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Neoprene allergy - Culprit identified

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Marcus Viertel - 02 Jul 2004 11:29 GMT
Hi all,

a few months ago I posted an artical about my problems, after I developed a
neoprene allergy at the beginning of this year.
I have since undergone dermotological tests that confimed this and
identified "Diethyl Thiourea" as the component, apparently a chemical used
in the production of neoprene type rubbers, but not in the production of
latex.
I am now able to dive with a membrane drysuit and I am getting a special
neoprene hood with a latex lining, which I hope will work.
It does leave me with two questions though:
1) Does anyone now this chemical and it is essential to the neoprene
production? Is it possible to get wetsuits without this component?
2) Does anyone have any suggestions what I could/should wear when going on
holidays? I mean, I can hardly go diving in the red sea in a Otter Skin
membrane drysuit, or can I? I would expect to become a jacket potatoe even
before I rigg up my BCD.

Cheers,

Marcus
Keith Lawrence - 02 Jul 2004 11:43 GMT
> 2) Does anyone have any suggestions what I could/should
> wear when going on holidays?

Does a physical barrier help? Have you tried a Lycra skin suit under the
offending wetsuit? If you're clear of the allergy under your swimming cossy
then a one-piece Lycra might help.

Keith L
Pete S. - 02 Jul 2004 12:04 GMT
>> 2) Does anyone have any suggestions what I could/should
>> wear when going on holidays?
>
>Does a physical barrier help? Have you tried a Lycra skin suit under the
>offending wetsuit? If you're clear of the allergy under your swimming cossy
>then a one-piece Lycra might help.

Keith, I've just had a ghastly picture flash through my mind, it's you
in a lycra suit.... shudder.

Pete S.
Keith Lawrence - 02 Jul 2004 13:39 GMT
> >Does a physical barrier help? Have you tried a Lycra skin
> >suit under the offending wetsuit? If you're clear of the
> >allergy under your swimming cossy then a one-piece Lycra
> >might help.

> Keith, I've just had a ghastly picture flash through my
> mind, it's you in a lycra suit.... shudder.

It has been known when in the tropics :-) Thankfully all photographic
evidence has been destroyed for the general good of civilisation.

K
Marcin Dobrucki - 02 Jul 2004 11:53 GMT
> holidays? I mean, I can hardly go diving in the red sea in a Otter Skin
> membrane drysuit, or can I? I would expect to become a jacket potatoe even
> before I rigg up my BCD.

  We saw a great deal of divers diving with drysuits in the Red Sea,
Sharm.  I don't see why it should be a problem.  During summer, there
might be some issues when you come out of the water, but summer is
hardly the time to go there anyway.

  /Marcin
paulj48 - 02 Jul 2004 12:02 GMT
> 2) Does anyone have any suggestions what I could/should wear when going on
> holidays? I mean, I can hardly go diving in the red sea in a Otter Skin
> membrane drysuit, or can I? I would expect to become a jacket potatoe even
> before I rigg up my BCD.

Depends on the time of year.

I Did my OW in Sharm the beginning of June this year and wore a shorty,
after 50 minutes under I was cold.

On another boat with another school we saw an instructor with a dry suit and
hood teaching students with shorties.
NoJags Neil - 02 Jul 2004 13:17 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 1) Does anyone now this chemical and it is essential to the neoprene
> production? Is it possible to get wetsuits without this component?

"Thiourea compounds are used as accelerators in the rubber industry and are
known to cause ACD and photocontact dermatitis"

Interesting stuff with cross-references to other research at,

http://bjsm.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/35/2/100

If you get bored, scroll down to "discussion"
KR - 06 Jul 2004 22:57 GMT
> 2) Does anyone have any suggestions what I could/should wear when going on
> holidays? I mean, I can hardly go diving in the red sea in a Otter Skin
> membrane drysuit, or can I?

Yes you can, depending on time of year.

I go to sharm regularly on land based, day boat holidays. I'm not sure if
this scenario is as accurate if on shore diving or a liveaboard when I
assume you have much more freedom as to when you kit up, jump, return etc.

From October/November to April/May I always take my membrane dry suit (with
lycra undersuit). The story always goes like this. First day I am the joke -
wimpy diver etc. however by the end of the 2nd day the divemasters/others in
our group who also have dry suits are having the last laugh as we are warm
at the end of a 60 min dive and the others are racing to get out of their
cold wet suits in the wind. Also of course (and best) I step comfortably
back into my dry suit for the second/third dive whilst the others are trying
to put on cold & wet wet suits. By the end of the week most will admit they
wish they had a dry suit too if only in private :-)

In summer (July/August) however I do take a wet suit as a wet suit will
mostly dry between dives and I expect a dry suit may be a bit sweaty and
uncomfortable whilst on the back of the boat waiting to jump.
liz.barron - 30 Aug 2004 19:52 GMT
have successfully been wearing an aqua skin for assorted watery
activities all summer in scotland and although not as warm as a wetsuit
it was a hell of a lot better than a weeping rash. Bought mine from
Mikes Waterfront Warehouse

--
liz.barron
david bray - 28 Apr 2005 13:44 GMT
i may have a solution for you i had the same problem you do and considered
a dry suit as a last resort.i did a lot of research and finaly got hold of
a sample of neoprene with a titanium coating wich gives a sufficen barrier
between the neoprene and your skin. i tried a lycra suit and the rash was
the same the nice thing about the titanium suit is that now instead of a
5mm wetsuit i only need a 3mm for the same warmth i suggest you try it.
 
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