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Von Fourche - 02 Aug 2004 05:35 GMT
   Ok, if I get Open Water Padi certified, then some time late in the year
or early 2005 I want to head off to some island in the Caribbean and dive
for a week.

   But how in the heck do I pick what Island I want to go to, and then how
do I set it up?  I just bought a dive site book to the Cayman Islands, but I
really have no idea if that's where I want to do my first ocean diving.

   I'm not looking for the greatest and best dive sites, I just want to
dive for a week and see lots of coral and fish.  Of course I need to pay a
company to supply me with a guide to take me out to the sites and watch over
me and all that.

   So where do I begin?  Are there any tourist companies here in the U.S.
that specialize in Caribbean diving?  Or is it going to be all up to me in
finding the right resort, finding the dive operators, etc..?

   Or should I totally forget diving in the Caribbean and do my first ocean
dive in Southern Florida?

   How do some of you who read and post to rec.scuba set up your diving
trips?

Thanks
Steve - 02 Aug 2004 05:52 GMT
>     But how in the heck do I pick what Island I want to go to, and then how
> do I set it up?  I just bought a dive site book to the Cayman Islands, but I
> really have no idea if that's where I want to do my first ocean diving.

Start by going here:
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

In the box that says "with all of the words" type Caribbean
In the box that says "newsgroup" type rec.scuba.locations.
Where it says "message dates" you might want to choose something less than everything
since 1981.
Go to the bathroom and have something to eat first. You're going to be there for a
while.

>     I'm not looking for the greatest and best dive sites, I just want to
> dive for a week and see lots of coral and fish.  Of course I need to pay a
> company to supply me with a guide to take me out to the sites and watch over
> me and all that.

That's one option. Better still, find a dive buddy and put some confidence in what
you've learned about diving before getting there, and just go diving. It's goint to
cost extra if you want somebody from a dive op to actually watch over you. FWIW,
depending on your schedule I'm probably available. I'll need to take time off from
work, but I can still do it for expenses plus $200/week, as long as you only go for a
week or two.

>     So where do I begin?  Are there any tourist companies here in the U.S.
> that specialize in Caribbean diving?  Or is it going to be all up to me in
> finding the right resort, finding the dive operators, etc..?

Like almost all of the questions you've asked here, your instructor and/or dive shop
can help you out. Not only are there companies that specialize in dive travel (to
almost any place that offers diving), they will pay a commission to the dive shop.
That will make the shop happy, and you may even be able to get them to share the
commission in the form of a better price on some gear.

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Von Fourche - 02 Aug 2004 06:03 GMT
> Start by going here:
> http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> since 1981.
> Go to the bathroom and have something to eat first. You're going to be there for a

   Dang, I didn't see that my news server had rec.scuba.locations.  And I
just checked for all the scuba news groups an hour ago.  But to my surprise
it does carry it.

   Thanks!
Kevin Falconer - 02 Aug 2004 13:17 GMT
Steve <SPAMTRAPglawackus@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<uMjPc.111487FWIW,
> depending on your schedule I'm probably available. I'll need to take time off from
> work, but I can still do it for expenses plus $200/week, as long as you only go for a
> week or two.

tell me your joking here, please.....

Kevin Falconer  Fort Myers, FL
Chris Guynn - 02 Aug 2004 18:44 GMT
> Steve <SPAMTRAPglawackus@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<uMjPc.111487FWIW,
> > depending on your schedule I'm probably available. I'll need to take time off from
> > work, but I can still do it for expenses plus $200/week, as long as you only go for a
> > week or two.
>
> tell me your joking here, please.....

Seems reasonable to me.  He takes a week or two off from work, gets $200
bucks a week + a free dive trip.  Sounds like a pretty good deal for Steve.

> Kevin Falconer  Fort Myers, FL
Kevin Falconer - 03 Aug 2004 00:38 GMT
"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> wrote in message

> Seems reasonable to me.  He takes a week or two off from work, gets $200
> bucks a week + a free dive trip.  Sounds like a pretty good deal for Steve.

Well if the guys takin' bids I'll do it for $100 week plus all expenses
..........so where we divin' ?

Kevin Falconer  Fort Myers, FL
Steve - 03 Aug 2004 03:35 GMT
> Well if the guys takin' bids I'll do it for $100 week plus all expenses
> ...........so where we divin' ?

Well, I don't want to suggest that you're unqualified, but would he really be wise to
hire somebody who didn't even recognize my offer as a good deal?

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Alan Street - 02 Aug 2004 06:04 GMT
>     Ok, if I get Open Water Padi certified, then some time late in the year
> or early 2005 I want to head off to some island in the Caribbean and dive
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Thanks

By focusing on the diving, and less on the details.

Where are you now?

Can you dive there? (the answer is probably yes, although the diving
may be far less than ideal). Many of us live in decent diving locations
and dive locally a lot, but still travel to distant dive locations (for
example, I live in San Diego, but dive in SE Asia somewhat regularily).

If you want to travel to dive, where can you travel to? Where is too
far or too expensive? Are you travelling with non-divers?

rec.scuba.locations is also a good place to post your travel related
questions. I've cross-posted this to r.s.l, so you might want to check
out the responses there as well.

Alan
Dan Bracuk - 02 Aug 2004 13:46 GMT
In article <fwjPc.5940$cK.4712@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Von
:Fourche <monaco8292@hotmail.com> wrote:
:>     But how in the heck do I pick what Island I want to go to, and then how
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
:> company to supply me with a guide to take me out to the sites and watch over
:> me and all that.

Don't overanalyze something simple.  Pick a place and go.  The worse
that can happen is that you won't have a good time.  By the way, there
are worse places than the Cayman Islands.

Dan Bracuk
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Steve - 03 Aug 2004 03:39 GMT
> Don't overanalyze something simple.  Pick a place and go.  The worse
> that can happen is that you won't have a good time.

The worst that will happen is that he'll die a slow death 130 miles from shore and
130 miles from the boat he got off of at the beginning of his last dive, and a couple
of years later we'll be talking about the movie they make about him.

Well, I suppose he could also wind up in some miserable foreign prison, wishing he
had been left behind to drown.

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Scott - 03 Aug 2004 03:53 GMT
> > Don't overanalyze something simple.  Pick a place and go.  The worse
> > that can happen is that you won't have a good time.

> The worst that will happen is that he'll die a slow death 130 miles from shore and
> 130 miles from the boat he got off of at the beginning of his last dive, and a couple
> of years later we'll be talking about the movie they make about him.

> Well, I suppose he could also wind up in some miserable foreign prison, wishing he
> had been left behind to drown.

Or stuck in Gitmo for 2 years with a French passport, enduring medical
experiments...
Dillon Pyron - 03 Aug 2004 15:45 GMT
>> > Don't overanalyze something simple.  Pick a place and go.  The worse
>> > that can happen is that you won't have a good time.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Or stuck in Gitmo for 2 years with a French passport, enduring medical
>experiments...

Technically speaking, they're psych experiements.  Except maybe for
the one with the field telephone.

"Ring 'im up, boys"

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Lee Bell - 02 Aug 2004 12:31 GMT
> Ok, if I get Open Water Padi certified, then some time late in the year
> or early 2005 I want to head off to some island in the Caribbean and dive
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> do I set it up?  I just bought a dive site book to the Cayman Islands, but I
> really have no idea if that's where I want to do my first ocean diving.

You post things like this and wait for everybody to respond with their
favorite sites, tell one another why they're wrong and then fight over who
said what to whom.  Eventually, the discussion will revert to guns, sex,
politics or a combination of one or more of the topics.  At that point, or a
bit earlier if you're lucky, you quit reading the thread.  You also review
all the magazines you can find, all of which will tell you that every
resort, on every island in the world, is the most wonderful place you'll
ever hope to stay and dive.  I almost bet there's an article somewhere that
concludes some shop in Kansas has the best places of all to dive.
Advertisers tend to get favorable reviews.

When you've got all the information possible, on all the sites around the
globe, you'll do what all the rest of us do, pick one and take your chances.
Experience is the best teacher.  Of course, the experience of those you can
trust, including some that post here, can help.

> I'm not looking for the greatest and best dive sites, I just want to
> dive for a week and see lots of coral and fish.  Of course I need to pay a
> company to supply me with a guide to take me out to the sites and watch over
> me and all that.

Why would you pay to travel to the Caribbean and not look for the best dive
sites?  Don't be silly.

There's no "of course" to paying a company to supply you with a guide and, I
hope, you don't need somebody to watch over you.  You are certified, right?
Your card does say that you're qualified to dive unsupervised, right?  The
only "of course" is that you want to book your diving with somebody that
will accomodate your preferences for dives that are within the skill range
your card suggests.

It's been a while since I've been there, but Sunset House, on Grand Cayman,
is the kind of place I would recommend.  When I was there, the dive
operation was top quality and, more important to your needs, they ran more
than one boat, with each boat catering to people of different skill levels.
The dive sites, including those where relatively less experienced divers are
taken, are all very nice, full of colorful coral and lots of fish.

> Or should I totally forget diving in the Caribbean and do my first ocean
> dive in Southern Florida?

How about a combination of the two.  Diving in Florida is likely to be more
economical than travel to the Caribbean and, in my opinion, is every bit as
good an introduction to ocean diving.  The most popular diving is probably
in the Key Largo or Islamorada areas.  Dives tend to be shallow, with low
current.  Some have very nice reefs and most have a lot of fish.  They Keys
are not real cheap.  The Miami area has some nice reef diving, particularly
out of Biscayne National Park.  They also have quite a few wrecks, some of
which are shallow enough to interest a relative novice.  BTW, stay on the
outside of wrecks for now.  The Ft. Lauderdale area is also very nice.  The
reefs are only OK, but the wrecks are very nice.  At the bottom, they're
also on the deepish side for a novice, but the tops are within the range
your certification suggests you should be OK at.  Personally, I like the
land activities of the Ft. Lauderdale area better than either Miami or the
Keys . . . which is part of why I live here.  Boynton Beach, which you'll
find discussed often in this forum, if the favorite of many of the people
here.  Mostly, this is drift diving at moderate depths, anywhere from 40 to
80 feet, give or take.  The reefs are nicer than those in Miami or Ft.
Lauderdale and the fish life is more diverse.  Personally, I like some of
the best reefs in the upper and middle Keys better than Boynton, but mostly
because I find good visibility more predictable in the Keys.  The fact that
I dive the Keys from my own boats has something to do with my preference.  I
dive Boynton more often simply because the logistics are simpler for me.  We
like Splashdown Diver and Deeper, both operating out of the Sea Mist marina
in Boynton Beach.

> How do some of you who read and post to rec.scuba set up your diving
> trips?

The one thing that many of us find most important, is who we share our dive
with.  I tend to travel with the people I plan on being a buddy with.  Lucky
for me, my wife is a diver.  Those that don't have a regular buddy or don't
have one that can travel with them, have to take the lucky of the draw and,
sometimes, the draw isn't all that lucky.

Lee
Joe English - 02 Aug 2004 18:39 GMT
>     Ok, if I get Open Water Padi certified, then some time late in the year
> or early 2005 I want to head off to some island in the Caribbean and dive
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Thanks

The Keys are a good place to start.  Easy diving shallow reefs (all boat
diving).  Key Largo, Marathon, Islamorada, are all good.

Grand Cayman is very expensive and you would want to dive the 7 mile
beach side (the most popular)  the east side is rougher water since it
is the windward side.  I think almost all sites are buoyed - although
some won't be.

Cozumel is very good - all drift diving. Did my first diving there - may
not be the smartest thing but they diving was easy and spectacular.  The
currents can be ripping at some places and non-existent at others.

Bottom line - figure out what you can afford and do it.  Most divers do
their own planning, but many places offer dive packages.
Chris Guynn - 02 Aug 2004 18:42 GMT
>     Ok, if I get Open Water Padi certified, then some time late in the year
> or early 2005 I want to head off to some island in the Caribbean and dive
> for a week.
>
>     But how in the heck do I pick what Island I want to go to, and then how
> do I set it up?

Step one... get a map of the Carribean.
Step two... acquire a dart.
Step three... Hang the map on the wall (preferably one that you don't mind
having holes in... or you could mount the map on a dartboard bfore hanging
it on the wall)
Step four... throw dart at map in such a way that the pointy end will stick
into the map
Step five... determine the island closest to where the dart landed
Step six... come back here and ask us if the island has good diving
Step Seven... if the island has good diving, call your travel agent.
Otherwise, return to step four.

:-)
Steve - 03 Aug 2004 03:45 GMT
> Step Seven... if the island has good diving, call your travel agent.
> Otherwise, return to step four.

That's at least the second post that refers to a "travel agent". That may work well
enough, but a lot of travel agents don't know squat about diving, and won't do
anything for you that a dive travel specialist won't do. If you want to do all of the
research yourself, then a travel agent isn't likely to screw up your trip, but then
why would you want them to get 10% of what you spend?

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dazed and confuzed - 02 Aug 2004 23:53 GMT
>     Ok, if I get Open Water Padi certified, then some time late in the year
> or early 2005 I want to head off to some island in the Caribbean and dive
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Thanks

Blackbeards.

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Popeye NCAT3 - 03 Aug 2004 14:06 GMT
>From: "Von Fourche" monaco8292@hotmail.com

>    Ok, if I get Open Water Padi certified, then some time late in the year
>or early 2005 I want to head off to some island in the Caribbean and dive
>for a week.

 Florida is the best bang for your buck, but everyone's milage may vary.
   
         
                                       Popeye
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                 letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
H. Huntzinger - 06 Aug 2004 12:09 GMT
>     Ok, if I get Open Water Padi certified, then some time late in the year
> or early 2005 I want to head off to some island in the Caribbean and dive
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> do I set it up?  I just bought a dive site book to the Cayman Islands, but I
> really have no idea if that's where I want to do my first ocean diving.

The process of setting up a dive vacation isn't all that different from
setting up a normal vacation:

- pick where to go, and how to get there
- decide where to stay
 - decide what you're going to do when there

> I'm not looking for the greatest and best dive sites...

Well, you don't want to go to a place that stinks either  ;-)

>  So where do I begin?  Are there any tourist companies here in the U.S.
> that specialize in Caribbean diving?  Or is it going to be all up to me in
> finding the right resort, finding the dive operators, etc..?

One good way to start is at a travel agent, for the primary purpose of
picking up a couple of those free magazine-like pamphlets that a couple
of travel consolidators publish.  They typically have listings of
several islands with general descriptions and a bunch of hotels for each
island with various prices.

While you're out, pick up some scuba diving magazines.  For this
exercise, pretty much "one of each" off the rack will do.

First, sit down and read through the travel agent stuff, focusing mostly
on the general island descriptions - what kind of stuff is there, etc.

A couple of islands will probably turn you off and a couple will attract
your eye ... you want to figure out why (what's the common theme or
pattern?).  For example, if you don't care for gambling, you might do a
thumbs down on islands that list casino's as a noteworthy attraction.  
Similarly, if you're not a particularly well experienced traveller, you
might want to lean towards destinations where English (or whatever) is
the official (or is at least a very commonly spoken) language.

After you've started to get a general feel for things, now you can start
to look at the dive rags.  Naturally, every article will have wonderful
diving.  The things to note are which diving descriptions catch your eye
more than others, and which islands that you thought that you might like
(or dislike) from Step #1 are repeated here...this helps you refine your
list again:  if its somewhere that you thought you might like plus
someone's bothering to write about the diving there, you probably have a
destination for your short list.  Now you can look at budget :-)

> Or should I totally forget diving in the Caribbean and do my first ocean
> dive in Southern Florida?

The "real short list" for Caribbean diving in general is going to be the
Florida Keys, Cozumel, Cayman and Bonaire.  Each has its strengths and
weaknesses, including cost.

> How do some of you who read and post to rec.scuba set up your diving
> trips?

A lot of us probably have a short list of "old standards", and we'll
then consider new-for-us destinations based on something we've heard.

To boil down all the logistics to its simplest form, it is then:

1.  Flight
2.  Accommodations
3.  Dive Operation
4.  Local Transportation (eg, rental car)
5.  Booking/Reservations
6.  Passport
7.  Gear
8.  Film
9.  Cash
10.  Go

-hh
 
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