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Scuba Forum / General / November 2003Scuba Instructor Software
Just an FYI for those who have downloaded the free scuba instructor software from www.punksoft.com, there has been some updates to it over the past few days posted there. There has also been a draft copy of the user's guide in PDF form posted there as well (about 95% complete). > Just an FYI for those who have downloaded the free scuba instructor software > from www.spamsoft.com, there has been some updates to it over the past few > days posted there. There has also been a draft copy of the user's guide in > PDF form posted there as well (about 95% complete). Get lost spammer. > > Just an FYI for those who have downloaded the free scuba instructor > software [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Get lost spammer. It's hard for me to label this as spam since I can't really find anything he is trying to sell... The closest thing to a commercial website involved is the retail traffic pulse (RTP) thing and that doesn't even offer a way to purchase the system. As a matter of fact, the RTP site doesn't look like it's finished even though it was put up in February and the FAQ was last updated in April (IIRC). > It's hard for me to label this as spam since I can't really find anything he > is trying to sell... The closest thing to a commercial website involved is > the retail traffic pulse (RTP) thing and that doesn't even offer a way to > purchase the system. As a matter of fact, the RTP site doesn't look like > it's finished even though it was put up in February and the FAQ was last > updated in April (IIRC). I went to the spamsoft.com website and found an area called Products where I can get "free" software or I can pay for something called Full Product Database. Spamster's posts are therefore nothing but teasers for a commercial product, like DIR demos or trip reports. Of course it's spam and not even cleverly concealed. >> It's hard for me to label this as spam since I can't really find anything >he [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >commercial product, like DIR demos or trip reports. Of course it's spam and >not even cleverly concealed. As a spam cop, Greg is a firm believer in keeping the camel's nose out of the tent. > As a spam cop, Greg is a firm believer in keeping the camel's nose out of the > tent. You can lead a horse to water, but you don't need to lead a camel to water. > > It's hard for me to label this as spam since I can't really find anything > he [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > commercial product, like DIR demos or trip reports. Of course it's spam and > not even cleverly concealed. Ooops, I guess I missed that one... Go get 'im Greg... Isn't spam supposed to be like mass emailing and postings? I personally have typed out every post ehre - and as for mass emailing - I just don't. Jesus Christ man. Here I am - a professional developer - I make some software for myself - a buddy tells me that he likes it (he's an instructor too) and says I should sell it. I say NAHHH - but I decide to go ahead and give it away. NOT only do I give it away but I decide to open a website incurring the monthly expense. Now all I'm getting is greif for it? No wonder no one likes to do favours for anyone anymore. It sure doesn't pat to be nice does it? Dave. > > > It's hard for me to label this as spam since I can't really find > anything [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ooops, I guess I missed that one... Go get 'im Greg... > Isn't spam supposed to be like mass emailing and postings? > I personally have typed out every post ehre - and as for mass emailing - I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Dave. Dave, You have to understand Greg. He pretty much thinks that if he didn't post it, it must be spam. <j/k> ;-) Seriously, I don't consider it to be spam (even with the full database costing $5 - $10) even though Greg says it is (and has a very good point about it leading to a site that sells stuff). I guess I'm just not as die-hard of an anti-spammer as he is. C Guynn Hey there. Well on the drive home from the office, I made a decision. I took off the Full database product and I took off the purchase option on the website. Now I suppose I could have taken the high road and just put the full database on there for a free download. I probably will once it's more complete (as well as just package it with the software), but until then, people can type in their own codes and descriptions and prices. Besides - I'm sure if I put up a full database that wasnt 100 complete with every t crossed and I dotted, I'm sure Greg would have lots to say about that right? haha I thought it should remain more "pure" to the notion of a hobby type site as opposed to a hobby site with a desire to at least pay for itself right? I did put on a donation button there though. If someone likes the software and wants to buy me a coffee - great. If they want to email me asking for what's been done on the full database, I'd of course send it, but I'm not going to promote it any anyway for the time being. So - perhaps now our friend Greg will agree that I'm not a spammer. Dave PS - Thanks for your understanding. > > Isn't spam supposed to be like mass emailing and postings? > > I personally have typed out every post ehre - and as for mass emailing - I [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > C Guynn > So - perhaps now our friend Greg will agree that I'm not a spammer. Too late. > > So - perhaps now our friend Greg will agree that I'm not a spammer. > > Too late. This time I agree with you. -Sven For what? > > So - perhaps now our friend Greg will agree that I'm not a spammer. > > Too late. For curing you of > For what? your idiotic top posting > "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message And you program these things for a living? I hope that "work ethic" doesn't equally apply to your scuba training. Again, you response lacks substantive content and is hardly worth replying to - but what the hell. I do make a living programming actually. I very satisfactory living. I've had a varied and successful career and am doing exactly what I want to be doing. Development. The scuba software was made in my spare time for myself. The applications I make for my career are installed all over the country and in mission critical environments. If you live in Canada, there's a chance you would have come in contact (indirectly) with my software. As for my ethics - my ethics are just fine thank you. More than fine actually. I have them to thank for getting me this far and yes - my ethics do extend to training. Although admittingly scuba training is strictly a hobby. I only got my instructor's rating for fun and to certify some friends. > For curing you of > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And you program these things for a living? I hope that "work ethic" doesn't > equally apply to your scuba training. > Again, you response lacks substantive content and is hardly worth replying > to - but what the hell. The most substantive content of my post points out that you have no concept of netiquette, demonstrated by your continual top-posting. It doesn't make any more sense for a computer mechanic not to understand netiquette than for an auto mechanic not to understand "right of way". My top posting? Man - I simply hit reply to group within Outlook express here and type away at my message. If my postings appear to not be in the threaded fashion that you are used to - get new software - my postings are coming up fine for me. > > Again, you response lacks substantive content and is hardly worth replying > > to - but what the hell. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > any more sense for a computer mechanic not to understand netiquette than for > an auto mechanic not to understand "right of way". > My top posting? > Man - I simply hit reply to group within Outlook express here and type away > at my message. If my postings appear to not be in the threaded fashion that > you are used to - get new software - my postings are coming up fine for me. Incoming!!!!!! > My top posting? > Man - I simply hit reply to group within Outlook express here and type away > at my message. If my postings appear to not be in the threaded fashion that > you are used to - get new software - my postings are coming up fine for me. top posting refers to putting your response above the original posters text. Notice how what you wrote is actually above what I wrote in this post. That is called bottom posting. Top posting is frowned upon even though it is exactly what OE does by default. Top posting has absolutely nothing to do with the "thread pattern." > top posting refers to putting your response above the original posters text. > Notice how what you wrote is actually above what I wrote in this post. That > is called bottom posting. Top posting is frowned upon even though it is > exactly what OE does by default. Top posting has absolutely nothing to do > with the "thread pattern." Thanks Christ -I figured that out a few minutes ago when Chilly sent me a link (helpful young lad like yourself haha) Thanks for taking the time to point it out to me. > Thanks Christ -I figured that out a few minutes ago when Chilly sent me a > link You can just call me Greg if you like. > (helpful young lad like yourself haha) As others have pointed out, you are very much like Jack Farmer. Like you, he claims to work with computers for a living, yet doesn't seem to know sh.t about them. And your giggle is the same. Do you have a picture you can show us? > As others have pointed out, you are very much like Jack Farmer. Like you, > he claims to work with computers for a living, yet doesn't seem to know sh.t > about them. And your giggle is the same. Do you have a picture you can > show us? Sure. You can either look up my MSN profile under my email address here, or you can find a set of pictures spliced together at www.punksoft.com/Desktop.jpg (I understand this is the protocol for pictures - giving a web link) Or you can find my pic on another website for a company I helped put together several years back : www.superpet.com/profile.html Some of the job titles I held there were : - IT manager - Graphics Design - Corporate trainer - Litigation?Legal Liaison - Member of the National Board of Directors for PIJAC Canada - Chair Human Recourses and Human Rights committee (that was my last position) No I'm enjoying a nice stressfree life doing developing during the week and diving on the weekends. ;-) > > As others have pointed out, you are very much like Jack Farmer. Like you, > > he claims to work with computers for a living, yet doesn't seem to know [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > www.punksoft.com/Desktop.jpg 2 questions: 1.) Who's the lady? 2.) Is her name and number prominently displayed on your dive gear somewhere? :-) > (I understand this is the protocol for pictures - giving a web link) > Or you can find my pic on another website for a company I helped put [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > No I'm enjoying a nice stressfree life doing developing during the week and > diving on the weekends. ;-) > > > about them. And your giggle is the same. Do you have a picture you can > > > show us? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > 1.) Who's the lady? That's my Ex. We're best friends still. In fact - she keeps asking me to hook her up with a scuba diver (she loves divers) but all my dive friends are married. Interested? JOKE! Yeah right. ;-p That's Angie. She's not my ex - just goshin' ya. We're planning to get married at some point mid to late next year. > 2.) Is her name and number prominently displayed on your dive gear > somewhere? Yes - does that mean you want to go diving with me now? ;-pPpPpP Actually she's not into diving (although she may try it this summer). She's a fitness trainer (you gatta see her abs!) - I'm trying to find a way to combine our two client bases haha. > > 1.) Who's the lady? > > That's my Ex. We're best friends still. In fact - she keeps asking me to > hook her up with a scuba diver (she loves divers) Maybe she doesn't mean scuba divers? Dave. > > > 1.) Who's the lady? > > > > That's my Ex. We're best friends still. In fact - she keeps asking me to > > hook her up with a scuba diver (she loves divers) > > Maybe she doesn't mean scuba divers? HAHA That's hysterical - I can't believe a pervert like myself didn't catch that one while I typed it. I must be slipping. ;-) > > > > about them. And your giggle is the same. Do you have a picture you > can [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > hook her up with a scuba diver (she loves divers) but all my dive friends > are married. Interested? I would be, but I suffer from the same malady as your dive friends... :-) > JOKE! > Yeah right. ;-p > That's Angie. She's not my ex - just goshin' ya. > We're planning to get married at some point mid to late next year. my condolences... > > 2.) Is her name and number prominently displayed on your dive gear > > somewhere? > > Yes - does that mean you want to go diving with me now? > ;-pPpPpP With you, without you, whatever. I just want to go diving again. Hopefully, it will happen pretty soon. > Actually she's not into diving (although she may try it this summer). She's > a fitness trainer (you gatta see her abs!) Of all the things I thought of that I might have wanted to see... I don't think her abs made the list. <eg> > - I'm trying to find a way to > combine our two client bases haha. Good luck... > > That's my Ex. We're best friends still. In fact - she keeps asking me to > > hook her up with a scuba diver (she loves divers) but all my dive friends > > are married. Interested? > > I would be, but I suffer from the same malady as your dive friends... :-) I'm so sorry to hear that. ;-) > > That's Angie. She's not my ex - just goshin' ya. > > We're planning to get married at some point mid to late next year. > > my condolences... Now why do people keep telling me that? ;-) > > Actually she's not into diving (although she may try it this summer). > She's > > a fitness trainer (you gatta see her abs!) > > Of all the things I thought of that I might have wanted to see... I don't > think her abs made the list. <eg> haha ;-) Man - you have no idea. I'm a lucky lucky man I tell you ;-) > Actually she's not into diving (although she may try it this summer). She's > a fitness trainer (you gatta see her abs!) - I'm trying to find a way to > combine our two client bases haha. Tell your students they're overweight and need to lose 10Kg before you'll teach them, then introduce em to her... and hope she doesn't ditch you for one of them. rhys > (you gatta see her abs!) Got any pictures? Alas - you know - I don't think I do. :-( I guess I'm going to have to get some "fitness" pics of her done up (Gawd I love those type of pics). Now that I've got that in my head - I'm gonna have to take some shots of her workin' out. :-) > > (you gatta see her abs!) > > Got any pictures? > Now that I've got that in my head - I'm gonna have to take some shots of her > workin' out. :-) And then post them, please. Like I quoted before: go ahead, make my day. (Unless the past 10 years have turned her into something resembling my grandmother - in that case, keep her to yourself) > > Now that I've got that in my head - I'm gonna have to take some shots of > her [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (Unless the past 10 years have turned her into something resembling my > grandmother - in that case, keep her to yourself) Those pics are only a few months old. "David Brewster" <punky@interlog.com> wrote in message news:bodn4c$p08$1@news.eusc.inter.net... > (you gatta see her abs!) 6 minute abs? Dave. > You can either look up my MSN profile under my email address here, or you > can find a set of pictures spliced together at > > www.punksoft.com/Desktop.jpg So this guy walks into a bar with a duck stuck on his head. The bartender says, "Wow, that's quite a growth you've got attached to ya" And the duck says "Yeah, started out as a pimple on my a.s" > Or you can find my pic on another website for a company I helped put > together several years back : > www.superpet.com/profile.html Really?! Which one is you? http://www.superpet.com/shoppingcart%20database/shopreptile.html (wg) > > Or you can find my pic on another website for a company I helped put > > together several years back : [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > (wg) The young looking guy on the far left - that pic was like 10 years ago - I'm not with that company anymore (although I still have tight personal ties) but my picture can still be found on the odd store wall here and there. ;-) > > Really?! Which one is you? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > not with that company anymore (although I still have tight personal ties) > but my picture can still be found on the odd store wall here and there. ;-) LOL, you didn't click on the link I left did you? > > > http://www.superpet.com/shoppingcart%20database/shopreptile.html > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > LOL, you didn't click on the link I left did you? Hardy har har ;-) You know - I did a search on you.... www.slarson.isgay.com > > > > http://www.superpet.com/shoppingcart%20database/shopreptile.html > > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > www.slarson.isgay.com Man, you really need to do some searches on google. > > You know - I did a search on you.... > > > > www.slarson.isgay.com > > Man, you really need to do some searches on google. By the way, start with the thread titled: Dan Bracuk, Wine sucking cheesehead > > You know - I did a search on you.... > > > > www.slarson.isgay.com > > Man, you really need to do some searches on google. And you need to stop manning those glory holes. ;-) > > > You know - I did a search on you.... > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And you need to stop manning those glory holes. "Honey, with one of these, I can get all of those I want." > > > You know - I did a search on you.... > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And you need to stop manning those glory holes. I was going to say that you should try thinking outside of the box, but then I realized . . ..ahahahahahah David Brewster wrote: > Now all I'm getting is greif for it? No wonder no one likes to do favours > for anyone anymore. It sure doesn't pat to be nice does it? Welcome to rec.scuba. Brian Edmonton, Alberta That's only because I spent ages typing in all of the products from the PADI catalogue. If you want to toiss me $5 for my time - great otherwise you don't need my full database. Type in all the products and courses yourself - makes no difference to me or the software. Now at some point in the future (we're talking like a year) I may start selling the software - but until then - it's free. > > It's hard for me to label this as spam since I can't really find anything > he [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > commercial product, like DIR demos or trip reports. Of course it's spam and > not even cleverly concealed. > That's only because I spent ages typing in all of the products from the PADI > catalogue. If you want to toiss me $5 for my time - great otherwise you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Now at some point in the future (we're talking like a year) I may start > selling the software - but until then - it's free. Didn't you spend ages putting together the database? Isn't that pretty much the same thing? Just thought I'd ask... C Guynn <snip> > Now at some point in the future (we're talking like a year) I may start > selling the software - but until then - it's free. > Now at some point in the future (we're talking like a year) I may start > selling the software - but until then - it's free. > Now at some point in the future (we're talking like a year) I may start > selling the software - but until then - it's free. > Now at some point in the future (we're talking like a year) I may start > selling the software - but until then - it's free. > Now at some point in the future (we're talking like a year) I may start > selling the software - but until then - it's free. > Now at some point in the future (we're talking like a year) I may start > selling the software - but until then - it's free. I rest my case. What case? That you stutter? The type of close minded person that you are? That you have nothing better to contribute than repitition and negativity? That you have this deep need to control everything and everyone around you? That perhaps not everything revolves around you? That rarely do you have anything original or even interesting to say? That the opinions you express are perhaps some of the most jaded and un-enlighted ones around? That you're the type of person that thinks everything should be handed to you? That the world and everyone in it owes you for you gracing us with your presence? That perhaps the ilk of your character has prevented you from enjoying the bennefits of a fruitful and rewarding career? I suppose I could go on and on and on... but I think I've got your type pegged Greg. But hey - I suppose the world needs people like you to make everyone else look good right? ;-) PS: At some point I may start charging for it in the future. Who knows. But for now - it's free, and that's what counts. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and while everyone is entited to their opinion - I would have to question the business/work ethics of those that do, if not their intellegence. > > Now at some point in the future (we're talking like a year) I may start > > selling the software - but until then - it's free. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I rest my case. > PS: > At some point I may start charging for it in the future. Who knows. But for > now - it's free, and that's what counts. It's free because no one would ever pay for it. But it's still spam because it's used in the same way many marketers pass out free samples - to draw in customers for the rest of the (for profit) merchandise. > There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and while everyone is entited > to their opinion - I would have to question the business/work ethics of > those that do, if not their intellegence. Microsoft gives Windows away for free too. What's wrong with that? By the way, only a dip sh.t would spell intelligence incorrectly when insulting another's. It hardly makes your point. You're right - it is free because I wouldn't expect anyone to pay for it yet. It took me about a week of programming a few hours a day to put it together. I don't consider it for mass-commercial quality yet. I need to put in some more features and add some spit and polish to it before it's at that stage. And even then - I'll probably keep it free for a long time yet anyhow. There is no other merchandise to draw people to. Are you able to come to terms with that yet? Go to my site - there is no mention on anything to buy. It's free software with free support to anyone who wants it. If they don't want it, no worries, but if someone downloads it, uses it, and says they like it - great - that's all I'm asking for. I'm not luring anyone to my site for anything other than recognition for providing free software to other instructors. Microsoft gives Windows away for free? Ahhhhh... no. What do you think you're talking about? What planet are you on? As for picking out my spelling/typo - that's pretty petty don't you think? If you had done something similar (maybe you have but I certainly have not had the presence of mind to check, let alone care - this is hardly the venue for such formalities) you wouldn't find me so desperate to point it out. > > PS: > > At some point I may start charging for it in the future. Who knows. But [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > By the way, only a dip sh.t would spell intelligence incorrectly when > insulting another's. It hardly makes your point. Forget the bells and whistles - fix the basics. "David Brewster" <punky@interlog.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: : I don't consider it for mass-commercial quality yet. I need to put :in some more features and add some spit and polish to it before it's at that :stage. Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > Forget the bells and whistles - fix the basics. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > :stage. > Dan Bracuk I'd love to, but I can't find anything wrong with what's in there right now. A few bugs have been found that were fixed (screen calculations and that sort of thing) but nothing lately. "David Brewster" <punky@interlog.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in: :I'd love to, but I can't find anything wrong with what's in there right now. Do you still make users come up with their own primary keys? Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > "David Brewster" <punky@interlog.com> pounded away at his keyboard > resulting in: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dan Bracuk Primary Key is such a harsh word don't you think? ;-) I do give people to ability to assign their own unique codes to customers, instructors, components, and course ciriculums. Although course ciriculums and the components that make up a course are already filled out (at least in part at this point) in the database - but people have the flexibility to change/add/delete codes as they see fit. I do understand your issue with it, I'm not ducking that, it's just that from my experience (developing large database/inventory systems) from all the software that I have out there, making an application "Fisher-Price" like is not always ideal. Giving people the ability to see/create meaningful short codes for things that would require long descriptions (that may require truncating in reports and subscreens) goesd a long way to maintaining a clean database. It's hard to explain fully but just having the ability to create your codes and making database items appear in order (due to sorting) due to the self-assigned codes goes a long way to eliminating duplicate database entries... garbage in garbage out we like to say. While I don't pretend to be Mr. Super Diver here, (it's obvious from some of the postings there are some incredibly advanced divers here), my experience in diving is enough to make me a good instructor and that's about it (which I think is pretty cool). But my experience in technological issues (and programming) would be pretty hard to surpase by the average Joe. (I can see the flames coming now). Sometimes you have to use your best judgements and not give users everything they want, all in the interest of maintaining integrity within the application itself. It's a constant battle to avoid "feature-itis" believe me. Without posting my resume here, I'd developed some pretty incredible products in the past... everything from DTV card programming software, to software that reconcilies credit/debit transactions between a POS system and a bank's system, to software that ties into security panels to count traffic, to video recognition to determine if products are located on the bottom of shopping carts, to large scale inventory maintenance packages. etc. etc. etc. So with that, people will jsut have to understand that when I decide that a specific change to the software is not appropriate, it's not due to laziness or lack of ability, but rather based on past experiences that tell me it would be unwise to do so. Later. > Without posting my resume here, I'd developed > some pretty incredible products in the past... video recognition to determine if > products are located on the bottom of shopping carts My, my. How would the world have survived without that? <Snip> > Microsoft gives Windows away for free too. What's wrong with that? Really? Where can I get a copy? <snip> (snip)> PS: > At some point I may start charging for it in the future. Who knows. But for > now - it's free, and that's what counts. MHK gives out free demonstrations. And he says that's what counts. > There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and while everyone is entited > to their opinion - I would have to question the business/work ethics of > those that do, if not their intellegence. No problem with free samples. I like to taste a new product at the grocery store from time to time. But never fool myself into believing that they are giving me the free samples for anything other than to promote the product that they want me to "buy". Whether that be the same day or in the future. > > > Now at some point in the future (we're talking like a year) I may start > > > selling the software - but until then - it's free. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > I rest my case. Thanks Chilly. I suppose Greg (is that his name?)'s definition of spammers would include anyone who ever gives anything away for free or for demonstration at ever point in the life cycle of a product. Makes me think how he can function all day long. Has he never taken a car for a test drive? Never received samples in the mail? Never had a sample at Costco? Never downloaded Shareware? (Bet he's never paid for it if he has). In any event - the software on my site (www.punksoft.com) - I suppose he'll blast me for putting the webaddress there is full functioned with no restrictions at all. It's no even trial-ware or share-ware. It's completely 100% free. If someone likes it and they want to donate money - great - I'll let them buy me a coffee and a bagel for their thanks - but that said - the product remains absolutely free and evolves weekly for people who have a need for it. Dave > (snip)> PS: > > At some point I may start charging for it in the future. Who knows. But [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > > > > > I rest my case. > Thanks Chilly. > I suppose Greg (is that his name?)'s definition of spammers would include [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Never had a sample at Costco? > Never downloaded Shareware? Good, so you are clear on the concept. We're half way there. > (Bet he's never paid for it if he has). > In any event - the software on my site (www.punksoft.com) - I suppose he'll [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > product remains absolutely free and evolves weekly for people who have a > need for it. That sounds like MHK's gig too. It's all altruistic. Good for you. > Dave > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > > > > > > > I rest my case. At the risk of showing my ignorance (and giving Greg an opening).... What is MHK? Damn. Too late. My ignorance is shown. Just noticed Chilly you are in Canada... Where abouts? > > Thanks Chilly. > > I suppose Greg (is that his name?)'s definition of spammers would include [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > > > > > > > > > I rest my case. > At the risk of showing my ignorance As long as you spell it right . . . > (and giving Greg an opening).... > What is > MHK? See, that's why you should lurk awhile first. Get a feel for the group. > Damn. > Too late. > My ignorance is shown. :^) > Just noticed Chilly you are in Canada... Where abouts? Western Canada and you? > > > Thanks Chilly. > > > I suppose Greg (is that his name?)'s definition of spammers would [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > I rest my case. Toronto. Shaw used to be here but I know they've concentrated out West. Prairies or BC? I've actually spent more time than I can already afford lurking around rec.scuba - but hell - I keep getting drawn into these discussions ;-) > > At the risk of showing my ignorance > [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rest my case. > Toronto. > Shaw used to be here but I know they've concentrated out West. > Prairies or BC? Prairies. > I've actually spent more time than I can already afford lurking around > rec.scuba - but hell - I keep getting drawn into these discussions ;-) The getting drawn in, I understand. But you should have lurked some more before coming on here with your spam. Then at least you'd have known what you were getting yourself into. > > > At the risk of showing my ignorance > > [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rest my case. I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that I'm not a spammer. > > Toronto. > > Shaw used to be here but I know they've concentrated out West. [quoted text clipped - 143 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rest my case. > I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that I'm not a spammer. Are to and a lousy top poster to boot. (g) > > > Toronto. > > > Shaw used to be here but I know they've concentrated out West. [quoted text clipped - 152 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rest my case. I just mentioned to Greg about top posting. I don't have a clue why my posts are coming up different for you guys. I'm using Outlook Express and my posts are coming up threaded with everyone elses. (I just hit Reply Group) I admit that I am guessing at what you mean by top-posting. Pehaps Outlook Express posts to newsgroups slightly differently than your software? Perhaps your software is reading the groups slightly different than Outlook Express? Thatever the case may be, my appologies but it's nothing intentional on my part, but I don't see any difference between your posts and mine. > > I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that I'm not a spammer. > [quoted text clipped - 164 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rest my case. > I just mentioned to Greg about top posting. > I don't have a clue why my posts are coming up different for you guys. > I'm using Outlook Express and my posts are coming up threaded with everyone > elses. (I just hit Reply Group) > I admit that I am guessing at what you mean by top-posting. I suggest that you do a search on Usenet etiquette. > Pehaps Outlook Express posts to newsgroups slightly differently than your > software? Outlook Express is what I use (don't tell anyone) and it is my responsibility to place my typed text in the right place based on Usenet standard rules of etiquette. > Perhaps your software is reading the groups slightly different than Outlook > Express? Obviously not. > Thatever the case may be, my appologies but it's nothing intentional on my > part, but I don't see any difference between your posts and mine. You didn't notice that my posts to you were below yours? In other words, you spoke and I responded afterwards? Just like in a normal convo outside the the 'net? > > > I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that I'm not a spammer. > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > around > > > > > rec.scuba - but hell - I keep getting drawn into these discussions > ;-) > > > > [quoted text clipped - 164 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rest my case. > You didn't notice that my posts to you were below yours? In other words, > you spoke and I responded afterwards? Just like in a normal convo outside > the the 'net? The guy's an idjit spammer. How do you expect him to notice subtleties like that? See if you can teach him how to snip in Lesson Two. [snip] Sticks and stones my friend. Did it ever cross your mind, that if I am doing something wrong here, perhaps if you just told me what you'd like me to do so as not to offend you so much with the "top posting" you claim I am doing - that perhaps I would appreciate your guidance and govern myself accordingly with future posts? I think perhaps you are more hell-bent on acting the way you do rather than being a good and helpful person. > > You didn't notice that my posts to you were below yours? In other words, > > you spoke and I responded afterwards? Just like in a normal convo outside [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > [snip] > Sticks and stones my friend. > Did it ever cross your mind, that if I am doing something wrong here, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I think perhaps you are more hell-bent on acting the way you do rather than > being a good and helpful person. http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/ > > Sticks and stones my friend. > > Did it ever cross your mind, that if I am doing something wrong here, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/ THANKS! > > http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/ > > THANKS! You may be a spammer but you a quick learner. :^) You are welcome. > Sticks and stones my friend. > Did it ever cross your mind, that if I am doing something wrong here, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I think perhaps you are more hell-bent on acting the way you do rather than > being a good and helpful person. Of course he is, he's a lawyer! Jeesh! Dave. > > Sticks and stones my friend. > > I think perhaps you are more hell-bent on acting the way you do rather [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Of course he is, he's a lawyer! > Jeesh! Get out? Really? Man - many of my friends (certainly all that I sail with anyhow) are lawyers (and politicians). I should have spotted that haha. (snip)> haha. Hmm . . . very Jack Farmer like . . . > (snip)> haha. > > Hmm . . . very Jack Farmer like . . . hmmm... if his parts are very Jack Farmer like and very HK like, does that make him JFK? > > (snip)> haha. > > > > Hmm . . . very Jack Farmer like . . . > > hmmm... if his parts are very Jack Farmer like and very HK like, does that > make him JFK? make that hmmm... if his posts are very Jack Farmer like and very MHK like, does that make him JFK? "Chris Guynn" <chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> wrote > > > (snip)> haha. > > > Hmm . . . very Jack Farmer like . . . > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > make that hmmm... if his posts are very Jack Farmer like and very MHK like, > does that make him JFK? If it did, he would have been shot by the CIA by now. rhys > Sticks and stones my friend. > Did it ever cross your mind, that if I am doing something wrong here, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I think perhaps you are more hell-bent on acting the way you do rather than > being a good and helpful person. I think it is a bot. -Sven > I just mentioned to Greg about top posting. > I don't have a clue why my posts are coming up different for you guys. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thatever the case may be, my appologies but it's nothing intentional on my > part, but I don't see any difference between your posts and mine. After you hit "reply" move the cursor to just below the comment you want to respond to. You being a software injuneer though, you oughta know this. Now see the difference? Dave. > After you hit "reply" move the cursor to just below the comment you want to > respond to. > You being a software injuneer though, you oughta know this. > Now see the difference? > > Dave. Thanks - a few people took a moment out to correct me. Your time is appreciated. Although I beg to ask the question, what does being a developer have to do with knowing what "top posting" was? If you never go into newsgroups how would you? Just because I write software does not mean that I must know everything about everything electronic. No more so than just because someone who is a lawyer and who has taken latin must therefore know all the scientific names of the animal and plant species that they may come in contact with. See my point? Haveing said all that, I offer my thanks to those that took the time to correct my misunderstandings. > > After you hit "reply" move the cursor to just below the comment you want > to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Although I beg to ask the question, what does being a developer have to do > with knowing what "top posting" was? I'd posted that reply before I saw you didn't understand the meaning of top post. Still, most gateways into Usenet will show some sort of "how to's," which common sense dictates, should be read before posting and will also offer you a link to the Usenet faq before you even subscribe to any froups. If you never go into newsgroups how > would you? See above. > Just because I write software does not mean that I must know everything > about everything electronic. No more so than just because someone who is a > lawyer and who has taken latin must therefore know all the scientific names > of the animal and plant species that they may come in contact with. No, but they'd learn at least a few words before trying to hold a conversation in the language. Dave. <snip> > I'd posted that reply before I saw you didn't understand the meaning of top > post. Still, most gateways into Usenet will show some sort of "how to's," > which common sense dictates, should be read before posting and will also > offer you a link to the Usenet faq before you even subscribe to any froups. Are you one of those people who read the instructions before you start to put together that new toy you just got? :-) I am. C Guynn > Are you one of those people who read the instructions before you start to > put together that new toy you just got? :-) > > I am. Yup. I also masterbated before I knew what the hell it was good for. ;-) > > Are you one of those people who read the instructions before you start to > > put together that new toy you just got? :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I also masterbated before I knew what the hell it was good for. > ;-) TMI > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I am. I'm one of those people that throws away the destructions without ever looking at them. If I can't figger out how to put it together it ain't gonna last long. Dave. > > Are you one of those people who read the instructions before you start to > > put together that new toy you just got? :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dave. Mine tend to break before I've even managed to finish reading the instructions. Having a cat jump on the workbench and knock fragile plastics onto a concrete floor can be annoying rhys > At the risk of showing my ignorance (and giving Greg an opening).... > What is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just noticed Chilly you are in Canada... Where abouts? C'mon rookie. That's whereaboots? Dave. > Has he never taken a car for a test drive? Are you suggesting that Nissan, Chevrolet, and Geo now advertise on rec.scuba? > Never received samples in the mail? On rec.scuba? > Never had a sample at Costco? Actually, no. Those free samples are responsible for a large share of food-borne illnesses mainly from little brats who picks their butts and then touch all the samples before you shove them in your hungry mouth. > Never downloaded Shareware? (Bet he's never paid for it if he has). You'd lose that bet. But I've certainly never downloaded any shareware advertised on rec.scuba because I don't patronize spammers. > In any event - the software on my site (www.punksoft.com) - I suppose he'll > blast me for putting the webaddress there is full functioned with no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > product remains absolutely free and evolves weekly for people who have a > need for it. So weekly you will bombard us with your spam? The difference, dipshit, is that we are bombarded with advertising, offers of "free" samples and the like, almost everywhere we go. rec.scuba, for the most part, is a commercial-free haven and we like it that way. No advertising, period. Get it? > > Never had a sample at Costco? > > Actually, no. Those free samples are responsible for a large share of > food-borne illnesses mainly from little brats who picks their butts and then > touch all the samples before you shove them in your hungry mouth. DAMN! Now you've spoiled it for me. You know...there is a world outside of rec.scuba. When I was talking about samples and shareware and the like - I was referring to life in general - a life outside of rec.scuba Good point on the costco thing - I'll give you that. It has been a while since I walked through a costco and sampled anything, but I would still not forsake the opportunity to sample something that I was truly interested in... can't live life in a cotton ball you know. It's not spam - there's no commercial enterprise at the website. It's just free software for scuba instructors. No catch, no lures and no bait and switch. I understand and share your venom towards commercial advertising, but perhaps you should pick up a dictionary. Commercial advertising would have to advertise something with the intend of a commerce based exchange in mind. No such exchange is being promoted. It's pretty one sided actually. Download the software and pay... zippo... ziltch... nadda... nutta... Now if you're worried about the group being cluttered up with spam messages - I can sympathize with you, but stop for a sec and ponder how many postings your attack on something which is so obviously not commercial enterprise has created. Actually - you may make a good negotiator in life. I see you deftly ignore the points you can't argue on and fabricate or preverse the points that you may have a slight chance of arguing against. Bringing in your own unique sense of reality does lend itself to some entertaining point of view. So I will give you this that, you have provided me with a fair amount of entertainment. Some people never cease to amaze me. Oh and as for spamming every week - if I were a spammer - I wouldn't be having this conversation with you - I'd be spamming to my heart's content. Am I going to continue leaving the odd message here about the software? Yes - when there are changes or important updates - yes. You see you're not the only one here and there have been a few who have downloaded it and have liked it. I'm more concerned with keeping them informed and offering the software to anyone else who has a need for it rather than to worry about the opinions to those like you who frankly, other than to provide an entertaining diversion, don't matter to me. If you don't want to know about it, don't read about it, and certainly don't post about it. > > Has he never taken a car for a test drive? > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > most part, is a commercial-free haven and we like it that way. No > advertising, period. Get it? > You know...there is a world outside of rec.scuba. > When I was talking about samples and shareware and the like - I was [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > postings your attack on something which is so obviously not commercial > enterprise has created. That was surprisingly MHK like... > Actually - you may make a good negotiator in life. I > see you deftly ignore the points you can't argue on and fabricate or > preverse the points that you may have a slight chance of arguing against. > Bringing in your own unique sense of reality does lend itself to some > entertaining point of view. So I will give you this that, you have provided > me with a fair amount of entertainment. By the way, Greg is a lawyer... isn't that pretty much what they're taught to do? > Some people never cease to amaze me. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > entertaining diversion, don't matter to me. If you don't want to know about > it, don't read about it, and certainly don't post about it. <snip> Did anyone else notice the similarities between this post and MHK's style? > Did anyone else notice the similarities between this post and MHK's style? LOL, well, heck, I mighta mentioned that an hour ago or so. > By the way, Greg is a lawyer... isn't that pretty much what they're taught > to do? Really? My closest friends are all lawyers, I sail with them every Tuesday, I've never found them to be jerks. ;-pPpPpP Gee Greg must have a pretty busy successful practive to have all this time to flame me here. I wonder which client he is billing for all this "net research" time. ;-) Before he flames me back - I do have SOME free time today - although admingly not as much as I need to keep up here > Did anyone else notice the similarities between this post and MHK's style? Who is MHK? > > By the way, Greg is a lawyer... isn't that pretty much what they're taught > > to do? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Who is MHK? That's mostly irrelevant. The word on the street is that he isn't coming back so you might be lucky enough to not have to deal with his spamming (at least, that's probably how Greg looks at it). > > > By the way, Greg is a lawyer... isn't that pretty much what they're > taught [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > back so you might be lucky enough to not have to deal with his spamming (at > least, that's probably how Greg looks at it). By the way, if you really want to know about MHK, go to groups.google.com on the internet and search through rec.scuba for MHK. You'll find everything you want to know there. > By the way, if you really want to know about MHK, go to groups.google.com on > the internet and search through rec.scuba for MHK. You'll find everything > you want to know there. Are you kidding me? There were like 29,100 hits with that search. Oh wait. Michael H Kane right.... Hmmm..... Well hard to tell what's true and what's not but it all seems ligit. Balls galore when it comes to diving cold water with no hood (A man after a Canadian's Heart) Thought I saw something about him living in New York, but found an California address instead. If it's the California guy - TONS of dive experience Something about offering up $10k for some lawsuit somewhere (ok - that might get you throught court room doors)... Read something about him being a successfull accountant Gives lectures. Seems very well respected in the dive community. I admit some confusion - either I've got the wrong guy or I am missing something. I was expecting to find someone that every hated and booted outta here, but that doesn't seem to be the case. > > By the way, if you really want to know about MHK, go to groups.google.com > on [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Gives lectures. > Seems very well respected in the dive community. That sounds about right... I never really paid him enough attention to be able to say. He had a tendency to "advertise" his dive training here. Some people didn't appreciate it. Many people didn't care. IIRC, he said that he really didn't get much business from it, which made me wonder why he insisted on doing it. Oh well... > I admit some confusion - either I've got the wrong guy or I am missing > something. I was expecting to find someone that every hated and booted outta > here, but that doesn't seem to be the case. There are few people here that are truly hated. Probably the closest I've heard of is Black, but that seemed to be by a specific group of individuals and was definitely before my time (here). Scuba Bobby got some real nasty treatment here too and there was a good deal of animosity towards someone named Angel. Other than that, everyone here is pretty much just pricks to everyone else, but we get along fairly well anyway (especially when we meet in person... or so I've been told). > named Angel. Other than that, everyone here is pretty much just pricks to > everyone else, but we get along fairly well anyway (especially when we meet > in person... or so I've been told). Meeting people from here in person... hell.. I'd rather suck on rusty nails. I enjoy some banter just as much as the next guy - but that almost seems like suicide to me haha. > > named Angel. Other than that, everyone here is pretty much just pricks to > > everyone else, but we get along fairly well anyway (especially when we [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I enjoy some banter just as much as the next guy - but that almost seems > like suicide to me haha. Actually, there was a recent trip to Florida that a good many of the people here got together for. It was just last month IIRC. Dive with Greg became the unofficial title of it. From what I understand they all had a great time (unfortunately, I couldn't make it). I've can't say that I've ever heard of a bad meeting between rec.scubans, but I hear all the time about meetings where both parties had a great time (and generally ended up at least partially inebriated). :-) C Guynn > > named Angel. Other than that, everyone here is pretty much just pricks to > > everyone else, but we get along fairly well anyway (especially when we [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I enjoy some banter just as much as the next guy - but that almost seems > like suicide to me haha. For you, at this point, it almost certainly would be. Dave. > > Actually - you may make a good negotiator in life. I > > see you deftly ignore the points you can't argue on and fabricate or [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > By the way, Greg is a lawyer... isn't that pretty much what they're taught > to do? What, provide entertainment? > > > Actually - you may make a good negotiator in life. I > > > see you deftly ignore the points you can't argue on and fabricate or [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > What, provide entertainment? precisely... > > > > Actually - you may make a good negotiator in life. I > > > > see you deftly ignore the points you can't argue on and fabricate or [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > precisely... Expensive entertainment if he charges like most lawyers. But this seems to be becoing spam for Gregs law business... can we gang up on Greg the Legal Business Spammer? rhys > You know...there is a world outside of rec.scuba. > When I was talking about samples and shareware and the like - I was > referring to life in general - a life outside of rec.scuba Very good. Now put it together. It's OK to advertise your product in general - outside of rec.scuba. > Good point on the costco thing - I'll give you that. It has been a while > since I walked through a costco and sampled anything, but I would still not > forsake the opportunity to sample something that I was truly interested > in... can't live life in a cotton ball you know. Good for you. I'm simply not interested in sampling something that gives me a high risk of contracting a food-borne illness. Unless I'm drunk. I eat all sorts of weird sh.t when I'm drunk. But I'm not usually drunk when I'm shopping at Costco. Maybe that's what I'm missing. All the other shoppers are drunk and that's why they don't notice when their bratty butt-pickin' kids touch all the free food samples. > It's not spam - there's no commercial enterprise at the website. It's just > free software for scuba instructors. No catch, no lures and no bait and > switch. 1) The home page solicits donations: "The software is free, but any and all donations are appreciated and will go towards maintaining the website, ensuring everyone gets free support, and will pave the way for future upgrades and feature additions." 2) The home page provides a link to PADI's commercial website along with a suggestion to visit it, and you just so happen to be a PADI instructor. 3) The home page boasts that you have created another product "which you are invited to check out as well." 4) You have since changed the Products page to eliminate the commercial product, obviously in response to my complaints. I appreciate that I am able to pull your strings all the way from here, but you haven't gone far enough yet for my taste. See #1-3, above, and #5, below. 5) The Services page advertises your services as a dive instructor and computer programmer, neither of which is fr |
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