Alan,

Normally I would agree entirely. In this case the email was one I
consider singularly inappropriate, and it was sent *bcc* to, according
to the email itself, "many"  rec.scubans. Since it was bcc'd, this is
the only forum I have to reach both the sender and all the recipients.

Mike
http://www.corestore.org

'The avalanche has already started
It is too late for the pebbles to vote'

Alan... at first when I read Mike's post, I assumed that I sent him
the email as part of the BCC.  But after checking my list, I didn't !!
So I suppose that since Mike received it from someone else, he
thought he'd share here.
BTW, thank you for saying that email is private. I agree and I
appreciate you stating the same thoughts, even though I suspect that
you probably think the nature of my email was too harsh.  Thank you to
Lee and Curtis all for the same.

Alan-

Alan, I don't think you know the whole story here.  I was also offended by
the crude trash email that she bcc'd ( in her own words ) "to many of the
rec.scuba group".

I was just going to ignore the email, but I'm glad someone brought it up.

Chris

Lee... several ppl emailed me in reply. Some commented on my email to
the extent of saying "no" or "sounds like an ok idea".  Others did not
comment about the email at all but chose to use it to facilitate a
'hey, how ya been?' kind of exchange. It's a shame that Mike decided
to post a reply to the NG. I agree that he shouldn't have but no
matter. What's really a shame is that someone felt it necessary to
send the email to Kimber. She and I will discuss it. No worries and I
certainly don't see this issue as a big deal.

Email sent to me is not deemed confidential.   Here is the repost that she
bcc'd to me:

Hi all,

You are receiving this as part of a blind CC email to many of the
rec.scuba
group.  You may have received an email from a friend asking you to
donate
money to Kimber to help her out with expenses that she has now in light
of
Mickey's  (Airhog)  death.  I have received the email and I've pondered
over
it.  The outcome of my pondering is that I find sending money directly
to
Kimber is something that I do not wish to do.

Kimber herself posted Mick's obituary where she says ...

"Family-Placed Death Notice
Mickey Charles Smith, age 35, of Lawrenceville passed away on October
25, 2003. He is survived by his wife, Kimberly D. Smith, children,
Robert Smith, Logan Thurman, Kylia Thurman, all of Lawrenceville, GA;
mother and step father, Linda and David Crow of Snellville, GA; sister,
Tina Smith of Snellville, GA; uncle, Lannie Parker of Cumming, GA. His
twin brother from a different mother, Popeye, his family at Rec. Scuba,
several aunts and uncles. A memorial service will be held on November
1, 2003 at 11:00 A.M. at Grace Fellowship Church, with Rev. Randy
Rainwater officiating. In lieu of flowers, memorials can be made to
NSS-Cave Diving Section, 2109 W. US 90, Suite 317, Lake City, FL 32055.
Wages & Sons Gwinnett Chapel, 1031 Lawrenceville Highway,
Lawrenceville, 770-277-4550.
Published in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on 10/30/2003."

Note that in the obit above, the family feels donations to the National
Speleological Society , Cave Diving Section would be just fine.

I saw where Kimber posted to her blog on her website that she would
need to
ask ppl on the internet for money because she couldn't afford to pay
for
Mickey's obituary or the copies of his death certificate.  The obit is
always a free service of the funeral home / cremation facility.  There
is no
charge for it.  And the government gives you quite a few copies of the
death
certificate for free.  10 free copies in PA and 10 free copies in NC.
I
imagine that GA is probably similar and if Hog didn't own much, there
would
be no need for more than the free amount given. So she doesn't have to
pay
for that either.  I guess she was just so overwhelmed with the death,
the
services, her upcoming flight to Seattle that she didn't realize this.
I
would guess that Mickey's mother, step-father, sister and uncle will
help
with the funeral expense and I imagine that they would act as most
other
families would in this situation.  At any rate, let's get past the
obvious
draws for money that Kimber could have, ie. her 2 kids assuming that
the
father of those kids pays child support, ect.

Hog openly admitted that his rude, crude insulting behavior on the net
was
much in part due to the fact that he had an alcohol abuse problem and a
mental disorder.  I believe both he and Kimber stated he had Biplar
Disorder. He was apparently seeking treatment for his problems and was
on
psychotropic medication, which did tone down the nastiness of his posts
from
time to time.

In the rec.scuba chat room, one person that he treated especially rude
and
with absolutely no reason was George. George is a volunteer worker at
The
National Aquarium in Baltimore. For me, Hog's rude behavior toward
George
holds a special significance because it's part of the reason that I
kicked
and banned him and Kimber from the chat channel, causing a mass exodus
from
the channel itself.  This, in turn caused many other events that lead
up to
Jack Farmer eventually kicking them from his channel and closing his
channel
down entirely... which then lead them to come to Efnet to try to start
problems there, etc, etc.  Actually... that's of little consequence but
Hog's attitude toward George is not.

I've decided that, since Hog was trying to change.... trying to see a
psychiatrist and take medication and abstain from alcohol ...so that he
could become a nicer person on the internet,  then IMHO,  Hog would
appreciate the donation plan that I propose.

I am going to call The National Aquarium in Baltimore on Monday and ask
to
speak to the Donor Relations Coordinator.  I intend to donate money to
the
aquarium in Mickey's name.  Hog was nasty to George in life but now we
can
have Hog being nice to George in a round about way by having the
aquarium
that George works for benefit by donations in Hog's name.  I think this
is
an excellent means of karma.

At first, I was going to see if I could send my donation to  "The
Mickey C
Smith Memorial Fund".   But after some thought,  I decided that I would
prefer to call it.... "Mickey's Salute To George Fund".  It's different
and
to the point of fact. I also intend to ask if my donation can go
directly
toward the shark exhibit.

You can go to this URL to check out the aquarium :
http://www.aqua.org

I hope you might consider a donation to The National Aquarium.  If you
can't
afford much, give five dollars. It's tax-deductible.  :)

Thank you for your time.

~Barb Ferrante,  aka  Salty~

Jack, how about shutting the f.ck up!

Keep private email private!

Curtis

I will not address the email with you here Jack.  But I will address
the following comments you made :

Who's was it Jack ??  Please don't say that you put it up and then
backed off from it. That's not a fact because you had the ultimate say
in everything that happened there from the time it opened until the
time it closed. We didn't.  You did.  That makes it YOUR channel,
Jack.

Your #3 point conflicts with your #2 point. It also conflicts with an
email that you sent to John Francis and I and then found necessary to
post here publicly to the NG. I'm speaking of this one below.  Hog's
reply to you follows.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=3E8CE262.4080705%40ma
il.thecrusaderbbs.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26
q%3Djack%2Bfarmer%2Byou%2Bwere%2Bright%2B%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch

From: Jack Farmer (jacknospam@mail.thecrusaderbbs.com)
Subject: [Fwd: Jack Farmer and cross posting bullshit]
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Date: 2003-04-04 01:38:52 PST


Well you two were RIGHT I was wrong. I should have listened to ya way
back when. From here on out neither Hog or Kimber will be allowed any
op
privileges on any server I'm running.

I hate the idea of having to put in rules BUT this is what happens I
guess when ya let it run it's self.

Neither Hog NOR Kimber have been speaking for anyone but themselves on
any discussions they may have had with you.
<snipped>
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From: AirHog (mickey@tekdiveguy.com)
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Jack Farmer and cross posting bullshit]
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Date: 2003-04-04 04:07:54 PST

When I get to the computers I can do it from I will post logs of your
PM's
from Kimber and myself Jack and prove you to a bumbling liar.  I will
make
one post maybe two, truly showing your level of imcompetance and then
I
will address your server no more.

As quite frankly, based on your traffic since day one--not many around
here
give two f.cks about your room

You misunderstood someone the other day in a chat that lead to all of
this--you flip flop and fly on people who you have gone out of your
way to
try to tget to be your friend.

You were a jackass to post what you did about Rich.
You were a jackass for f.cking with all those bots
You were a jackass in misunderstanding a statement.
You were a jackass for posting all the sh.t about the server.

You are a jackass for general purposes.

AirHog
--------

Jack... you'll never get off the fence, will you ?? It's really a
shame.
~Salty, CID~