> > Apeks ATX 100?
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> Alun Harford
I'm glad somebody has asked what for?
If you want deep water then go with the X-stream, but expect it to free flow
on low tank pressure at the surface.
If you want dependability, and cheap parts, go apex tx
if you want cheap cheap warm water, then go scubapro.
Defines some limits and there will be a flood of answers.
Cost? Price range? Dive conditions? Usage? Budget for servicing?
OTOH If I had to give you a reg off the top of my head, then it'd be DX4 F/S
with something reasonably good as a second.
Purely because it's a cracking first stage for the money.
but then, I have just spent the night in the pub ;-)
HTH
Chris Painter - 27 Oct 2003 01:11 GMT
> if you want cheap cheap warm water, then go scubapro.
Since when is Scubapro cheap cheap? Surely you mean Sherwood or Mares.
Chris
David Walker - 27 Oct 2003 01:55 GMT
> > if you want cheap cheap warm water, then go scubapro.
>
> Since when is Scubapro cheap cheap? Surely you mean Sherwood or Mares.
Probably the Scubapro Mk2 R190 - often seen on pony packages and seems to be
one of the cheapest regs around. Not much over ?100 for 1st and 2nd stages.
David
Chris Painter - 27 Oct 2003 02:36 GMT
> > > if you want cheap cheap warm water, then go scubapro.
> >
> > Since when is Scubapro cheap cheap? Surely you mean Sherwood or Mares.
>
> Probably the Scubapro Mk2 R190 - often seen on pony packages and seems to be
> one of the cheapest regs around. Not much over ?100 for 1st and 2nd stages.
Well, thats not too bad. See it at Leisure Pro for $155. However if were
looking for cheap cheap and want to compare a piston reg to a piston reg
then the Mares R2 kicks its a.s at $110. Now thats cheap cheap.
Chris
Jon C - 27 Oct 2003 01:53 GMT
> I'm glad somebody has asked what for?
>
> If you want deep water then go with the X-stream, but expect it to free flow
> on low tank pressure at the surface.
> If you want dependability, and cheap parts, go apex tx
> if you want cheap cheap warm water, then go scubapro.
Interesting breakdown. Apeks regs currently hold the depth record AFAIK..
what makes the Xstream better for deep water?
Tricky - 27 Oct 2003 09:01 GMT
> > I'm glad somebody has asked what for?
> >
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> Interesting breakdown. Apeks regs currently hold the depth record AFAIK..
> what makes the Xstream better for deep water?
Uhhhhh.....they're designed specifically for it.
Jon C - 27 Oct 2003 19:01 GMT
> "Jon C" <news@jonnythan.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Interesting breakdown. Apeks regs currently hold the depth record AFAIK..
> > what makes the Xstream better for deep water?
>
> Uhhhhh.....they're designed specifically for it.
So that necessarily means they're better at it?
Tricky - 27 Oct 2003 21:02 GMT
> > "Jon C" <news@jonnythan.com> wrote in message
> > >
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> So that necessarily means they're better at it?
Um? I miss your point?
Aeroplanes are better at flying than cars, because they're designed to do
it......
mike gray, CID - 27 Oct 2003 21:50 GMT
>> Interesting breakdown. Apeks regs currently hold the depth record AFAIK..
>> what makes the Xstream better for deep water?
>
> Uhhhhh.....they're designed specifically for it.
Apeks regs have been to a "record" 833' fsw, well shy of record open
circuit dives.
And the Apeks is about as generic as you can get, hardly designed for
anything other than reducing high pressures to ambient.
TonyP - 27 Oct 2003 23:16 GMT
>>> Interesting breakdown. Apeks regs currently hold the depth record
>>> AFAIK..
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> And the Apeks is about as generic as you can get, hardly designed for
> anything other than reducing high pressures to ambient.
What would you consider to be a good reg for cold deep water diving?
mike gray - 28 Oct 2003 02:00 GMT
> What would you consider to be a good reg for cold deep water diving?
For deep, Poseidon Cyklon Maximum.
I don't know anything about cold.
Laser - 29 Oct 2003 01:44 GMT
>> What would you consider to be a good reg for cold deep water diving?
>
>For deep, Poseidon Cyklon Maximum.
Why?
mike gray - 29 Oct 2003 15:20 GMT
>>> What would you consider to be a good reg for cold deep water diving?
>>
>>For deep, Poseidon Cyklon Maximum.
>>
> Why?
It's the only reg I ever owned that I could not overbreathe at depth.
Unfortunately, they are scarce as hen's teeth.
stuart tyrer - 30 Oct 2003 20:06 GMT
i use apex tx100 no problems in 4 deg down to 96 mtrs
> >>> What would you consider to be a good reg for cold deep water diving?
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> Unfortunately, they are scarce as hen's teeth.
mike gray, CID - 30 Oct 2003 20:23 GMT
> i use apex tx100 no problems in 4 deg down to 96 mtrs
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>> Unfortunately, they are scarce as hen's teeth.
I currently use an Apeks. I set it up very loose but I can still
overbreathe it.
A. Because it is contrary to the normal flow of conversation.
Q. Why is top posting frowned upon?
Greg Mossman - 29 Oct 2003 02:29 GMT
> > What would you consider to be a good reg for cold deep water diving?
>
> For deep, Poseidon Cyklon Maximum.
>
> I don't know anything about cold.
Doesn't it get really cold really deep? Or are you diving hydrothermal
vents?
mike gray - 29 Oct 2003 15:25 GMT
>> > What would you consider to be a good reg for cold deep water diving?
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> Doesn't it get really cold really deep? Or are you diving hydrothermal
> vents?
When talking regulators, "cold" is temperatures at which they'll freeze,
which I think is around 38 degrees F.
When I was a little boy, my grandmother made me promise never to dive
that cold.
TonyP - 29 Oct 2003 02:44 GMT
>> What would you consider to be a good reg for cold deep water diving?
>
> For deep, Poseidon Cyklon Maximum.
Hmmmm..... the dreaded Poseidon.
> I don't know anything about cold.
Yeah, I have been told once you reach a certain age in life, you don't
much of anything (at least that is what my kids think).
Jason - 28 Oct 2003 09:17 GMT
> What would you consider to be a good reg for cold deep water diving?
What do you call deep? The EN 250 standard says that the work of breathing
should be no more than 3 joules per litre at 50m. The Apeks TX50 was
independantly tested at 1.05 joules per litre at 70m. And that's on air.
When you start putting helium in the mix, all regs breath noticeably much
easier. When I do the 21m switch back to 50% nitrox, I can feel how much
thicker the gas is.
Jason

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Laser - 29 Oct 2003 01:43 GMT
>> > I'm glad somebody has asked what for?
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>Uhhhhh.....they're designed specifically for it.
They don't breathe until ya hit 100ft??
Apeksare designed for deep water too.
Laser