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Scuba Forum / General / August 2004Question . . .If in the past
a computer systems company had provided a data system (a DOS) and then updated/changed the whole program and then offered a new system . . that certain parties didn't sign up for, is it OK to use it at will? In other words, a few of my clients are using a system/program that they used to pay for. When the computer company completely updated/changed their system they allowed left the old system in place but said they would not support it and don't charge for it. I have other clients that could really make good use of the old program. I'm wondering if there is a copyright violation by having the old DOS system (no longer in use by the creating company) copied and used elsewhere. Can we copy the program and use it elsewhere? > a computer systems company had provided a data system (a DOS) and then > updated/changed the whole program and then [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (no longer in use by the creating company) copied and used elsewhere. Can > we copy the program and use it elsewhere? not legally  SignatureIf you don't go there, you will never know what is there. I ain't looking for trouble,.....but you can find it here. > I'm wondering if there is a copyright violation by having the old DOS system > (no longer in use by the creating company) copied and used elsewhere. Can > we copy the program and use it elsewhere? Probably not, unless the creating company specifically allows you do to so (ask them, it can't hurt) or has affirmatively dedicated the old software to the public domain. Beyond copyright law, software is usually tied to very wordy licenses that may or may not be effective in your jurisdiction. The software companies take the approach, often sanctioned by the courts, that they don't "sell" the software, they merely "license" its use. And copying it, no matter how old, is probably a violation of the license agreement. Even if you "move" it without making a copy, i.e. physically transport the hard drive on which the program is located to the new company, you may be violating the license agreement even though you're not making a copy and violating copyright law. Of course Canada, being a funny country, probably has funny laws. Consult a local lawyer who will charge you plenty to give you a guarded ambiguous answer. (How do you hang a shingle on an 'igaloo' without cracking the ice?) For my less guarded but probably wrong response, I charge only a drink (in U.S. ounces please; Canadian milliliters not accepted as payment). >>I'm wondering if there is a copyright violation by having the old DOS > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > ice?) For my less guarded but probably wrong response, I charge only a > drink (in U.S. ounces please; Canadian milliliters not accepted as payment). I have to hand it to you. You used 170 words(more or less) to NOT give an answer... Really, this is a compliment. it takes skill to do that. I am impressed. SignatureIf you don't go there, you will never know what is there. I ain't looking for trouble,.....but you can find it here. > >>I'm wondering if there is a copyright violation by having the old DOS > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Really, this is a compliment. it takes skill to do that. I am impressed. He's good. He's -very- good. (but no, he still can't date my daughter). Alan >>>>I'm wondering if there is a copyright violation by having the old DOS >>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Alan I'm still waiting for pictures SignatureIf you don't go there, you will never know what is there. I ain't looking for trouble,.....but you can find it here. > I have to hand it to you. You used 170 words(more or less) to NOT give > an answer... He did answer, just what I was looking for. > Really, this is a compliment. it takes skill to do that. I am impressed. Well, he's an impressive guy . . even just in general. But he has to come to Canada for the drink that I now owe him. And I'll even buy him a couple of doubles, whether in liters or quarts. > >>I'm wondering if there is a copyright violation by having the old DOS > > Probably not, unless the creating company specifically allows you do to so > > (ask them, it can't hurt) or has affirmatively dedicated the old software to > > the public domain. > I have to hand it to you. You used 170 words(more or less) to NOT give > an answer... The first two words of my response were "probably not". The law has few bright lines. If you ask the question "can I legally kill my wife" I would give you the same answer, "probably not". Give me more facts and I can give you a better answer like the one I gave chilly in an e-mail. > Really, this is a compliment. it takes skill to do that. I am impressed. Flatter me all you want, I'm still not sending you my picture. Why don't you ask Alan for a picture of Anneke? She's almost as good-looking as me. > How do you hang a shingle on an 'igaloo' without cracking the > ice? Heated nails... The trick is to have the the right temperature such that by the time they have reached their maximum depth, they have lost all of their heat and become frozen in place... But then again, I'm from Texas and the only thing we know about ice is how it goes in drinks... > a computer systems company had provided a data system (a DOS) and then > updated/changed the whole program and then [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (no longer in use by the creating company) copied and used elsewhere. Can > we copy the program and use it elsewhere? I'm going to take a different approach to this than I've seen from others. Chances are that anybody that has a machine that can work effectively using nothing more advanced than DOS, was originally licensed for DOS. If so, using it is not a copyright violation. Lee > "chilly" wrote > I'm going to take a different approach to this than I've seen from others. > Chances are that anybody that has a machine that can work effectively using > nothing more advanced than DOS, was originally licensed for DOS. If so, > using it is not a copyright violation. Thanks for all of the input gang. I called the company and they told me I was free to do with it what I will. So I was thinking I'll sell it to a bunch of little companies that can use that kind of system. (just kidding) > Thanks for all of the input gang. I called the company and they told me I > was free to do with it what I will. It might be a good idea to get that in writing. > > Thanks for all of the input gang. I called the company and they told me I > > was free to do with it what I will. > > It might be a good idea to get that in writing. I got what I needed from the person I needed to hear it from and it's all documented, but thanks for your input. He went on to ask me if I'd like to work with him developing another small system. I'm considering it. > > > Thanks for all of the input gang. I called the company and they told me > I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > He went on to ask me if I'd like to work with him developing another small > system. I'm considering it. Doors open to you; If you step through, you will likely find other doors to open to you. If you step through, and it sucks, either go back, or step through another door. If you don't step through, you'll never be exposed to the other doors, and you will be doomed to wonder "What if?" Id rather step through, take my lumps and find another door, rather than wonder "What if?" The "What if?" is the sh.t that keeps you awake at night. > The "What if?" is the sh.t that keeps you awake at night. But what if there's a loony with a gun waiting behind the door ready to blow you away the second you walk in and then tell the cops it was a legally justified shooting? Naw. I always knock first. Even if the door is open. > He went on to ask me if I'd like to work with him developing another small > system. I'm considering it. Don't forget my 30%. > > He went on to ask me if I'd like to work with him developing another small > > system. I'm considering it. > > Don't forget my 30%. Too late. For someone trained in law, you ain't too smart sometimes. > > > He went on to ask me if I'd like to work with him developing another > small [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Too late. For someone trained in law, you ain't too smart sometimes. Or maybe I am too smart. > > > > He went on to ask me if I'd like to work with him developing another > > small [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Or maybe I am too smart. Oh really? Where's the contract, written or verbal? >>>>>He went on to ask me if I'd like to work with him developing another >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Oh really? Where's the contract, written or verbal? I understood what he implied... (For 40% of his 30%, of course....) SignatureIf you don't go there, you will never know what is there. I ain't looking for trouble,.....but you can find it here. > >>>>>He went on to ask me if I'd like to work with him developing another > >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > (For 40% of his 30%, of course....) 40% of 30% (net 12%) of nuthin, is nuthin, but you are too smart. Or is that "smart too"? > 40% of 30% (net 12%) of nuthin, is nuthin, but you are too smart. Or is > that "smart too"? I think I'm in love. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? 40% of 30% (net 12%) of nuthin, is nuthin, but you are too smart. Or is > ? that "smart too"? > > I think I'm in love. So, do ya wanna getta room? > > ? 40% of 30% (net 12%) of nuthin, is nuthin, but you are too smart. Or is > > ? that "smart too"? > > > > I think I'm in love. > > So, do ya wanna getta room? nospam is buying. >>>? 40% of 30% (net 12%) of nuthin, is nuthin, but you are too smart. Or > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > nospam is buying. Can I bring camera? > > ? 40% of 30% (net 12%) of nuthin, is nuthin, but you are too smart. Or is > > ? that "smart too"? > > > > I think I'm in love. > > So, do ya wanna getta room? Sure. But since pre-season has started, it has to have cable. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? "Jammer Six" <jammer@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message > ? news:cg1gld$86e$0$216.39.146.232@theriver.com... > ? > In article <tMUUc.145858$gE.100313@pd7tw3no>, chilly > ? > <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote: > ? > > ? > ? 40% of 30% (net 12%) of nuthin, is nuthin, but you are too smart. Or is > ? > ? that "smart too"? > ? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > But since pre-season has started, it has to have cable. No problem, I'm sure that nospam will spring for that too. > ? "Jammer Six" <jammer@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message > ? news:cg1gld$86e$0$216.39.146.232@theriver.com... > ? > In article <tMUUc.145858$gE.100313@pd7tw3no>, chilly > ? > <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote: > ? > > ? > ? 40% of 30% (net 12%) of nuthin, is nuthin, but you are too smart. Or is > ? > ? that "smart too"? > ? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > But since pre-season has started, it has to have cable. I think the 'Hawks have a shot at impressing this year. A much better shot than my 'Fins anyway. Dave. >> > > > He went on to ask me if I'd like to work with him developing another >> > small [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Oh really? Where's the contract, written or verbal? You two need to get a room. >> Thanks for all of the input gang. I called the company and they told me I >> was free to do with it what I will. > >It might be a good idea to get that in writing. I never do any security work (read "white hat hacking") without a letter of authorization signed by an officer. Signaturedillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark and the horse's name was Bob. |
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