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Scuba Forum / General / May 2004update on abandoned diver Dan Carlock
Some more information came about the circumstances surrounding Dan Carlock: http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~29583~2129701,00.html http://www.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,204~23170~2129291,00.html Apparently, there was a thick fog and a strong current. When he surfaced, he couldn't see either the oil platform or his dive "buddy" (who forgot about him during roll call). He tried his whistle and inflated a 6 ft high orange marker. I also found this infuriating letter to the editor: http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c7515775-f785-412 7-ae00-5d23596f35a1 The author wrote this letter when there were very few facts about the situation. And he idiotically assumed that if the news article didn't mention something, then it didn't happen (like having a dive buddy). Here's some quotes from his letter... what an a**hole! "a substantial portion of neglect was on behalf of Mr. Carlock himself" "Carlock is obviously not equipped with the basic instinct of self-preservation, nor did he show any evidence of putting his training as a scuba diver to any use, whatsoever." "Diving with a buddy drastically prevents dive accidents. Apparently, Mr. Carlock skipped this chapter in his training manual." "With a touch of foresight, Mr. Carlock could have anticipated that the Divemaster might overlook his absence." > "With a touch of foresight, Mr. Carlock could have anticipated that > the Divemaster might overlook his absence." "if anyone is missing, please speak up now"  Signaturethe most committed always win >I also found this infuriating letter to the editor: >http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c7515775-f785-412 7-ae00-5d23596f35a1 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >mention something, then it didn't happen (like having a dive buddy). >Here's some quotes from his letter... what an a**hole! Yep. This guy apparently didn't care about the facts that are known from the published stories. The AP wire had a few things wrong with it, like the number of buddies, but at least Keen should have known there were buddies with him who did not abort their dive with him or do the proper search if they lost contact. If they knew he was surfacing and continued as a pair, proper respect for their buddy should have made them look for him safely back aboard at the completion of their dive. Keen's letter prompted me to write my first letter to the editor. He needs to know what an idiot he looks like. PADI would be well advised to check this guy out and do some remedial training on this DI since he seems to have some concepts wrong. > >I also found this infuriating letter to the editor: > >http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c7515775-f785-412 7-ae00-5d23596f35a1 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Keen's letter prompted me to write my first letter to the editor. He > needs to know what an idiot he looks like. newspeople no longer research and think about their stories. theyask people what their side is, and print both sides. they never point out that one side is unbelievable. > PADI would be well advised > to check this guy out and do some remedial training on this DI since > he seems to have some concepts wrong. >newspeople no longer research and think about their stories. >theyask people what their side is, and print both sides. > >they never point out that one side is unbelievable. Yep. But don't let them forget to punch up the emotional appeal either. Drama, where's the drama! > I also found this infuriating letter to the editor: > http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c7515775-f785-412 7-ae00-5d23596f35a1 It was written by a PADI instructor. What did you expect...that it would make sense? Brian Edmonton, Alberta > > I also found this infuriating letter to the editor: > > http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c7515775-f785-412 7-ae00-5d23596f35a1 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Brian > Edmonton, Alberta Why don't you go find out what kind of person he is for us Brian? From what I hear, he's an instructor at Northwest Scuba there in Edmonton... http://www.northwestscuba.com/team.html > > > I also found this infuriating letter to the editor: > > > http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c7515775-f785-412 7-ae00-5d23596f35a1 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > what I hear, he's an instructor at Northwest Scuba there in > Edmonton... He's a PADI instructor. That's all I need to know. Brian Edmonton, Alberta > > > > I also found this infuriating letter to the editor: > > > > http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c7515775-f785-412 7-ae00-5d23596f35a1 [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Brian > Edmonton, Alberta B No negligence on dive Re: Boy Scouts Save Diver Left Behind By Boat, April 30. The article is inaccurately portraying Dan Carlock as a victim of negligence on behalf of a professional Divemaster, when a substantial portion of "neglect" was on behalf of Mr. Carlock himself. Carlock is obviously not equipped with the basic instinct of self-preservation, nor did he show any evidence of putting his training as a scuba diver to any use, whatsoever. I am a seasoned dive professional This last sentence explains it all. All those DCS hits made him stupid. Adam >surfaced, he couldn't see either the oil platform or his dive "buddy" >(who forgot about him during roll call). He tried his whistle and >"Diving with a buddy drastically prevents dive accidents. Apparently, >Mr. Carlock skipped this chapter in his training manual." Well... technically... he was diving solo. What was his buddy doing on the boat attending roll-call when he was still in the water? That's not a buddy. A buddy is never farther away than you can swim on one breath. A buddy climbs the ladder immediately before you, but does not leave the step or hatch until you are also on board. He was not diving with a buddy. He was solo diving in a way that satisfied the DM's requirement that he have a buddy. Where's the fault? Who selected the "buddy"? If Dan did, and especially if it is a regular buddy, then the fault for poor buddy awareness is equally shared between the two. If the DM paired them on the boat, then MORE fault lies with the buddy, but Dan could have rejected the buddy as well and requested another. --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > Some more information came about the circumstances surrounding Dan > Carlock: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > "With a touch of foresight, Mr. Carlock could have anticipated that > the Divemaster might overlook his absence." and when you read the sig line 'Jacob Keen, PADI Open Water Scuba Instructor', it all becomes clear. >Some more information came about the circumstances surrounding Dan >Carlock: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I also found this infuriating letter to the editor: >http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c7515775-f785-412 7-ae00-5d23596f35a1 I've responded with the following: Regarding Mr. Keen's letter on May 6th (No negligence on dive). Mr. Keen leaves out several critical points. For instance, he negelcts to note the fog present at the time that limited the visibility. In addition, he has missed the point that it is the divemaster's responsibility to account for all divers. Mr. Keen would not, I hope, leave one of his students unaccounted for, assuming that he or she was on shore and okay. As a PADI instructor, I am very concerned by both the event and Mr. Keen's attitude. It does not carry with it the professional attitude presented by PADI instructors and divemasters. Thank you. Signaturedillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark and the horse's name was Bob. >From: uw_badgers@mail.com (Bucky) >The author wrote this letter when there were very few facts about the >situation. And he idiotically assumed that if the news article didn't >mention something, then it didn't happen (like having a dive buddy). >Here's some quotes from his letter... what an a**hole! What the -f.ck- is a "scuba unit"? Popeye The Power! \ / >>The author wrote this letter when there were very few facts about the >>situation. And he idiotically assumed that if the news article didn't >>mention something, then it didn't happen (like having a dive buddy). >>Here's some quotes from his letter... what an a**hole! > > What the -f.ck- is a "scuba unit"? That's the thing you stick your pecker in when you're diving in a dry suit. Scuba for your unit. --- Rich http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ > >From: uw_badgers@mail.com (Bucky) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What the -f.ck- is a "scuba unit"? I thought you'd worked on dive boats in Florida? You must've met a bunch of 'em! Dave. > >From: uw_badgers@mail.com (Bucky) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What the -f.ck- is a "scuba unit"? In the middle ages it was a castrated diver. >> >From: uw_badgers@mail.com (Bucky) >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > In the middle ages it was a castrated diver. In the middle of the twentieth century, commercial scuba gear was sold as a unit: tank(s), reg, and harness all in one package. One occasionally hears really really really old farts (e.g. Bell) refer to their entire setup as a "unit". > >> >From: uw_badgers@mail.com (Bucky) > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > One occasionally hears really really really old farts (e.g. Bell) refer > to their entire setup as a "unit". So what do you call it when you take it off, "an entire setup"? >> >From: uw_badgers@mail.com (Bucky) >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >In the middle ages it was a castrated diver. No silly, you're thinking of a scuba Unix. (See Dilbert for an explanation) Signaturedillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark and the horse's name was Bob. > >From: uw_badgers@mail.com (Bucky) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What the -f.ck- is a "scuba unit"? a penis on nitrox? > Popeye > The Power! \ / > What the -f.ck- is a "scuba unit"? SWMBO suggests it's derived from the term "spousal unit" - it's on your back, it's heavy, and it can really screw you if you don't treat it right... Mike http://www.corestore.org 'As I walk along these shores I am the history within' > > What the -f.ck- is a "scuba unit"? > SWMBO suggests it's derived from the term "spousal unit" - it's on > your back, it's heavy, and it can really screw you if you don't treat > it right... Must be another confusion here. Mine's rarely "on my back", weighs half what I do, and good treatment is a much better way to get......never, TMI. ;-) Curtis |
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