I have several times gotten email purportedly from scuba retail stores in
various third world countries wanting to purchase scuba equipment to be
shipped to them and paid with credit cards. Now, I know this is a scam of
some kind, but I am curious as to how it might work. Here is the latest
attempt:
"Good day sales,
i will like to purchase some of your products and i
want you to mail me the cost of shipping international
to my store in lagos nigeria via Global express(EMS
3-5 days) and i would be paying with my credit card
please i would also need your feedback concerning my
enquiry and i will be paying for all shipping of the
order.
thanks..
NB:i will like to know if you sell in small or large"
Has anyone on the NG seen this con played out?
Just Curious.

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Grumman-581 - 02 Nov 2004 20:22 GMT
Usually the Nigeria scams deal with checks... They'll pay with a bogus check
above the purchase price (for some bogus reason) and then expect a check
from you for the difference in overpayment... I suspect similar things could
be done with credit cards... Personally, I would be suspect of *anything*
originating in Nigeria...
A quick search via Google for [nigeria "credit card" scam] returned this
(among others):
http://blog.glennf.com/archives/003809.html
Basically, if it smells fishy, it probably is...
bp's no spam address - 02 Nov 2004 21:50 GMT
Typical Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud. They'll send you a bogus cashiers
check and expect you Western Union cash back for their "shippers". The
check will bounce later. A lot of banks recognize these fake checks now.
For the humour in all this see http://www.419eater.com
-bp
> I have several times gotten email purportedly from scuba retail stores in
> various third world countries wanting to purchase scuba equipment to be
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> Has anyone on the NG seen this con played out?
> Just Curious.
Jammer Six - 03 Nov 2004 00:58 GMT
> Has anyone on the NG seen this con played out?
[snicker]

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bp's no spam address - 03 Nov 2004 15:32 GMT
I strung along one 419er, he even eventually called me through a AT&T TDD
Relay. (phone-for-the-deaf-terminal). He "promised" my check was in the
mails about 4 weeks in a row, guess the authoritise were on them pretty
good. I never got his fake check, and finally stopped hearing from his
most "urgent requests". He also went through 2 email address in that
time.
> > Has anyone on the NG seen this con played out?
>
> [snicker]
Lee Bell - 03 Nov 2004 03:16 GMT
>I have several times gotten email purportedly from scuba retail stores in
> various third world countries wanting to purchase scuba equipment to be
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Has anyone on the NG seen this con played out?
> Just Curious.
Not too hard to figure out. It's not his credit card.
Scott - 03 Nov 2004 03:20 GMT
> Not too hard to figure out. It's not his credit card.
<BIG, WET, SLAP>
But, hey, I got some sh.t I need to sell...
Earlwin - 03 Nov 2004 09:26 GMT
We run a hydraulic parts business, and according to our credit card
merchant services, you should watch out for Indonesian buyers, because
they've had experience from those jokers. These buyers are usually
fake, or use stolen cards. I don't know how true it, because it's all
hearsay from their customer support.
weezle - 03 Nov 2004 10:08 GMT
Hi
They will want stuff fast and usually a couple of thousand's worth of stuff
they can easily sell on
The card (numbers) will go through the machine then after you've sent the
stuff, be rejected by the credit card company, we had one attempt from the
Far East but checked it out with the card company before sending & the name
& where they lived didn't add up to the delivery address.
Some poor soul had his card stolen while on holiday & they were milking it
before it came up as a declined transaction.
If we hadn't taken advice, we'd have been caught out, I hope this helps
someone else
Hilary
>I have several times gotten email purportedly from scuba retail stores in
> various third world countries wanting to purchase scuba equipment to be
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> Has anyone on the NG seen this con played out?
> Just Curious.
Nobody - 03 Nov 2004 14:35 GMT
Just so you'all know just how bad it can get, I was selling a large
rotational molding machine and received an inquiry from an Egyptian
rotomolding company. Someone in the industry clued me in to them, so to
insure that I wouldn't get burned, I required an irrevocable letter of
credit. However, even with those, it can be possible to not get paid,
depending upon the way the letter is set up and the requirements for Proof
of Delivery, etc.
Fortunately my bank advised that, while they could handle the transaction,
they were not expert and advised that I use a bank that deals with this
stuff every day. After the bank set up the conditions for the L.O.C.,
using an intermediary clearing bank, the Egyptian company realized that
their funds would not come back to them, no way, no how, and I never heard
from them again.
Moral of the story: a little knowledge can be dangerous, and it's NEVER a
sale until the check clears.
PS> be careful with wire transfers and giving out your bank account number!
Bart F.
> I have several times gotten email purportedly from scuba retail stores in
> various third world countries wanting to purchase scuba equipment to be
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> Has anyone on the NG seen this con played out?
> Just Curious.

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RayC - 04 Nov 2004 08:43 GMT
> Has anyone on the NG seen this con played out?
> Just Curious.
These are just simple credit card stolen numbers. I sell
compressors all over the world and got bit by one of these
deals a couple of years ago. I called my processing center
to get the purchase approved, got the money and shipped the
goods. Almost 60 days later, I got contacted by my credit
card processor to supply all the pertinent information along
with copies of shipping info. After another 30 days, they
determined that it was a stolen card number and charged my
account back for the full amount. Since I only make around
10%, I was out over $6000!
While Mastercard says that the credit card holder is covered
from fraudulent use, they screw the merchants to cover these
losses! I am still trying to fight this.
Don't take any card for more than you can afford to lose
without calling the issuing bank and verifying the ownership
of the account first.
Just my $.02

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Grumman-581 - 04 Nov 2004 10:38 GMT
> After another 30 days, they determined that it was
> a stolen card number and charged my account back
> for the full amount.
That's rather f.cked up... It would seem that if they are approving the card
number, it means that they guarantee it is valid and it should be their
problem if turns out bad... Now, that seems *right*, but they probably have
some bogus fineprint that probably ensures that they never get left holding
the bag with the merchants...
chilly - 04 Nov 2004 13:24 GMT
> > After another 30 days, they determined that it was
> > a stolen card number and charged my account back
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> some bogus fineprint that probably ensures that they never get left holding
> the bag with the merchants...
Yeah, and it only costs us a usurous amount of interest.
Grumman-581 - 04 Nov 2004 13:38 GMT
> Yeah, and it only costs us a usurous amount of interest.
Only if you don't pay your credit card bill in full at the end of each
month... I *never* carry a balance going from one month to the next and we
probably charge around $3-4K every month...
Karl Denninger - 04 Nov 2004 15:27 GMT
>> Yeah, and it only costs us a usurous amount of interest.
>
>Only if you don't pay your credit card bill in full at the end of each
>month... I *never* carry a balance going from one month to the next and we
>probably charge around $3-4K every month...
Merchant agreements make "card not present" transactions entirely at
risk of the merchant. You can reduce the risk by using AVS, but even then
there is no guarantee.
The degree of protection you have if the card is physically present varies
as well. In most cases, if you have the physical card present (swiped) AND
the security code (the non-embossed 3 or 4 digit number on the card) you're
reasonably-well protected.
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