you'll find a lot better information about diving here than you ever will on >Scuba Radio. Trust me. Never listened to Scuba Radio. I figure that anyone who wants to talk about scuba can do it between dives. Although that's when we normally talk about guns.
>> Since I have gotten replies that ranged from the considerate and helpful >> to the rude and obnoxious, I see that in fact divers are like everyone >> else. There are good folks and a.sholes in any group. > >True, but you haven't been around long enough to know who is which. First >impressions don't work particularly well here. Face it Lee, we're all a.sholes at some point or another.
>Lee
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Scott - 25 Dec 2004 04:27 GMT > Never listened to Scuba Radio. I figure that anyone who wants to talk > about scuba can do it between dives. Although that's when we normally > talk about guns. My hero.
Steve - 25 Dec 2004 02:20 GMT >I just keep hearing jokes on Scuba Radio that made me wonder if > people would have a problem if they found out. I've never heard scuba radio, but if it's anything like other radio shows they're probably far more concerned with ratings than accuracy.
> It's suck a lot to make a new group of friends and then lose them because I > didn't fit in socially. Isn't there some saying about kissing a lot of frogs to find a princess? Finding real friends can be like that, too. Why would you want to spend time with people who aren't willing to accept you for who you are?
> There are good folks and a.sholes in any group. Especially this group, but you'd probably still have fun diving with most.
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Dennis \(Icarus\) - 26 Dec 2004 03:25 GMT > That's what I'm hoping will be the case. I just keep hearing jokes on Scuba > Radio that made me wonder if people would have a problem if they found out. Never listened to scuba radio. People are people. you'll have no more or lesss of a problem with scuba divers, than with any other activity.
> It's suck a lot to make a new group of friends and then lose them because I > didn't fit in socially. And that could happen regardless of ones orientation.
> I don't identify myself by my love life. I am much more likely to identify > myself as a diver, and SCA fighter, or a computer geek than as a Lesbian. I > just wondered what the feelings of the community were on the matter. Since I > have gotten replies that ranged from the considerate and helpful to the rude > and obnoxious, I see that in fact divers are like everyone else. There are > good folks and a.sholes in any group. Pretty much, yeah.
Oh yeah, if you want to fit in, stop top-posting :-)
Dennis
> Thanks to everyone who responded. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > social > > activity for meeting a potential sexual partner... A.K.A. - MORK - 26 Dec 2004 04:48 GMT http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=gay+scuba+cruise
do a google search for Gay scuba cruise.
and you will find more places and things to do than you will have time or money to do in 1 life time.. and you will be the stereo type. on the trip.. and us Straight people would be the out siders
JOF - 26 Dec 2004 13:52 GMT >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=gay+scuba+cruise > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >to do in 1 life time.. and you will be the stereo type. on the trip.. and us >Straight people would be the out siders How many hetero passengers does it take to make a gay cruise straight?
JF
Lisa Z. Morgan - 26 Dec 2004 17:09 GMT > How many hetero passengers does it take to make a gay cruise straight? As many as it takes gays to make a straight cruise gay...2.
:-) Lisa
Lisa Z. Morgan - 26 Dec 2004 17:08 GMT I have heard two terms here I don't understand. What is "trolling" and what is "top posting"? I don't do newsgroups much, so I am unfamiliar with the protocols.
Lisa
>> That's what I'm hoping will be the case. I just keep hearing jokes on > Scuba [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >> > social >> > activity for meeting a potential sexual partner... FreeFloat - 26 Dec 2004 17:24 GMT >I have heard two terms here I don't understand. What is "trolling" and what >is "top posting"? I don't do newsgroups much, so I am unfamiliar with the >protocols. > > Lisa Top posting is writing your reply above the items you're replying to - like you've been doing. It's generally frowned upon ESPECIALLY in this newsgroup, as it makes following a conversation difficult when you have to scroll up and down to read what was posted and the corresponding replies. When replying to a newsgroup, it's probably best to observe the manner in which other posts are made so that you don't cross any unwritten lines of etiquette specific to that group. Someone gave you a good link earlier which you should read.
Trolling is tossing out an inflammatory opinion or statement just to start a war (in the same way that a fisherman drops bait in the water to see what will bite). Although it's also frowned upon, it tends to happen anyway. If the same poster tends to troll quite often, a lot of other users will add him/her to their "killfile" or ignore lists, so that they no longer see any posts that poster makes.
Lisa Z. Morgan - 26 Dec 2004 18:38 GMT Thank you. I will be more careful. For the record, I was not trolling, I was really looking for opinions because I was interested. I may be moving to a new area where people don't know me and diving with strangers, and I wanted to, if you pardon the pun, test the waters.
Lisa
>>I have heard two terms here I don't understand. What is "trolling" and >>what is "top posting"? I don't do newsgroups much, so I am unfamiliar with [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > users will add him/her to their "killfile" or ignore lists, so that they > no longer see any posts that poster makes. dazed and confuzed - 26 Dec 2004 18:49 GMT > Thank you. I will be more careful. For the record, I was not trolling, I was > really looking for opinions because I was interested. I may be moving to a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>users will add him/her to their "killfile" or ignore lists, so that they >>no longer see any posts that poster makes. But you are still top posting.
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Joe English - 26 Dec 2004 19:02 GMT > Thank you. I will be more careful. For the record, I was not trolling, I was > really looking for opinions because I was interested. I may be moving to a > new area where people don't know me and diving with strangers, and I wanted > to, if you pardon the pun, test the waters. > > Lisa now to stop top-posting
Kimber - 26 Dec 2004 19:39 GMT > Thank you. I will be more careful. For the record, I was not trolling, I was > really looking for opinions because I was interested. I may be moving to a > new area where people don't know me and diving with strangers, and I wanted > to, if you pardon the pun, test the waters. > > Lisa Hey Lisa -- now that you understand trolling --- try writing your replies *under* what you are replying to.. Then people will leave you alone about the top-posting thing too!!
Kimber --- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?
Grumman-581 - 26 Dec 2004 19:50 GMT > Hey Lisa -- now that you understand trolling --- try writing your replies > *under* what you are replying to.. Then people will leave you alone about > the top-posting thing too!! Yeah, once we get her to understand not to top-post, we can start working on getting her to judiciously snip the irrevelant parts of the previous message in her reply... Nawh, we can't even get the rec.scuba regulars to do that, so expecting a newbie to do it is just wishful thinking...
Kimber - 26 Dec 2004 20:15 GMT "Grumman-581" <grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net> wrote in message news:%PEzd.7
> Yeah, once we get her to understand not to top-post, we can start working on > getting her to judiciously snip the irrevelant parts of the previous message > in her reply... Nawh, we can't even get the rec.scuba regulars to do that, > so expecting a newbie to do it is just wishful thinking.. Baby steps!!! (-;
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Lisa Z. Morgan - 26 Dec 2004 21:21 GMT I hit "reply group" on the innermost most of the thread as it is indented in my inbox. How else should I be doing it? Maybe I am just replying too fast?
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Lisa Z. Morgan - 26 Dec 2004 21:23 GMT > "Grumman-581" <grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net> wrote in message > news:%PEzd.7 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Kimber Ok, Now I get it! At work, we always put the latest stuff first, "top-posting" as you call it. We work backward through a thread. I thought you were talking about the thread hierarchy on the newsgroup reader.
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Rudy Benner - 26 Dec 2004 21:24 GMT Don't worry, just do it backwards from how its done elsewhere.
>> "Grumman-581" <grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net> wrote in message >> news:%PEzd.7 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Lisa Dillon Pyron - 27 Dec 2004 04:34 GMT >> "Grumman-581" <grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net> wrote in message >> news:%PEzd.7 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Lisa Around here, small words are knowns as rocks and patience comes at the end of a sharp stick. :-)
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Alan Street - 26 Dec 2004 19:28 GMT > >I have heard two terms here I don't understand. What is "trolling" and what > >is "top posting"? I don't do newsgroups much, so I am unfamiliar with the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > etiquette specific to that group. Someone gave you a good link earlier > which you should read. Which she apparently didn't, so I'll post it again.
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
Dillon Pyron - 27 Dec 2004 02:15 GMT >>I have heard two terms here I don't understand. What is "trolling" and what >>is "top posting"? I don't do newsgroups much, so I am unfamiliar with the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >etiquette specific to that group. Someone gave you a good link earlier >which you should read. With context sensitive posting, everyone can follow the thread.
>Trolling is tossing out an inflammatory opinion or statement just to start a >war (in the same way that a fisherman drops bait in the water to see what >will bite). Although it's also frowned upon, it tends to happen anyway. If >the same poster tends to troll quite often, a lot of other users will add >him/her to their "killfile" or ignore lists, so that they no longer see any >posts that poster makes. Although there was a good troll recipe posted here.
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Lee Bell - 27 Dec 2004 04:37 GMT This is top posting.
Trolling is posting simply for the purpose of getting responses, often characterized by a claim known to be the subject of strong and heated opinions.
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>>>I have heard two terms here I don't understand. What is "trolling" and >>>what [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Although there was a good troll recipe posted here. Scott - 27 Dec 2004 05:35 GMT > This is top posting. > > Trolling is posting simply for the purpose of getting responses, often > characterized by a claim known to be the subject of strong and heated > opinions. Tell me again about spare air vs pony bottle, and inflator mounted back-up regs.
Joe English - 26 Dec 2004 18:57 GMT > I have heard two terms here I don't understand. What is "trolling" and what > is "top posting"? I don't do newsgroups much, so I am unfamiliar with the > protocols. > > Lisa Top posting is adding your reply at the top instead of going to the bottom and deleting unnecessary gibberish
Trolling is a lot of things, basically posting an outlandish remark and watch and see how many people get caught answering
Rod - 26 Dec 2004 22:54 GMT Lisa tell em to go f.ck themselves, all news group browsers are set up to type your response at the top. These long hose cretens are so used to making things difficut, that they think it is a rule.
>> I have heard two terms here I don't understand. What is "trolling" and what >> is "top posting"? I don't do newsgroups much, so I am unfamiliar with the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Trolling is a lot of things, basically posting an outlandish remark and >watch and see how many people get caught answering John Mason Jr - 27 Dec 2004 00:00 GMT > Lisa tell em to go f.ck themselves, all news group browsers are set > up to type your response at the top. These long hose cretens are so > used to making things difficut, that they think it is a rule. No they are not Thunderbird 0.9 on Windows XP places cursor at the bottom.
Even if all news browsers did this the concept of threading the reply and snipping is that it allows for easier understanding of the thread if searching via an archive, and makes it clear as to what is being responded too.
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Dillon Pyron - 27 Dec 2004 04:35 GMT >Lisa tell em to go f.ck themselves, all news group browsers are set >up to type your response at the top. These long hose cretens are so >used to making things difficut, that they think it is a rule. I've been using Usenet since 1984. Top posting was frowned on then, still is.
>>> I have heard two terms here I don't understand. What is "trolling" and what >>> is "top posting"? I don't do newsgroups much, so I am unfamiliar with the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>Trolling is a lot of things, basically posting an outlandish remark and >>watch and see how many people get caught answering
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>Lisa tell em to go f.ck themselves, all news group browsers are set >up to type your response at the top. These long hose cretens are so >used to making things difficut, that they think it is a rule. > >>Top posting is adding your reply at the top instead of going to the >>bottom and deleting unnecessary gibberish Steve - 30 Dec 2004 07:13 GMT > FJ > > .sniterc lleps ot woh wonk su fo tsom hguohtla ,sdrawkca-ssab gniklat > fo tpecnoc eht htiw elggurts ew ,(cis) "sneterc" gnieb dnA I thought about answering much like you did, but I figured that Rod was probably just trolling. Of course it could also be that he's using a NG client that won't let him move the cursor to where he wants to put his text, and thought that where the cursor starts out is a serious limitation.
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Greg Mossman - 06 Jan 2005 19:55 GMT > Of course it could also be that he's using a NG client that won't let him > move the cursor to where he wants to put his text, and thought that where > the cursor starts out is a serious limitation. Extra keystrokes are failure points for poor typists.
Dennis \(Icarus\) - 26 Dec 2004 03:22 GMT > > I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got > so > > much flame. <snip>
>We dive because we like to dive, not as a social > activity for meeting a potential sexual partner... Though if that were to happen, its a nice benefit. :-)
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Grumman-581 - 26 Dec 2004 06:23 GMT "Dennis (Icarus)" wrote ...
> Though if that were to happen, its a nice benefit. :-) Since my last dive was with Curtis, Lee, and Limey, I'm rather glad it didn't... <snicker
Dennis \(Icarus\) - 26 Dec 2004 11:07 GMT > "Dennis (Icarus)" wrote ... > > Though if that were to happen, its a nice benefit. :-) > > Since my last dive was with Curtis, Lee, and Limey, I'm rather glad it > didn't... <snicker> Uhm...yeah.
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Curtis - 26 Dec 2004 14:04 GMT > Since my last dive was with Curtis, Lee, and Limey, I'm rather glad it > didn't... <snicker> LOL
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Scott - 26 Dec 2004 18:08 GMT > "Dennis (Icarus)" wrote ... > > Though if that were to happen, its a nice benefit. :-) > > Since my last dive was with Curtis, Lee, and Limey, I'm rather glad it > didn't... <snicker> Rectum?
Hell, it killed 'em...
Ron White - 24 Dec 2004 10:45 GMT >From: "Lisa Z. Morgan" lisamorgan@lairhaven.com >Date: 12/23/2004 10:00 PM Central Standard Time
>I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so >much flame. Welcome to rec.scuba. You haven't seen the pilot light to the flames that can happen here. A thick skin is much more important than sexual orientation. The guys and girls, for the most part, give it to you straight.
>I am not a shrink, I am not an activist, I am just adiver who doesn't fit >the stereotypes who is trying to find out if she can fit into the diving >comunity after so many years away from it. If I offended you, I am sorry. Sure you can fit in. Start up a lively discussion about whatever and you will blend right in. Don't let your feelings get in the way of your time here, because they can surely get hurt. Jump right in and enjoy the water.
>If yuou are offended that somone like me dives, stronger language applies. > >Lisa So, tell us about your latest adventure. Above or below water.
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Popeye NCAT3 - 24 Dec 2004 12:58 GMT >From: "Lisa Z. Morgan" lisamorgan@lairhaven.com >Date: 12/23/2004 11:00 PM Eastern Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >comunity after so many years away from it. If I offended you, I am sorry. >If yuo are offended that somone like me dives, stronger language applies. Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooosssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're the only one here with a stereotype obsession.
You need to spend some serious cogitation on just who is stereotyping whom.
I find it odd that you -create- this problem, and then busy yourself being offended by it.
You must be a Democrat.
"I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so much flame. I am not a shrink, I am not an activist, I am just a diver who doesn't fit the stereotypes who is trying to find out if she can fit into the diving community after so many years away from it."
You haven't as yet been flamed that I can see, sweet pea (except for the Democrat thing).
You were answered honestly and directly, and the falsehoods of your assumptions were highlighted, and that makes you uncomfortable.
The only thing you should have found revealing is that the "stereotype" you imply is actually a manifestation of your paranoia.
"If I offended you, I am sorry."
You're not capable of offending me.
Or any of the regulars here.
Last time I was stabbed 7 times by a woman, I started dating her.
Not only are you not on the scale of offending me, the scale's not even in your reach.
"If you are offended that some one like me dives, stronger language applies."
No one seems to care, except you.
Many of the guys, and one or two of the girls, upon finding out you and your pal were Bi, would just ask for your phone number.
Take a pill.
So much for Rudy Brenner's troll.
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Steve - 25 Dec 2004 02:26 GMT > The only thing you should have found revealing is that the "stereotype" you > imply is actually a manifestation of your paranoia. If you think somebody is paranoid because they're gay and think certain elements of society might disapprove, you must not be following the news.
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Popeye NCAT3 - 25 Dec 2004 03:23 GMT >From: Steve SPAMTRAPglawackus@hvc.rr.com >Date: 12/24/2004 9:26 PM Eastern Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >elements of >society might disapprove, you must not be following the news. But that's not what was said.
You must be a Democrat, too.
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TonyP - 25 Dec 2004 18:33 GMT >> The only thing you should have found revealing is that the >> "stereotype" you >> imply is actually a manifestation of your paranoia.
> If you think somebody is paranoid because they're gay and think certain > elements of society might disapprove, you must not be following the news. I guess you can say the same thing about Christians, blacks, latinos, inner city dwellers, dems/libs, etc...
LaBomba182 - 24 Dec 2004 17:36 GMT >Subject: Re: Scuba Stereotypes >From: "Lisa Z. Morgan"
>I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so >much flame. Well at least your happy now.
>I am not a shrink, I am not an activist, I am just adiver who doesn't fit >the stereotypes But you obviously bought into the so called stereotypes.
>who is trying to find out if she can fit into the diving >comunity after so many years away from it. Get real. And develop some self esteem.
> If I offended you, Get real.
>I am sorry. >If yuou are offended that somone like me dives, Why do you think we would care if you dive or not?
>stronger language applies. Use it.
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JOF - 24 Dec 2004 17:45 GMT >I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so >much flame. Did that seem like flaming to you? The first thing you need to know is that one must be possessed of very thick skin to venture into the wilds of rec.scuba, and have a very open mind about things that are deemed sensitive issues in the real world. That stuff is just rec.scuba fun. Go with it.
>I am not a shrink, I am not an activist, I am just adiver who doesn't fit >the stereotypes who is trying to find out if she can fit into the diving >comunity after so many years away from it. If I offended you, I am sorry. >If yuou are offended that somone like me dives, stronger language applies. > >Lisa Naturally an opening like yours ("If the press (scuba magazines, Scuba Radio, etc., are to be believed, all scuba divers are white, (possibly Polynesian,) beautiful, sexy, youngh, herterosexual and homophobic.") is gonna draw some derision. I'm living proof that you're misinformed in that I'm neither beautiful, sexy, young, nor homophobic and I'm a diver, not great at it, but a diver nonetheless.
There's no need to be defensive. Heaven knows, in this conglomeration of personalities one can probably find every pretension and peculiarity known to man and many here seem to relish their individuality to the point of beating each other over the head with it. And amidst all these quirks and foibles are some really nice folks who just do their best to act otherwise.
Respectfully JF
Scott - 24 Dec 2004 18:04 GMT > There's no need to be defensive. Heaven knows, in this conglomeration > of personalities one can probably find every pretension and > peculiarity known to man and many here seem to relish their > individuality to the point of beating each other over the head with > it. And amidst all these quirks and foibles are some really nice folks > who just do their best to act otherwise. Oh shut up.
We are trying to have fun with the FNG, and you are runining everything.
Did you get the red carpet when you strolled through the door?
She hasn't even killfiled Jammer yet.
JOF - 24 Dec 2004 19:50 GMT >> There's no need to be defensive. Heaven knows, in this conglomeration >> of personalities one can probably find every pretension and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >She hasn't even killfiled Jammer yet. He's not trying. He's in his "be respectful to women" mode I suppose.
JF
Scott - 24 Dec 2004 20:08 GMT > He's not trying. He's in his "be respectful to women" mode I suppose. Oh, now that's funny.
TonyP - 25 Dec 2004 01:10 GMT > I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so > much flame. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > comunity after so many years away from it. If I offended you, I am sorry. > If yuou are offended that somone like me dives, stronger language applies. Why would your sexual preference ever have to be an issue? Why would you need to mention it? If you want to talk about diving, fine. Even if you wanted to join all the other "off topic" stuff in this group, fine. But what does your sexual choice have to do with diving.
Dillon Pyron - 25 Dec 2004 03:14 GMT >I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so >much flame. Nah, you didn't get flamed. You'll know when you've been flamed. It's just that a first post like that comes off as rather trollish. Perhaps if you first posted about your latest dive, people would accept you more.
>I am not a shrink, I am not an activist, I am just adiver who doesn't fit >the stereotypes who is trying to find out if she can fit into the diving >comunity after so many years away from it. If I offended you, I am sorry. >If yuou are offended that somone like me dives, stronger language applies. What's a stereotype? I see plenty of ads with people who not only don't look like me, but I've NEVER looked like them. But most of those models don't dive. I do.
Me? I'm a white, middle aged married (25 years in June, yesterday started our celebration, 25 years since I proposed) male. I live in a red state (Texas) but vote my mind and concious. I'm pro gun, pro choice, pro personal responsibilities.
If you want to start a real flame war, tell us why you think a 9mm is the ultimate gun.
>Lisa
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Chris Guynn - 28 Dec 2004 22:55 GMT <snip>
> If you want to start a real flame war, tell us why you think a 9mm is > the ultimate gun. hehe... cuz it's the only one I've got (so far). :)
Dillon Pyron - 01 Jan 2005 20:26 GMT ><snip> > >> If you want to start a real flame war, tell us why you think a 9mm is >> the ultimate gun. > >hehe... cuz it's the only one I've got (so far). :) Better a 9mm than an empty hand.
Gonna shoot a 9, a .40, a 10 and a .45 into some gelatin in a few weeks. Depending on how many we molds we pour, we have a bunch of different rounds to try.
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Grumman-581 - 02 Jan 2005 19:06 GMT >Gonna shoot a 9, a .40, a 10 and a .45 into some > gelatin in a few weeks. With or without whipped cream topping? <snciker>
12-gauge beats them all, but it's hell on your wrist in a pistol format...
winkle - 03 Jan 2005 09:59 GMT 12 gauge + solid slugs + laser sight +small furry animal = fun
Grumman-581 - 03 Jan 2005 09:59 GMT > 12 gauge + solid slugs + laser sight +small furry animal = fun 12-gauge + 000-buck + 'possum at 15 ft = messy
Chris Guynn - 03 Jan 2005 17:39 GMT > > 12 gauge + solid slugs + laser sight +small furry animal = fun > > 12-gauge + 000-buck + 'possum at 15 ft = messy hehe... 10 gauge + any applicable shell + rabbit at 3 feet = extra messy
Matthias Voss - 25 Dec 2004 20:40 GMT > I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so > much flame. > > I am not a shrink, I am not an activist, I am just adiver who doesn't fit > the stereotypes who is trying to find out if she can fit into the diving > comunity after so many years away from it. You mispelled stereodykes;-)
Matthias
Lisa Z. Morgan - 26 Dec 2004 00:02 GMT Stereo Dykes? Sounds like a good name for a porn flick!
Lisa
>> I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got >> so much flame. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Matthias Dennis \(Icarus\) - 26 Dec 2004 03:20 GMT > I find it amazing and a little revealing that my honest, serious post got so > much flame. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > comunity after so many years away from it. If I offended you, I am sorry. > If yuou are offended that somone like me dives, stronger language applies. It was kind of difficult to tell if you were being serious, or merely trolling.
While there are stereotypes, you'll find that most divers would not fit into them. Just go diving a few times & check out the folks on the local dive boat. :-)
Dennis
> Lisa Curtis - 24 Dec 2004 01:53 GMT > Since I am a bixseual non-babe diving with a black bixsexual friend, I > would like to hear from others who are not the stereo-typical "red-state" > divers. Anyone out there? http://www.scubaforum.org/cgi-scuba/akcs-www
Have a lively discussion.
Curtis
Ang - 24 Dec 2004 02:06 GMT Go to the Keys, there's a bunch down there!!
> > Since I am a bixseual non-babe diving with a black bixsexual friend, I > > would like to hear from others who are not the stereo-typical "red-state" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Curtis Popeye NCAT3 - 24 Dec 2004 13:42 GMT >From: "Curtis" cavey_curtis@yahoo.com
>http://www.scubaforum.org/cgi-scuba/akcs-www > >Have a lively discussion. > >Curtis ????????????????????????????????????????????????
Ooops.
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Popeye The only working atomic bomb platforms the Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail.
Lisa Z. Morgan - 24 Dec 2004 16:27 GMT Thanks for the link Curtis. Interesting reading!
Lisa
> http://www.scubaforum.org/cgi-scuba/akcs-www > > Have a lively discussion. > > Curtis Curtis - 24 Dec 2004 19:51 GMT > Thanks for the link Curti |
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