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Scuba Forum / General / August 2004First Lesson Finally!
Well, I have finally had my first scuba lesson. Over all very interesting. I tell ya one thing first off - I am super tired. I had to swim back and fourth 15 times for the first water test. Now, I don't consider myself a weakling, but I quickly lost major energy after five or six laps. I'm not sure how many laps I actually completed. The instructor headed to the main office while I did the laps. He poked his head in from time to time to make sure I was alright. I think he did this on purpose so I could do all the laps I was able to do and then say, after he came back in, that I completed the 15 laps. I lost count after 10 laps, but I think if I didn't get 15, I sure as heck came close, 13,14, or 15. Treading water for 10 minutes was not much of a problem, I just floated on my back. Anyway, setting up the scuba equipment was no problem at all. I set up my equipment, then took it all apart. I guess the most important thing to remember is to put the first stage dust cover on and not let water in it. Then I set up my equipment again, and set up my instructors equipment. We used small aluminum tanks. I'm not sure the size/volume. They were around 3000psi. I was shocked by how heavy they weighed. Around 40 pounds I think. The weight belt with weights kind of heavy too. Then again, I was completely tired from that 15 lap swim, my arms were aching a little. So maybe next week that tank and weights wont be so heavy for me with my full strength. We sat at the edge of he pool, and slid our arms into the bdc. Getting my arms into the bcd with that heavy tank on was a little challenge. But I found out I had air in my bcd. So deflating it made it easier. I was shocked that you can fill a bcd up very quickly with the low pressure inflator. Also using your longs doesn't take long to fill it up. After I dropped my head under water for the first time I was shocked by so many bubbles from the regulator. I didn't know the bubbles coming out would be so many and so loud too. We went over the usual things, regulator recover and stuff. That was no problem at all. I thought the easiest method of clearing a regulator is simply exhaling into it. But I really like putting it in my mouth first, then pressing the purge button while my tongue blocks of some of the air. My instructor said the problem most people have in the course is clearing a mask. And after doing it a couple of times I completely agree. I had to pull the mask off my face a little to let water in. Then exhale thru my nose to clear it. It was difficult to inhale thru the regulator while exhaling thru my nose, plus felling that water around my eyes. But I did it and my instructor was satisfied. When we finally swam to the deep end I sunk like a stone. I didn't put any air in my bcd. I was a little surprised the tank pulled me down like that. Plus trying to sit on my knees was a little difficult. Then, when I did shoot air in my bcd, a couple of seconds later I shot up. Again, I was shocked you can fill air in your bcd so quickly and it takes you right up. I can see neutral buoyancy is something that tanks time to develop. I was also surprised how much bigger things look. I actually got a little disoriented a few seconds in the deep end. I turned around to face the shallow end, but didn't see it, then turned around again, and didn't see it either. One more turn and I found it. Some what disorienting. Also, the first dive to the deep end I really felt the pressure on my ears. We swam back to the shallow end, then after that I think I equalized the right way and didn't feel much pressure on my ears when I went back to the deep end. But I do have this feeling that I have water stuck in my ears or something. Or my sinuses are giving me trouble. Anyway, before this class, I have been thru the Padi cdrom course so much and have read so many magazines that I thought If I stumbled upon a full set of scuba gear while walking on a beach in the Caribbean, I could put it on, jump in, and go scuba diving as good as any pro without taking any classes. Boy, was I wrong. I had just one thing on my mind when I got home - break open my 18 year old Kentucky bourbon, sit down, and relax. > When we finally swam to the deep end I sunk like a stone. I didn't put > any air in my bcd. I was a little surprised the tank pulled me down like > that. Plus trying to sit on my knees was a little difficult. Then, when I > did shoot air in my bcd, a couple of seconds later I shot up. Again, I was > shocked you can fill air in your bcd so quickly and it takes you right up. > I can see neutral buoyancy is something that tanks time to develop. Thanks for writing about your first class. We sometimes forget what it was like the first time we did this crazy underwater thing. <soapbox> Your comments about buoyancy are especially insightful. As you noticed, neutral buoyancy is both hard to acheive and really, really important. I think one of the issues people have with scuba training today (with the exception of GUE) is that instead of embracing buoyancy as a fundamental skill for diving, they try to teach other skills in a way that removes buoyancy from the equation (i.e., kneeling on the bottom while doing mask clearing exercises). This makes it quicker to get underwater safely, but it ultimately does a disservice to the student who never bothers to learn proper weighting and buoyancy control, but gets a c-card anyway. </soapbox> Thanks for taking the time to write about your experiences. I look forward to reading more. Alan > Thanks for taking the time to write about your experiences. I look > forward to reading more. Ditto >> Thanks for taking the time to write about your experiences. I look >> forward to reading more. > > Ditto re-ditto As for the ears, remember that shallow (like a pool) is hardest on them. >>> Thanks for taking the time to write about your experiences. I look >>> forward to reading more. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >As for the ears, remember that shallow (like a pool) is hardest on them. Equalize like you vote. Early and often.  Signaturedillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark and the horse's name was Bob. (snip discourse of usual first time pool experience) You see VanF, we warned you that you really needed to take your lessons before you understood some of the answers to the questions that you had asked. As for your ears feeling full, you've probably done the usual to them. You didn't equalize properly: it is a learned skill. Did your instructor not give you any advice in this regard before you went into the water? In any event, the usual thing that happens with new divers is that they don't equalize early enough or often enough and when they do equalize . . .they blow too hard. You must have another lesson or two coming up, yes? Make sure that your ears are OK (not infected) before you continue. > (snip discourse of usual first time pool experience) > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You must have another lesson or two coming up, yes? Make sure that your > ears are OK (not infected) before you continue. Yep, next Thursday is my next class. I realize now that you need to equalize as soon as your under water. And yes, my instructor told me how to equalize. I guess I didn't think it was all that important. Now I realize it is. I look forward to tackling the next lesson with full strength. > Yep, next Thursday is my next class. I realize now that you need to > equalize as soon as your under water. And yes, my instructor told me how to > equalize. I guess I didn't think it was all that important. Now I realize > it is. I look forward to tackling the next lesson with full strength. Start equalizing before you go under the water. >>(snip discourse of usual first time pool experience) >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > equalize. I guess I didn't think it was all that important. Now I realize > it is. I look forward to tackling the next lesson with full strength. Equalize before you get under water - work them ears! > (snip discourse of usual first time pool experience) > > You must have another lesson or two coming up, yes? Make sure that your > ears are OK (not infected) before you continue. I've read that the worse thing that can happen to your yours is rupture or blow your ear drum. What exactly happens when you rupture your ear drum? Is it something you would definitly notice? Like, would you be screaming in paign or something? > I've read that the worse thing that can happen to your yours is rupture > or blow your ear drum. What exactly happens when you rupture your ear drum? > Is it something you would definitly notice? Like, would you be screaming in > paign or something? It's possible to rupture an eardrum and not even know it, but it's extremely unlikely that would happen while diving. The not noticing part, that is; rupturing an eardrum is certainly a possibility. Even worse, you can rupture the round window in your middle ear. A ruptured eardrum can heal leaving no permanent damage, but a ruptured round window is likely to leave you with permanent damage. Damaging your inner ear is something you would most likely do by making a valsalva too forcefully. Not equalizing is your best net for rupturing an eardrum, but it's more likely to happen while ascending. When you descend the pain from not equalizing would probably clue you in, but if you are unable to equalize while ascending running out of air will allow you to put up with the pain as the lesser of two evils. Go back to your Cd-rom and review all the stuff about equalizing and ears. SignatureSteve The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable belief that it was intended as a statement of fact. If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address. > > I've read that the worse thing that can happen to your yours is rupture > > or blow your ear drum. What exactly happens when you rupture your ear drum? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > allow you to put up with the pain as the lesser of two evils. Go back to your Cd-rom > and review all the stuff about equalizing and ears. I suppose I should ask, can you damage your ears just scuba diving in a regular sized swimming pool during closed water training? > I suppose I should ask, can you damage your ears just scuba diving in a > regular sized swimming pool during closed water training? Yer more likely to damage an ear in the pool than you are in open water. Consider: In a 10' pool, the pressure diff from bottom to surface is roughly one third. On a 130' open water dive, a one third pressure diff will take you to about 75'. (I'm doing this in my head, nitpickers). In the pool, with yer buoyancy skills and the up and down of lessons, a small lapse in clearing or a small constriction of the eustachian tubes will raise hell. From 130 to 75 takes a lot more time, the pressure change is more gradual, ya have more time to equalize even without thinking about it. Personally, I hate shallow dives and pool work because my head always feels like hell afterwards. No problem below 30' though. When you get to yer open water, you'll find that almost all the equalization problems are in that first 15 - 20'. > I suppose I should ask, can you damage your ears just scuba diving in a > regular sized swimming pool during closed water training? Possible, but it's also possible to damage your ears while you are high and dry. Remember, the first 15 feet have a great pressure shift. Start clearing before you feel pressure. Stop descending or ascend a couple feet until the feeling of pressure is gone while you attempt to clear. It will become second nature with a little practice. > I suppose I should ask, can you damage your ears just scuba diving in a > regular sized swimming pool during closed water training? Absolutely!!!!! > > (snip discourse of usual first time pool experience) > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is it something you would definitly notice? Like, would you be screaming in > paign or something? Fortunately, I've no idea how that would feel. Unfortunately, I do know what it feels like to blow too hard when learning how to dive. I do know how it feels to have a nasty ear infection from improper equalizing. Unfortunately, I also know how it feels to have a reverse block. As Steve was telling you, there's a point at which one has to decide to endure the pain and ascend anyway. Fortunately for me, that *very* painful reverse block cleared itself and I was able to ascend pain free. I hope to never experience that again. Unfortunately, I do know > what it feels like to blow too hard when learning how to dive. ;0) Practice makes perfect! Dave. > Unfortunately, I do know > > what it feels like to blow too hard when learning how to dive. > > ;0) > Practice makes perfect! Shhh . . . truck secrets. > > Unfortunately, I do know > > > what it feels like to blow too hard when learning how to dive. > > > > Practice makes perfect! > > Shhh . . . truck secrets. ;0) Dave. >>(snip discourse of usual first time pool experience) >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is it something you would definitly notice? Like, would you be screaming in > paign or something? Yes - you'll know! no personal experience - however the eardrum when ruptured will allow water to pass to the middle ear. I am quite sure that is very unpleasant - OUCH! Plus now are you balance mechanisms are thrown into a tizzy! (or dizzy) >Yes - you'll know! no personal experience - however the eardrum when >ruptured will allow water to pass to the middle ear. I am quite sure >that is very unpleasant - OUCH! Plus now are you balance mechanisms >are thrown into a tizzy! (or dizzy) I've just read in the Rescue Diver manual that the immediate effect is a relief from the water pressure, and that this is one way to identify a possible rupture. SignatureRichard Faulkner >> Yes - you'll know! no personal experience - however the eardrum when >> ruptured will allow water to pass to the middle ear. I am quite sure [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > relief from the water pressure, and that this is one way to identify a > possible rupture. as usual, I misspoke. I think you are correct. It is a rupture of the oval window that causes the exteme pain. > I've read that the worse thing that can happen to your yours is rupture > or blow your ear drum. What exactly happens when you rupture your ear drum? > Is it something you would definitly notice? Like, would you be screaming in > paign or something? There are definitely worse things that can happen to your ears. Symptoms of a ruptured drum can include discomfort, and bloody/clear/or yellow drainage in the outer canal, and a decrease in hearing acuity/tinnitus. Small holes will usually repair themselves. The larger the damage to the drum - the longer it will take or it could even require surgical intervention. The ear canal should be kept water/fluid free until healing occurs. More severe ear damage can be indicated by profound hearing loss, vertigo, and small rapid involuntary eye movement and should be followed up by an otolaryngologist asap. I knew someone who ruptured her eardrum in a dive immediately after finishing our AOW class. She apparently did a fairly rapid ascent from 90fsw, I would count her lucky that's all she got. >> (snip discourse of usual first time pool experience) >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Is it something you would definitly notice? Like, would you be screaming in >paign or something? Acording to my wife, it hurts like a son of a bitch, then suddenly, no pain. When you get out of water, sound is odd. But no real pain. We pack an otoscope, as she's always had ear trouble. I've learned how to use it pretty well, not something to learn on your own, though. Signaturedillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark and the horse's name was Bob. > >> (snip discourse of usual first time pool experience) > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > We pack an otoscope, as she's always had ear trouble. I've learned > how to use it pretty well, not something to learn on your own, though. Well, a problem I'm having now is when I move my jaw from left to right, or swallow, I hear a popping sound. Last night when I got home from the lesson I thought it might be water. After a nights sleep, the popping sound has been less, but it's still there. Could this popping sound I hear be the eustachian tube? And why would I be hearing popping 24 hours after the dive? Could there be air stuck in there or something? I can say that my sinuses have been hit pretty hard (like everybody else here) because we are experiencing unusually cold weather here in the mid-west. I've been blowing my nose a lot the last week or so. I do get the feeling this popping sound will be gone in the next couple of days. It seems to be less severe today from yesterday after I got home from the lesson. > Well, a problem I'm having now is when I move my jaw from left to right, > or swallow, I hear a popping sound. Last night when I got home from the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > popping sound will be gone in the next couple of days. It seems to be less > severe today from yesterday after I got home from the lesson. Have you tried taking a decongestant? > Well, a problem I'm having now is when I move my jaw from left to right, > or swallow, I hear a popping sound. Last night when I got home from the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > popping sound will be gone in the next couple of days. It seems to be less > severe today from yesterday after I got home from the lesson. THe first time I dove I had this problem (still do) - the doc (who was a diver) told me that I experienced small blood vessels behind the eardrum rupturing and causing some blood to gather in that area. He told me it would clear and that I would probably have the problem every time I dive. The blood can dry or coagulate a bit and clog the tubes. I find it beneficial to keep clearing my ears - but not forcibly. This helps me keep that junk moving behind the ear drums. As chilly advised - take a decongestant - having a cold is probably just adding insult to your ear problem. As a side note - I have never had a cold in which my ears became clogged until after I took up scuba diving. > THe first time I dove I had this problem (still do) - the doc (who was a > diver) told me that I experienced small blood vessels behind the eardrum [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it beneficial to keep clearing my ears - but not forcibly. This helps > me keep that junk moving behind the ear drums. Well, do those small blood vessels rupturing cause any permanent damage? I just woke up and still have that popping sound in my right year, not so much in my left. I was thinking I might have damaged my eustachian tube or something. Do those small blood vessels rupturing cause any permanent damage? Do ears become accustomed to this after time? >>THe first time I dove I had this problem (still do) - the doc (who was a >>diver) told me that I experienced small blood vessels behind the eardrum [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > something. Do those small blood vessels rupturing cause any permanent > damage? Do ears become accustomed to this after time? Shouldn't be permanent damage. It should clear up, only a doc knows for sure. If you do a lot of diving then your ears may become accustomed - but I obviously don't do enough diving. I do experience less and less over the years. The popping is the fluid/blood draining and the eustachian tube clearing up/draining. >>>THe first time I dove I had this problem (still do) - the doc (who was a >>>diver) told me that I experienced small blood vessels behind the eardrum [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >The popping is the fluid/blood draining and the eustachian tube clearing >up/draining. There are some easy medical solutions to this problem. I shan't act like a doctor but I will say the words "dose pack". I had a drainage problem once and the doc gave me a scrip that cleared it up in three days. Signaturedillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark and the horse's name was Bob. > Well, I have finally had my first scuba lesson. Over all very > interesting. I tell ya one thing first off - I am super tired. I had to > swim back and fourth 15 times for the first water test. Don't worry about it. You don't need to be able to swim at all to dive. If you surface from a dive and the boat is missing you might find swimming to be a useful skill, but until things go wrong swimming is an unnecessary skill. Even if you do find yourself in the middle of the ocean with no boat in sight, as long as you have a mask and snorkel (fins may be useful, too) you still won't be swimming in the same sense as whatever you did for your laps in the pool. I don't consider myself to be a strong swimmer but I can snorkel for hours with no problem at all. Some people will suggest that you don't need a snorkel when you're diving, and just like the abilty to swim, it isn't something you need when things are going well. > We used small aluminum tanks. I'm not sure the size/volume. They were > around 3000psi. I was shocked by how heavy they weighed. Around 40 pounds > I think. Probably an AL 80, a tank made of aluminum and holding 80 cubic feet (when filled to 3000 psi). Ask next time. > We sat at the edge of he pool, and slid our arms into the bdc. Getting > my arms into the bcd with that heavy tank on was a little challenge. But I > found out I had air in my bcd. So deflating it made it easier. Make sure the straps are loose, too. The second arm is a bit of a PITA. If you point your arms down and back and put them both in as you sit down you may find it easier. > After I dropped my head under water for the first time I was shocked by > so many bubbles from the regulator. I didn't know the bubbles coming out > would be so many and so loud too. You'll get used to it, and it won't seem as loud later, but that's another reason to get comfortable and stop breathing so much air. > It was difficult to inhale thru the regulator > while exhaling thru my nose, plus felling that water around my eyes. But I > did it and my instructor was satisfied. Plan on doing a lot more of it, including after you finish the class and are doing fun dives. When somebody kicks your mask off you'll be glad for the practice. You'll also be reminded why you shouldn't follow too closely. > When we finally swam to the deep end I sunk like a stone. I didn't put > any air in my bcd. I was a little surprised the tank pulled me down like > that. Properly weighted with a full tank you should have been about 5 pounds heavy at the start. If you were wearing a wetsuit it compressed as you sank making you heavier as you went. Did you get hurt slamming into the bottom? I didn't think so. In deeper water you'll have time to add some air to slow your descent so that you don't crash into the reef. >Then, when I > did shoot air in my bcd, a couple of seconds later I shot up. Again, I was > shocked you can fill air in your bcd so quickly and it takes you right up. Again, a wetsuit would exacerbate the problem on the way up. I think it was one of your questions that got the answer to breathe your way up, and now you know why. When you do add air to the BC you should do it in tiny little bursts with just a short tap on the inflator button. Later you'll have a better idea of how much air you need, and can add more air with a longer push when you need to stop a descent at 75 or 100 feet. When you've gotten neutral at depth you'll want to let air out of the BC before you even start your ascent. Instructors tend to overweight beginners so that they don't shoot to the surface and so they can kneel while doing exercises. In your next class you'll hopefully start working on getting neutral and you'll do fin pivots, where you inhale to pivot up with you fin tips still on the bottom, then exhale to sink back down. > I was also surprised how much bigger things look. That still throws me sometimes. 12 ounce beer bottles look like wine bottles. Things look closer than they are, too. Don't be surprised when you reach for the ladder and miss it. > Also, the first dive to the deep end I really felt the pressure on my > ears. As chilly said, you need to equalize early and often. Since I don't normally have anything else to do with my hands while descending I tend to hold my nose and keep a slight positive pressure down to 60 feet or so. Descending feet first helps if you don't equalize easily. > But I do have this feeling that I have water stuck in my ears > or something. Or my sinuses are giving me trouble. You may well have irritated your sinuses or your ears a bit. If you have a bit of water in your mask and trap a bit in your nose when you equalize it's possible to blow water up your eustachian tubes. That can definitely result in a full feeling that lasts for a couple of days. SignatureSteve The above can be construed as personal opinion in the absence of a reasonable belief that it was intended as a statement of fact. If you want a reply to reach me, remove the SPAMTRAP from the address. >> Well, I have finally had my first scuba lesson. Over all very >> interesting. I tell ya one thing first off - I am super tired. I had to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > diving, and just like the abilty to swim, it isn't something you need > when things are going well. I hope I never get buddied up with you - while you do not need to be an olympic or marathon diver, it is in your best interest to know how to swim. > >> Well, I have finally had my first scuba lesson. Over all very > >> interesting. I tell ya one thing first off - I am super tired. I had to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I hope I never get buddied up with you - while you do not need to be an > olympic or marathon diver, it is in your best interest to know how to swim. Steve is right, though - the way you surface-swim with fins, even if you decide to ditch your gear, is different than what you'd do when swimming without. I was rather tired when I completd my swim tests. In otrder to get a better handle on it, I decided to take a swim class in preparation for the "SLAM (scuba lifesaving and accident management)" class. The instructor knew I was a certified diver (ran the shop, though another taught my class) so he said "let me see your crawl stroke" I showed him. He then said "ok, this is how you do the crawl stroke". :-) If the difficulties in swimming come from doing things wrong, and not from lack of conditioning, then he should be fine finning though the water. If the difficulties came from lack of conditioning, then swimming, cycling, anything would help quite a bit. Dennis SignatureThermonuclear War. It's the -responsible- environmental alternative Popeye >> Don't worry about it. You don't need to be able to swim at all to >> dive. If you surface from a dive and the boat is missing you might [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I hope I never get buddied up with you - while you do not need to be an > olympic or marathon diver, it is in your best interest to know how to swim. If someone is not "a strong swimmer," it doesn't mean he doesn't "know how to swim". Clearly, it is nice to be a strong swimmer but it might be nicer to have signal devices if you are left a few miles out at sea. Even relatively strong swimmers can be overtaken by the sea in not so pleasant conditions. Perhaps floating ability is more important ;-) <snip> > As chilly said, you need to equalize early and often. Since I don't normally have > anything else to do with my hands while descending I tend to hold my nose and keep a > slight positive pressure down to 60 feet or so. Descending feet first helps if you > don't equalize easily. For me, the exact opposite is true. I find it much easier to equalize in a headfirst descent. I think it has to do with the positioning of my head in relation to the rest of my body (i.e. looking "up" instead of "down") > Well, I have finally had my first scuba lesson. Congratulations. Welcome to our world (at least, the entryway). > We used small aluminum tanks. I'm not sure the size/volume. They were > around 3000psi. I was shocked by how heavy they weighed. Around 40 pounds > I think. The weight belt with weights kind of heavy too. Then again, I was > completely tired from that 15 lap swim, my arms were aching a little. So > maybe next week that tank and weights wont be so heavy for me with my full > strength. They're always heavier than I remember them being. > We went over the usual things, regulator recover and stuff. That was no > problem at all. I thought the easiest method of clearing a regulator is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > while exhaling thru my nose, plus felling that water around my eyes. But I > did it and my instructor was satisfied. Did your insturctor cover hand signals before taking you deep? If not, he should have. Don't be afraid or ashamed to admit that you have problems (like pain in the ears). Glad to hear your experiences. I look forward to hearing more as you progress through the different stages. Welcome to the world of SCUBA. Thanks for sharing your newbie insights. It's good to see that you were prepared for most of what you came across and that you can tell what you weren't ready for. Have a great time with this sport! - David > Well, I have finally had my first scuba lesson. >snip< [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > shocked you can fill air in your bcd so quickly and it takes you right up. > I can see neutral buoyancy is something that tanks time to develop. You'll get used to it. Take things slow, use short 'bursts' on the inflator button, then wait a few seconds to see the result. You'll get it quicker than ya might think. > I was also surprised how much bigger things look. Don't let people catch you looking at it all the time.....it seems to freak some people out! ??? dunno what all that's about! ;) > Anyway, before this class, I have been thru the Padi cdrom course so > much and have read so many magazines that I thought If I stumbled upon a > full set of scuba gear while walking on a beach in the Caribbean, I could > put it on, jump in, and go scuba diving as good as any pro without taking > any classes. Boy, was I wrong. I had just one thing on my mind when I got > home - break open my 18 year old Kentucky bourbon, sit down, and relax. That's what it's all about. Have a blast next (this) week. Dave.
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