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Scuba Forum / General / December 2004Halcyon strikes again
As most of you already know, Barry Miller recently split the sheets with Halcyon, and started his own thing: http://www.salvodiving.com/home was recently arrested, 10 days later, for a number of charges, including theft, and is in the Alachua County Jail now. Charges were brought by the good people at Halcyon. A thread on the decostop got shut down, but not before Landon and a couple of the other usual got in their cheap shots. This is a pattern with these jackals. Everyone who knows Barry says this is simply preposterous, as well as par for the course with the accusers. I know of at least three other incidents that fit this pattern precisely. Either they are lying sacks of sh.t, or they run a business where they drive good people to theft. I am all for giving Barry the benefit of the doubt on this one, and by a long shot. If they had evidence that Barry was stealing, why did they wait until he left to file charges? Anyone with any further information, please keep us posted. I have a call and e-mail in to Barry which he obviously cant return. There might be a Barry Miller Legal Defense Fund drive in our future. Speaking of legal bullshit and Halcyon, Carleigh Rae Corp. recently filed, then rescinded, a Chapter 11 bankruptcy in order to put a stay on the summary judgment in the lawsuit against OxyCheq, OMS, and several other competitors over their bullshit weight patent. It is the opinion of all involved that Big Bob bit off more than he can chew, as it was obviously an attempt to attenuate competition. The only question is whether or not the victims can pierce the corporate veil and sue Bob personally for legal fee's. The patent has more holes in it than a Fallujah outhouse, with numerous examples of prior art, etc, being produced. His immoral, unethical use of DEMA to serve papers on competitors had a chilling effect on DEMA attendance as well. Hard to imagine eh? No one ever attached a weight anywhere but a weight belt in order to adjust trim, before Big Bob squeaked his patent through. Neither Halcyon nor EE would exist if it were not for Barry Miller and his lights. Vote with your wallets people. Scott  Signature"You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man's actions are, such must be his spirit." -- Demosthenes ************************* The following comes from an undisclosed source, take it as you will; as far as my experience goes, this is exactly the scenario we see again and again: "I started trying to get my money Halcyon owed me to the tune of 130,000. I quickly found out that I was not going to be able to collect and started trying to settle for pennies on the dollar. Again I realized I was going to be unable to collect on any settlement. I also became worried when Jarrod told me he questioned my salary and he thought he could find an "educated" person to do my job for less money." "When I left halcyon I tried to take my PERSONAL property, but Jarrod told me I would have to take him to court to recover it because he needed it for his business. Most of the machinery belongs to me along with computers and various other things. To add insult to injury, Jarrod had the nerve to accuse me of stealing. I have refrained from washing this laundry out with the diving population, but it is becoming more difficult." There is an active thread at www.scubaforum.org in the "Politics" forum. I run that site, and it will NOT be taken down by people "Friendly" to one side or the other. I dont know Barry personally. Which ever side is "Wrong" on this one has brass nuts. YOu have to in order to either steal hardware and then openly sell it (Barry wasn't exactly QUIET about what he was doing!) or to falsely accuse someone of theft and delivery of stolen property. Note that the charges apparently include more than just stealing - they include SALE of stolen property. This is not, apparently, a matter of tools and such - it apparently extends to alleged components. If Barry turns out to be innocent, Halcyon may have a new owner soon, and the current owners and directors may be in the poorhouse. On the other hand, if he is guilty, then anyone who bought one of his lights may end up losing it (you can't sell something you don't have title too - thus, it is entirely conceivable that customers could end up having to cough up their lights!) This is an extremely serious matter in either event, and I hope that people who have any infomration will either post it here or on my forum - this kind of thing needs to be kept in the public eye and aired out, irrespected of who the "Bad guy" really is. -- SignatureKarl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind >As most of you already know, Barry Miller recently split the sheets with >Halcyon, and started his own thing: http://www.salvodiving.com/home was [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Scott > There is an active thread at www.scubaforum.org in the "Politics" forum. I > run that site, and it will NOT be taken down by people "Friendly" to one [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > of thing needs to be kept in the public eye and aired out, irrespected of > who the "Bad guy" really is. Thanks Karl. Could have been simple stupidity and greed by all parties. >> There is an active thread at www.scubaforum.org in the "Politics" forum. >I [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >Could have been simple stupidity and greed by all parties. Not really. Stealing is stealing. I've heard the rumors, but that doesn't change my view one bit. If you're owed something, that doesn't give you the right to go take what you "think" is compensation without a judge saying so, and you doing it the legal way. There are dozens of people who have managed to "rip me" at one time or another - oh sure, most of them were for trivial amounts, but that's not the point. Whether its a dollar of 10 grand (or much more) doesn't change a thing - all we're arguing over is the price, as the saying goes, once we've determined what you are.... :) I think the community is owed an answer on this. I suspect we'll get one, eventually, but it may take until the case is disposed of... I see this as a "binary" deal - either there is a felony conviction (whether by trial or plea) of some kind related to this that ultimately comes out of it or there is not. -- SignatureKarl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind > Could have been simple stupidity and greed by all parties. "Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity" Just spoke with Barry, he is out of jail, back in biz, and a new light is on the horizon. That's the spirit we like to see. Scott > Just spoke with Barry, he is out of jail, back in biz, and a new light is on > the horizon. > > That's the spirit we like to see. > > Scott I would think that the fallout from this will be very interesting to say the least. Brian Edmonton, Alberta > Just spoke with Barry, he is out of jail, back in biz, and a new light is on > the horizon. > > That's the spirit we like to see. Scott, Who is Scott Landon? > Scott, > > Who is Scott Landon? A real, end-of-the-line diver. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? Scott, > ? > ? Who is Scott Landon? > > A real, end-of-the-line diver. f.ck him and Halcyon. > > A real, end-of-the-line diver. > > f.ck him and Halcyon. Now I'm going to have to come down there, and smite your silly a.s. Fire up the smoker. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? > A real, end-of-the-line diver. > ? > ? f.ck him and Halcyon. > > Now I'm going to have to come down there, and smite your silly a.s. Not over these jackals, you aint. I will take no sh.t, at all, off anyone, for any reason over this issue. I dont find them amusing in the smallest way, and I do have the shirt, in fact, two shirts. > Fire up the smoker. We just did the buffalo steaks, but I'll stop tonight and see if there are any left. Any f.cking idea at all when you may be coming? Or are you just f.cking around. I hate to freeze fresh buffalo. > Any f.cking idea at all when you may be coming? Nope. What's your schedule? What's that beautiful young woman's schedule? Do they ever meet? > Or are you just f.cking around. Yes. Probably. Nope. Ok. Huh? > I hate to freeze fresh buffalo. Have you got hump meat? Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 >> ? Scott, >> ? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >f.ck him and Halcyon. You can f.ck him if you'd like - I don't do guys. :-> -- SignatureKarl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind Alan Street wrote: > Who is Scott Landon? Here he is. http://www.gue.com/research/wkpp/gallery/gallery07_image02.shtml I think it's fair to say that he might be just a little biased. Lee > Alan Street wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.gue.com/research/wkpp/gallery/gallery07_image02.shtml I think > it's fair to say that he might be just a little biased. Ah, that's a cheap guess from the haircut ;-)) Matthias > Scott, > > Who is Scott Landon? One of the WKPP divers, and a Halcyon Bully. I have seen him attacking Barry, while Barry had no way to defend himself, and it is just more Groupie bullshit. Halcyon nor EE would be what they are, and WKPP wouldn't have the footage and lights they used if it weren't for Barry. Shitty, all of it. > > Scott, > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Shitty, all of it. The reason I asked is that he's been making comments on Karl's board that don't quite pass the smell test. He's claiming that he's spoken with the Alachua county sheriff who confirmed the stolen goods, charges, etc. It's my experience that law enforcement doesn't normally talk to just anybody about pending charges and other touchy legal matters, so I wondered what his stake was and how credible he is. It sounds like he may be more than a bit biased. > The reason I asked is that he's been making comments on Karl's board > that don't quite pass the smell test. He's claiming that he's spoken [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > matters, so I wondered what his stake was and how credible he is. It > sounds like he may be more than a bit biased. Halcyon may well have evidence that passes the search warrant and arrest test, especially when only one side has been heard/presented. This is why we are innocent until proven guilty. They may even have evidence that a jury will convict on, that doesn't mean that they did not contribute to the sequence of events that lead to arrest. No matter what the details, they are far from innocent in this and many other incidents. Landon is taking cheap shots from the cheap seats. That's why it seems cheap. They had Barry in jail for Thanksgiving. That was simply uncalled for. If they had this evidence of theft for so long, why was it allowed to continue, and why did they wait to file charges until after Barry told them to pound sand? <rhetorical questions> I am on Barry's side in this one, all the way. And I have no more information than you do. Tell you what; Just look at the chronology, circumstances and the track record of all parties involved. 'Nuff said. >> The reason I asked is that he's been making comments on Karl's board >> that don't quite pass the smell test. He's claiming that he's spoken [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Halcyon may well have evidence that passes the search warrant and arrest >test, especially when only one side has been heard/presented. Yep. The threshold for a search and arrest warrant is very low, and there is no mitigating evidence (like, for instance, invoices for the alleged stolen hardware) looked at. >This is why we are innocent until proven guilty. They may even have evidence >that a jury will convict on, that doesn't mean that they did not contribute >to the sequence of events that lead to arrest. No matter what the details, >they are far from innocent in this and many other incidents. Evidence sufficient to convict is a different matter. To get to THAT stage the defense has its right to present its material. If you pass that test, I'm far more inclined to believe that there really was fire to go with the hollering that the place is burning. >Landon is taking cheap shots from the cheap seats. That's why it seems >cheap. Yep. >They had Barry in jail for Thanksgiving. That was simply uncalled for. If >they had this evidence of theft for so long, why was it allowed to continue, >and why did they wait to file charges until after Barry told them to pound >sand? <rhetorical questions> In all fairness, you don't know WHO was responsible for that - was it Halcyon or the Alachua County Sheriff? It IS, however, really curious in terms of timing - its one of the few days you can bust someone and yet string them along with their bail/arraignment hearing requirements by a bit. USUALLY you get that hearing the next morning. LEGALLY they usually can hold you for 72 hours (to allow for holidays, etc) - which is why this stinks to high hell. Timing arrests for 5:01 PM on Friday night is nothing new. Its rude but not terribly unexpected. Now if there's some conspiratorial involvement in the county sheriff's office, well, that's an entirely different kettle of fish. >I am on Barry's side in this one, all the way. And I have no more >information than you do. Neither do I at this point - I'm reserving judgment. I want to see proof. For me, the issue is simple: I want to see a felony conviction (by jury or plea) in order to determine that the original complaint has merit. If its not forthcoming, well, then that pretty much does it for me. >Tell you what; > >Just look at the chronology, circumstances and the track record of all >parties involved. > >'Nuff said. Past performance does not guarantee future results, as 'ya know. Let's hope that we get some facts in this case as they are able to be developed. The good part of this being a criminal matter is that you can't "bury" it - criminal matters are public record, unlike many lawsuit dispositions. -- SignatureKarl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind >From: karl@FS.Denninger.Net (Karl Denninger) >In all fairness, you don't know WHO was responsible for that - was it >Halcyon or the Alachua County Sheriff? It IS, however, really curious in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Timing arrests for 5:01 PM on Friday night is nothing new. Its rude but >not terribly unexpected. That group has threatened some private police action before. It would be a curiosity to find out if the arresting cops were divers. Popeye The only working atomic bomb platforms the Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail. >>Timing arrests for 5:01 PM on Friday night is nothing new. Its rude but >>not terribly unexpected. > > That group has threatened some private police action before. > It would be a curiosity to find out if the arresting cops were divers. Wouldn't it just. Interesting thought, one of those things that make you go hmmmmm. Lee >? "Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message >? news:291120040645238720%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >matters, so I wondered what his stake was and how credible he is. It >sounds like he may be more than a bit biased. Yeah, it sounded like bullshit to me too. I prefer to let people hang themselves with their own rope though at times like this... :-> -- SignatureKarl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind >>The reason I asked is that he's been making comments on Karl's board >>that don't quite pass the smell test. He's claiming that he's spoken [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I prefer to let people hang themselves with their own rope though at times > like this... :-> Here's his picture. The site it comes from speaks volumes about his bias. http://www.gue.com/research/wkpp/gallery/gallery07_image02.shtml Lee > ? > Who is Scott Landon? > ? > ? One of the WKPP divers, and a Halcyon Bully. > The reason I asked is that he's been making comments on Karl's board > that don't quite pass the smell test. He's claiming that he's spoken [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > matters, so I wondered what his stake was and how credible he is. It > sounds like he may be more than a bit biased. Last I heard, Scott Landon was one of the officers of the WKPP operation. It's been years since I had any contact with him, but unless he's changed a lot, I think it's fair to say that he's biased in favor Halcyon, WKPP and Jarrod. Lee Hi Scott, I stumbled onto this forum and was reading some of the old posts and happened onto this one. I do not have a vested interest in either Barry White or Halcyon but let's say, for the sake of argument, that he did this and is convicted by the courts. Do you have any more smart-assed, moronic posts waiting in the wings for that time? If your posts are, in anyway, representative of the intelligence quotient of this forum, I can easily do without it.
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