Scuba Forum / General / November 2003
Any cave divers out there?
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Thomas Wong - 02 Nov 2003 03:28 GMT Hello,
I'm looking into getting certified as a cave diver in Mexico, and was wondering which certification was better NACD, TDI or NSS-CDS?
Can anybody recommend a good shop in Playa De Carmen, Tulum or Akumal for Cave diving instruction?
I did my cavern certification in Akumal last year and it was great experience.
T
John Mason Jr - 02 Nov 2003 03:31 GMT > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > T http://www.dir-mexico.com/home.htm
John
Chris Painter - 05 Nov 2003 02:23 GMT > http://www.dir-mexico.com/home.htm So, do you have experience with this instructers? Or did you just go to Google and type DIR and Mexico?
Chris
John Mason Jr - 05 Nov 2003 07:21 GMT >> http://www.dir-mexico.com/home.htm > > So, do you have experience with this instructers? Or did you just go > to Google and type DIR and Mexico? > > Chris Yes, I got a chance to meet Danny and Chris while staying at DaRosa's. I was very impresed with their attitude, knowledge, love of the caves and exploration. I do plan to go join them for some triaining and diving in the future.
John
Chris Painter - 05 Nov 2003 12:00 GMT > Yes, I got a chance to meet Danny and Chris while staying at DaRosa's. > I was very impresed with their attitude, knowledge, love of the caves and > exploration. > I do plan to go join them for some triaining and diving in the future. Great, thanks for the reference then.
Chris
Jammer Six - 02 Nov 2003 06:10 GMT > I'm looking into getting certified as a cave diver in Mexico, and was > wondering which certification was better NACD, TDI or NSS-CDS? None of them.
You want GUE, if you're going into a cave.
 Signature "We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Jim Wyatt - 03 Nov 2003 23:37 GMT I guess YOU were GUE cave trained Jammer? Or are you just spewing off again about sh.t you read about?
> You want GUE, if you're going into a cave.
 Signature Jim Wyatt PADI Master Instructor #4612/IANTD Instructor Florida Keys Reef-Divers, Inc. www.reef-divers.com
Jammer Six - 04 Nov 2003 00:22 GMT > I guess YOU were GUE cave trained Jammer? Or are you just spewing off again > about sh.t you read about? Wyatt Boy!
We heard you died!
 Signature "We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Jim Wyatt - 04 Nov 2003 12:46 GMT > We heard you died!
Who is "we'?
 Signature Jim Wyatt PADI Master Instructor #4612/IANTD Instructor Florida Keys Reef-Divers, Inc. www.reef-divers.com
Jammer Six - 04 Nov 2003 21:20 GMT > Who is "we'? Keep up, wyatt boy.
 Signature "C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?" -Sergeant Major Dan Daly
Dan Bracuk - 02 Nov 2003 07:29 GMT "Thomas Wong" <z2quickREMOVENOSPAM@pacbell.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I did my cavern certification in Akumal last year and it was great :experience. So why not go back to the same shop?
Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Al Wells - 02 Nov 2003 09:00 GMT > Can anybody recommend a good shop in Playa De Carmen, Tulum or Akumal for > Cave diving instruction? Nicolai Toussaint - not sure what his agency affiliations are these days.
www.akumaldircenter.com
Ron T - 02 Nov 2003 09:29 GMT > Hello, > > I'm looking into getting certified as a cave diver in Mexico, and was > wondering which certification was better NACD, TDI or NSS-CDS? It isn't the agency that matters - it is the instructor. Find one you are comfortable with in all aspects. If you liked your cavern instructor and he does cave, that may be your answer.
What card you carry does not matter, what knowledge and skills you maintain does.
Ron
Curtis - 02 Nov 2003 15:42 GMT > It isn't the agency that matters - it is the instructor. Find one you > are comfortable with in all aspects. If you liked your cavern instructor > and he does cave, that may be your answer. And it may not be. There are many cavern instructors I like, but would NEVER go cave diving with, much less take cave diving instruction from. For that matter, there are a lot of experienced people here I would NEVER cave dive with (not at all an insult to anyone). Finding a good instructor shouldn't be about "being a nice, likeable guy". He or she may have to hurt your feelings & bash your ego to save your life.
To Thomas; For a guaranteed good instructor, go GUE. Otherwise, take some time and do a "little" research, and ignore the guys here with the hard-ons.
Curtis
Scott McFadden - 03 Nov 2003 01:36 GMT > Finding a good instructor shouldn't be about "being a nice, likeable guy". > He or she may have to hurt your feelings & bash your ego to save your life. Sounds like my first flight instructor. Mean old WW11 P47 pilot. Thank goodness he was too, as I was only a "indestructible", 17 yrs old at the time.
> To Thomas; For a guaranteed good instructor, go GUE. I had a feeling you'd get to that.
I'm planning on making Charlie's Pre T-Day, stroke bash at Ginnie, are you? -- SJM
Curtis - 03 Nov 2003 05:19 GMT > > Finding a good instructor shouldn't be about "being a nice, likeable guy". > > He or she may have to hurt your feelings & bash your ego to save your life. > > Sounds like my first flight instructor. Mean old WW11 P47 pilot. Thank > goodness he was too, as I was only a "indestructible", 17 yrs old at > the time. Wish I was as indestructable as the old Thunderbolts.
> > To Thomas; For a guaranteed good instructor, go GUE. > > I had a feeling you'd get to that. :-)
> I'm planning on making Charlie's Pre T-Day, stroke bash at Ginnie, are > you? Matter of fact, yes. My daughter got her OW cert in June with SCS, and she wants to see Ginnie on scuba. Her "classmates" should be there. Think the last time I dove Ginnie was at one of Charlie's parties, think in '01.
Shoot me an email.
Curtis
Ron T - 03 Nov 2003 11:22 GMT > > It isn't the agency that matters - it is the instructor. Find one you > > are comfortable with in all aspects. If you liked your cavern instructor > > and he does cave, that may be your answer. > > And it may not be. There are many cavern instructors I like, but would > NEVER go cave diving with, much less take cave diving instruction from Fully agree, which is why I said that "MAY" be the answer. I did not mean to imply that someone should choose an instructor because that are a good afterdive drinking buddy. It is important that a student respect the instructor and have a workable relationship. If the cavern instructor has those credentials and is an experienced cave instructor with a good set of references -- then consider that person, but look at others too.
Getting instruction from several individuals has the advantage of opening up to different mindsets and methods.
I've seen several GUE trained divers that understand the methods but don't know how to apply that knowledge in real world situations (this has primarily been Technical students, not Cave students). In fairness, I've also seen NACD and NSS-CDS trained divers that really should have been chained to their car bumper and kept away from any water. These are divers that have failed to learn the reasoning behind the lesson. Their instructors failed to recognize this shortcoming in the student. These were instructors from all of the major agencies (NSS-CDS, NACD, GUI, IANTD and TDI).
There is no fool proof method of training as it all depends on the students ability to retain the information and adapt it to changing circumstances. No instructor, regardless of agency, can assure that happening.
Therefore I still maintain that the instructor matters, not the agency.
Jammer Six - 03 Nov 2003 12:21 GMT > Therefore I still maintain that the instructor matters, not the agency. Stroke alert.
 Signature "We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
rnf2 - 03 Nov 2003 19:32 GMT > Stroke alert. > > -- Yeah we know you're gonna get busy with your wee-wee, now go do your business in private please...
rhys
David Brewster - 03 Nov 2003 20:07 GMT I agree with him.
> ? Therefore I still maintain that the instructor matters, not the agency. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "We're going to rush the hijackers." > -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 Jammer Six - 03 Nov 2003 21:10 GMT > I agree with him. > > > ? Therefore I still maintain that the instructor matters, not the agency. > > > > Stroke alert. Thank you.
Not that we require you're agreement...
 Signature "We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Dan Bracuk - 04 Nov 2003 03:16 GMT "David Brewster" <punky@interlog.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I agree with him. Why?
Dan Bracuk If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure. The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/
Jammer Six - 03 Nov 2003 04:57 GMT > It isn't the agency that matters - it is the instructor. That's yesterday's wisdom.
It's changed.
Get current.
 Signature "We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
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