Scuba Forum / General / July 2004
Souping up the hand held vhf radio
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suds - 26 Jul 2004 00:43 GMT Being on bed rest for a month has left me with a little too much time on my hands. ;^) One of the ways I pass the day is to listen to the chatter on the vhf channels using my 5 watt hand-held. Unfortunately, it just doesn't seem to have that much of a range. While the Coast Guard comes in loud and clear, I seldom hear the response of who it is they are talking to. Other than the Coast Guard about all I can pick up is the drunks out at the sand bar. I don't really need to hear about what a good time they're having, it's bad enough that I have to sit hear watching them out the window.
So I was wondering if it is possible to buy an external antenna that I could mount to the roof of my house and thereby extend the range? Would it be just that simple or are there going to be issues of amplification, impedance matching, licensing, etc?
suds
Jammer Six - 26 Jul 2004 01:26 GMT > So I was wondering if it is possible to buy an external antenna that I could > mount to the roof of my house and thereby extend the range? Oh, absolutely.
In fact, when one of my carpenters f.cks himself up so badly that he's on bedrest, that's the kind of job I have them do to stay sharp.
 Signature "We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
nitespark - 26 Jul 2004 01:27 GMT > Being on bed rest for a month has left me with a little too much time on my > hands. ;^) One of the ways I pass the day is to listen to the chatter [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > just that simple or are there going to be issues of amplification, impedance > matching, licensing, etc? If all you are interested in doing is listening, a simple scanner would do that and you do not need to worry about licensing.
Most of your modern handheld transcievers have very good receivers in them so there really isn't much you are going to be able to do to the unit itself to increase your range.
A simple outside antenna will work wonders and increase your receive range tremendously. I am assuming your handheld unit has one of the "rubber duck" flexible antennas. These are at best, a poor compromise that sacrifice performance for size.
Depending on how the antenna is connected to the radio will determine how hard it is to connect an outside antenna. Some radios have a BNC connector on the top which makes it very easy to remove the portable antenna and connect an outside antenna. You mention impedance matching, which makes me think you have some electronic background so you probably know something of the antenna connection.
This will bring me to the outside antenna system. You could go with a simple groundplane, which, for the marine frequencies will have about an 18" radiator and four 18" radials. This will be a "unit" gain antenna but a substantial improvement over the portable radio antenna. Next consideration is the feedline going from the radio to the antenna. You will want to keep it as short as possible/practical. Unless your feedline length is 20 feet or less, I would stay away from the RG58 mobile type coax. This is the stuff a little smaller in diameter than a pencil. Any coax run longer than 20 ft, I would recommend RG8 or RG8AU. Even then I would try and keep the coax run under 100 ft.
You will want your antenna up has high as possible, in the clear, especially in the direction you wish to listen.
Antennas come in all sorts of sizes and shapes. As I mentioned, a simple groundplane is small, simple, "0" gain, relatively inexpensive and easy to install. Larger antennas offer gain, but sacrifice size, cost and ease of mounting. If all you are going to do is listen, you could install a beam antenna, which will offer significant signal gain, but only in the direction in which you point it.
I am not sure, but I think beam antennas are prohibited on the maritime frequencies. I know they are prohibited on vessels and they may be prohibited on fixed stations to, but then again, if all you are doing is listening, that point is irrelevant.
With a good receiver, decent antenna system, and an unobstructed signal path to the sea, you could easily be listening to vessels 30-50 miles out to sea.
HLAviation - 26 Jul 2004 01:46 GMT An external antenna and a linear amp is the way to go, you can get 250 (or 2000) watts that way.
> Being on bed rest for a month has left me with a little too much time on my > hands. ;^) One of the ways I pass the day is to listen to the chatter [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > suds Grumman-581 - 26 Jul 2004 05:29 GMT > An external antenna and a linear amp is the way to go, you can get 250 (or > 2000) watts that way. Helps on transmit, but on receive, it also amplifies the noise... The best results on receive are achieved with a good antenna... Directional antennas are even better, but you have to have a general idea of where your transmitting unit is located... VHF is line-of-sight, so if your antenna is not very high, you're not going to hear the stations that are further away... At altitude, I can talk well over 100 nm from my plane (it's VHF frequencies also), but if I drop down to less than 1000 ft, I don't get anywhere near as great of range from the unit...
Lee Bell - 26 Jul 2004 11:54 GMT > An external antenna and a linear amp is the way to go, you can get 250 (or > 2000) watts that way. . . . and maybe get the federal government to provide room and board during your convalensence.
Lee
HLAviation - 26 Jul 2004 16:29 GMT See, added benefits.
> > An external antenna and a linear amp is the way to go, you can get 250 (or > > 2000) watts that way. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lee Lee Bell - 26 Jul 2004 11:50 GMT > Being on bed rest for a month has left me with a little too much time on my > hands. ;^) One of the ways I pass the day is to listen to the chatter [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > just that simple or are there going to be issues of amplification, impedance > matching, licensing, etc? It's pretty much that simple. There are a few problems, however: 1. You're not going to be doing it while on bedrest. 2. Most antennas do not come with the connection for the handheld installed. They do that to make it easy to run the wire. You have to get the connector on just right, with a good ground and no shorts, or you're not going to like the results. 3. VHF is line of sight. You're going to have to get the antenna high to improve your reception much. 4. It's going to cost about $100 in materials alone. 5. You can legally listen to whatever you want, but you may not be able to legally broadcast.
Suggestion, get one of the many radios designed to pick up a wide range of signals, from aircraft, to marine, to race car, to police, etc. With a bit of shopping, you can probably find one for less than it will cost you to have a quality marine antenna installed.
Lee
suds - 26 Jul 2004 23:18 GMT > It's pretty much that simple. There are a few problems, however: > 1. You're not going to be doing it while on bedrest. My wife says that I'm a rather "noncompliant patient."
> 2. Most antennas do not come with the connection for the handheld installed. > They do that to make it easy to run the wire. You have to get the connector > on just right, with a good ground and no shorts, or you're not going to like > the results. Yeah, the antenna connection on my hand-held is not the standard BNC. I'll probably have to head down to Radio Shack to find it. And then there is my soldering skills. :^(
> 3. VHF is line of sight. You're going to have to get the antenna high to > improve your reception much. I live on a hill over looking Kaneohe Bay. We are at least 100ft up. From the den window I can watch boats at least ten miles out.
> 4. It's going to cost about $100 in materials alone. > 5. You can legally listen to whatever you want, but you may not be able to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of shopping, you can probably find one for less than it will cost you to > have a quality marine antenna installed. That's probably the better idea. While I'm a cheap bastard, I've have learned the meaning of the expression "Penny wise and pound foolish."
suds
nitespark - 27 Jul 2004 00:59 GMT >>It's pretty much that simple. There are a few problems, however: >>1. You're not going to be doing it while on bedrest. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I live on a hill over looking Kaneohe Bay. We are at least 100ft up. From > the den window I can watch boats at least ten miles out. Hey Suds, If you can take a digital photo of your radio and/or the antenna connector and email it to me, I may be able to build you a patch cord.
I have seen some VHF handheld radios where the antenna just screwed in to the top. BNC's are the easiest to work with, but some of the newer radios are using SMA connectors.
Also, if you can advise the make and model of the radio, perhaps the manufacturer has a website and I can look at the radio there.
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