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Scuba Forum / General / October 2003Mike Ball Spoil Sport guest dies diving Yongala wreck
Mike Ball Spoil Sport guest dies diving Yongala wreck http://www.cdnn.info/safety/s031023/s031023.html > Mike Ball Spoil Sport guest dies diving Yongala wreck > > http://www.cdnn.info/safety/s031023/s031023.html That's interesting. I'm scheduled to make this trip in December. > > Mike Ball Spoil Sport guest dies diving Yongala wreck > > > > http://www.cdnn.info/safety/s031023/s031023.html > > That's interesting. I'm scheduled to make this trip in December. instructor didn't come back up in an earlier trip, shark attack, now this, dosen't sound too good. rhys > > > Mike Ball Spoil Sport guest dies diving Yongala wreck > > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > rhys Erm... you didn't bother reading this bit then... "Police communications co-ordinator Sergeant Nick Sellars said there were no suspicious circumstances with the death..." Shark attacks, I suspect, happen regardless of the operator (assuming of course that they do shark feeds). As for the instructor who died snorkelling after a "duck-dive"? Although I can't find anything on the net about it, IMO that sounds very much like "I'll just show off to these holiday snorkellers by showing them how deep I can freedive.... Oh, bugger" CAS PS. Have a look back through the CDNN archives for exactly why they have a chip on their shoulder about Mike Ball... -- PADI AOW? Get Rescue Training on UKRS Course #1 - http://divesite.calumscott.me.uk/ukrs/rescue_diver_2004 Temperature @ Stoney? Find it or share it @ http://stoneytemps.calumscott.me.uk/ > That's interesting. I'm scheduled to make this trip in December. You will have a great time. Some if my pics from the same trip are at http://meekings.net/diving/selected%20pics/index.html >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me > > Mike Ball Spoil Sport guest dies diving Yongala wreck > > > > http://www.cdnn.info/safety/s031023/s031023.html > > That's interesting. I'm scheduled to make this trip in December. As Jerome Meekings said, you'll have a great time. I was on the same trip - fantastic! Dennis >Mike Ball Spoil Sport guest dies diving Yongala wreck > >http://www.cdnn.info/safety/s031023/s031023.html From the news report: "Detectives last night interviewed 50 people -- all of the passengers and crew -- from the dive boat." And today, Mike Ball's cowboys herded all of the cattle back out to the reef! Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! > From the news report: "Detectives last night interviewed 50 people -- > all of the passengers and crew -- from the dive boat." that is more than the crew and passengers. Passengers 28 max often less crew 14 >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me >> From the news report: "Detectives last night interviewed 50 people -- >> all of the passengers and crew -- from the dive boat." > >that is more than the crew and passengers. Passengers 28 max often less >crew 14 What? Only 28 cows chewing their cud and waiting to be slaughtered? MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! > What? Only 28 cows chewing their cud and waiting to be slaughtered? > > MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! That must have taken you such a long time and used so much of your brain power. It would seem the little green god is showing. >replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me not much helpful information in this post....doesn't indicate exactly what might have happened. I've dived the Yongala and there are currents there. The wreck is lying upside down like the ship in the Posideon movie and I seem to recall that those big groupers hang out at about 90 feet, maybe the bottom is 125 feet or 40 meters -- can't recall exactly. Then there was that wondeful big ray that kept going back and forth on top of the wreck. The viz is not the greatest there because of all of the scatter in the water from the GBR excessive tides, washing in and out with fine particles all stirred up in a thick broth. I've also dived Flinders which has much clearer water and is quite a considerable steam out there towards the Coral Sea, but not as far as Marion Reef which is a very, very long steam. Don't recall any shark feeding at Flinders, must be some new gimmick. It, too, is a rather shallow reef, if I recall but maybe there's some portions where it gets deeper. But if you're looking to take pix of beautiful corals, you just go overside and there are huge and beautiful bommies all clustered with exquisite corals all around that are easily accessible. I cant' imagine how a diver, if experienced, could get into trouble there. > Mike Ball Spoil Sport guest dies diving Yongala wreck > > http://www.cdnn.info/safety/s031023/s031023.html Is it still safe to dive near Townsville then? Going on my first trip next year! > Is it still safe to dive near Townsville then? Going on my first trip next > year! Why wouldn't it be? Brian Edmonton, Alberta www.mossmanscubaventures.com G'day, > Is it still safe to dive near Townsville then? Going on my first trip next > year! ??? Dived locally last weekend and will again this weekend and don't feel unduly nervous - of course Cleveland Bay is reputed to be a major breeding ground for tiger sharks. FWIW todays Tvl Bully reports Mike Balls GM Stan Kielbaska (in part): "The first thing most knew of any problem was when he (her husband) surfaced and said there was a problem. But our trip director by that time had already detected a problem and was bringing her up. She still had her mask on and the regulator in her mouth. She was a keen but not very experienced diver, though her husband was but she was confident, fit and healthy. She had used her own equipment which was relatively new and in good condition and she still had air in her tank. This has us stumped and baffled because it does not appear to be dive-related" Caveat: the bully has a local (deserved) reputation for not getting even quotes right BTW Google on "Yongala" for more accurate info than Daniel's recollections. regards, John Anderson wrote "This has us stumped and baffled because it does not appear to be dive-related". This is very possibly a heart condition known as Patent Foramen Ovale "PFO" which kills unsuspecting divers who are otherwise healthy , what baffles me is that 1 out of 5 of us have it & yet we don't get tested for it. seehttp://www.scuba-doc.com/pfo.htm > John Anderson wrote "This has us stumped and baffled because it does not > appear to be dive-related". > This is very possibly a heart condition known as Patent Foramen Ovale "PFO" > which kills unsuspecting divers who are otherwise healthy , what baffles me > is that 1 out of 5 of us have it & yet we don't get tested for it. > seehttp://www.scuba-doc.com/pfo.htm A PFO is seen as a (possible) cause of 'undeserved' DCS, and it won't kill you (except perhaps in the worst of cases). It certainly doesn't lead to a sudden death. You can rule out a PFO here, IMO.  SignatureMichael Wolf ----- Cthulhu For President. Why settle for the lesser evil? remove stopspam to reply > John Anderson wrote "This has us stumped and baffled because it does not > appear to be dive-related". > This is very possibly a heart condition known as Patent Foramen Ovale "PFO" > which kills unsuspecting divers who are otherwise healthy , what baffles me > is that 1 out of 5 of us have it & yet we don't get tested for it. > seehttp://www.scuba-doc.com/pfo.htm What baffles me is why you think a PFO is that deadly. Brian Edmonton, Alberta www.mossmanscubaventures.com > John Anderson wrote "This has us stumped and baffled because it does not > appear to be dive-related". > This is very possibly a heart condition known as Patent Foramen Ovale "PFO" > which kills unsuspecting divers who are otherwise healthy , what baffles me > is that 1 out of 5 of us have it & yet we don't get tested for it. > seehttp://www.scuba-doc.com/pfo.htm Um, did you read the article you posted? "Echocardiography is the tool of choice in making the diagnosis of PFO. However, it's probably not a good idea to do an echocardiogram on all divers because of the cost/benefit ratio." I think that pretty well explains why we don't get it done. > "Echocardiography is the tool of choice in making the diagnosis of PFO. > However, it's probably not a good idea to do an echocardiogram on all divers > because of the cost/benefit ratio." > > I think that pretty well explains why we don't get it done. Cost is for strokes. I'm mainly worried about the pain. It's not a "comfortable" procedure. > > "Echocardiography is the tool of choice in making the diagnosis of PFO. > > However, it's probably not a good idea to do an echocardiogram on all [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Cost is for strokes. I'm mainly worried about the pain. It's not a > "comfortable" procedure. Dammit... I must be a stroke... :-) > not much helpful information in this post....doesn't indicate exactly > what might have happened. > > I've dived the Yongala and there are currents there. The wreck is lying > upside down like the ship in the Posideon movie No it's not. It's on its' starboard side. >and I seem to recall > that those big groupers hang out at about 90 feet, maybe the bottom is > 125 feet or 40 meters -- can't recall exactly. 90 ft to the bottom. I usually found the Groupers at around 75ish. > Then there was that > wondeful big ray that kept going back and forth on top of the wreck. > The viz is not the greatest there because of all of the scatter in the > water from the GBR excessive tides, washing in and out with fine > particles all stirred up in a thick broth. Sometimes true. Often not. Brian Edmonton, Alberta www.mossmanscubaventures.com |
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