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Brian - 09 Nov 2004 14:42 GMT
Over the last couple of weeks there have been posts by people
wondering why there are so few items dealing with scuba.  The original
posters have been blasted by the very people who are clogging up this
usegroup with their seemingly endless replies on topics that have
nothing to do with diving. They have put down these innocent
observations (sometimes in the foul language that typifies their other
irrelevant posts), arguing this this is a place where scuba devotees
can talk about anything they want.  Some of these people are the same
individuls who act as guardians of rec.scuba and pour vitriol on a
poster for spamming a scuba product.  Well quite frankly spamming a
scuba product is infinately more prefereable in this group rather than
the uninformed blather about Bush.  If you want to indulge in
so-called discussions on non scuba topics I would respectfully suggest
you go to any one of hundreds of other sites where you can vent
yourself.
Scott - 09 Nov 2004 14:52 GMT
<yawn>

Oh good, another liberal who's cheerios got pissed in, telling us all what
to say or do.

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Popeye NCAT3 - 09 Nov 2004 15:24 GMT
>From: slack708@yahoo.com  (Brian)

>Over the last couple of weeks there have been posts by people
>wondering why there are so few items dealing with scuba.

 Actually, it happens continually year round, since last century.

 Whiny, bloated little pussies with cramps and water retention problems.

>The original posters have been blasted by the very people who are clogging up
this
>usegroup with their seemingly endless replies on topics that have
>nothing to do with diving.

 Like this post, for instance?

>They have put down these innocent
>observations (sometimes in the foul language that typifies their other
>irrelevant posts), arguing this this is a place where scuba devotees
>can talk about anything they want.

 Which is true, except for your erronous assumption that the inquiries are
innocent or polite.

>Some of these people are the same
>individuls who act as guardians of rec.scuba and pour vitriol on a
>poster for spamming a scuba product.  Well quite frankly spamming a
>scuba product is infinately more prefereable in this group rather than
>the uninformed blather about Bush.

 Luckily, since we're not moderated, you can express the type of opinion, such
as this, that you would, of course, deny us.

> If you want to indulge in
>so-called discussions on non scuba topics I would respectfully suggest
>you go to any one of hundreds of other sites where you can vent
>yourself.

 I like this one, snug as a bug in a rug.

 What response were you expecting?

 "Oh, wait, Brian, of course you're right. Give us ten minutes, and the people
who have collectively been posting here for several hundred years will get this
place cleaned out spic and span, JUST THE WAY YOU WANT IT."

 Or that Rhode Island fuquit Tom, who needs the protection of moderators to
find his own zipper.

 As for scuba participation, I just got back from a tri-state trip to dive
with a fellow Rec.scuban, one of the 70+ I've met or dived with, in 9 states.
Off the top of my head, I'd say it was my 50th newsgroup dive.

 I'm planning a weeklong Keys trip as we speak, where I may dive with a dozen
of my friends (including two I've known for years and never met) in an 400 mile
spree across Florida.

 Go to Google Advanced Group Search.

 Type "Rec.scuba" in group, "Popeye" in author, sort by date.

 When your number of posts here surpasses that, and when you've been diving
with as many members as me, as many times as I have, in as many places, I might
consider letting you tell me what to post in -my- motherfuckin newsgroup.

 While you're waiting, run up a list for us of all the scuba questions you've
asked here.

 And did you have one this time, or would you just sh.t in your hat?

     

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Esa Laitinen - 09 Nov 2004 20:25 GMT
> consider letting you tell me what to post in -my- motherfuckin newsgroup.

Bruhahaha!

You do have a sense of humor, don't you?

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Popeye NCAT3 - 09 Nov 2004 21:21 GMT
>From: Esa Laitinen punkki@suespammers.org
>Date: 11/9/2004 3:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>You do have a sense of humor, don't you?

  Better to have a sense of humor than a lack of geopolitical reality like
you.

  When was your last newsgroup dive, Esa?
     

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Esa Laitinen - 09 Nov 2004 23:11 GMT
>    When was your last newsgroup dive, Esa?

If you mean "with people participating in scuba newsgroups", last
weekend. If you mean "organized via newsgroup", 5 years ago.

Raising two kids and organizing diving-related activities for a dive
club tends to limit the amount of time available for additional diving.

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Michael Wolf - 10 Nov 2004 08:30 GMT
>>    When was your last newsgroup dive, Esa?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Raising two kids and organizing diving-related activities for a dive
> club tends to limit the amount of time available for additional diving.

I know what you mean.

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Popeye NCAT3 - 10 Nov 2004 11:39 GMT
>From: Esa Laitinen punkki@suespammers.org
>Date: 11/9/2004 6:11 PM Eastern Standard Time
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Raising two kids and organizing diving-related activities for a dive
>club tends to limit the amount of time available for additional diving.

 I meant, of course, with your fellow Rec.scubans?
     

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Esa Laitinen - 10 Nov 2004 12:25 GMT
>   I meant, of course, with your fellow Rec.scubans?
>        

Not too many Finns writing in here. By your definition, then, last time
was during the winter season 1999-2000, while I was living in California.

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Popeye NCAT3 - 10 Nov 2004 18:47 GMT
>From: Esa Laitinen punkki@suespammers.org
>Date: 11/10/2004 7:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Not too many Finns writing in here. By your definition, then, last time
>was during the winter season 1999-2000, while I was living in California.

 So, absent any scuba posts, you're just another Euro-trash political
muck-raker.
     

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Esa Laitinen - 10 Nov 2004 22:04 GMT
>   So, absent any scuba posts, you're just another Euro-trash political
> muck-raker.

Well, my first posts in rec.scuba are from 1997, according to google.
Yours start from 1999 (unless you've changed your pseudonym).

I admit you're more active in this newsgroup. But, back in 1999, your
posts were much more on topic.

What happened, you redneck ignoramus you?

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Popeye NCAT3 - 10 Nov 2004 23:59 GMT
>From: Esa Laitinen punkki@suespammers.org

>Well, my first posts in rec.scuba are from 1997, according to google.
>Yours start from 1999 (unless you've changed your pseudonym).

 March of '98.

>What happened, you redneck ignoramus you?

 In a word?

 You.

 Two words?

 Euro-trash.

 We wouldn't be having this discussion, if you hadn't brought it here.
     

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Michael Wolf - 11 Nov 2004 01:44 GMT
>>From: Esa Laitinen punkki@suespammers.org
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>   We wouldn't be having this discussion, if you hadn't brought it here.

But think of all the fun we would be missing out on...

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Dillon Pyron - 11 Nov 2004 02:58 GMT
>>   So, absent any scuba posts, you're just another Euro-trash political
>> muck-raker.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>What happened, you redneck ignoramus you?

Damn Popeye, she got you good.

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Greg Mossman - 11 Nov 2004 03:07 GMT
>>What happened, you redneck ignoramus you?
>
> Damn Popeye, she got you good.

She?
Dillon Pyron - 11 Nov 2004 04:38 GMT
>>>What happened, you redneck ignoramus you?
>>
>> Damn Popeye, she got you good.
>
>She?

Speed typing when I had a Shiner Bock in one hand.  You should see how
well I do after I've filled the recyle bin.

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Alan Street - 11 Nov 2004 05:05 GMT
> >>>What happened, you redneck ignoramus you?
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Speed typing when I had a Shiner Bock in one hand.  You should see how
> well I do after I've filled the recyle bin.

Although I consider myself rather open minded, I have to say no
interest, absolutely none, in your ability to type one handed.

:-)
Greg Mossman - 11 Nov 2004 06:48 GMT
> ? Speed typing when I had a Shiner Bock in one hand.  You should see how
> ? well I do after I've filled the recyle bin.
>
> Although I consider myself rather open minded, I have to say no
> interest, absolutely none, in your ability to type one handed.

I do find it interesting, culturally-wise, that he refers to it as a Shiner
Bock.  The shine part is definitely old slang, but I've never heard the
regional bock instead of the usual word beginning with d and i.  Those
Texans are funny, naming their genitals after a wannabe microbrew that
tastes just like the nonsexually emitted genitaliar product.  I wonder why I
could start calling mine?  Hefe?  Anchor Steam?  Redhook?  Fat Tire?  The
women can always refer to theirs as Busch, of course.
Popeye NCAT3 - 11 Nov 2004 12:11 GMT
>From: Dillon Pyron

>>What happened, you redneck ignoramus you?
>
>Damn Popeye, she got you good.

 Is it a chick?

     

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Esa Laitinen - 11 Nov 2004 13:01 GMT
>   Is it a chick?

Nah. In real life nobody mistakes me for a chick.

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Dillon Pyron - 11 Nov 2004 18:57 GMT
>>   Is it a chick?
>
>Nah. In real life nobody mistakes me for a chick.

True, sorry.

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Matthias Voss - 10 Nov 2004 20:37 GMT
>>   I meant, of course, with your fellow Rec.scubans?
>>        
>
> Not too many Finns writing in here. By your definition, then, last time
> was during the winter season 1999-2000, while I was living in California.

By chance, are you eventually related to a Marjo Laitinen from Imatra?

Matthias
Esa Laitinen - 11 Nov 2004 11:23 GMT
> By chance, are you eventually related to a Marjo Laitinen from Imatra?

Possibly, but not likely. Laitinen is one of the most common familynames
in Finland (23rd in the statistics from the last year), there were 12960
of us on May 2003.

Sorry.

I can look her up if you wish, our summer cottage is about 100km away
from Imatra and we drive past the town every now and then.

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Matthias Voss - 11 Nov 2004 12:59 GMT
It was in the summer of 69...
Wild days, wild nights... I went from Germany with my 50cc motorcycle by
Helsinki, Lappeenranta, Imatra ( spectate the MC worldchampionship race,
than visiting a friend in Joensuu, then by Kuopia, Pudasjaervi, Lake
inari, to the Northcape.
And being towed back by my comrade on a Honda CB 125 the full 1400km to
Germany...

Matthias

>> By chance, are you eventually related to a Marjo Laitinen from Imatra?
>
> of us on May 2003.
> I can look her up if you wish, our summer cottage is about 100km away
> from Imatra and we drive past the town every now and then.
Esa Laitinen - 11 Nov 2004 21:34 GMT
> spectate the MC worldchampionship race,

Unfortunately Imatra no longer hosts the event. They were fun to go to,
especially when I managed to get the permit to go to the maintenance area...

> And being towed back by my comrade on a Honda CB 125 the full 1400km to
> Germany...

Ouch. But just attempting to do that trip on a 50cc bike is brave.

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Matthias Voss - 11 Nov 2004 23:27 GMT
>> spectate the MC worldchampionship race,
>
> Unfortunately Imatra no longer hosts the event. They were fun to go to,
> especially when I managed to get the permit to go to the maintenance
> area...

In Joensuu I became record holder in Darts at the local dancing hall ;-).
Indeed; I have been in the padocks at Nürburgring, Spa, Isle of Man.
Spectacular to be near to aces like Phil Read, Kel Caruthers, Jarno
Saarinen, Mike the Bike, Ago ( or have the symphony of sound of the
3-cylinder MV Agusta send you the chills down your backbone when it was
roaring through the Ardenne valleys)

>> And being towed back by my comrade on a Honda CB 125 the full 1400km
>> to Germany...
>
> Ouch. But just attempting to do that trip on a 50cc bike is brave.

Well, she was running 95 km/h ;-), once.
"Now" having been replaced by a 750cc Bmm R 69s/75/5 Metisse, and a
Yammi TR1.

Matthias
Hamburgler - 10 Nov 2004 14:30 GMT
> [i]
>
> Popeye
> The Greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing
> the world he didn't exist.   Kaiser Sose [/B]

He does, he posts on here doesn't he :-)

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Pete S. - 09 Nov 2004 17:09 GMT
>Over the last couple of weeks there have been posts by people
>wondering why there are so few items dealing with scuba.  The original
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>you go to any one of hundreds of other sites where you can vent
>yourself.

Well it is "Wreck Scuba"!

Once again all the septic based newsgroups have their heads so far up
their own arses they can't see the rest of the worlds point of veiw.

Pete S.
Popeye NCAT3 - 09 Nov 2004 17:39 GMT
>From: spamPetespam@spamderwentspamelec.spamclara.spamco.spamuk  (Pete S.)

>Once again all the septic based newsgroups have their heads so far up
>their own arses they can't see the rest of the worlds point of veiw.

 Of course that would include -your- usual contribution.

     

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Lee Bell - 09 Nov 2004 17:41 GMT
> Once again all the septic based newsgroups have their heads so far up
> their own arses they can't see the rest of the worlds point of veiw.

I once told an Aussie this, now I'll tell you.  The term septic is
offensive, a classic example of somebody that can't see the rest of the
world's point of view.

When I'm in UKRS, I try to fit into the culture there.  It would be nice if
those who visit here show us the same courtesy . . . well, perhaps courtesy
isn't the right word, but you get the idea.

Lee
Pete S. - 09 Nov 2004 22:11 GMT
>> Once again all the septic based newsgroups have their heads so far up
>> their own arses they can't see the rest of the worlds point of veiw.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>those who visit here show us the same courtesy . . . well, perhaps courtesy
>isn't the right word, but you get the idea.

Sorry Lee, I thought being rude and off topic DID fit in......

Pete s.
Lee Bell - 10 Nov 2004 00:04 GMT
>>> Once again all the septic based newsgroups have their heads so far up
>>> their own arses they can't see the rest of the worlds point of veiw.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>
> Sorry Lee, I thought being rude and off topic DID fit in......

Apology accepted.  You're right.  It does fit in.

Lee
FreeFloat - 09 Nov 2004 23:07 GMT
> When I'm in UKRS, I try to fit into the culture there.  It would be nice
> if those who visit here show us the same courtesy . . . well, perhaps
> courtesy isn't the right word, but you get the idea.
>
> Lee

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Michael Wolf - 10 Nov 2004 08:29 GMT
>>When I'm in UKRS, I try to fit into the culture there.  It would be nice
>>if those who visit here show us the same courtesy . . . well, perhaps
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

You mean the sex and decadence thing?

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Dillon Pyron - 11 Nov 2004 00:56 GMT
>>>When I'm in UKRS, I try to fit into the culture there.  It would be nice
>>>if those who visit here show us the same courtesy . . . well, perhaps
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>
>You mean the sex and decadence thing?

Drinking and eating.  Don't forget the drinking and eating.

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Dennis \(Icarus\) - 09 Nov 2004 18:30 GMT
> >Over the last couple of weeks there have been posts by people
> >wondering why there are so few items dealing with scuba.  The original
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Once again all the septic based newsgroups have their heads so far up
> their own arses they can't see the rest of the worlds point of veiw.

Have  you tried seeing ours? :-)

Dennis

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Lee Bell - 09 Nov 2004 17:36 GMT
> Over the last couple of weeks there have been posts by people
> wondering why there are so few items dealing with scuba.  The original
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> you go to any one of hundreds of other sites where you can vent
> yourself.

Talking about anything we want is not the same is spam.  We, the members of
this group, decided we could talk about things non diving.  You weren't
around then.  We, the members of this group, also decided that we don't want
spam.  You probably weren't around for that decision either . . . oh yes,
some of us decided that Jim Wyatt's trip and weather reports weren't quite
spaml.  They were close, but not quite over the edge.  A few thought
otherwise.  We shouted them down.

I know you think your suggestion is respectful.  I hope you understand that
we don't care.

You want to talk about diving, talk.  You want to talk about changing the
culture of this group, you're going to have to become a real member first.

Lee
Greg Mossman - 09 Nov 2004 20:09 GMT
> some of us decided that Jim Wyatt's trip and weather reports weren't quite
> spaml.  They were close, but not quite over the edge.  A few thought
> otherwise.  We shouted them down.

NO YOU DIDN'T!!!
Dennis \(Icarus\) - 09 Nov 2004 18:30 GMT
> Over the last couple of weeks there have been posts by people
> wondering why there are so few items dealing with scuba.  The original
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> you go to any one of hundreds of other sites where you can vent
> yourself.

Snd, if you don't find rec/scuba to your liking, feel free to go elsewhere.
:-)

Dennis
Joe English - 09 Nov 2004 19:05 GMT
> Over the last couple of weeks there have been posts by people
> wondering why there are so few items dealing with scuba.  The original
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> you go to any one of hundreds of other sites where you can vent
> yourself.

Wanna bet!
Grumman-581 - 09 Nov 2004 20:20 GMT
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Oh, gee... Another newbie... FRESH MEAT !!!

This is our bar... We like it this way... If you don't, go find yourself a
different bar or killfile those whose voice you don't like to hear... May I
volunteer to be the first in your killfile...
FreeFloat - 09 Nov 2004 23:09 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I
> volunteer to be the first in your killfile...

Yebbut if he killfiles everyone he doesn't want to hear from, it's gonna
seem awful quiet around here for him.....not that that's a BAD thing........
Jammer Six - 09 Nov 2004 20:27 GMT
> If you want to indulge in
> so-called discussions on non scuba topics I would respectfully suggest
> you go to any one of hundreds of other sites where you can vent
> yourself.

Silence, newbie.

We'll let you know when you have something to say.

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H. Huntzinger - 10 Nov 2004 12:14 GMT
> Over the last couple of weeks there have been posts by people
> wondering why there are so few items dealing with scuba.

The general motive of 'regulars' to any discussion group is because they
enjoy the dialog.  Enjoyment does not necessarily mean on-topic.

>  The original
> posters have been blasted by the very people who are clogging up this
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> irrelevant posts), arguing this this is a place where scuba devotees
> can talk about anything they want.

Yes, the culture here can be blunt.  There are some historical reasons
for it, but it has become further polarized by events, such as the
decisive National election (an example of some of the OT threads).  
Perhaps things will settle back down.  Hopefully.

> If you want to indulge in so-called discussions on non scuba
> topics I would respectfully suggest you go to any one of
> hundreds of other sites where you can vent yourself.

And the compliment can be said here too...if you want scuba discussions,
charity begins at home.  There's probably a lot of posters who would
really prefer to have a good scuba thread to discuss instead of the OT  
drivel.

So how about an introduction, Brian?   What kind of diving do you tend
to do, how long have you been diving, what do you like/dislike, etc?

-hh
Popeye NCAT3 - 18 Nov 2004 21:48 GMT
>From: slack708@yahoo.com  (Brian)

>Over the last couple of weeks there have been posts by people
>wondering why there are so few items dealing with scuba.  The original
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>irrelevant posts), arguing this this is a place where scuba devotees
>can talk about anything they want.

 Here's (below) an typical "innocent observation" to which you refer.

 Feel free to apologize at your convenience.

 When you do, take a few minutes and highlight some of the changes that have
taken place since your original post.

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this is the worste SCUBA forum I have ever seen.  You are all f.cking
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boy you guys are quick.  I cant compete with your wit.  I have browsed
through here many times looking for info but all I finds is ranting.
Wish they would take this sh.t off deeperblue.  

They should change the name here to recbitchandmoan instead of rec
scuba.

You guys need to get out and dive more.

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