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netmask - 14 May 2004 21:04 GMT
I searched through the archives and didn't really see any good answers
to this..

Is there a good online FAQ or help site for underwater navigation? I
know PADI and everyone else has a course for it, but I'd like to read
up and try it out on my own a little bit before taking their class on
it.

Another question.. Are there new technologies for underwater
navigation? I've read about the GPS buoys and things like that.. but
anything cutting edge that is in use by military or commercial?

Any information would be great, thanks.
Charlie Hammond - 14 May 2004 21:34 GMT
>Is there a good online FAQ or help site for underwater navigation? I
>know PADI and everyone else has a course for it, but I'd like to read
>up and try it out on my own a little bit before taking their class on
>it.

My experience is a bit out of date, but I seem to recall that the PADI
Basic and Advanced manuals covered this reasonably well.  I know that
both my basic and advanced courses included navigation.  Getting good
at it is pretty much a mater of practice.

>Another question.. Are there new technologies for underwater
>navigation? I've read about the GPS buoys and things like that.. but
>anything cutting edge that is in use by military or commercial?

Sorry, no can help on this.

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Adam Helberg - 14 May 2004 22:01 GMT
> I searched through the archives and didn't really see any good answers
> to this..
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Any information would be great, thanks.

I'd be surprised if there is anything new here. Underwater navigation is using
landmarks and compass dead reckoning, which you can practice on land in a parking
lot.

Adam
The Diver - 15 May 2004 00:29 GMT
suggest you try orienteering, if you can 'suss' that, the u/w navigation
becomes a doddle.
good luck
Dan Nafe - 16 May 2004 12:59 GMT
> suggest you try orienteering, if you can 'suss' that, the u/w navigation
> becomes a doddle.
> good luck

England and America are two peoples seperated by a common language.
Dillon Pyron - 16 May 2004 16:37 GMT
>> suggest you try orienteering, if you can 'suss' that, the u/w navigation
>> becomes a doddle.
>> good luck
>>
>England and America are two peoples seperated by a common language.

suss I know, doddle?  now, diddle I know  :-)

I've taken to using the term w.nker.  It's a great insult and few
people know what you've just called them.  Although one guy did call
me a manky git.
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Alan Street - 15 May 2004 01:29 GMT
> I searched through the archives and didn't really see any good answers
> to this..
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Any information would be great, thanks.

The US Navy does have some advanced navigation techniques based on sonar
and triangulating off of known reference sources, but these are well
beyond recreational diving.
mike gray - 15 May 2004 03:53 GMT
> The US Navy does have some advanced navigation techniques based on sonar
> and triangulating off of known reference sources, but these are well
> beyond recreational diving.

And they still do almost all their nav with a compass and slate (OK, a
very fancy compass and slate. It's on the taxpayer.)

The only difference between scuba navigation and Boy Scout navigation is
 that (a) you measure distance in kicks, and (b) you have to correct
for current.

As someone else mentioned, get a Boy Scout handbook and a compass and
learn to navigate around the parking lot. Just knowing compass
fundamentals will put you way ahead of the rest of the class. Then take
the course, it's actually a lot of fun.
Alan Street - 15 May 2004 05:43 GMT
In article
<1Dfpc.60304$Ut1.1562744@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, mike gray
<scrubadub@att.net> wrote:

#Alan Street wrote:
#
#> The US Navy does have some advanced navigation techniques based on sonar
#> and triangulating off of known reference sources, but these are well
#> beyond recreational diving.
#
#And they still do almost all their nav with a compass and slate (OK, a
#very fancy compass and slate. It's on the taxpayer.)
#

As luck would have it, one of the teachers at my wife's school is a
SEAL (the kind that actually dives, as opposed to the kind that mostly
swims). We were at a staff party a few months ago and were talking
about diving (actually, he was doing most of the talking and I was
happy just to listen and learn). He mentioned a navigation tool they
sometimes used that puts a display onto their compass board and uses
fixed underwater beacons to help locate the slate (kind of like an
underwater LORAN).

But you're right that they still rely heavily on tried and true
techniques like compass work (not to mention *really* good buoyancy
control)

They also generally use pure O2 in rebreathers, don't go deeper than
25', and have all kinds of problems associated with long term O2
exposure.

talking about underwater navigation a few months ago, and he told me
about the system they were testing that

#The only difference between scuba navigation and Boy Scout navigation is
#  that (a) you measure distance in kicks, and (b) you have to correct
#for current.
#
#As someone else mentioned, get a Boy Scout handbook and a compass and
#learn to navigate around the parking lot. Just knowing compass
#fundamentals will put you way ahead of the rest of the class. Then take
#the course, it's actually a lot of fun.
#
mike gray - 15 May 2004 16:05 GMT
>  He mentioned a navigation tool they
> sometimes used that puts a display onto their compass board and uses
> fixed underwater beacons to help locate the slate (kind of like an
> underwater LORAN).

Yeah, very high tech, including "swimming buoys" that maintain their
position by GPS.

> But you're right that they still rely heavily on tried and true
> techniques like compass work (not to mention *really* good buoyancy
> control)

Yup.

> They also generally use pure O2 in rebreathers, don't go deeper than
> 25', and have all kinds of problems associated with long term O2
> exposure.

I think I posted a thing here a couple years ago from Lambertsen (?)
warning that the true danger of hyperbaric oxygen exposure is long term.
 I know that it is a big concern at the research level.
 
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