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suds - 17 Jul 2004 08:31 GMT The hematologist prescribes golf. He didn't take it very well when I told him that golf is for people who've already given up. I'll be contacting DAN. There is no way I'm just going to roll over and die.
suds
H. Huntzinger - 17 Jul 2004 12:02 GMT > The hematologist prescribes golf. He didn't take it very well when I told > him that golf is for people who've already given up. I'll be contacting > DAN. There is no way I'm just going to roll over and die. Sorry to hear of your problem (and I had to go look up what Leiden Factor V is too): did the hematologist give any particular rationale for why he thinks diving is a no-no?
-hh
suds - 17 Jul 2004 15:57 GMT > Sorry to hear of your problem (and I had to go look up what Leiden > Factor V is too): did the hematologist give any particular rationale > for why he thinks diving is a no-no? He he. I did that on purpose. I had never heard of it either until today but it turns out to be a fairly common genetic malfunction in us Northern European sort. Fortunately, the wife sees it often manifest itself as blood clots in women who are pregnant or using birth control. She recognized my "sore leg" as a blood clot and sent me to the emergency room before it killed me (and it came d@mn close.) You see healthy, active 40 year-olds don't get blood clots...
If looking it up via google annoyed you, be glad we aren't related. Everyone in my family (father, brothers, sisters, kids) must now be tested for it and they each have a 50% chance of joining me.
According to doctor, I must be on blood thinners for the rest of my life. Blood thinners are lots of fun. Yesterday I scratched my foot with the broom while sweeping the front walk I didn't even think to look until my daughter started screaming: "Dad, what's wrong with your foot." There was blood all over the place. I'm told that the pressure differentials involved in scuba diving will make it too dangerous. (Think about how some people always get bloody noses when they dive.)
Unfortunately, this diagnosis will/can alter much of my lifestyle. Any activity where I might be injured while a long distance from medical assistance (say kayaking along Kauai's Na Pali Coast) is advised against. I might bleed to death before help arrived. I didn't ask but I'm pretty sure the private pilots license is out too. You get the idea.
What blew my mind is that when I objected. When I pointed out all the activities I was being told to give up. The doctor just shrugged and said: "Why don't you take up golf." And he was serious. Fortunately I am married to a doctor who agrees with me about golf. ;^)
suds
Galen Hekhuis - 17 Jul 2004 16:18 GMT >... >Unfortunately, this diagnosis will/can alter much of my lifestyle. Any [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the private pilots license is out too. You get the idea. >... Apologies for taking up newsgroup space, but I am unable to unmung the email address. In any event, my brother just went through FAA stuff including his loss of pilot's license (he used to fly a corporate jet for executives) for taking blood thinners and then recently (within the past month) got FAA approval to regain his license and fly again. In an attempt to relate this to SCUBA, he used to teach diving in the 70s. Email me for his email address if you want.
-- Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA ghekhuis@earthlink.net We are the CroMagnon of the future
H. Huntzinger - 18 Jul 2004 13:50 GMT > I had never heard of it either until today > but it turns out to be a fairly common genetic malfunction in us Northern > European sort. I've not heard of it either...and having plenty of "non-Southern" European blood myself, its one more thing for me to keep in mind about as well, particularly how it seems to link with Deep Vein Thrombosis from airline flights, etc.
> If looking it up via google annoyed you, be glad we aren't related. Sorry if I gave the impression that it was 'annoying'; I don't mind Googling, particularly when the answer pops up in half of the Chris Wolf archive search 5 minute maximum attention span :-).
> Everyone in my family (father, brothers, sisters, kids) must now be tested > for it and they each have a 50% chance of joining me. Understood...my brother had a precancerous skin something-or-other that all of us were notified of as a risk factor.
> According to doctor, I must be on blood thinners for the rest of my life. > ... I'm told that the pressure differentials involved > in scuba diving will make it too dangerous. (Think about how some people > always get bloody noses when they dive.) I'd hope that a balance could be struck between 'think enough' and 'too thin' that would permit diving.
> What blew my mind is that when I objected. When I pointed out all the > activities I was being told to give up. The doctor just shrugged and said: > "Why don't you take up golf." And he was serious. You can get pretty darn removed from help on some courses. Ironic.
-hh
suds - 18 Jul 2004 16:20 GMT > > If looking it up via google annoyed you, be glad we aren't related. > > Sorry if I gave the impression that it was 'annoying'; I don't mind > Googling, particularly when the answer pops up in half of the Chris Wolf > archive search 5 minute maximum attention span :-). I was just joking around. ;^)
> > Everyone in my family (father, brothers, sisters, kids) must now be tested > > for it and they each have a 50% chance of joining me. > > Understood...my brother had a precancerous skin something-or-other that > all of us were notified of as a risk factor. My baby brother was diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer two years ago. He was only 35 at the time. 35 year-old men aren't supposed to have prostate cancer. And ... there is a strong gentetic link. Basically, I've been told that it's not if but when. Thanks to baby bro, I get to have my PSA tested every 4 months and have already had two biopsiess. Prostate biopsies are a real pain in the a.s (pun intended.)
So I came into "this Leiden-Factor 5" thing (sounds like somthing from cheap science fiction, doesn't it?) with all that bagage. But blood clots don't just occur in healthy people for no reason. I assume that a weight lifting injury was the trigger but the doctors don't buy it. Since I haven't been on an airplane in months, in their minds it must be cancer. (I just don't understand how sitting in an airplane seat can be considered a more likely trigger than tearing a tendon but, hey, I'm just an engineer...) I have been poked, proded, x-rayed, cat-scanned, ultra-sounded, ... to death and they are still looking. I've taken to quoting Monte Python: "I'm not dead yet." ;^)
> > According to doctor, I must be on blood thinners for the rest of my life. > > ... I'm told that the pressure differentials involved [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'd hope that a balance could be struck between 'think enough' and 'too > thin' that would permit diving. That is my position too. I've found some papers that support me but the issue is controversial. And when it's controversial, the doctors tend to just say "no." So, unless I'm willing to lie, or buy my own boat, I'll be stuck with shore diving for the rest of my life.
> > What blew my mind is that when I objected. When I pointed out all the > > activities I was being told to give up. The doctor just shrugged and said: > > "Why don't you take up golf." And he was serious. > > You can get pretty darn removed from help on some courses. Ironic. Whatever. I'm not going to take up golf. (Too many doctors. ;^) ) I used to play it when I was younger but I lost interest in the game. Now mind you, I enjoyed it and was pretty good at it but I never took the game that seriously and that really pissed off all the other guys who did. So rather than spend my Saturday watching some hacker not talk to me, I found more interesting things to do.
suds
Steve - 19 Jul 2004 07:33 GMT Sorry for your loss, as it were.
> So, unless I'm willing to lie, or buy my own boat, I'll be > stuck with shore diving for the rest of my life. If you really have any qualms about lying to a dive op you could consider moving to Grand Cayman or Bonaire. I'm not clear on whether the diving problem is a result of the underlying condition or the blood thinners, but got the impression it's the latter. Aside from the idea of a reduced dosage, perhaps you could just skip them when you're planning to dive. OTOH, living in Hawaii, that might mean skipping them most weekends.
FWIW, the dosage that your doctor prescribes isn't a dosage that was actually decided by trained medical professionals. A while back I had a friend who worked for Schering Pharmaceuticals, and she had a boyfriend whose job at the company was to decide what the dosages should be for new drugs. What was his background, you ask? He has a Ph.D. in statistics. You know, just like Bob Ling. His exact job was to analyze the results of clinical trials that used various dosages on a wide range of people and then decide on the "best" dosage for everybody, based on improvement and side effects. About the most variation you can hope for is consideration of your body weight. Naturally, what works very well for the other guy who is your age and weight may not be ideal for you. It's not at all unusual for people to do well with a smaller dosage and, naturally, all those side effects are more likely as the dosage goes up. Of course it's a lot easier for you to evaluate the results of, say, Prozac on your own than to evaluate the results of blood thinners or other drugs that change things that mostly show up on lab tests.
> Whatever. I'm not going to take up golf. (Too many doctors. ;^) ) I > used to play it when I was younger but I lost interest in the game. Now > mind you, I enjoyed it Once upon a time during the very long drive to Kentucky, my two companions spent a couple of hours discussing golf and made it sound quite interesting and fun, but not quite so interesting and fun for me to have gone out and given it a try, apparently.
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suds - 19 Jul 2004 21:44 GMT > Sorry for your loss, as it were. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > when you're planning to dive. OTOH, living in Hawaii, that might mean skipping them > most weekends. At this point, my Doctors say it is the blood thinners that will prevent me from diving. Scott says that the nitrogen bubbles, themselves, can also cause blood clots. I hadn't heard that before but will be looking into it. The wife is looking for a dive medicine doc on the Island. I must assume there would be at least one here.
And as far as lying goes ... I just can't do that. It's not the dive operators fault. He's just trying to stay employed. His lawyer is the one telling him "don't let this guy on the boat." And if something did go wrong, I would feel really bad about causing so much grief to others just because I refused I didn't like the rules. That's not right.
> FWIW, the dosage that your doctor prescribes isn't a dosage that was actually decided > by trained medical professionals. A while back I had a friend who worked for Schering [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > than to evaluate the results of blood thinners or other drugs that change things that > mostly show up on lab tests. You know, the more I talk with my doctors, the more I come to feel that they don't know sh*t about this. It just seems to be that from experience they've found that if they keep your blood thinner than vodka, you won't get another blood clot. Why? They don't know but it works so that's what I must do.
nitespark - 19 Jul 2004 22:27 GMT > At this point, my Doctors say it is the blood thinners that will prevent me > from diving. Scott says that the nitrogen bubbles, themselves, can also > cause blood clots. I hadn't heard that before but will be looking into it. > The wife is looking for a dive medicine doc on the Island. I must assume > there would be at least one here. Suds, I am really sorry to hear about your condition and its affect on your diving. FWIW, my wife does not dive and has a multitude of medical issues, one of which is blood clotting. She is on coumodin (sp)which is a blood thinner. In a recent visit to her physician, she mentioned some diving I would be doing. Her physician told her there was no reason she could not dive. In light of all her other medical issues, which he is aware of, I found this astonishing. I don't know about your situation, but she has to keep a proper balance with the medication. She goes to the doctors office periodically to get her blood work assessed and to make sure she isn't gettting to much blood thinner or not enough. Kind of a balancing act.
> And as far as lying goes ... I just can't do that. It's not the dive > operators fault. He's just trying to stay employed. His lawyer is the one > telling him "don't let this guy on the boat." And if something did go > wrong, I would feel really bad about causing so much grief to others just > because I refused I didn't like the rules. That's not right. I admire your ethics. I know it is tempting to try and dive despite advice otherwise but your are putting others above your own desires. I truly hope it works out you can eventually continue to dive.
> You know, the more I talk with my doctors, the more I come to feel that they > don't know sh*t about this. It just seems to be that from experience > they've found that if they keep your blood thinner than vodka, you won't get > another blood clot. Why? They don't know but it works so that's what I > must do. Is there anyway you could get your doctors to hook up with the doctors at DAN???
suds - 19 Jul 2004 22:45 GMT > > At this point, my Doctors say it is the blood thinners that will prevent me > > from diving. Scott says that the nitrogen bubbles, themselves, can also [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > make sure she isn't gettting to much blood thinner or not enough. Kind > of a balancing act. Coumaden is what I'm on. They are still working on getting me "therapeutic" so I get to have a blood test every 4 days or so. If my INR drops too low, I get to go back to shooting up Lovenox. Learning to give myself shots was not a lot of fun but worth it in order to get out of the hospital. I think they were happy to see me leave, though. LOL
> > And as far as lying goes ... I just can't do that. It's not the dive > > operators fault. He's just trying to stay employed. His lawyer is the one [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > advice otherwise but your are putting others above your own desires. I > truly hope it works out you can eventually continue to dive. I think we have all been on a boat with someone who shouldn't have been there. Usually it's because they lack the experience.
I do remember one trip in the Bahamas were there was a diver who really wrecked things for everyone. Not only were her skills so bad that she never should have been certified but she had a whole laundry list of medical problems like high blood pressure, diabetes, liver problems, obesity, ... that should have prevented her from even taking the course. She managed to get herself bent. At the risk of sounding cold hearted, I was rather angry with her.
suds
nitespark - 20 Jul 2004 01:07 GMT >>>At this point, my Doctors say it is the blood thinners that will prevent > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > not a lot of fun but worth it in order to get out of the hospital. I think > they were happy to see me leave, though. LOL Same stuff, I just never tried to spell it before. She doesn't take anything by needle and I think she has everything balanced out now, although it was see-sawing quite a bit initially. Her diet had a great deal of effect on it. She had to be very careful about eating salads and vegetables. She could eat whatever she wanted, its just if she ate a salad every night, then she would have to take more medicine. That sort of thing. My point being, that perhaps sometime in the future when things are stabilized, you could return to diving under the guidance and approval of your physician.
>>>And as far as lying goes ... I just can't do that. It's not the dive >>>operators fault. He's just trying to stay employed. His lawyer is the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > get herself bent. At the risk of sounding cold hearted, I was rather angry > with her. On my last trip, we had a diver who had just recently been certified and skills were lacking, especially buoyancy. This diver didn't get bent or get anyone hurt, but on our last day, we had a somewhat "advanced" dive, going through some coral swimthroughs and "caves" and exiting at 135ft. This diver elected to sit out that dive.
The diver you speak of in the Bahamas....was this a deserved hit???? Just curious.
suds - 20 Jul 2004 05:21 GMT > >>>At this point, my Doctors say it is the blood thinners that will prevent > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > things are stabilized, you could return to diving under the guidance and > approval of your physician. Yep, stay away from that vitamin K. The problem is that I like salads, and broccoli, and asparagus... I mean as a 40 year-old man, aren't I supposed to be eating lots of it. You know that fiber-colon cancer thing. So I'm currently taking an "elephant dose" of 10 mg of Coumaden a day.
I asked about lowering the INR after I had been stable and healthy for a while. My hematologist hemmed and hawed. He admitted that some folks do do it but advised against it. I've contacted DAN and hopefully they'll find me someone more knowledgeable in this subject and specifically in how it affects diving for me to speak with.
> >>>And as far as lying goes ... I just can't do that. It's not the dive > >>>operators fault. He's just trying to stay employed. His lawyer is the [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > The diver you speak of in the Bahamas....was this a deserved hit???? > Just curious. Well, ... she was grossly over-weighted. The dive crew tried to convince her that she didn't need 35lbs of lead but she insisted. Carrying all that weight, she quickly tired and emptied her tank on a relatively shallow dive (~60ft IIRC.) Exhausted and with her air running out, she discovered that her BC did not have the lift to take her to the surface alone. A DM was attempting to assist her to the surface when she dropped her weight belt at ~40 ft.
I would call that deserved hit though the DM didn't deserve the one he got.
suds
nitespark - 20 Jul 2004 14:47 GMT >>>>>At this point, my Doctors say it is the blood thinners that will > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > someone more knowledgeable in this subject and specifically in how it > affects diving for me to speak with. Actually my wife's doc said she could eat all the salad she wanted....just have to adjust the meds accordingly. What they wanted her to do though was to be consistent. If she eats lots of salads and vegetables, keep that intake consistant so they could balance the med. I am betting that if you get a knowledgeable doc who gets hooked up with DAN, you will be cleared for diving.>
>>>>>And as far as lying goes ... I just can't do that. It's not the dive >>>>>operators fault. He's just trying to stay employed. His lawyer is the [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > I would call that deserved hit though the DM didn't deserve the one he got. 35lbs of weight??? Geez!!! I am assuming she didn't have some huge thick wetsuit on. She must have looked like an Orca breaking the surface.
Dave L - 20 Jul 2004 15:44 GMT > > The diver you speak of in the Bahamas....was this a deserved hit???? > > Just curious. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I would call that deserved hit though the DM didn't deserve the one he got. If he hung on to her he did. Shoulda let her explode....drop a few el-bee's.
Dave.
suds - 20 Jul 2004 20:09 GMT > If he hung on to her he did. Shoulda let her explode....drop a few el-bee's. You might be right. The first rule of rescue is not to become a victim yourself.
suds
Jammer Six - 21 Jul 2004 03:14 GMT > You might be right. The first rule of rescue is not to become a victim > yourself. Oh, go ahead and say it.
"Know when to leave your buddy."
 Signature "We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Scott - 21 Jul 2004 03:28 GMT > ? You might be right. The first rule of rescue is not to become a victim > ? yourself. > > Oh, go ahead and say it. > > "Know when to leave your buddy." Just before you get in the water.
Dave L - 21 Jul 2004 18:16 GMT > ? You might be right. The first rule of rescue is not to become a victim > ? yourself. > > Oh, go ahead and say it. > > "Know when to leave your buddy." Rule 34(a)
Dave.
Dave L - 21 Jul 2004 18:16 GMT > > If he hung on to her he did. Shoulda let her explode....drop a few > el-bee's. > > You might be right. The first rule of rescue is not to become a victim > yourself. Particularly when it comes to the terminally stupid.
Dave.
Scott - 17 Jul 2004 14:37 GMT > The hematologist prescribes golf. He didn't take it very well when I told > him that golf is for people who've already given up. I'll be contacting > DAN. There is no way I'm just going to roll over and die. Time to start diving with helium.
As I understand the condition, you could be at increased risk for blood clotting. The body's immune system sees bubbles as an invader, and will attack them as such, including plateletts, so that could be a huge issue for you.
Ibuprofen before the dive and helium in your mix is what I would do, if it were me, but I guess that depends upon how serious the condition is in your case.
Contact Milak.
suds - 17 Jul 2004 16:12 GMT > > The hematologist prescribes golf. He didn't take it very well when I told > > him that golf is for people who've already given up. I'll be contacting [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Contact Milak. I already had a blood clot, thank you. A "DVT" ( http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/mosby_factsheets/Deep_Vein_Thrombosis.html ) to be exact. That was the most painful thing I have ever been through. Think of someone putting both hands around your calf and then digging their thumbs into the soft flesh behind your knee with all their might. That's how it felt every time I tried to so much as sit upright for over a week. The pain has subsided now but my right leg is still very swollen and will remain so for some time. Possibly the rest of my life. I don't think I'm going to be able to hide this from the doctors. ;^)
Who is "Milak."
suds
Scott - 17 Jul 2004 16:40 GMT > >Contact Milak. > > I already had a blood clot, thank you. A "DVT" ( http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/mosby_factsheets/Deep_Vein_Thrombosis.html )
> to be exact. That was the most painful thing I have ever been through. > Think of someone putting both hands around your calf and then digging their [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Who is "Milak." Sir Randy Of Milak.
Hyperbaric physician and gentleman extraordinairre.
rfmilak@yahoo.com
Dan Volker - 19 Jul 2004 21:06 GMT > The hematologist prescribes golf. He didn't take it very well when I told > him that golf is for people who've already given up. I'll be contacting > DAN. There is no way I'm just going to roll over and die. > > suds Suds, Doctors don't know much about curing illness--they and the pharmaceutical industry specialize in "identifying symptoms" that they can treat for the rest of your life;-)
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HSOs (Homeostatic Soil OrganismsT) Clinical Studies In 1993, three single-blind, placebo-controlled studies on HSOsT were conducted at the Dispensario Medico, Partido de la Revolucion Democratica, a medical dispensary in Irapuato, Mexico. The researchers wanted to find out whether Homeostatic Soil OrganismsT could help people with high cholesterol and leukemia. They also wanted to see if the HSOsT made test subjects feel more energetic and improved memory and concentration.
* High cholesterol: Seventy patients with blood cholesterol counts higher than 300 milligrams per deciliter were given HSOs or a placebo. Subjects given the HSOsT saw their total blood cholesterol count drop by 25 percent or more; the placebo subjects showed no change.
* Energy levels, memory and concentration: Seventy patients with no known pathologies were given HSOsT or a placebo. Thirty-three of the 35 subjects given HSOsT reported feeling more energetic and vital. HGB (hemoglobin) levels and red blood cell counts increased moderately in 33 subjects. In the placebo group, no subjects reported an increase in energy or vitality levels. Only two subjects out of 33 (two subjects dropped out of the study) saw their HGB levels increase. In only one subject did the red blood cell count increase. Conspicuous increases in memory and concentration improved in 28 out of 35 test patients with only 1 improving in the placebo group.
* Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia stage II: Thirty-five subjects with chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL) were given HSOsT. The director of research reported that HSOs "attenuated the symptoms of approximately 80 percent of the treated patients." In 80 percent of the subjects, white blood cell counts improved.
Results from additional studies:
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* Another study conducted at Bio Inova Life Sciences Laboratories evaluated the effectiveness of Primal DefenseT HSOsT on the immune system. In this study, researchers looked at natural killer (NK) cells and macrophage function. Natural killer cells roam the bloodstream looking for and destroying foreign-invader cells. Macrophages are large white blood cells that also serve the immune system by killing foreign invaders. In the study, Primal DefenseT were found to boost the immune system by enhancing the function of natural killer cells and macrophage function.
* In another study at Bio Inova Life Sciences Laboratories, Primal DefenseT HSOsT were examined with a view toward how they affect cancer cells. They were shown to inhibit the proliferation of cancer cells in the breast, liver and lung.
* In another study at Bio Inova Life Sciences Laboratories, Primal DefenseT HSOsT were shown to enhance the production of healthy cells in the colon which may positively effect those suffering from severe digestive disorders, and oxidative stress.
* In an open-label, 120-day clinical pilot study conducted by Paul A. Goldberg, M.P.H, D.C. at the Goldberg Clinic in Marietta, Georgia, 16 individuals suffering from complex digestive and immune-system disorders were given Primal DefenseT HSOsT for 120 days. The subject's gastrointestinal and immune system disorders had been resistant to conventional and complimentary treatments. They had a variety of chronic diseases that were unresponsive to medical intervention for a minimum of three years. The subjects ranged in age from 20 to 65. No dietary or lifestyle changes were made. Fifteen of the 16 subjects reported clinical improvements in their overall health. They had partial to full relief from troublesome bowel problems, decreases in asthmatic symptoms, increases in energy levels, improvements in skin conditions, improvement in chronic sinus infection, and general improvement in overall well-being. No subjects reported a worsening of their symptoms. Eight of nine subjects with elevated yeast levels as verified by stool and/or blood tests had a significant reduction in Candida yeast growth. Three subjects with asthma had a 50 percent or greater reduction in usage of inhalant medications and asthma symptoms. One subject, a physician with chronic pulmonary fungal infection, reported greater ease in breathing and improvement in spirometer readings as evidenced by her medical pulmonologist. Moreover, three subjects who suffered from long-term chronic constipation and had laxative dependency were able to move their bowels daily without the use of laxatives. Three subjects with chronic IBS showed between 25 and 100 percent improvement. Four patients with chronic fatigue syndrome were completely free of symptoms by the end of the 120-day period. Before and after blood tests and physical examinations showed that no subject experienced a worsening of conditions or exhibited any evidence of toxicity.
Clinical placebo controlled studies were conducted at the Peoples University of the Americas in Ponce, Puerto Rico.
* A 90-day, 70-patient, blind placebo-controlled clinical study published in Progress in Nutrition, evaluated the effectiveness of Primal DefenseT HSOsT as a primary treatment for chronic digestive disorder and malabsorption syndrome. Thirty-one patients in the study group and 14 patients in the placebo group completed the study. Some 52 percent of those taking Primal DefenseT achieved full remission of symptoms; 32 percent of the participants achieved greater than 40 percent improvement of symptoms; no subjects had zero improvement of symptoms or a worsening of symptoms.
According to the director of the study, Primal DefenseT qualifies as an accomplished therapy with "significant efficacy" for treating chronic digestive disorders coupled with malabsorption syndrome.
Additional data from studies conducted on Primal DefenseT HSOs showed the following results:
1) Individuals consuming Primal Defense had a marked increase in blood levels of several key enzymes including Amylase, Lipase and Protease.
2) After consuming Primal DefenseT, 18 individuals with low blood protein levels at the beginning of the study had an increase in blood protein levels which signifies improved absorption and utilization of protein from the diet.
3) Individuals consuming Primal DefenseT had a marked improvement in symptoms of anemia and the use of the product seemed to have a "blood building" effect.
4) Individuals consuming Primal DefenseT had a marked improvement in blood levels of key minerals.
5) Individuals consuming Primal DefenseT with abnormal immune markers showed a trend towards a modulation of the immune system as evidenced by a decrease in White Blood Cells an increase in Neutrophiles a normalization of Lymphocytes and a decrease in elevated Monocytes, Eosinophiles and Basophiles.
In addition, a significant number of beneficial observations were made in the course of the studies. These were beyond the scope of the established protocol and therefore were not incorporated into the official reports published in Progress in Nutrition:
* Fourteen patients (nine females, five males) reported remarkable increases in their energy levels beginning toward the end of the second month and continuing through the full course of treatment.
* Three female patients having suffered from chronic, recurrent migraine headaches, reported total remission from their headaches by study's end.
* Six patients (five females, one male) having suffered from various grades of chronic skin rash, reported total remission of these symptoms.
* Six patients (four females, two males) reported significant vanishing of some of their facial wrinkles by the end of the study.
Best of Luck, Dan Volker
Dan Volker - 21 Jul 2004 12:50 GMT Why Doctors Are 9,000 Times More Likely to Accidentally Kill You Than Gun Owners
A widely publicized report saying that as many as 98,000 people die each year in the United States from medical errors is conservative, and the number is probably much larger than that. The estimate by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) is low because it looked only at deaths of patients at hospitals. The Institute is a private, nonprofit organization that provides health policy advice under a congressional charter to the National Academy of Sciences.
Janet M. Corrigan is the IOM's director of health care services. The Institute is a private, nonprofit organization that provides health policy advice under a congressional charter to the National Academy of Sciences. She told reporters at a Capitol Hill briefing May 8 that the study did not look at medical-error deaths at nursing homes, emergency rooms or in doctors' offices. The mortality estimates are low also because most of the information was based on medical record reviews. Medical errors are a problem that has been hidden from the public for far to long.
COMMENT: Even worse than the original article (click here) reported, and the original study was bad enough.
( from http://www.mercola.com/2004/jul/7/healthcare_death.htm Modern Health Care System is the Leading Cause of Death, Part I)
Here are some other numbers to ponder:
Number of physicians in the US = 700,000 Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year = 120,000 Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171
Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000 Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) = 1,500 Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188
Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
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Dillon Pyron - 21 Jul 2004 19:12 GMT > Why Doctors Are 9,000 Times More Likely to Accidentally Kill You Than >Gun Owners They call it "medical misadventure" because it sounds better.
> A widely publicized report saying that as many as 98,000 people die >each year in the United States from medical errors is conservative, and the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Number of physicians in the US = 700,000 > Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year = 120,000 This is more than ALL firearms related deaths, not just accident.
> Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Return To Table of Contents Issue #153
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When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark and the horse's name was Bob.
Dan Volker - 21 Jul 2004 21:24 GMT > > Here are some other numbers to ponder: > > > > Number of physicians in the US = 700,000 > > Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year = 120,000 > > This is more than ALL firearms related deaths, not just accident. Making Doctors even MORE likely to kill you than guns ;-)
In case its not obvious, I have a very low opinion of Doctors in general, and even less respect for their "medical opinions". Suds is being scammed by them now, as they atempt to put him on a gravy train for them and the pharmeceutical industry, for the rest of his life-shortened as it would be by medical treatment of symptoms rather than providing him with a way to CURE his problem.
Its like, if the engine in your car is overheating, and the red warning light is coming on, the Medical response would be to treat the symptom---to cut off the warning light, and in some cases, to try and blow more air at the hot engine....No thought would exist to figure out why the engine was overheating--friction, bad oil, etc... this would be outside their purvey.
Their are a huge number of nutrition based solution for Suds and most people on this NG who have health problems. Doctors are part of the problem, and rarely part of the solution. Again, first research Paleolithic foods in google or yahoo, then spend a few hours going through www.mercola.com , then check out http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/product_landing.shtml for issues relating to health through digestion....I would expect that for 90% of the people in Rec.scuba with some form of health problem, these resources would be far more valuable than anything some parasitic doctor is going to provide. Why am I so sure ? Do many divers like sugary food and sodas? Do many divers like doughnuts? Are many divers bordering on obese or fairly overweight? Do many divers suffer from some form of chronic or frequent inflamation or arthritis? Each of these issues is dealt with far better by the resources here, than it could be by your typical quack doctor and local drugstore. And no, I have nothing to do with these companies or websites--I have seen the results from these however, and they have to be seen to be believed.
Regards, Dan Volker
Dan V
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