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Scubadiving in Egypt
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Ronald - 14 Dec 2004 17:23 GMT Hello, I very good place for shore diving in Egypt is Sharm el Naga. See the website at http://www.sharmelnaga.com
Happy diving
Adam Helberg - 15 Dec 2004 00:57 GMT > Hello, > I very good place for shore diving in Egypt is Sharm el Naga. > See the website at http://www.sharmelnaga.com > > Happy diving Just make sure you have your life insurance paid up.
Adam
Scott - 15 Dec 2004 01:23 GMT > > Hello, > > I very good place for shore diving in Egypt is Sharm el Naga. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Just make sure you have your life insurance paid up. Or just stay home and cower like you do.
Or, you could grow a set of balls, and support the removal of the "people" who make it dangerous to travel to Egypt to dive, and since you seem to be pretty dense, that means the Islamic fascists.
Adam Helberg - 15 Dec 2004 05:07 GMT >> > Hello, >> > I very good place for shore diving in Egypt is Sharm el Naga. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > who make it dangerous to travel to Egypt to dive, and since you seem to be > pretty dense, that means the Islamic fascists. It's a place where there is good probability of being hit by Islamic terror, and the locals loot the victims.
Adam
Scott - 15 Dec 2004 06:07 GMT > It's a place where there is good probability of being hit by Islamic terror, and the > locals loot the victims. Cite.
Adam Helberg - 15 Dec 2004 07:01 GMT >> It's a place where there is good probability of being hit by Islamic > terror, and the >> locals loot the victims. > > Cite. After the triple bomb attack in the Sinai:
Israeli paramedics operating in Taba reported that the bodies of Israelis were stripped of their valuables and wallets were stolen, complicating identification.
from http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=Article%5El4226&enSearchQueryI D=34&enPage=ArticlePage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enVersion=0&enZone=Dipl omacy&
The one genuinely despicable thing that did happen in Sinai after the bombings - the looting of corpses and hotel rooms - was blamed on Egypt as a whole, not on a handful of Egyptian scavengers as it should have been. from http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1097 727855004&p=1006953079865
Egyptians Looting Dead Bodies Sunday, October 10, 2004 / 25 Tishrei 5765
(IsraelNN.com) Israeli correspondents at the Taba Hilton, the scene of the latest anti-Israel Islamic terror attack, report that the Egyptians are looting the valuables from the dead bodies.
In one case, an empty wallet was found next to the body of a victim, with all the cash removed. In another case, a wrist watch documented as still on the wrist of a victim had been removed when the forensic team returned for another sweep of the area.
Persons operating on the scene explain that in addition to the contemptible actions, the lack of respect for the dead, the Egyptians are compromising the integrity of the attack scene as forensic experts and investigators work to piece together the details of the attack.
Scott - 17 Dec 2004 04:04 GMT Once, ever.
Safer the London.
HES van Schoonhoven - 20 Dec 2004 00:16 GMT Oh, sh.t!!!! Sheeeee-it! Now I'm writing about scuba. God forbid. In this forum, of all places. Alas nothing here about religion, guns, Reps and Dems, or the usual stuff. Sorry.
Still with me? Here goes.
Never mind the brave ones of Taba Hilton and/or the smugglers of Gaza, but thankfully diving in Egypt isn't restricted to the Gulf of Aqaba-aka-Gulf of Sina?. Apart from a week in Aqaba I have never been that far up North, so I will refrain from comment.
But ...
I found diving around Sharm el Sheik exciting and then I must confess that I haven't even been any to the famous wreck sites.
Hurghada has the reputation of being trampled by hordes of divers. The small fisherman's village of 15 years ago now sprawls for miles and miles along the coast, with new hotels going up, where ever you look. Over 500 boats are supposed to operate from this town alone, which means over 7.000 divers, resulting in ... er .. say over 15.000 dives every day. But still, while it is not my favourite place by a long, long shot, the harsh realities of a tight budget placed me there a few times and I found out that there are still very good dives to be made. The murenes, barracuda's, green turtles, napoleon wrasses and even dolphins I've seen there, very close up, together with the rich variety of marine life, just defy desciption.
El Gouna, a bit to the North of Hurgada is a new development, stamped from the barren grounds for tourism only. It lacks the crowds of Hurghada and the diving is said to be easier. Less exciting. Tamer, if you like.
Safaga to the south of Hurghada is supposed to be much better, but I haven't been in the water over there, so what can I tell you? It is less of a hotspot, there are less boats on the horizon and logically the pressure on the environment is less, too.
Or so they say.
Same goes for El Qesir, still further south, where the swiss M?venpick hotel has a very good reputation among divers.
For me the real action starts as far south as Marsa Alam. Nowadays you're spared the long, hot trip by mini bus; since a few years the place has its own airport.
That's a boon and a curse. It's much easier and much more relaxed to get there then in the old days, but it attracts much more tourists. So better be quick about it. Don't wait too long or you might find yourself in a whole new Hurghada.
Diving Egypts southern coasts is as good as it gets. But the best way to explore them are the live aboards', of course. Take one halfway to Saudi and enjoy the wild waters of the Brother islands. Enjoy excellent diving. Or take a boat, bound for even deeper south, up to the borders of Sudan. Excellent again. All pristine reefs, all but virtually untouched by tourism.
But again, this is changing by the year. Surfacing one morning at 7.30 I was amazed to find six more boats had joined ours during our early morning dive at Elphinstone reef. And more were coming up during breakfast. Off course, us being first had a fleeting change seeing the hammerheads, while the others did not.
O.K. So what more is good about diving in Egypt? For one thing, the Red Sea definitely is one of the very most interesting eco systems in the world and at places it is littered with divable wrecks. WWII vintage and newer. More to that, it is quite affordable and quite close, at least for us, Europeans. (Damn!)
As for safety. Behaving as expected from a respectful visitor, I've never felt uncomfortable or less then safe in any of these places. Least of all at a live aboard. (Never compared this to London, though, Scott. Didn't feel threatened there, eihter.)
The one mayor risk is the lack of potable water. Only bottled water can be trusted. Or maybe freshly boiled water (as in: you've personally watched it boiling for some time). Every other thing has to be avoided, including rinsed fruits of salads and even ice. But hey, that can't be new for anyone who gets around?
If you can live with that, diving in Egypt can be very rewarding, indeed.
 Signature HES van Schoonhoven Life is a learning experience
> Once, ever. > > Safer the London. Fishbre396 - 16 Dec 2004 02:28 GMT > very good place for shore diving in Egypt is Sharm el Naga. If you avoid terrorists! <g
Animal doc - 17 Dec 2004 03:53 GMT Hi Ronald; I lived in Sinai for a little over a year, and the diving there is all tremendous. Personally, I recommend Taba; there is sea life there that one sees nowhere else in the Gulf of Aqaba, and the brave dive-center folks at the Hilton are back at it, and I can't say enough good about them or their operation. Lovely place, great folks.
I'd like to point out, to some others, that the recent bombings in Egypt were the first terrorist attacks in the Sinai for 23 years. That's better than the majority of countries in the northern hemisphere. For myself, I feel safer in Sinai than I do in my own country.
> Hello, > I very good place for shore diving in Egypt is Sharm el Naga. > See the website at http://www.sharmelnaga.com > > Happy diving Adam Helberg - 18 Dec 2004 04:16 GMT > Hi Ronald; I lived in Sinai for a little over a year, and the diving > there is all tremendous. Personally, I recommend Taba; there is sea [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > hemisphere. For myself, I feel safer in Sinai than I do in my own > country. There are good reasons that Sinai is at high risk for being hit again.
1. There are Al Qaida cells operating in Egypt as well as other Islamic extremist groups opposed to the Mubarek government as well as to the West.
2. There is a wide enough base of support for the Islamic groups in Egypt as evidence by reports of celebrations in Cairo for the recent triple Sinai attack.
3. The Sinai is a remote region the type favored by Al Qaida. What's more it's a demilitrized area as a result of the Israel-Egypt peace treaty with limitations of government military presence--again a perfect area for terror operatives.
It may be a lovely place but it's only recreation we're talking about and you have to ask is it worth the risk.
Adam
Popeye NCAT3 - 18 Dec 2004 11:46 GMT >From: "Adam Helberg
>>"Animal doc" <jessie_mccoy@msn.com>
>>For myself, I feel safer in Sinai than I do in my own country.
>It may be a lovely place but it's only recreation we're talking about and you >have to ask is it worth the risk. ?
Popeye The only working atomic bomb platforms the Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail.
Adam Helberg - 18 Dec 2004 04:22 GMT > Hi Ronald; I lived in Sinai for a little over a year, and the diving > there is all tremendous. Personally, I recommend Taba; there is sea [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Happy diving I should add that the Sinai is a knows regular route for smuggling of terror arms and drugs into the Gaza through tunnels; so you can be sure there is constant presence in this region of dangerous groups. It's only a small step to divert some of this traffic into the tourist areas to mount a terror attack.
Adam
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