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Scuba Forum / General / March 2005Should I be in the water?
I am a NAUI certified Master and Rescue diver. I finally got my girlfriend to take a course in getting certified. When she takes her open water dive tests, should I be in the water with her? Will my presence make her feel more secure or the opposite, more anxious? Clint Free Spirit Gallery http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca Exquisite Inuit (Eskimo) & Native Art >I am a NAUI certified Master and Rescue diver. I finally got my girlfriend >to take a course in getting certified. When she takes her open water dive [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca > Exquisite Inuit (Eskimo) & Native Art This wouldn't be a troll for your website, would it? Nice artwork. I think she should make that decision. > I am a NAUI certified Master and Rescue diver. I finally got my girlfriend > to take a course in getting certified. When she takes her open water dive > tests, should I be in the water with her? Will my presence make her feel > more secure or the opposite, more anxious? Stay away. I would be surprised if the instructor would let you in anyway. If they did I would find another instructor. Brian Edmonton, Alberta www.mossmanscuba.com > > I am a NAUI certified Master and Rescue diver. I finally got my girlfriend > > to take a course in getting certified. When she takes her open water dive > > tests, should I be in the water with her? Will my presence make her feel > > more secure or the opposite, more anxious? > Stay away. I would be surprised if the instructor would let you in > anyway. If they did I would find another instructor. Good advice. Let them do their thing, and then go diving. > I am a NAUI certified Master and Rescue diver. I finally got my girlfriend > to take a course in getting certified. When she takes her open water dive > tests, should I be in the water with her? Will my presence make her feel > more secure or the opposite, more anxious? Uhmm...why not ask what she wants? Dennis > Clint > > Free Spirit Gallery > http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca > Exquisite Inuit (Eskimo) & Native Art > Uhmm...why not ask what she wants? Because she's not the master diver.  Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? Uhmm...why not ask what she wants? > > Because she's not the master diver. Regardless, I would think that she would be a better person to ask as to whether his presence would make her feel anxious or not during the class. :-) It seems to point to a communications problem that will only get worse as time goes on. Dennis > It seems to point to a communications problem that will only get worse as > time goes on. Well, that's OK, if she's pretty. We're at sea, they fight, break up, she needs comforting, and a new dive buddy... Yes, that could work right out. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > I am a NAUI certified Master and Rescue diver. I finally got my girlfriend > to take a course in getting certified. When she takes her open water dive > tests, should I be in the water with her? Will my presence make her feel > more secure or the opposite, more anxious? Master divers always make be feel anxious, until I remember that there may be an extra lunch. Is your girlfriend pretty? Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 >I am a NAUI certified Master and Rescue diver. I finally got my girlfriend >to take a course in getting certified. When she takes her open water dive >tests, should I be in the water with her? Will my presence make her feel >more secure or the opposite, more anxious? > > Clint Clint if you can take photos of her and post them in this news group of your grilfriend in the water and if she is a fox then I would say that It would make her feel best to get in the water with her and stay there the whole time, and make sure to get as many shots as possible for us. Otherwise go fishing or something. John Stewart Thanks for all your input so far guys. From the replies I got so far even from other scuba forums, the majority feel that it should be up to the instructor and more than likely, I should not be there. And it shouldn't be my girlfriend's decision since she's not the instructor. We are planning to do the open water dives in Key Largo. So if I'm asked to keep a distance from the class, then I'll go dive the Spiegal Grove while she's doing her session. I heard the Spiegal is an awesome dive ;) And yeah, my girlfriend's hot looking - hahaha Clint Free Spirit Gallery http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca > Thanks for all your input so far guys. From the replies I got so far even > from other scuba forums, the majority feel that it should be up to the > instructor and more than likely, I should not be there. And it shouldn't be > my girlfriend's decision since she's not the instructor. So if her instructor said it was ok, but she didn't want you there, then you'd show up? :-) After all, "it shouldn't be my girlfriend's decision". Dennis > We are planning to do the open water dives in Key Largo. So if I'm asked to > keep a distance from the class, then I'll go dive the Spiegal Grove while [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Free Spirit Gallery > http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca From the replies I got so far even from other scuba forums, the majority feel that it should be up to the instructor and more than likely, I should not be there. And it shouldn't be my girlfriend's decision since she's not the instructor. Oh, good, he doesn't know how to listen, either. > And yeah, my girlfriend's hot looking - hahaha She won't be yours for long. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 >From: "Clint" pepmax@videotron.ca >Date: 10/10/2004 10:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >And yeah, my girlfriend's hot looking - hahaha You must be on fuckin crack if you'd pass up the Grove for a OW checkout dive. Have you had a cat scan lately? Popeye Man is certainly stark mad. He cannot even make a worm, and yet he will be making gods by the dozens. > I am a NAUI certified Master and Rescue diver. I finally got my girlfriend > to take a course in getting certified. When she takes her open water dive > tests, should I be in the water with her? Will my presence make her feel > more secure or the opposite, more anxious? > > Clint At my daughter's request, I accompanied her on her last NAUI training dive in La Jolla Cove. She had some problems with navigation and with a second stage free flow. She surfaced, looking to me for advice and help. I backed away and let her instructor get in her face (yes, get in her face. Sometimes a little tough love is the best prescription) and tell her to remember what she'd learned in class. At that moment, my presence was a hinderance, not a help, and had I opened my mouth it would have undermined the instructor even more. She went back down, got herself sorted out, and finished the dive successfully. If I could do it over again, I would stay on shore. Alan >Subject: Should I be in the water? >From: "Clint" pepmax@videotron.ca >I am a NAUI certified Master and Rescue diver. I finally got my girlfriend >to take a course in getting certified. When she takes her open water dive >tests, should I be in the water with her? Will my presence make her feel >more secure or the opposite, more anxious? Shouldn't you be asking your girlfriend these questions? Capt. Bill Following the hurricane in Cayman, I lost track of a couple SCUBA friends there. If anyone has contact with Jamie Quesenberry or Tim Hunt, please either send me their current contact info or send them my address and tell 'em I'm looking for them! Thanks, Glenn Call Rochester, NY <call@rochester.rr.com Was wondering if you ever heard from them I got certified by Tim, and Jamie was one of the other intructors in Cayman at bob sotos. The hurricane came pretty soon after I left and I was wondering how they made out and if they were still there. Signaturenae > Shouldn't you be asking your girlfriend these questions? > > Capt. Bill I'm not sure if my girlfriend would be the best person to ask since she' new to diving. I like Alan's answer. How many of you have tried to teach your significant other something whether it's scuba, skiing, whatever? Sometimes maybe it's best to let somebody else with a purely professional relationship do the teaching. Clint Free Spirit Gallery http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca > I'm not sure if my girlfriend would be the best person to ask since she' new > to diving. [snicker] Well, if you're right, and she's a fox, you're definitely headed down the right path. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 >Subject: Re: Should I be in the water? >From: Jammer Six >€ I'm not sure if my girlfriend would be the best person to ask since she' >new [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Well, if you're right, and she's a fox, you're definitely headed down >the right path. I'm with jammer. :-) Capt. Bill Well give me here tellephone number Ill figure it out for you bro. John Stewart >> Shouldn't you be asking your girlfriend these questions? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Free Spirit Gallery > http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca >> Shouldn't you be asking your girlfriend these questions? > I'm not sure if my girlfriend would be the best person to ask since she' > new to diving. I like Alan's answer. How many of you have tried to teach > your significant other something whether it's scuba, skiing, whatever? > Sometimes maybe it's best to let somebody else with a purely professional > relationship do the teaching. Clint, the generic answer to this is no, you should not be in the water during your girlfriend's training. One of you paid a professional to teach her the basics of diving. Assuming you chose your instructor wisely (did the best you could), the best thing you can do is let that instructor do the job he/she was paid to do. Your presence can only be a distraction, perhaps because you bring performance pressure with your presence (you do whether it's intentional or not) or perhaps because your relationship gives you a degree of input in decisions that detracts from the instructor's input. If you're a good enough diver to assist in your girlfriend's future development, do it after she's got the basics and, even then, be careful what you say and how you say it. New divers, including girlfriends, tend to be a bit cocky and, usually, pretty certain that their instructor knows and taught everything perfectly. It takes time for some divers to learn that there really is a bit more to this diving thing than they got in their introductory level course. Lee *snip* I concur with Lee's comments. I chose to stay out of my girlfriend's Open Water class and her certification trip. It is my opinion that people should at the intro level pay attention to one person and that is the instructor. If you are a certified diver and someone she already obviously trusts some attention will be divided towards you, and often leaning on you to help her out. Intro is for learning basic skills and getting it right all on your own in my book. I went on the first trip with her after her certification and everything went smoothly. She was able to handle her own self quite well, and any preferences I have like DIR she can decide if my arguments make sense and take them up on her own without me being a boyfriend-instructor. Now she has taken CPR/first-aid and Nitrox on her own and is asking me to organize a trip to Belize. Footnote: As a background item that weighed in my decision, I have been a teaching assistant in open water classes and sometimes the couple dynamic creates a lot of additional complications. Couples where the one party is pressuring the other to do it when they have problems with it. Often one party suppresses the fact they have issues or reservations when the other is there to reinforce it every second. Then the one night partner is not there is when they panic and bolt to the surface of the pool and show the terror about being underwater that they have had all along. SignatureVincent Fox Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 Internet: vf5@mail.gatech.edu > own self quite well, and any preferences I have like DIR I'm surprised that you can acknowledge the true tenets of DIR and allow her to dive using stroke gear. You should be ashamed of yourself as she will certainly die. I hope you don't further pollute yourself by ever diving with her until she's fully committed to DIR principles, gear, and technique. The penalty for breaking rule number one is also certain death. BTW, what's up with Jim? He hasn't been around since the Dive with Greg and I sincerely hope it's nothing I said or did that's keeping him away. *snip* >I'm surprised that you can acknowledge the true tenets of DIR and allow her >to dive using stroke gear. You should be ashamed of yourself as she will >certainly die. >I hope you don't further pollute yourself by ever diving with her until >she's fully committed to DIR principles, gear, and technique. The penalty >for breaking rule number one is also certain death. I must admit I am a sinner. My open-water rig is a Halcyon bladder and webbing but on a PLASTIC backplate. Forgive me. It is easier to travel with but it does permanently stain my soul. >BTW, what's up with Jim? He hasn't been around since the Dive with Greg and >I sincerely hope it's nothing I said or did that's keeping him away. I am not sure. I will have to make an effort to stop by Jim Greenlee's SCUBA class and see. Thanks for reminding me. SignatureVincent Fox Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 Internet: vf5@mail.gatech.edu > I hope you don't further pollute yourself by ever diving with her until > she's fully committed to DIR principles, gear, and technique. The penalty > for breaking rule number one is also certain death. A clear case of do as I say and not as I do. I've seen pictures of Pina's (sp?) gear and her bolt clips were not stainless. Lee >> I hope you don't further pollute yourself by ever diving with her until >> she's fully committed to DIR principles, gear, and technique. The >> penalty for breaking rule number one is also certain death. > > A clear case of do as I say and not as I do. I've seen pictures of Pina's > (sp?) gear and her bolt clips were not stainless. As I fondly recall diving with Sandra and her Scubapro Ladyhawk BC. I got one for Janna and she loves it. > > I hope you don't further pollute yourself by ever diving with her until > > she's fully committed to DIR principles, gear, and technique. The penalty > > for breaking rule number one is also certain death. > > A clear case of do as I say and not as I do. I've seen pictures of Pina's > (sp?) gear and her bolt clips were not stainless. So? Nobody ever said that brass was not DIR, just that brass clips suck. There is a difference. Brian Edmonton, Alberta www.mossmanscuba.com > So? Nobody ever said that brass was not DIR, just that brass clips suck. > > There is a difference. The hell they didn't. Lee > A clear case of do as I say and not as I do. I've seen pictures of Pina's > (sp?) gear and her bolt clips were not stainless. I prefer brass myself... Probably because I was in the Navy... Old habits die hard, I guess... > > A clear case of do as I say and not as I do. I've seen pictures of Pina's > > (sp?) gear and her bolt clips were not stainless. > > I prefer brass myself... Probably because I was in the Navy... Old habits > die hard, I guess... Enjoy your sliced fingers. Took me about 5 minutes with a brass clip and bare hands to make an old habit die easy. Old habits only die hard when one doesn't challenge them. Brian Edmonton, Alberta www.mossmanscuba.com >> I prefer brass myself... Probably because I was in the Navy... Old habits >> die hard, I guess... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Old habits only die hard when one doesn't challenge them. Guess you're just accident prone. Personally, I've been using brass clips on my kayak for years. I have no problems with them, or with the stainless ones on my dive equipment. Lee >>>I prefer brass myself... Probably because I was in the Navy... Old habits >>>die hard, I guess... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > on my kayak for years. I have no problems with them, or with the stainless > ones on my dive equipment. Same. Brass clips and ss ones get sprayed twice a year with molybdenium disulfide powder, and that's it. Brass even gets a nonsticking lubrifying grey, like electrolytical, coat by this. Matthias > Enjoy your sliced fingers. Took me about 5 minutes with a brass clip and > bare hands to make an old habit die easy. > > Old habits only die hard when one doesn't challenge them. I learned that one after buying a brand new set of 7mm gloves, and slicing the thumb open on the 4 year old brass snap on my UK800. > > A clear case of do as I say and not as I do. I've seen pictures of Pina's > > (sp?) gear and her bolt clips were not stainless. > > I prefer brass myself... Probably because I was in the Navy... Old habits > die hard, I guess... Please tell me you don't hit 'em with NevrDull... Thank the Good Lord they don't make brass belt buckles for 2" webbing, I'd probably have to get one and keep it shiny. > Please tell me you don't hit 'em with NevrDull... I thought we went over this before... I like the patina that brass develops over the years from handled, but not polished... Kind of a dark / black tint to it... Not the green tint that you see on copper... > Thank the Good Lord they don't make brass belt buckles for 2" > webbing, I'd probably have to get one and keep it shiny. Back to the backplate idea, I guess... I know that you could make a brass backplate... I know that you could make D-rings and keepers from brass since they are flat and the water jet that you use to cut the backplates could also cut the D-rings and keepers, but how much trouble would it be for you to make a brass weight belt buckle? It's just a couple of cuts and bends, right? I seem to remember weight belt buckles having been made from two D-rings before... Kind of like the D-rings that are used as a chin strap / head retainer on motorcycle helmets... Anyone still use that sort of belt these days? > > Please tell me you don't hit 'em with NevrDull... > > I thought we went over this before... I like the patina that brass develops > over the years from handled, but not polished... Kind of a dark / black tint > to it... Not the green tint that you see on copper... Ahh, yes, I remember now. > > Thank the Good Lord they don't make brass belt buckles for 2" > > webbing, I'd probably have to get one and keep it shiny. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to make a brass weight belt buckle? It's just a couple of cuts and bends, > right? Actually, they are cut with a laser, but yes. And then I would have to shine it. > I seem to remember weight belt buckles having been made from two D-rings > before... Kind of like the D-rings that are used as a chin strap / head > retainer on motorcycle helmets... Anyone still use that sort of belt these > days? Commercial diving harness'. > And then I would have to shine it. Why? Let it age naturally... Or are you saying that you personally would want your own brass buckle to be shined? Myself, I would probably sandblast it to smooth down the edges and start with a basic matt fininsh and let it age naturally from there... > Commercial diving harness'. So, if they're still used for commercial diving harnesses, why are they not used for weight belts for recreational diving? Minimal moving parts would seem to imply that they might even be better... > I seem to remember weight belt buckles having been made from two D-rings > before... Kind of like the D-rings that are used as a chin strap / head > retainer on motorcycle helmets... Anyone still use that sort of belt these > days? You have a good memory. I had one of those. You made it quick release by running the tag end of the belt back through the second D ring so that pulling on the end pulled the tag end extracted the belt from the second ring, allowing it to slide freely out of both rings. It was not as easy to don or as easy to get out of quickly as the weightbelt buckles most plate users employ these days. The added problem is, if you want this to be quick release, you have to use a more flexible belt than what seems to be best for shoulder straps. If a two piece strap pleases you as much as a one piece one pleases me, then it would likely work OK. If not, then there's at least one other option that will provide an easier, quicker release more easily than making an entire buckle out of brass. If you're interested, I'll have to draw the thing out and send it separately. As simple as it is, a picture's a lot easier than a description. Lee > You have a good memory. Random things sometimes get stuck in the cobwebs of the old synapses and can't get out, I guess... <grin> It's possible that rectangular 'rings' might be better with the 2" webbing than D-shaped rings... I seem to remember seeing that type of 'ring' used on something at one time in the same manner as D-rings... > If a two piece strap pleases you as much as a one piece > one pleases me, then it would likely work OK. Nawh, I would probably want to stay with a one-piece unit, although irregardless of what the DIR-types might believe, I doubt that a properly sewed strap is going to fail at the sewn points... The parachute-type harnesses that we used to use when we worked aloft aboard ship were sewn and they were supposed to support a lot of weight during a fall... Nothing quite like the view from the top of the mast on a CVN (PMS on the IFF antenna) when the ship is rocking back and forth.... > If not, then there's at least one other option that will provide > an easier, quicker release more easily than making an entire > buckle out of brass. If you're interested, I'll have to draw > the thing out and send it separately. As simple as it is, a > picture's a lot easier than a description. Send it, I'm always curious about new ideas... >> > A clear case of do as I say and not as I do. I've seen pictures of > Pina's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Thank the Good Lord they don't make brass belt buckles for 2" webbing, >I'd probably have to get one and keep it shiny. Isn't that the wife's job?? > Isn't that the wife's job?? Aint married. My Ole Lady would spit on it, but other than that, she'd beat me with it for suggesting, which is why I love her. >> Isn't that the wife's job?? > >Aint married. > >My Ole Lady would spit on it, but other than that, she'd beat me with it for >suggesting, which is why I love her. Scott, read that again with a little "twist" to it. :-) Signaturedillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark and the horse's name was Bob. > > Shouldn't you be asking your girlfriend these questions? > > > > Capt. Bill > > I'm not sure if my girlfriend would be the best person to ask since she' new > to diving. I like Alan's answer. IIRC, Alan's answer was stay out of the water (or, at least, away from the entire situation). Is that what you were talking about? > How many of you have tried to teach your > significant other something whether it's scuba, skiing, whatever? I've taught my wife many things. It takes a bit more patience from both of us, but I've never had any major issues with it. > Sometimes > maybe it's best to let somebody else with a purely professional relationship > do the teaching. I tried that in Jamaica when she was going on her first dive (resort course). The instructor couldn't convey the information in a way she could understand. When we had a little individual time, I taught her the important parts. She did fine. Now, we're both OW certified and happy as clams... however happy that might be. Of course, I've got a teaching personality so it pretty much comes natural to me. I'd be a teacher except for two things. First, it doesn't pay well enough. Second, it's way to much work. I'll keep maintaining computer networks instead. > Clint > > Free Spirit Gallery > http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca |
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