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Von Fourche - 25 Sep 2004 05:50 GMT
   Well, I'm back from my seven night Caribbean cruise.  I can without a
doubt say that it was fabulous.  The Mariner of The Seas (Royal Caribbean)
was
awesome.  The service was great!

   Anyway, I wanted to dive in Jamaica and Cozumel, but was only able to
dive in Jamaica.  There were about twelve of us on the ship that dived.

   We met at the dive shop on the ship.  I was definitely nervous but I was
wearing a dive shirt with my home state name on the front. Another diver
came up and started talking to me.  We talked about equipment and stuff.  I
told him I was debating to buy my equipment off the net or from my local
dive shop.  He mentioned that he ran an internet shop called scubatoys.com
or something.  Anyway, we went down to the pier, and the dive boat with the
dive master met us.  We boarded and took off.

   The divers were not really that talkative.  There were a few single guys
like me, then a father and young son, and then a couple of husbands and
wives.

   The first dive was only five or six minutes away from cruise ship.  The
deepest I got was around 50 feet.  It was a little scary but once I got down
that deep it was easy.  I did get to see coral and marine fish for the first
time.  The coral wasn't that great, but still, it was coral.  The dive went
pretty good for me except for the surfacing.  I may have went a little to
fast ascending, but when I saw my computer blinking I slowed down.  Also, my
computer didn't count down from 3 minutes during the safety stop. This was a
rented computer from the ship.

   The second dive was better.  The deepest was around thirty feet, but
there were a lot of canyons to swim thru.  Again, I saw coral and fish,
including some kind of long snake like creature.  The dive master picked the
snake up and let it crawl over it's hand.  I ran my hand under the belly of
the snake for a second or two.

   The highlight of the dive was when I was swimming, then I looked down at
the mouth of a canyon and saw what looked like a shark creature laying on
the bottom.  For a second I thought it was a shark, then thought no way.
Then I thought it might be a stingray, but this creature looked more like a
shark then a stingray.  Then for a second I thought about swimming down
there and investigating, then thought - no, I better not.  The other divers
started noticing the shark too.  A couple of them swam down to get a closer
look. The shark wiggled around for a couple of seconds then swam into the
canyon and disappeared.  The dive master and a few of the other divers swam
down and looked into the canyon mouth.  The divemaster put his hand on his
head, representing a shark fin, and put two fingers up, representing two
sharks.  I thought about swimming down deeper and looking into the canyon,
but the thought of a shark coming up and taking a bight out of my leg or
hip was just too strong, so I stayed away.

   After exploring a little bit more we ended the dive.  I asked about that
shark.  I believe the dive master called it a nurse shark or something.  I
asked if they are vicious and could take a chunk out of me if they wanted.
He just laughed.  He said they could if they were hungry, but mostly they
are sharks that he plays with.

   Anyway, my dives went better than my families excursion.  My brother got
mugged after climbing those Ochos Rios Falls.  After my family climbed the
falls, they were more or less forced to go thru a Jamaican market.  My
brother and his wife got surrounded by twelve big black Jamaicans and was
forced to pay eighty dollars for a ten dollar dress.  I'll say this, my
brother is no wimp, but he was scared.  Also, while climbing the falls, my
family noticed sewer water running into the water, including female feminine
products floating into the water.  Disgusting.

   After my dives I went back to my room to shower, then headed back to do
some shopping.  After visiting some bar called Jimmy Buffets Margaretville,
I was walking down some street and a Jamaican man offered me the service of

a woman.  It's a good thing I didn't except, I would have probably been
surrounded by twelve big Jamaicans and got mugged, than getting pleasure
from some disgusting infected Jamaican woman lol.

   That was it for Jamaica.  We didn't get to go to the Caymans because
they got wiped out from the hurricane.  The next stop was Cozumel.  I really
wished I would have cancelled my dolphin swim and did some scuba diving
instead.  The water looked crystal clear.  The swim with dolphins sucked.
It was
not worth the $136.00  We started at 3pm and our ship was scheduled to leave
at 7pm.  We had to be back on the ship at 6:30pm.  Our little dolphin
program was late to start, then the dolphins wouldn't do what the were
supposed to do.  Plus, the main thing the operators seemed interested in was
taking our pictures while kissing the dolphins.  We were supposed to kiss
the dolphin while looking at the camera, let the dolphin kiss up on the
cheek while looking at the camera, and shake hands with the dolphin while
looking at the camera.  It was like we paid $136.00 each just so we could
have the honor of paying an additional twenty dollars a picture with us and
the dolphins.  Then, they wanted to sell us the video of our experience for
$40.00   I tell ya, If I was God, I would wipe that whole park, along with
all the Mexican workers, and the one American college girl who worked there,
off the
face of the earth.  And put those poor dolphins out of their misery.
Bastards.

   Anyway, to finalize - I enjoyed the two Jamaican dives, even tho the
coral wasn't very colorful.  Also, I would have felt more comfortable in my
own gear or the gear I was trained with at my local scuba shop.  If any of
you are thinking about going on a seven night Royal Caribbean cruise on the
Mariner of The Seas, DO IT!  The ship itself and service was great!  No
excursion can match that ship and service.
Greg Mossman - 25 Sep 2004 06:11 GMT
>    Anyway, my dives went better than my families excursion.  My brother
> got
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> feminine
> products floating into the water.  Disgusting.

You think the big black Jamaicans are bad, you should see the white ones.

>    After my dives I went back to my room to shower, then headed back to do
> some shopping.  After visiting some bar called Jimmy Buffets
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> surrounded by twelve big Jamaicans and got mugged, than getting pleasure
> from some disgusting infected Jamaican woman lol.

You don't get around much, do you?

> I tell ya, If I was God, I would wipe that whole park, along with
> all the Mexican workers, and the one American college girl who worked
> there,
> off the
> face of the earth.  And put those poor dolphins out of their misery.
> Bastards.

Naw, they're just trying to make a buck.  The real bastards are the
cruiseship tourists who patronize them.

Interesting report.  I always wondered what was on the mind of those pale
cattle you see herded back and forth off the mother ship.  Now I know.
Lee Bell - 25 Sep 2004 13:19 GMT
> The first dive was only five or six minutes away from cruise ship.  The
> deepest I got was around 50 feet.  It was a little scary but once I got down
> that deep it was easy.  I did get to see coral and marine fish for the first
> time.  The coral wasn't that great, but still, it was coral.

That's why most of us try to avoid diving scheduled by cruise ships.  They
almost always look for sites close to the docks rather than the best
available.  If you have the time, it's usually better to book with somebody
that caters to land based divers.  They compete on the basis of quality
rather than having the cruise ships somewhat captive market.

> The dive went pretty good for me except for the surfacing.  I may have
went a little to
> fast ascending, but when I saw my computer blinking I slowed down.  Also, my
> computer didn't count down from 3 minutes during the safety stop. This was a
> rented computer from the ship.

I suppose there is a computer somwhere that does a countdown for a safety
stop, but I've never seen one.  It's not all that hard to look at the
computer and say to yourself, OK, I've been diving for 35 minutes now.  I'll
stay here until it's 38 or 39.

> The second dive was better.  The deepest was around thirty feet, but
> there were a lot of canyons to swim thru.  Again, I saw coral and fish,
> including some kind of long snake like creature.  The dive master picked the
> snake up and let it crawl over it's hand.  I ran my hand under the belly of
> the snake for a second or two.

An eel for sure, probably one of the snake eels.

> The highlight of the dive was when I was swimming, then I looked down at
> the mouth of a canyon and saw what looked like a shark creature laying on
> the bottom.  For a second I thought it was a shark, then thought no way.
> Then I thought it might be a stingray, but this creature looked more like a
> shark then a stingray.

Nurse shark.  Generally harmless unless harassed.

> Then for a second I thought about swimming down
> there and investigating, then thought - no, I better not.

Good second thought.

> The other divers
> started noticing the shark too.  A couple of them swam down to get a closer
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> but the thought of a shark coming up and taking a bight out of my leg or
> hip was just too strong, so I stayed away.

More good thinking.

> After exploring a little bit more we ended the dive.  I asked about that
> shark.  I believe the dive master called it a nurse shark or something.

Told you so.

> I asked if they are vicious and could take a chunk out of me if they
wanted.
> He just laughed.  He said they could if they were hungry, but mostly they
> are sharks that he plays with.

You were diving with a fool, or somebody not afraid to sound like one.
Playing with sharks is not a real bright thing to do.  More than one diver
has been brought back to a boat so that they could cut a nurse shark off
some part of his/her body.  Don't bother them, they won't bother you.
Bother or scare them and all bets are off.

> Anyway, my dives went better than my families excursion.  My brother got
> mugged after climbing those Ochos Rios Falls.  After my family climbed the
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> family noticed sewer water running into the water, including female feminine
> products floating into the water.  Disgusting.

Welcome to the Caribbean.

> After my dives I went back to my room to shower, then headed back to do
> some shopping.  After visiting some bar called Jimmy Buffets Margaretville,
> I was walking down some street and a Jamaican man offered me the service of
> a woman.  It's a good thing I didn't except, I would have probably been
> surrounded by twelve big Jamaicans and got mugged, than getting pleasure
> from some disgusting infected Jamaican woman lol.

Careful.  Not all Jamaican women are infected or disgusting.  I assume you
didn't mean that the way it sounds.

> That was it for Jamaica.  We didn't get to go to the Caymans because
> they got wiped out from the hurricane.  The next stop was Cozumel.  I really
> wished I would have cancelled my dolphin swim and did some scuba diving
> instead.  The water looked crystal clear.

It probably was.  Cozumel is a very popular dive destination but, again, you
have to book with somebody other than the cruise ship.

> The swim with dolphins sucked. It was
> not worth the $136.00  We started at 3pm and our ship was scheduled to leave
> at 7pm.  We had to be back on the ship at 6:30pm.  Our little dolphin
> program was late to start, then the dolphins wouldn't do what the were
> supposed to do.

There's a reason so many of us avoid commercial dive with dolphin and dive
with sharks being fed operations.  A few are pretty good, but rarely do you
get to see the animals actually act natural.  Compare your shark encounter
to your dolphin encounter and I think you'll understand.

> Plus, the main thing the operators seemed interested in was
> taking our pictures while kissing the dolphins.  We were supposed to kiss
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> the dolphins.  Then, they wanted to sell us the video of our experience for
> $40.00

The provide what the tourists will pay for.

>  I tell ya, If I was God, I would wipe that whole park, along with
> all the Mexican workers, and the one American college girl who worked there,
> off the face of the earth.  And put those poor dolphins out of their
misery.
> Bastards.

My, aren't we judgemental.  Let's not forget that you paid them to let you
participate.  If it weren't for those who are willing to pay, there would be
no captive dolphins, etc.

> Anyway, to finalize - I enjoyed the two Jamaican dives, even tho the
> coral wasn't very colorful.  Also, I would have felt more comfortable in my
> own gear or the gear I was trained with at my local scuba shop.  If any of
> you are thinking about going on a seven night Royal Caribbean cruise on the
> Mariner of The Seas, DO IT!  The ship itself and service was great!  No
> excursion can match that ship and service.

There are probably a few people here who actually like cruise ships.  I
suspect most, however, are like me.  If we're on the water, we want to be in
the water.  When I pay to be on a liveaboard vessel, I usually do between
three and 7 dives a day, not 2 to 4 during an entire trip.  Having a diving
wife allows me to target the activity I most enjoy rather than spend endless
hours (that's how it seems to me) on a ship that offers little that I want
to do.

Lee
Joe English - 25 Sep 2004 15:21 GMT
>>The first dive was only five or six minutes away from cruise ship.  The
>>deepest I got was around 50 feet.  It was a little scary but once I got
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> computer and say to yourself, OK, I've been diving for 35 minutes now.  I'll
> stay here until it's 38 or 39.

I have a cobra it countdown the 3 minute safety stop (only while you are
at the correct depth

>>The second dive was better.  The deepest was around thirty feet, but
>>there were a lot of canyons to swim thru.  Again, I saw coral and fish,
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>
> Lee
Lee Bell - 25 Sep 2004 17:51 GMT
> I have a cobra it countdown the 3 minute safety stop (only while you are
> at the correct depth

Another reason for me to prefer other brands.  What's the correct depth?
Von Fourche - 25 Sep 2004 18:24 GMT
> I suppose there is a computer somwhere that does a countdown for a safety
> stop, but I've never seen one.  It's not all that hard to look at the
> computer and say to yourself, OK, I've been diving for 35 minutes now.  I'll
> stay here until it's 38 or 39.

   Are you sure about that statement?  I thought most dive computers count
down for the safety stop.  The Oceanic an Aeris computers I looked at on the
net seem to count down for a safety stop.
Alan Street - 25 Sep 2004 19:46 GMT
> > I suppose there is a computer somwhere that does a countdown for a safety
> > stop, but I've never seen one.  It's not all that hard to look at the
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> down for the safety stop.  The Oceanic an Aeris computers I looked at on the
> net seem to count down for a safety stop.

Many of the newer ones, especially those aimed at the recreational
market, do, but some don't. My OMS/DiveRite/Seiko doesn't, and my older
Suunto doesn't. My daughter's Mosquito does, and my CyberAqualand did
(but it was a really lousy computer otherwise).
Scott - 25 Sep 2004 23:08 GMT
> Many of the newer ones, especially those aimed at the recreational
> market, do, but some don't. My OMS/DiveRite/Seiko doesn't, and my older
> Suunto doesn't. My daughter's Mosquito does, and my CyberAqualand did
> (but it was a really lousy computer otherwise).

My Homo Sapiens MKI Mod 0 does it all.
Alan Street - 26 Sep 2004 02:41 GMT
> > Many of the newer ones, especially those aimed at the recreational
> > market, do, but some don't. My OMS/DiveRite/Seiko doesn't, and my older
> > Suunto doesn't. My daughter's Mosquito does, and my CyberAqualand did
> > (but it was a really lousy computer otherwise).
>
> My Homo Sapiens MKI Mod 0 does it all.

It does indeed. In fact, I find it even works better if you stop
looking at your depth gauge and pay more attention to the other signs
of depth change.
Lee Bell - 26 Sep 2004 00:05 GMT
> > I suppose there is a computer somwhere that does a countdown for a safety
> > stop, but I've never seen one.  It's not all that hard to look at the
> > computer and say to yourself, OK, I've been diving for 35 minutes now.
> > I'll stay here until it's 38 or 39.

> Are you sure about that statement?  I thought most dive computers count
> down for the safety stop.  The Oceanic an Aeris computers I looked at on the
> net seem to count down for a safety stop.

I'm sure I've not seen one and I've got two Oceanics, Two USD and a Genisis.
The Oceanics, Genisis and Aeris are all made by the same company.  I know
this is crazy, but are you sure you weren't looking at a deco requirement?
They do count down.  All my computers, until they are in deco mode, continue
to count upward until I hit about 4 feet.

Lee
dazed and confuzed - 26 Sep 2004 02:54 GMT
>>>I suppose there is a computer somwhere that does a countdown for a
>
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>
> Lee

vipers do the safety stop countdown.

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TonyP - 26 Sep 2004 00:21 GMT
>>I suppose there is a computer somwhere that does a countdown for a safety
>>stop, but I've never seen one.  It's not all that hard to look at the
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> down for the safety stop.  The Oceanic an Aeris computers I looked at on the
> net seem to count down for a safety stop.

The Aeris Atmos Pro that I have does not.
Von Fourche - 26 Sep 2004 09:15 GMT
> > The other divers
> > started noticing the shark too.  A couple of them swam down to get a
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> some part of his/her body.  Don't bother them, they won't bother you.
> Bother or scare them and all bets are off.

   My dive instructor told me that it took him sixty dives or so before he
saw his first shark.  From the magazines I read, I thought to see a shark
you had to be either lucky or go looking for one in a specific area.  So,
was I lucky to see one on my second ever ocean dive?  Or is shark sightings
by scuba divers a common occurrence?
Lee Bell - 26 Sep 2004 11:38 GMT
> My dive instructor told me that it took him sixty dives or so before he
> saw his first shark.  From the magazines I read, I thought to see a shark
> you had to be either lucky or go looking for one in a specific area.  So,
> was I lucky to see one on my second ever ocean dive?  Or is shark sightings
> by scuba divers a common occurrence?

Some of both.  In the tropics and sub tropics, finding nurse sharks is a
common occurrence.  They are a common and docile animal most of the time and
one of the few sharks that you'll find stationary.  That makes them a lot
easier to find, even when you're not looking for them.  A lot of divers,
including me, tend to forget the nurse shark when discussing shark
sightings.  If you, as a new diver, saw the shark first, it was probably a
combination of luck and paying a bit more attention to things than some
newer divers do.

Other sharks tend to be shy.  If you dive in the tropics and subtropics, you
will have been near them.  You may, however, never see one.  Usually, the
first diver to hit the water causes them to leave the area.  If you're first
in and looking for them, you have a better chance of seeing them.  Most
newer divers spend a minute readjusting things just after they hit the
water, giving the sharks plenty of time to move away before being seen.  One
of the reasons it takes so long to see the first shark is usually because
you're not looking at the right times.

All bets are off where sharks are fed and where spearfishing is common.
Whether you're participating in a shark feeding dive or just diving in an
area where they are done, the chances of seeing sharks is greatly increased.
They become less shy and can even become a bit more aggressive than most
divers are comfortable with.  Much the same is true when spearfishing.  A
dying fish sends a strong signal to nearby sharks and, both in feeding areas
and in spearfishing areas. the sharks have grown to associate divers with
food.  Note that's not "divers as food," but divers with food.  It's obvious
why in the case of deliberate feedings.   It's true in spearfishing areas
both because sharks have had success in stealing someone's catch from their
spear or stringer and because divers have rightly concluded that the shark
they see is only interested in the catch.  It's not a good thing to do, but
it's not uncommon for a spearfisherman to dive up their catch to a shark
that shows an interest.

Lee
Joe English - 26 Sep 2004 14:02 GMT
>>>The other divers
>>>started noticing the shark too.  A couple of them swam down to get a
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> was I lucky to see one on my second ever ocean dive?  Or is shark sightings
> by scuba divers a common occurrence?

I have been diving for better than 15 years. I have not seen many
sharks. Never more than two at a time. They have all been nurse sharks,
maybe one was a Silkie(???) At least that is someone on the dive called it
Steve - 26 Sep 2004 17:47 GMT
> From the magazines I read, I thought to see a shark
> you had to be either lucky or go looking for one in a specific area.

That's about it. As Lee said, nurse sharks are fairly common in popular dive areas
such as the Caribbean, and perhaps a lot of people don't count them as real shark
sightings. I saw (and touched, after watching the complete lack of response when my
buddy touched it) my first nurse shark on perhaps my 4th to 6th dive of my first dive
trip. As for luck, on my very first dive of the trip there were two groups in the
water and the second group saw a 10' hammerhead while following our route a couple of
minutes behind us. My first "real" shark was a 7 or 8' reef shark, around dive number
  30 to 40. Again, the luck factor was such that half of the group missed it. All of
those were off the east end of Grand Cayman, FWIW.

As for general areas, it's well worth mentioning that even if sharks are far more
common off of the coast of New Jersey, you're still much more likely to see them in
most tropical destinations because of the better viz. In the north Atlantic you may
miss an entire school of sharks that happens to swim by 15 feet to your right,
whereas in the Caribbean you may spot a shark almost 100 feet away. If the viz is 75'
you can see an area that is more than 50 times as big as what you can see with 20'
viz.  As for specific areas, if you want to see lots of sharks, start saving for a
trip to Micronesia. On our 2nd dive in Yap the first thing we saw when we hit the
water was a school of at least 2 dozen sharks, and we saw at least 3 dozen during the
dive. In the next 3 weeks it was unusual not to see sharks on a dive. I didn't keep
an accurate count, but I think my lifetime shark to dive ratio is now substantially
better than 1 to 1. There are other good destinations, too, but you won't be
disappointed with a trip to Yap and Palau.

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Greg Mossman - 29 Sep 2004 04:46 GMT
> better than 1 to 1. There are other good destinations, too, but you won't
> be disappointed with a trip to Yap and Palau.

Cruise ships go to Yap and Palau?
George Cathcart - 27 Sep 2004 15:28 GMT
>There are probably a few people here who actually like cruise ships.  I
>suspect most, however, are like me.  If we're on the water, we want to be in
>the water.  When I pay to be on a liveaboard vessel, I usually do between
>three and 7 dives a day, not 2 to 4 during an entire trip.  
>  

Amen. Last month when I was diving on the wrecks in the Thousand Islands
region of the St. Lawrence River, the thought occurred that as a diver I
have two uses for boats: to get me to and from the dive site or to BE
the dive site.  I guess I've been doing it too long when my first
thought on seeing any ship is, "That would make a good wreck dive..."

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