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Still My Ears

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Von Fourche - 16 Aug 2004 21:42 GMT
   Ugh, it's been four days since my first lesson (Thursday 12) and my ears
still feel funny.  It's the same problem, I open my mouth up wide or swallow
and I hear small popping/cracking in my ears. I'm starting to wonder if I
should go to my second lesson this Thursday.  I hear fine, although it does
feel like my ears are a little blocked or something.  There's no pain or
anything like that.  If what I'm hearing are small blood vessels popping,
then how many days does it take for all those things to pop?
Joe English - 16 Aug 2004 23:04 GMT
>     Ugh, it's been four days since my first lesson (Thursday 12) and my ears
> still feel funny.  It's the same problem, I open my mouth up wide or swallow
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> anything like that.  If what I'm hearing are small blood vessels popping,
> then how many days does it take for all those things to pop?

You are not hearing small blood vessels popping - it is your ears
popping. Everytime you swallow pressure changes happen with your ears.
Maybe you just didn't notice before.

If you are that concern - see your doc.
Von Fourche - 17 Aug 2004 08:23 GMT
> >     Ugh, it's been four days since my first lesson (Thursday 12) and my ears
> > still feel funny.  It's the same problem, I open my mouth up wide or swallow
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> popping. Everytime you swallow pressure changes happen with your ears.
> Maybe you just didn't notice before.

   Dang, I just came up with the perfect description of this sound in my
ears - it's like when you pull two pieces of velcro apart.  Only the sound I
hear would be only two or three strands of velcro being pulled apart.
chilly - 17 Aug 2004 08:37 GMT
>     Dang, I just came up with the perfect description of this sound in my
> ears - it's like when you pull two pieces of velcro apart.  Only the sound I
> hear would be only two or three strands of velcro being pulled apart.

Did you try taking a decongestant, yet?
Richard Faulkner - 17 Aug 2004 10:03 GMT
>    Dang, I just came up with the perfect description of this sound in
>my ears - it's like when you pull two pieces of velcro apart.  Only the
>sound I hear would be only two or three strands of velcro being pulled
>apart.

I can make my ears do this by squeezing some muscles around there.
Happens when chewing and yawning aswell.

I would guess that this is something which has been there all the time
but, because you are conscious of your ears, diving, and equalising, you
are now noticing it.

Tinnitus is a bit similar. You can go for ages without noticing it then
something draws your attention to it, and it's there all the time.

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Joe English - 17 Aug 2004 12:59 GMT
>>    Dang, I just came up with the perfect description of this sound in
>> my ears - it's like when you pull two pieces of velcro apart.  Only
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Tinnitus is a bit similar. You can go for ages without noticing it then
> something draws your attention to it, and it's there all the time.

Everytime you swallow there is a pressure change in your ears from air
being moved into the eustachian tubes, the noise you hear is your ears
"popping"  Many times when you yawn your ears pop for part of the same
reason but also due to the fact that you are stretching muscles in your
neck and throat that stretch the eustachian tube which may or may not
force enough pressure change to cause an ear "pop".  We usually only
experience (enough to notice) when ascending to altitude and descending.
 It usually occurs without incident.  Diving presents a different problem .

I agree with the quorum here - it is all quite natural what you are
going through.  It will clear, you have some fluid behind the eardrum
that is still draining.  Gently try to clear your ears - to keep the
fluid moving and your ears working.  Take a decongestant - or see your
doc.  I think you will be okay for your next class - I think you are
just noticing things that you didn't before.  But that too will past -
probably most of us have experienced and worried about the same thing
when we started.
whistler@san.rr.com - 17 Aug 2004 04:02 GMT
> Ugh, it's been four days since my first lesson (Thursday 12) and my ears
> still feel funny.  It's the same problem, I open my mouth up wide or swallow
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> anything like that.  If what I'm hearing are small blood vessels popping,
> then how many days does it take for all those things to pop?

Clicking eustacion tubes.  I've had that ever since a bad sinus
infection in college.

Had a cold when I got certified and plugged my tubes up even more.
Had a lot of trouble equalizing, especially in the first 15 feet.

Worked with an ENT recommended by my dive store, because he was also a
diver.  He found nothing wrong, other than the clicking eustacion
tubes, about which he shrugged and said, ``Get used to it.''  He
recommended overpressuring the ears at the surface, then aggressively
equalizing through the first twenty feet.  Oh, and use Afrin.  Doesn't
make you drowsy, doesn't have any recoil effects like sudafed.

Took quite a bit of practice, but now I can put the head down, feet up
and head straight down, equalizing all the way...

See a doctor, by all means.  But I wouldn't stop, if I were you.
Grumman-581 - 17 Aug 2004 04:08 GMT
>Oh, and use Afrin.  Doesn't make you drowsy, doesn't
> have any recoil effects like sudafed.

But is very addictive... Got hooked on it when I had a cold in the
mid-1980s... Took over a year to break the addiction... Next time I had a
really bad cold, I was able to stop taking it... I'll be damned if I'll ever
take that crap again...
Barney - 17 Aug 2004 05:31 GMT
>>Oh, and use Afrin.  Doesn't make you drowsy, doesn't
>> have any recoil effects like sudafed.
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>really bad cold, I was able to stop taking it... I'll be damned if I'll ever
>take that crap again...

Addictive?  I got to the point, once, where I had to use Afrin to keep
my sinuses from clogging up as a matter of routine.  Once I got
'unhooked' I never had any real temptation to go back to that li'l
bottle.  I quit smoking a year ago ... and not a day goes by ...  :-)

The Afrin thing can kinda creep up on you.  I got away from it after
an a.s chewing and a prescription from a doctor.  I know you've got to
follow the directions on the bottle (something about prolonged usage).

All that said ... if your sinuses are blocked ... Afrin will undo 'em,
but it does wear off eventually.  So _don't_ get caught in the middle
of a dive when that's gonna happen.

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That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
-Friedrich Nietzsche-
Barney - 17 Aug 2004 05:30 GMT
>    Ugh, it's been four days since my first lesson (Thursday 12) and my ears
>still feel funny.  It's the same problem, I open my mouth up wide or swallow
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>anything like that.  If what I'm hearing are small blood vessels popping,
>then how many days does it take for all those things to pop?

No one on this group can give you accurate advice for your specific
condition.  Know why?  You can't be physically examined properly here.

1.  Go see your doctor.  There are a whole bunch of remedies for the
condition you describe.  Most of 'em deal with drying out your
eustachian tubes.
2.  Give some serious consideration to waiting through this.  I
suspect this'll go away based on past experience.  YMMV
3.  You haven't figured out how to equalize yet ... so let your
instruktor know before you get back in the water.

--
Barnacle Barney
That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
-Friedrich Nietzsche-
Clint - 18 Aug 2004 19:15 GMT
>     Ugh, it's been four days since my first lesson (Thursday 12) and my ears
> still feel funny.

If you feel that you are prone to ear problems and equalizing under water,
like the others suggested, take a decongestant.  However, if you plan to
take decongestants prior to diving, make sure you take the long acting ones
like Sudefed.  You don't want to effects of the drug to wear off while you
are under water.

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Greg Mossman - 18 Aug 2004 21:40 GMT
> >     Ugh, it's been four days since my first lesson (Thursday 12) and my
> ears
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> like Sudefed.  You don't want to effects of the drug to wear off while you
> are under water.

Pseudoephedrine lasts only 4 hours unless it's the "extended release" kind.
Even then, you're screwed if you start diving in the morning and dive
through the afternoon and night.  You can take more, but it won't be easy to
get to sleep.

Afrin is far superior, and lasts 12 hours, except that the "rebound" effect
has you even more congested the next morning.  So you hit the plastic bottle
again and again until your nose is burning and you're addicted to the stuff.
Chris Guynn - 18 Aug 2004 21:44 GMT
<snip>
> Afrin is far superior, and lasts 12 hours, except that the "rebound" effect
> has you even more congested the next morning.  So you hit the plastic bottle
> again and again until your nose is burning and you're addicted to the stuff.

Personal experience?
Greg Mossman - 18 Aug 2004 23:03 GMT
> <snip>
> > Afrin is far superior, and lasts 12 hours, except that the "rebound"
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Personal experience?

I always cut myself off cold turkey after a dive trip, but I've definitely
experienced the rebound effect.  Doc (ENT) gave me a nasal steroid (Nasonex)
to use for the burning.  He also told me I could take the entire 120mg daily
limit of Sudafed at one time if I really want to be clear, but I doubt my
blood pressure appreciates that.  I think he's in cahoots with the
cardiologist next door.
nospam@all.please.net - 18 Aug 2004 22:48 GMT
> Pseudoephedrine lasts only 4 hours unless it's the "extended release" kind.
> Even then, you're screwed if you start diving in the morning and dive
> through the afternoon and night.  You can take more, but it won't be easy to
> get to sleep.

Rum in sufficient quantity will help you sleep.
Greg Mossman - 18 Aug 2004 23:17 GMT
> > Pseudoephedrine lasts only 4 hours unless it's the "extended release" kind.
> > Even then, you're screwed if you start diving in the morning and dive
> > through the afternoon and night.  You can take more, but it won't be easy to
> > get to sleep.
>
> Rum in sufficient quantity will help you sleep.

Ya.  I figgered that out myself.  But then I snore real loud and get in even
more trouble.
A. Craig West - 19 Aug 2004 06:11 GMT
> Pseudoephedrine lasts only 4 hours unless it's the "extended release" kind.
> Even then, you're screwed if you start diving in the morning and dive
> through the afternoon and night.  You can take more, but it won't be easy to
> get to sleep.

> Afrin is far superior, and lasts 12 hours, except that the "rebound" effect
> has you even more congested the next morning.  So you hit the plastic bottle
> again and again until your nose is burning and you're addicted to the stuff.

I don't know, the Sudafed I take is supposed to be 12 hour as well, and it
has been really working well for me. I tend to take one the night before
diving, and one about an hour before the first dive. I used to use Dristan
(same as Afrin) and the rebound was a killer...

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