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Cor Bosman - 03 Nov 2003 00:23 GMT
Hi all, im looking at buying a pelican case (possibly the 1610 or 1620)
and am wondering about a few things.

For one, is there any problem taking these on international airlines?
The case itself seems to be quite heavy already.

Second, do you think I could fit both a full Nikonos V kit and a
Subal D100 (SLR) Housing? Thats 4 flashes, Nikon V with 15 and 35mm,
close up kits, Subal D10, D100 Camera, 4 lenses (12-24, 24-85, 60, 80-300).
(and I need to add some more stuff as well, like an olympus om1.. but thats
not that important).

Also, any information on security? Especially with regards to insane US
checks. (I was warned before on a suitcase that they would cut off the locks)

Regards,

Cor
Toto - 03 Nov 2003 00:52 GMT
Tiewraps
or
Wire ties

Toto

> Hi all, im looking at buying a pelican case (possibly the 1610 or 1620)
> and am wondering about a few things.
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>
> Cor
Alan Street - 03 Nov 2003 00:57 GMT
>Hi all, im looking at buying a pelican case (possibly the 1610 or 1620)
>and am wondering about a few things.
>
>For one, is there any problem taking these on international airlines?
>The case itself seems to be quite heavy already.

As carry-on or checked baggage? As carry on I think it's way too big. As
checked baggage it's fine, but you're right, it's heavy and will be heavier
still fully loaded. Expect to pay some overweight charges, which many serious
U/W photographers are used to already.

>Second, do you think I could fit both a full Nikonos V kit and a
>Subal D100 (SLR) Housing? Thats 4 flashes, Nikon V with 15 and 35mm,
>close up kits, Subal D10, D100 Camera, 4 lenses (12-24, 24-85, 60, 80-300).
>(and I need to add some more stuff as well, like an olympus om1.. but thats
>not that important).

It's probably big enough. If nothing else, you can discard the foam and wrap
each piece individually in bubble wrap or thin foam, although I don't think
that will be necessary with the amount of equipment you've described

>Also, any information on security? Especially with regards to insane US
>checks. (I was warned before on a suitcase that they would cut off the locks)

I don't think you'll have any problem with security, although you're right
about the locks. If a screener wants to look inside and you're not there to
unlock the case, they'll cut the locks or not let the case get on the plane.
All the times this has happened to me, I've been with the case and was able to
open it without any problem. Also, I personally don't put much faith in any
kind of luggage lock. Instead, I use a tamper evident sealing method that let's
me know if the bag has been opened. Colored zip ties work well, as would a thin
sticker that breaks when the cover is opened. Luggage locks aren't going to
stop a practiced thief, but being able to show that your case has been opened
in your absence will help with any theft claim you have to make.

Alan

>Regards,
>
>Cor
Cor Bosman - 03 Nov 2003 11:46 GMT
>>Hi all, im looking at buying a pelican case (possibly the 1610 or 1620)
>>and am wondering about a few things.
>>
>>For one, is there any problem taking these on international airlines?
>>The case itself seems to be quite heavy already.

>As carry-on or checked baggage? As carry on I think it's way too big. As
>checked baggage it's fine, but you're right, it's heavy and will be heavier
>still fully loaded. Expect to pay some overweight charges, which many serious
>U/W photographers are used to already.

It would be checked ofcourse. I already check all my equipment anyways,
but until now in regular suitcases, carefully wrapped. But im hesitant to
put the SLR housing in regular luggage.

Ive also wondered about the implicit 'steal me' sign that pelican cases
represent (as someone else mentioned). I was thinking of putting some
large stickers on it like 'Pedigree Pal Samples' or somesuch. Not that
it would help much, but all bits help :) Im only going to use this case
for international travel in airplane, so if it's going to be stolen it's
by airline employees.

Cor
Alan Street - 03 Nov 2003 18:40 GMT
>>>Hi all, im looking at buying a pelican case (possibly the 1610 or 1620)
>>>and am wondering about a few things.
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>for international travel in airplane, so if it's going to be stolen it's
>by airline employees.

I don't think the stickers will help. Pelican cases, regardless of what
stickers are on them, essentially say to the world, "what's in me is delicate
and expensive. If you're looking for something to steal, here's a good place to
look." Do your best to guard against theft, but accept the reality that camera
gear is always going to be a target.

"international travel in an airplane."  Dude, you live in the Netherlands. For
you, *all* airplane travel is international :-).
David - 07 Nov 2003 21:31 GMT
put one of those "biomedical waste" stickers on it.  j/k

david
> >>Hi all, im looking at buying a pelican case (possibly the 1610 or 1620)
> >>and am wondering about a few things.
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>
> Cor
Grumman-581 - 03 Nov 2003 08:52 GMT
On 03 Nov 2003 00:23:41 GMT, Cor Bosman <cor@xs4all.nl> wrote ...
>Hi all, im looking at buying a pelican case (possibly the 1610 or 1620)
>and am wondering about a few things.

Nothing says stealing like a Pelican case... I've heard that some
photographers use Igloo coolers for their cameras when they have them
in their car because no one thinks there would be anything worth
stealing in one of them if they see it through the window...
Sven - 03 Nov 2003 15:47 GMT
> Hi all, im looking at buying a pelican case (possibly the 1610 or 1620)
> and am wondering about a few things.
>
> For one, is there any problem taking these on international airlines?
> The case itself seems to be quite heavy already.

I think the Pelican comes in at 20 lbs empty, the Underwater Kinetics
comes in at 22 lbs empty. That doesn't leave much for the contents.

-Sven
jim frei - 04 Nov 2003 03:40 GMT
> Hi all, im looking at buying a pelican case (possibly the 1610 or 1620)
> and am wondering about a few things.
>
> For one, is there any problem taking these on international airlines?
> The case itself seems to be quite heavy already.

I use one for my "fragile" dive gear.  Last month, at RDU, the AA agent
wanted to charge me cause it weighed 63 pounds.  I tried to argue, that
since my other bag was only 24 pounds, then why the charge?  my two bags
were less than 100 pounds total.  The agent insisted on the overweight
charge.  I said fukit - took out my regs and 'puter, the weight dropped to
49 lbs - no charge.  I roll my stuff over to the xray machine, put the stuff
back in the case, open the lock for the TSA drone - everything passes
thru...my stuff arrives when I do.   No extra charge!

oh yeah - the 1610 already weighs about 10 pounds. empty. its heavy.

Signature

jim frei
http://stormwatergroup.com

chilly - 04 Nov 2003 03:53 GMT
> I use one for my "fragile" dive gear.  Last month, at RDU, the AA agent
> wanted to charge me cause it weighed 63 pounds.  I tried to argue, that
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> back in the case, open the lock for the TSA drone - everything passes
> thru...my stuff arrives when I do.   No extra charge!

When returning from Florida last month, my large checkin bag weighted 53
pounds.  The agent was quite willing to let me move 3 pounds of stuff into
my other small checkin bag.  However, I'd already put zip ties on my bags.
She tried two different sets of scissors, neither of which would cut the
ties.  As the line continued to form behind me, she finally, said, "never
mind, it's a freebie today".

I gotta remember that for the future.  Keep in mind though, you want to make
sure you've got to the airport in plenty of time, for that kind of nonsense.

;^)
Rich Lockyer - 05 Nov 2003 07:06 GMT
>Also, any information on security? Especially with regards to insane US
>checks. (I was warned before on a suitcase that they would cut off the locks)

They WILL cut off locks.  Don't bother.

I have one of the big roller Peli's... bought it for vacationing,
figuring that I'd use my Akona roller for local trips where I will be
the only one handling the bag.

Used it for ONE vacation, March '02.
Not anymore.
The Peli' weigh's close to 30 pounds by itself.  With my gear loaded,
it barely cleared the OLD 70 pound limit.

MOST airlines are now limiting to two checked bags, 50 pounds per bag.
My dive gear now flies in a regular semi-hardsided American Tourister.
Splitting the gear properly gives me a week's worth of clothing in 38
and 45 pound check-ins plus a carry-on.

 --- Rich
 http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Sven - 05 Nov 2003 15:55 GMT
> MOST airlines are now limiting to two checked bags, 50 pounds per bag.
> My dive gear now flies in a regular semi-hardsided American Tourister.
> Splitting the gear properly gives me a week's worth of clothing in 38
> and 45 pound check-ins plus a carry-on.

Which unfortunately brings up a somewhat diving related topic. Hope the
BCC-quarrel crowd doesn't mind.

Most resorts don't have bathroom scales. Packing a bathroom scale would
eat up precious weight. The solution would seem to be to get a fish
weighing scale that you could hang from a door jamb to weigh the bags
when trying to distribute the weight on the trip back home.

I went looking for such scales and most of them cost more than the
overweight penalty charge. Any suggestions for more reasonably priced
models that may not be accurate to the ounce but good enough to be
within a pound or so ?

Thanks,

-Sven
Chris Guynn - 05 Nov 2003 19:57 GMT
> > MOST airlines are now limiting to two checked bags, 50 pounds per bag.
> > My dive gear now flies in a regular semi-hardsided American Tourister.
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> models that may not be accurate to the ounce but good enough to be
> within a pound or so ?

How about this:
http://www.basspro-shops.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=13327&hvarDept=10
0&hvarEvent=&hvarClassCode=11&hvarSubCode=1&hvarTarget=browse


> Thanks,
>
> -Sven
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 06 Nov 2003 06:03 GMT
Sven <probably_spam@mail.grenander.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Which unfortunately brings up a somewhat diving related topic. Hope the
:BCC-quarrel crowd doesn't mind.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
:models that may not be accurate to the ounce but good enough to be
:within a pound or so ?

Weigh it at home before you leave.

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 06 Nov 2003 06:02 GMT
Rich Lockyer <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:MOST airlines are now limiting to two checked bags, 50 pounds per bag.
:My dive gear now flies in a regular semi-hardsided American Tourister.
:Splitting the gear properly gives me a week's worth of clothing in 38
:and 45 pound check-ins plus a carry-on.

I manage a week's worth of dive gear and clothes in about 40 lbs.  

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
rnf2 - 06 Nov 2003 06:46 GMT
> I manage a week's worth of dive gear and clothes in about 40 lbs.

How often do you change your Y-fronts? 40 pounds doesn't sounds very
hygenic.
;)

rhys
Dan Bracuk, CTHD - 07 Nov 2003 02:16 GMT
"rnf2" <rnf2@NOSPAMwaikato.ac.nz> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:How often do you change your Y-fronts? 40 pounds doesn't sounds very
:hygenic.

Change my what?

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Greg Mossman - 07 Nov 2003 01:01 GMT
> "rnf2" <rnf2@NOSPAMwaikato.ac.nz> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :How often do you change your Y-fronts? 40 pounds doesn't sounds very
> :hygenic.
>
> Change my what?

New Zealand Aussies wear Y-fronts instead of normal underwear to give them
easier access to the sheep.  It's a sort of combination of farmer's
suspenders with a jockstrap.
Alan Street - 07 Nov 2003 01:46 GMT
>> "rnf2" <rnf2@NOSPAMwaikato.ac.nz> pounded away at his keyboard
>> resulting in:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>easier access to the sheep.  It's a sort of combination of farmer's
>suspenders with a jockstrap.

One can only wonder how you came to have such, er, intimate knowledge.
rnf2 - 07 Nov 2003 04:19 GMT
> > :How often do you change your Y-fronts? 40 pounds doesn't sounds very
> > :hygenic.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> easier access to the sheep.  It's a sort of combination of farmer's
> suspenders with a jockstrap.

At least we don't wear those funny Aussie boots that hold the sheep by
sticking it's legs down em.
Army combat boots or hiking boots on sheep farms, and Red Bands on Dairy
farms.

rhys
Lisa Horton - 06 Nov 2003 19:42 GMT
> Also, any information on security? Especially with regards to insane US
> checks. (I was warned before on a suitcase that they would cut off the locks)

In the US, all checked bags are "requested" to be left unlocked.
However, the TSA has not completed criminal background checks of airport
ground personnel.  Add the two together, and I would not put anything of
value in checked luggage, not if I wanted to keep it.

Lisa
 
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