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Scuba Forum / General / April 2004Any type one or two diabetics diving on insulin that would care to share strategies?
Any type one or two insulin dependent diabetics that would care to discuss in group or out of group the strategies they employ when diving? ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ > Any type one or two insulin dependent diabetics that would care to > discuss in group or out of group the strategies they employ when > diving? > > ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ > ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ I'm insulin dependent type 2. I gave up the tech/extreme/deco stuff when I went on the needle, but have about 1300 rec dives since. You'd be surprised at the number of insulin-using divers out there. Following are six good links to get you started on diabetic diving: http://www.ymcascuba.org/diabetes.html http://www.jshaldane.mc.duke.edu/Projects/DADart1.htm http://www.scubamed.com/divmed.htm http://www.ukdiving.co.uk/ukdiving/medicine/diabetes.htm http://www.gulftel.com/~scubadoc/dbts.htm http://www.diversionoz.com/spumsdia.htm Happy to discuss strategies on the ng, but for scary stories email me at omgray@worldnet.att.net Thank you for the reference links. I'll check them out. No scary stories (yet LOL). ~|>Ratfish wrote: ~|>> Any type one or two insulin dependent diabetics that would care to ~|>> discuss in group or out of group the strategies they employ when ~|>> diving? ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~|>> ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ ~|> ~|> ~|>I'm insulin dependent type 2. I gave up the tech/extreme/deco stuff when ~|>I went on the needle, but have about 1300 rec dives since. You'd be ~|>surprised at the number of insulin-using divers out there. ~|> ~|>Following are six good links to get you started on diabetic diving: ~|> ~|> http://www.ymcascuba.org/diabetes.html ~|> ~|> http://www.jshaldane.mc.duke.edu/Projects/DADart1.htm ~|> ~|> http://www.scubamed.com/divmed.htm ~|> ~|> http://www.ukdiving.co.uk/ukdiving/medicine/diabetes.htm ~|> ~|> http://www.gulftel.com/~scubadoc/dbts.htm ~|> ~|> http://www.diversionoz.com/spumsdia.htm ~|> ~|>Happy to discuss strategies on the ng, but for scary stories email me at ~|>omgray@worldnet.att.net ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ > Any type one or two insulin dependent diabetics that would care to > discuss in group or out of group the strategies they employ when > diving? > > ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ > ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ I have type 2. Just watch my sugar levels, and eat regularly Insulin dependent? Test before? After? Skip insulin injections? Follow any specific protocol? Have you found anything that you can carry below for a quick anti glycemic fix? ~|> ~|> ~|>Ratfish wrote: ~|>> Any type one or two insulin dependent diabetics that would care to ~|>> discuss in group or out of group the strategies they employ when ~|>> diving? ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~|>> ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ ~|>I have type 2. ~|> ~|>Just watch my sugar levels, and eat regularly ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ > Insulin dependent? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ > ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ I test before Joe, Thank you for the info, much appreciated. ~|> ~|> ~|>Ratfish wrote: ~|>> Insulin dependent? ~|>> ~|>> Test before? After? ~|>> Skip insulin injections? ~|>> Follow any specific protocol? ~|>> Have you found anything that you can carry below for a quick anti ~|>> glycemic fix? ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:30:46 -0500, Joe English ~|>> <jenglish@accessusn.net> wrote: ~|>> ~|>> ~|> ~|>> ~|> ~|>> ~|>Ratfish wrote: ~|>> ~|>> Any type one or two insulin dependent diabetics that would care ~|>> to ~|>> ~|>> discuss in group or out of group the strategies they employ when ~|>> ~|>> diving? ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~|>> ~|>> ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ ~|>> ~|>I have type 2. ~|>> ~|> ~|>> ~|>Just watch my sugar levels, and eat regularly ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~|>> ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ ~|> ~|> ~|>I test before ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ > Any type one or two insulin dependent diabetics that would > care to discuss in group or out of group the strategies they employ > when diving? I'm type II, but not insulin dependant. I use the protocal as suggested by a previous poster. I even got a requirement added to the protocal to improve it. > Insulin dependent? > > Test before? After? > Skip insulin injections? > Follow any specific protocol? Dive only if you have your life (and hemoglobin a1c) under control. Admit nothing except to your buddy- otherwise you could be dry for a week. Wear a dogtag with the word 'diabetic'. Leave specific instructions for testing and administartion in your kit. Do not dive until you can assuredly manage and predict your blood sugar. It is no less dangerous or an issue than driving a car- it's just that everyone is going to tell you when where and how to do this. > Have you found anything that you can carry below for a quick anti > glycemic fix? Mike Gray (ESG) said he was testing a pre-existing product for this purpose- Mike? > ~|> > ~|> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ > ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ Thank you for the concise feedback. I'm there, guess I wanted to make sure there weren't any tricks besides diligence, control, fitness and most of all common sense. Appreciate the advice on informing fellow divers. The shunned concept was a concern. Thank you. ~|> ~|>"Ratfish" <Ratfish45@yahoo.com> wrote in message ~|>news:9ru3805pp8m0om4iud26e5f04q5cvjq34u@4ax.com... ~|>> Insulin dependent? ~|>> ~|>> Test before? After? ~|>> Skip insulin injections? ~|>> Follow any specific protocol? ~|> ~|> Dive only if you have your life (and hemoglobin a1c) under control. ~|> ~|> Admit nothing except to your buddy- otherwise you could be dry for a ~|>week. Wear a dogtag with the word 'diabetic'. Leave specific instructions ~|>for testing and administartion in your kit. Do not dive until you can ~|>assuredly manage and predict your blood sugar. ~|> ~|> It is no less dangerous or an issue than driving a car- it's just that ~|>everyone is going to tell you when where and how to do this. ~|> ~|> ~|> ~|>> Have you found anything that you can carry below for a quick anti ~|>> glycemic fix? ~|> ~|>Mike Gray (ESG) said he was testing a pre-existing product for this purpose- ~|>Mike? ~|> ~|> ~|> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:30:46 -0500, Joe English ~|>> <jenglish@accessusn.net> wrote: ~|>> ~|>> ~|> ~|>> ~|> ~|>> ~|>Ratfish wrote: ~|>> ~|>> Any type one or two insulin dependent diabetics that would care ~|>> to ~|>> ~|>> discuss in group or out of group the strategies they employ when ~|>> ~|>> diving? ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~|>> ~|>> ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ ~|>> ~|>I have type 2. ~|>> ~|> ~|>> ~|>Just watch my sugar levels, and eat regularly ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~|>> ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~|>> ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ ~|> ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ > Thank you for the concise feedback. > I'm there, guess I wanted to make sure there weren't any tricks [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thank you. Since I didn't see it come up before, I'll mentioned it now. Two of my regular dive buddies are diabetic. One of them has already responded to you here. The other won't be found here, so I'll mention one of his issues for the sake of completeness. He is a bit sensitive to the truth, a bit more sensitive to it than I'll ever be. Where I'd keep my medical condition to myself, he feels obligated to answer medical questions honestly. He has learned to expect a certain degree of reluctance from diving organizations and comes prepared for it. He brings a doctor's release for diving related activities with him. So far, it's allowed him to become a dive instructor, become the head of a police dive team, work with Homeland Security in the search of vessels for drugs and/or bombs and take helicopter rescue training from the Coast Guard. He's a heck of a lobster hunter and spearfisherman as well. If you are as interested in telling the truth as he is, I hope you'll meet as many understanding, rational people as he has. While I suppose diabetes may change one's limits, to the best of my knowledge, my friend has yet to reach his. I hope you are as lucky. Lee >> Thank you for the concise feedback. >> I'm there, guess I wanted to make sure there weren't any tricks [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Lee There are many who still hold the old concept that certain people shouldn't dive because of their "disability". Anyone who can do a "reasonable" amount of exercise and is in "reasonably good" shape (note quotes) should be able to dive. Whether a diabetic should dive is a question that should be answered by the individual and his/her doctor. And the rest of us should accept that call.  Signaturedillon Life is always short, but only you can make it sweet > There are many who still hold the old concept that certain people > shouldn't dive because of their "disability". There are at least some that are right. > Anyone who can do a "reasonable" amount of exercise and is in "reasonably good" shape > (note quotes) should be able to dive. Your statement is rendered meaningless by the breadth of possible interpretations of "reasonably good." Worse, it fails to take into account the range of activities and effort that might be required in a specific type of diving. > Whether a diabetic should dive > is a question that should be answered by the individual and his/her > doctor. Agreed. > And the rest of us should accept that call. Those that provide services to others who may be impaired, have a right and even an obligation to question the individual's ability to do a particular dive safely. If you're going to tell them about a potentially limiting condition, it's wise to be prepared to provide assurance that the answer to that question is yes. This is exactly why my buddy brings that medical certification with him. A copy of that certification should be enough to end the question and enough to protect the provider of the services should the doctor's conclusion prove to be incorrect. Lee > >> Thank you for the concise feedback. > >> I'm there, guess I wanted to make sure there weren't any tricks [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > is a question that should be answered by the individual and his/her > doctor. And the rest of us should accept that call. I was in Cozumel in Feb and one day there were very heavy seas during an El Norte. Only the larger boats went out and many divers were afraid to go out. As we were boarding the boat we saw a paralegic woman diver being lifted with her wheelchair onto a dive boat. Adam > I was in Cozumel in Feb and one day there were very heavy seas during an El Norte. Only > the larger boats went out and many divers were afraid to go out. As we were boarding the > boat we saw a paralegic woman diver being lifted with her wheelchair onto a dive boat. Wheelchairs are for strokes. > > I was in Cozumel in Feb and one day there were very heavy seas during an > El Norte. Only [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Wheelchairs are for strokes. Definitely not DIR approved. And I'll second that....I say I am a diabetic, I have medical releases signed, and it has never stopped me from engaging in diving. I really don't see the need to tell a lie or fib about being a diabetic. Lee is right: there is a lot of reasonable rational, sympathetic and understanding people out there RM > > Thank you for the concise feedback. > > I'm there, guess I wanted to make sure there weren't any tricks [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Lee Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate the information and the wishes. I do travel with copies of my physician's ok and have limited the knowledge dispersal to my buddy. I do agree with honesty, hiding it is potentially disastrous for many as well as the sport. Knowledge deficit is a serious handicap. Again thank you. ~|>"Ratfish" wrote ~|> ~|>> Thank you for the concise feedback. ~|>> I'm there, guess I wanted to make sure there weren't any tricks ~|>> besides diligence, control, fitness and most of all common sense. ~|>> Appreciate the advice on informing fellow divers. The shunned concept ~|>> was a concern. ~|>> ~|>> Thank you. ~|> ~|>Since I didn't see it come up before, I'll mentioned it now. Two of my ~|>regular dive buddies are diabetic. One of them has already responded to you ~|>here. The other won't be found here, so I'll mention one of his issues for ~|>the sake of completeness. He is a bit sensitive to the truth, a bit more ~|>sensitive to it than I'll ever be. Where I'd keep my medical condition to ~|>myself, he feels obligated to answer medical questions honestly. He has ~|>learned to expect a certain degree of reluctance from diving organizations ~|>and comes prepared for it. He brings a doctor's release for diving related ~|>activities with him. So far, it's allowed him to become a dive instructor, ~|>become the head of a police dive team, work with Homeland Security in the ~|>search of vessels for drugs and/or bombs and take helicopter rescue training ~|>from the Coast Guard. He's a heck of a lobster hunter and spearfisherman as ~|>well. ~|> ~|>If you are as interested in telling the truth as he is, I hope you'll meet ~|>as many understanding, rational people as he has. While I suppose diabetes ~|>may change one's limits, to the best of my knowledge, my friend has yet to ~|>reach his. I hope you are as lucky. ~|> ~|>Lee ~|> ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~ > Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate the information and the > wishes. I do travel with copies of my physician's ok and have limited > the knowledge dispersal to my buddy. I do agree with honesty, hiding > it is potentially disastrous for many as well as the sport. Knowledge > deficit is a serious handicap. > Again thank you. Welcome to rec.scuba, Ratfish. It's a pleasure to meet ya. Your use of the term 'knowledge deficit' is telling. :) > Insulin dependent? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Have you found anything that you can carry below for a quick anti > glycemic fix? I found this product: "Insta-Glucose" gel tubes. http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/detail?prodid=953596&previousURI=/CVSApp/c vs/gateway/search?ActiveCat=499^Query=glucose This is soft tube containing about 30g of gel glucose. Can be carried underwated and used at depth. The gel is thick and does not mix with water easyly. If you feel that your BG is low twist cap and suck the tube. Type 1 Insulin. I carry glucose with me UW. Dive buddies know the protocol. Test before and after. My three month glucose blood levels have been stable for years at 5.2 which is the range of non-diabetic people. If I know I will do a more strenuous dive, I will eat a snack just before going in the water....and I do mean a snack.... :) RM > Any type one or two insulin dependent diabetics that would care to > discuss in group or out of group the strategies they employ when > diving? > > ~~~Fortes Fortuna Juvat~~~ > ~~~~~Veritas Vincit~~~~~~~
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