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Scuba Forum / General / November 2003I bought equipment (new diver)!!! (:
I had been debating myself on the merits of buying equipment to use NOW while I am in my OW class and to use during my upcoming trip and just using the rental stuff to save money. Well, I got an e-mail this morning from my brother telling me he was going to cough up the $5300 he owes me by the end of the year. That was all the justification I needed to go out and buy the equipment I wanted (: I like to support the local guy and all (I had already spend $1100 on the basics - prescription mask, fins, snorkel, knife, the class, the class materials, gear bag, etc.), so I got his recommendations and price info (this is also the shop hosting the OW class I am taking). Then I went home and looked up prices on the Internet (leisurepro.com seems to be good). There was a huge difference! The sticker price on the stuff in the store came to $2413 and the sticker price on the exact same stuff at leisurepro.com came to $1700 plus about $80 shipping) - call it $1800. So that's more than $600 to support the local guy. I took my print out order from the website (I put stuff in my cart but didn't buy) to see what could be worked out. He came back with $2151.80 - a big discount over the sticker price, but still $350 more than the "with shipping" price on-line. The big difference was in the dive computer - he said the one I had was only $10 over dealer cost and he just couldn't touch it. He offered a package that had what I wanted, but with a Scuba Pro mini-gauge instead of the dive computer for $1350. I could get the dive computer on-line, with shipping, for $580, giving me a total package of $1930 (with the mini pressure gauge left over if anyone wants to buy it). That's still about $200 more than the on-line price, but about $200 better than the package price he originally offered. All in all, I decided it was worth $200 or so to support the local guy, buy some good will with the LDS, and ensure I'm not treated like dirt when I go in there. So here's what I got: [store sticker price in brackets] {Leisurepro.com price in braces} From Local Dive Shop ============================================================== SeaQuest Black Diamond BCD (w/Surelock) [$695] {$550} ScubaPro MK25/S600 Regulator (1st/2nd stage) [$550] {$350} SeaQuest Air Source (2nd regulator/power inflator) [$250] {$199} ScubaPro Mini Pressure Gauge [$120] {$65} (note that I don't need this) Package Price: $1350 [$1615] {$1250} From LeisurePro.com ============================================================== Suunto Cobra Computer Console with Compass: $474 Quick Disconnect for Cobra: $64.95 Padded Cover for Console: $11.95 Shipping: $27.16 Total Price: $579.01 On a side note, since my brother is coughing up the money he owes, I decided to get the underwater photography stuff I wanted: From Adorama.com ============================================================== Ikelite housing for Canon G2 camera: $599 Ikelite Substrobe DS-125 package for above: $649 Shipping: $60.60 Total Price: $1310.50 I did a lot of looking around before buying anything - I think I did OK with this stuff, and I guess it's too late to do anything about it now - but if anyone has any words of wisdom about any of this equipment, I'd be happy to hear it. I've always wanted to go scuba diving in Australia, and I finally decided to do it. I'm taking the open water class now and certifying in Whitter (Alaska) on November 8th & 9th. The Australia trip is November 28 - December 26 and includes three 3 day liveaboards and one 7 day liveaboard, with about 55 scheduled dives and the advanced course. I wanted to make the most of the trip, hence the high dollar photo stuff (I already had the G2 camera) and spending money on gear rather than renting. I hope it's the right decision! I just hope I end up liking scuba diving and continue to do it when I get back! (: > ============================================================== > SeaQuest Black Diamond BCD (w/Surelock) [$695] {$550} [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > but if anyone has any words of wisdom about any of this equipment, I'd be > happy to hear it. I've got a few: 1. The time to have asked this was before you decided on what you wanted, not after. 2. I hope your brother comes through. With my sister, I believe it when I've got cash in my hands. > I've always wanted to go scuba diving in Australia, and I finally decided > to do it. I'm taking the open water class now and certifying in Whitter > (Alaska) on November 8th & 9th. 3. There's no thermal protection in your list. I was under the impression that the water in Alaska is cold. > The Australia trip is November 28 - > December 26 and includes three 3 day liveaboards and one 7 day liveaboard, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > right decision! I just hope I end up liking scuba diving and continue to > do it when I get back! (: I hope you like it too. Here's some more equipment specific comments: 1. There are at least two BCD options I prefer to the one you chose. My first choice, and what I use, is a stainless plate and inflatable wing. It's considerably more streamlined and moves weight to your center of buoyancy (lungs) rather than to a belt around your waist. My second choice would be something like the Dive Rite Trans Pack, an even more minimal (odd way to say it, hope you understand) choice than the plate and wing. Both choices hold a tank in a more stable position than what you chose. Otherwise, you're choice isn't bad. I like SeaQuest's BCDs. I've still got two of them. 2. For those that chose a jacket style BCD, a combination alternate/inflator is not a bad choice and, in my opinion, you got the right one. I've got two of the older SeaQuest Air Source units and the only problem I ever had with them was related to the dump valve, not the regulator function. 3. Personally, I don't like air integrated computers. They put too much critical information in one place, all dependent on electronics in a marine environment powered by batteries that have a way of failing when you least expect them to. I also don't like the Suunto computer line. They all have built in conservatism that exceeds my preferences. It's not that I dislike conservative diving, but rather, that I prefer to decide how conservative to be for myself rather than having a computer do it for me. For those that like air integrated computers and don't mind the extra conservative nature of the Suuntos, they're not a bad choice. They are generally robust, reliable and easy to use. The guage feature is a nice touch appreciated by technical divers. 4. If you think you don't need the submersible pressure guage, put it up for sale now. It's a popular item, by a popular manufacturer and, should sell reasonably well. 5. Your choice to go into underwater photography so early is likely to frustrate you. Underwater photography is quite different from land photography and takes time to do even acceptably, let alone well. You haven't even gotten the diving part of things down pat yet, and are getting ready to add significant task and equipment loading to the equation. Be careful. Be very careful. Photographers are well known for paying far too little attention to their diving and far too much to their pictures. Not getting a picture won't kill you. Making a diving mistake can. Lee ultramafic@cluemail.com (Steve Wilbur) entertained us with: :Quick Disconnect for Cobra: $64.95 Pay attention to those. I used to use one. They tend to unscrew. Dan Bracuk As Big Ben said to the Leaning Tower of Pisa, I've got the time if you've got the inclination. The Best of Rec.Scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > I did a lot of looking around before buying anything - I think I did OK > with this stuff, and I guess it's too late to do anything about it now - > but if anyone has any words of wisdom about any of this equipment, I'd be > happy to hear it. Sell it now--unused and you can still get a good fifty percent or more for it on ebay. Then go buy some decent gear. AirHog  Signature"there's the wolf pack and the sled dogs, and you have a God given right to have your nose up under a tail for as long as you want." > > I did a lot of looking around before buying anything - I think I did OK > > with this stuff, and I guess it's too late to do anything about it now - [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sell it now--unused and you can still get a good fifty percent or more for > it on ebay. Then go buy some decent gear. Sound advice. Brian Edmonton, Alberta www.mossmanscubaventures.com > I've always wanted to go scuba diving in Australia, and I finally decided > to do it. I'm taking the open water class now and certifying in Whitter [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > right decision! I just hope I end up liking scuba diving and continue to > do it when I get back! (: I think you're cutting it a bit close on the timing. If you don't get certified on the 8th & 9th which is a definite possibility due to inclement weather or equipment/diver/instructor malfunction, do you have a contingency plan? Best bet is to make sure someone is available to do a referral cert on your liveaboard - otherwise you'll be spending valuable vacation time retaking the entire open water class. Steve, First of all, welcome to the wonderful world of diving. Know at the outset that I'm a dive retailer so realize that that might affect some of things I'm going to say. First of all, IMHO, you got good stuff. No matter what you buy, especially in a forum like this, you'll find five people who will tell you you got good things, five people who will advise you to sell everything immediately, five people who will tell you you got ripped off, and five people who will question your manhood. Despite what some would claim, other than "don't hold your breath while you ascend," there really aren't any absolutles in diving and one size doesn't fit all. It's ALL opinion. (And that also, is an opinion.) This is an expensive adventure sport. And while there's nothing wrong with trying to get the best price, realize that you may not always be getting what you think you're getting. Just so you know, I've actually been to the Leisure Pro store in New York City. Small store (on the third floor of their building above their camera store) and the two guys working their seemed quite nice. But given that Leisure Pro does not buy directly from any mfgs and instead either gets stores to buy for them or buys stock of stores going out of business, some of their merchandise is dated. When I was there (last time was two years ago), I got a good chuckle out of seeing a display model of an Orca Nitrox Delphi computer marked as "Brand New." And while I'm sure it had never been used, I was also aware that the compnay had stopped making that computer perhaps five or six years earlier. So buyer beware. A good, and more recent, exmaple is a friend of mine who was interested in buying an Atomic B1 regulator. Since we're an Atomic dealer, and a fairly large one at that, he asked me what I could do for him, and made it very clear that he was primarily motivated by price. The MSRP on that one (at the time) was $670. We get ours environmentally sealed (which adds about $50) but we quoted him a price around $575. He called Leisure Pro and was quoted a price of somewhere around $500 plus shipping, but theirs was not environmentally sealed. That's the one he went with. (This all took place this past Februarey.) Since he did my Tahiti trip two months ago, we disucssed this again. I pointed out the value of supporting your local store and suggested that whatever the price difference (1) it's negligible over the lifespan of the regulator, and (2) you'll make that back in extra favors or service from your LDS over time. I was also curious to see where his unit had come from. So we took down the first and second-stage serial numbers and when I got back from the trip, called Atomic and asked them to track it down for me. Turns out the unit was originally shipped to the Middle East for distribution in Israel, though it's still made to American specs. The distributor there (no longer an Atomic dealer) sold the unit to Leisure Pro. They then sold it to my buddy. The kicker to all of this is that my friend bought this "new" B1 from Leisure Pro this past February, 2003. But the unit had actually been manufactured and shipped in early 1999. So what he really got was a 4-year-old regulator, that had been sitting on a shelf somewhere for that amount of time. Not quite the same "new" when you buy it from your LDS. Technically, the unit should have been serviced again since it had gone beyond the 2-year service interval (which would have added to the cost). My friend said had he known this at the outset, he wouldn't have bought the reg from Leisure Pro. There's certainly nothing wrong with the customer trying to save money nor is there anything wrong with the retailer trying to make a profit. But, especially when you're dealing with on-line purchasing (and this is NOT meant as a slam against Leisure Pro), it really is "Buyer Beware" because you may not be getting exactly what you think you'tre getting, and the time and effort it may take to rectify the situation could far exceed whatever apparent savings you realized in the first place. Ken Kurtis NAUI INstr. #5936 Co-owner, Reef Seekers Dive Co. Beverly Hills, CA > There's certainly nothing wrong with the customer trying to save money nor is > there anything wrong with the retailer trying to make a profit. But, especially [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > take to rectify the situation could far exceed whatever apparent savings you > realized in the first place. I cannot wait to slice this up when I get back tonight. AirHog... Frothing at the mouth..... > First of all, IMHO, you got good stuff. No matter what you buy, especially in a > forum like this, you'll find five people who will tell you you got good things, > five people who will advise you to sell everything immediately, five people who > will tell you you got ripped off, and five people who will question your > manhood. Hahahahaha. Aint that the truth (: Thanks for your words of wisdom - much appreciated. In this case, what I ended up buying from LP is the Cobra console with compass, quick disconnect, and padded case. I suppose I could get a computer with outdated software or something, I dunno. At least it shouldn't have many moving parts to get messed up. On the positive side, a number of other on-line places had the same thing for $20 more or so - so hopefully I will not be getting a lemon. (: >Steve, > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >$670. We get ours environmentally sealed (which adds about $50) but we quoted >him a price around $575. Come on Ken the MSRP is not he standard for good pricing. Tellus the shop mark up. That will tell more of the story. >He called Leisure Pro and was quoted a price of somewhere around $500 plus >shipping, but theirs was not environmentally sealed. That's the one he went [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >price difference (1) it's negligible over the lifespan of the regulator, and >(2) you'll make that back in extra favors or service from your LDS over time. This is crazy. I bougt several Apeks regs from Diveinn for a fraction of what the LDS wanted to charge me. I could almost toss the reg and buy another when it needed servicing and still come out even. And they are an Apeks dealer, so they are under warranty. >I was also curious to see where his unit had come from. So we took down the >first and second-stage serial numbers and when I got back from the trip, called [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >longer an Atomic dealer) sold the unit to Leisure Pro. They then sold it to my >buddy. So? >The kicker to all of this is that my friend bought this "new" B1 from Leisure >Pro this past February, 2003. But the unit had actually been manufactured and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >shelf somewhere for that amount of time. Not quite the same "new" when you buy >it from your LDS. I'd be interested in running the serial numbers on some of the items in my LDS's stock Also, Leaisure Pro and others ARE someone's LDS are they not? They simply do mail/internet orders as well. Same for Divers Direct, Divers Supply etc. Technically, the unit should have been serviced again since >it had gone beyond the 2-year service interval (which would have added to the >cost). My friend said had he known this at the outset, he wouldn't have bought [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >against Leisure Pro), it really is "Buyer Beware" because you may not be >getting exactly what you think you'tre getting, It's * Buyer Beware * everywhere. Not just internet ordering. Laser > Also, Leaisure Pro and others ARE someone's LDS are they not? I suppose it depends on whether you consider Leisure Pro to be a dive shop. My question, which Ken's post raised, is when was that regulator last serviced. If it was serviced shortly before being sold, good enough. If not, then Ken's right, there's a hidden cost that needs to be considered in determining where to buy your equipment. >They simply do mail/internet orders as well. Same for Divers Direct, Divers > Supply etc. Divers Direct has at least three stores in my part of Florida. They're a real dive shop with a pretty long history of brick and mortar shops. In some cases, their inventory deserves a close look too. They also buy overstock and from closed shops. Lee >> Also, Leaisure Pro and others ARE someone's LDS are they not? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Lee They occasionally have some AMAZING deals, not just "good" deals. Right now they have "Dacor" Drysuits, which look suspiciously like the DiveRite suit less the pockets (which you can of coruse add yourself), for $400. No, that's not a misprint. Its obviously a close-out, as they only have some sizes available..... Its rear-entry, but the zip has a velcro cover for protection and the neck dam, and the material is trilam. I've got one on the way; if it fits me (it SHOULD) its an absolutely unbelieveable deal. The best price I've found, even online, for these is typically right near $1,000. My other one, unfortunately, is too big - I lost some weight and it doesn't fit me right any more. :) If this fits, then I'm going to be one VERY happy camper. If not, then I guess DUI gets a bunch of my money in a month or two once I can play with theirs for a while in the water at the upcoming DOG in the Panhandle. -- SignatureKarl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net Tired of spam at your company? LOOK HERE! http://childrens-justice.org Working for family and children's rights http://diversunion.org LOG IN AND GET YOUR TANK STICKERS TODAY! > They occasionally have some AMAZING deals, not just "good" deals. > > Right now they have "Dacor" Drysuits, which look suspiciously like the > DiveRite suit less the pockets (which you can of coruse add yourself), for > $400. No, that's not a misprint. Its obviously a close-out, as they only > have some sizes available..... I think I'll be stopping buy one of their shops tonight. Unfortunately, I'll be the suits are at the Florida City store. That's the one that most often has teh closeouts. > My other one, unfortunately, is too big - I lost some weight and it doesn't > fit me right any more. :) If this fits, then I'm going to be one VERY > happy camper. If not, then I guess DUI gets a bunch of my money in a > month or two once I can play with theirs for a while in the water at the > upcoming DOG in the Panhandle. You can always move to someplace where the water's not cold enough to require a drysuit. Lee (snip)> > They also buy > overstock and from closed shops. For that matter, so do some LDSs. >> Also, Leaisure Pro and others ARE someone's LDS are they not? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Lee My shop painted their floor where the air fill station in, on a Friday prior to a holiday weekend. I came by on the Friday with several tanks and was told that I couldn't get them filled because they painted the floor. I now have to drive further because these asswipes are clueless. > First of all, welcome to the wonderful world of diving. Know at the outset that > I'm a dive retailer so realize that that might affect some of things I'm going > to say. No sh.t...are you kidding me? A biased Dive retailer? > First of all, IMHO, you got good stuff. Keyboard. >No matter what you buy, especially in a > forum like this, you'll find five people who will tell you you got good things, > five people who will advise you to sell everything immediately, five people who > will tell you you got ripped off, and five people who will question your > manhood. Trust me-if he already bought this load of sh.t he needs his manhood questioned. I already advised him to sell all of this sh.t while it is remotely new--he can get a decent return and afford some decent gear. > Despite what some would claim, other than "don't hold your breath while you > ascend," there really aren't any absolutles in diving and one size doesn't fit > all. It's ALL opinion. (And that also, is an opinion.) Yep..very few of us actually get a choice of how we want to die. You are are in bad shape if you consider do not hold your breath while you ascend to be the only *absolute* in diving. There is a nice system, designed and laid out that even dive shop monkeys can figure out what it is if they get over tehri own ego, greed a nd heap of bullshit they have implanted in their faces and those of their customers. > This is an expensive adventure sport. And while there's nothing wrong with > trying to get the best price, realize that you may not always be getting what > you think you're getting. Vewry,vwery scary huntin' 'dem wabbits--dangerous even....You are right-- you could get shoved over a barrel and have a dick pounded in your a.s by a dive shop retailer, both figuratively and literally raping you. Whith any luck you can even get a reach around. > Just so you know, I've actually been to the Leisure Pro store in New York City. > Small store (on the third floor of their building above their camera store) and > the two guys working their seemed quite nice. And your point here is what? Your store is bigger? your dick is bigger? Your fees higher? or *D* -All of the above? That statement is blatant f.cking disrespectful and intended to cast LP in a negative light. > But given that Leisure Pro does not buy directly from any mfgs and instead > either gets stores to buy for them or buys stock of stores going out of > business, some of their merchandise is dated. So a brand new VX10 out of a box opened in 2001 is going to suck compared to a brand new VX10 opened today? Gimme a f.cking break why not just spam your f.cking store and get it over with. > When I was there (last time was two years ago), I got a good chuckle out of > seeing a display model of an Orca Nitrox Delphi computer marked as "Brand New." > And while I'm sure it had never been used, I was also aware that the compnay > had stopped making that computer perhaps five or six years earlier. Hrmmm.I think if I am not mistaken a well known poster her uses that computer --a hell of a f.cking lot...I seem to have heard him say it never gave him any issues ...so f.cking what? What is your f.cking point Ken? > So buyer beware. Beware of f.cking a.s raping dive retailers charging you enough to support their habits for geaqr you can get much less expensive from better places.... > A good, and more recent, exmaple is a friend of mine who was interested in > buying an Atomic B1 regulator. Since we're an Atomic dealer, and a fairly large > one at that, he asked me what I could do for him, and made it very clear that > he was primarily motivated by price. The MSRP on that one (at the time) was > $670. We get ours environmentally sealed (which adds about $50) but we quoted > him a price around $575. SO you are a.s slamming even your friends? Imagine what would happen to a complete stranger walking into your store...--Aren't you the one with the hat gods of all things aquatic or some horseshit? > He called Leisure Pro and was quoted a price of somewhere around $500 plus > shipping, but theirs was not environmentally sealed. That's the one he went > with. (This all took place this past Februarey.) He should asked directly for what he wanted and asked them to do better--they always have. > Since he did my Tahiti trip two months ago, we disucssed this again. I pointed > out the value of supporting your local store and suggested that whatever the > price difference (1) it's negligible over the lifespan of the regulator, and > (2) you'll make that back in extra favors or service from your LDS over time. So you a.s slammed for an overpriced dive trip--some friend. Extra favors at your shop include reach arounds? > I was also curious to see where his unit had come from. So we took down the > first and second-stage serial numbers and when I got back from the trip, called > Atomic and asked them to track it down for me. Why did you tear it down? to cast aspersions again agassint the stores that are finally closing the doorsd to scamming a.s whores like yours? Inspector f.cking Clouseau. > Turns out the unit was originally shipped to the Middle East for distribution > in Israel, though it's still made to American specs. The distributor there (no > longer an Atomic dealer) sold the unit to Leisure Pro. They then sold it to my > buddy. So Atomic makes regs that are desgined to kill anyone who is not American? Who gives a f.ck? > The kicker to all of this is that my friend bought this "new" B1 from Leisure > Pro this past February, 2003. But the unit had actually been manufactured and > shipped in early 1999. And I can go buy a bradn new 2000 F-150 for a sweet deal at the Ford ddealership around the corner--but it was not made this year so I should not? Who the f.ck cares?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > So what he really got was a 4-year-old regulator, that had been sitting on a > shelf somewhere for that amount of time. Not quite the same "new" when you buy > it from your LDS. Technically, the unit should have been serviced again since > it had gone beyond the 2-year service interval (which would have added to the > cost). My friend said had he known this at the outset, he wouldn't have bought > the reg from Leisure Pro. Tell your freidn for me --he is a f.cking gullible idiot. > There's certainly nothing wrong with the customer trying to save money nor is > there anything wrong with the retailer trying to make a profit. But, especially > when you're dealing with on-line purchasing (and this is NOT meant as a slam > against Leisure Pro), f.cking Liar. > it really is "Buyer Beware" because you may not be > getting exactly what you think you'tre getting, and the time and effort it may > take to rectify the situation could far exceed whatever apparent savings you > realized in the first place. Bullshit. Next. > Ken Kurtis > NAUI INstr. #5936 > Co-owner, Reef Seekers Dive Co. > Beverly Hills, CA Spammer. I thought I was a touch more subtle. :) Laser > I thought I was a touch more subtle. :) Well, sometimes I am little high strung.... :-) AirHog Signature"Behold the pale horse and the man who sat on him was death and hell followed with him." > > I thought I was a touch more subtle. :) > > Well, sometimes I am little high strung.... Excitable boy that you are! (-: Kimber > Steve, I have to run out again--but I will be back--I am not done yet---I have more--killfile me now > I have to run out again--but I will be back--I am not done yet---I have > more--killfile me now Done. > Done. Actually I doubt it...but looking at your headers...you probably need someone to show you how. AirHog Signature"Behold the pale horse and the man who sat on him was death and hell followed with him." >> Done. > >Actually I doubt it...but looking at your headers...you probably need >someone to show you how. Subtle > and five people who will question your manhood. Only five? Have things quieted down while I was gone? Drew (snip)> I did a lot of looking around before buying anything - I think I did OK > with this stuff, and I guess it's too late to do anything about it now - > but if anyone has any words of wisdom about any of this equipment, I'd be > happy to hear it. You've purchased it and there's nothing terribly wrong with any of it. Don't worry about these backplate boys. My words of 'wisdom' to you, are go learn your equipment and how it functions. Spend a bunch of time in the pool becoming familiar with it. Wear it around the house a little bit too. Then go and dive. Don't ever exceed your training. After you've become a better more comfortable diver, you may decide that you want to start changing your gear. Worry about it then. > I've always wanted to go scuba diving in Australia, and I finally decided > to do it. I'm taking the open water class now and certifying in Whitter [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > right decision! I just hope I end up liking scuba diving and continue to > do it when I get back! (: I hope it was the right decision for you too. It is unusual to purchase the full kit before you certify. Forget the camera, for now. Learn how to dive first. Get your buoyancy taken care of first. > After you've become a better more comfortable diver, you may decide that you > want to start changing your gear. Worry about it then. Change it for what? > > After you've become a better more comfortable diver, you may decide that you > > want to start changing your gear. Worry about it then. > > Change it for what? Better gear. Safer gear. Backplate and wings, (not to be confused with the Trashpac, which is dangerous) and a balanced rig. It's a good idea to buy the right gear first. It's cheaper that way, but there's a lot of people here who think you need to pay your dues, just like they did, and buy crap, sell it, and buy good gear. I have some crap that I replaced, would you like to buy it? Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 Whats the crap? rhys > ? In article <ovLkb.133467$pl3.106487@pd7tw3no>, "chilly" > ? <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote: > ? > After you've become a better more comfortable diver, you may decide that you > ? > want to start changing your gear. Worry about it then. > ? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > "We're going to rush the hijackers." > -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Better gear. Safer gear. That doesn't really tell me anything. > Backplate and wings neither does that. But thanks anyway. > > Better gear. Safer gear. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > neither does that. Sure it does. "Learning 101". Look it up. Remember that no one here cares what you do. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Sure it does. "Learning 101". Look it up. > Remember that no one here cares what you do. Great - thanks for your incredibly useful feedback and witty commentary. I'll be sure to use it appropriately in my decision-making process. cheers! -sw > > Sure it does. "Learning 101". Look it up. > > Remember that no one here cares what you do. > > Great - thanks for your incredibly useful feedback and witty commentary. > I'll be sure to use it appropriately in my decision-making process. Try this link -- read -- and maybe you will understand. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jammer+learning+101&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF- 8&selm=8bbijq%24n5o%240%40216.39.131.92&rnum=1 If that doesn't wrap try -- http://tinyurl.com/rnul Kimber > I'll be sure to use it appropriately in my decision-making process. We know. Signature"Let's roll!" -Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > € In article <ovLkb.133467$pl3.106487@pd7tw3no>, "chilly" > € <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Backplate and wings, (not to be confused with the Trashpac, which is > dangerous) and a balanced rig. No evidence of the DiveRite Transpac being dangerous other than a dangerous diver using it. It can be as "balanced" as anything else out there. > It's a good idea to buy the right gear first. It's cheaper that way, > but there's a lot of people here who think you need to pay your dues, > just like they did, and buy crap, sell it, and buy good gear. Agreed. If you plan on diving, buy the right gear the first time. It will last you forever. Most dive shops don't seem to want to sell you that. They are in the business of selling goods and making money. Nothing wrong with that, except you get that feeling you have been "had" when you finally realize that you want to buy "better" gear. > I have some crap that I replaced, would you like to buy it? I still have my old SeaQuest Infinity BCD that's over 10 years old. Still works great. And.... it ain't crap. > No evidence of the DiveRite Transpac being dangerous other than a > dangerous diver using it. You sample set it too small. It took me a while but I found some people that have had problems with it. And no, they weren't unsafe individuals. >>No evidence of the DiveRite Transpac being dangerous other than a >>dangerous diver using it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It took me a while but I found some people that have had problems > with it. And no, they weren't unsafe individuals. You will find people that have problems with just about anything in existence. I know of someone that dives it and loves it. I tease him by calling it the "trashpac", but he just laughs and goes off diving. > You will find people that have problems with just about anything in > existence. With one glaring exception. You have no experience with that, so I'm sure that in your world, it's true. Just don't expect those of us with a larger world to agree. Signature"I know we're going to die. There's three of us who are going to do something about it." -Tom Burnett, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? You will find people that have problems with just about anything in > ? existence. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just don't expect those of us with a larger world to agree. And just what is it about the larger world that you know so much about? > > You have no experience with that, so I'm sure that in your world, it's > > true. > > > > Just don't expect those of us with a larger world to agree. > > And just what is it about the larger world that you know so much about? uhm... Sorry, sugar, can't parse your question. What is what about the larger world, etc.? We might get along after all. Mauser was just a puppy, but was showing definite signs of being one hell of a dog. I like all dogs better than most people, and people who like dogs get an extra five points with me. Which, in some cases, brings them all the way up to "ignore", or even "tolerable while at sea on a live aboard." Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 >I like all dogs better than > most people, and people who like dogs get an extra five points with me. Preach on your lordship, preach on,,, SignatureAirHog ------ "Tell them I am coming and hell';s coming with me." > Preach on your lordship, preach on,,, "Lordship"? Are We going to have to smite your silly a.s again? Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Are We going to have to smite your silly a.s again? You are doing something to my a.s...not sure if it is smiting it or not... AirHog > >I like all dogs better than > > most people, and people who like dogs get an extra five points with me. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ------ > "Tell them I am coming and hell';s coming with me." Preaching to the perverted eh? rhys >>? You will find people that have problems with just about anything in >>? existence. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And just what is it about the larger world that you know so much about? Besides his mouth, it looks like his gut is pretty wide too... http://www.huntzinger.com/dive/strokes/terry_jammer.jpg > Besides his mouth, it looks like his gut is pretty wide too... We know you're new, p. Let us know when you're caught up. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > € Besides his mouth, it looks like his gut is pretty wide too... > > We know you're new, p. > > Let us know when you're caught up. Never.... 6'3" 195 lbs. No spare tire (or goodyear blimp) around this middle. > € You will find people that have problems with just about anything in > € existence. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just don't expect those of us with a larger world to agree. I guess you figured out how not to nail your foot to the roof using a nailgun then...... we are amused.... very > > > You will find people that have problems with just about anything in > > > existence. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > nailgun then...... > we are amused.... very That was fun. Have you figured out the answer, yet? Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > € > € You will find people that have problems with just about anything in > € > € existence. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Have you figured out the answer, yet? Yes, don't nail your foot to the roof with a nailgun. But I guess you already figured that out. There might be hope for you yet. > > Have you figured out the answer, yet? > > Yes, don't nail your foot to the roof with a nailgun. But I guess you > already figured that out. > There might be hope for you yet. whoosh... Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > € > Have you figured out the answer, yet? > € [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > whoosh... Yes, we know. It went right by you. > > > > Have you figured out the answer, yet? > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yes, we know. It went right by you. Yup, that's what we thought. Thanks for playing. Next case. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > € > € > Have you figured out the answer, yet? > € > € [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thanks for playing. Yes, thanks for being played. We were amused briefly. > >>No evidence of the DiveRite Transpac being dangerous other than a > >>dangerous diver using it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You will find people that have problems with just about anything in > existence. True but trite. Look at the people who have had problems with it. Look at the types of problems they've had. Look at the design. Do so without prejudice or predetermined conclusions. > I know of someone that dives it and loves it. Your conclusions are based on -one- person you know? I hope you're not serious. Drew > Your conclusions are based on -one- person you know? I hope you're > not serious. I dove one briefly..I was shwon the iight by divine intervention, AirHog Signature"I'm coming and hell's coming with me." > No evidence of the DiveRite Transpac being dangerous other than a > dangerous diver using it. It can be as "balanced" as anything else out > there. Stoke alert. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > € No evidence of the DiveRite Transpac being dangerous other than a > € dangerous diver using it. It can be as "balanced" as anything else out > € there. > > Stoke alert. Yes, Stroke here.... Jammer Six wrote: > > Stoke alert. > Yes, Stroke here.... Pay no attention to Jammer. He only knows one way to do anything and when his one way dosn't work, he takes it out on others. Ask him about his foot and the nailgun. Lee > Jammer Six wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > his one way dosn't work, he takes it out on others. Ask him about his foot > and the nailgun. Yes, I fondly remember the nailgun incident. It brought a lot of laughs for me until I saw this..... http://www.huntzinger.com/dive/strokes/terry_jammer.jpg then I realized how he could do it. > Pay no attention to Jammer. He only knows one way to > do anything and when his one way dosn't work, he takes > it out on others. Ask him about his foot and the nailgun. Well, most of us would just get boots with more slip resistant soles on them instead of nailing one's foot to the rafters to keep from slipping off of a roof... > Well, most of us would just get boots with more slip resistant soles on them > instead of nailing one's foot to the rafters to keep from slipping off of a > roof... Actually, most of you just hire one of us. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Actually, most of you just hire one of us. You're probably right on that, although I've had my share of experiences while up on the rafters building barns, sheds, and the like or when roofing houses (all in my younger days)... I remember one particulary funny one (at least now) where I was on top of a 2-story house carrying two bundles of shingles up the extension ladder... Just as I was stepping off of the ladder, the ladder buckled... I dropped the shingles and tried to grab ahold of something to keep from falling... Turns out that "something" was the rain gutter... Turns out that the metal rain gutters from the houses of that era were rather sharp... Once it had cut down to the bone in my left hand, I let go... Turns out that there was a large holly hedge along that wall of the house... Turns out that I landed head first through the holly and my head stopped about 6" from the ground... Turns out that I was rather stuck there in the holly stickers until someone responded to my calls for help... Turns out that they laughed their a.ses off upon seeing me upside down with my feet and legs sticking out of the top of the holly hedge... Once they quit laughing, they lifted me up by my feet and pulled me out of the hedge... Still got the scars on my left hand from that one... > € Well, most of us would just get boots with more slip resistant soles on them > € instead of nailing one's foot to the rafters to keep from slipping off of a > € roof... > > Actually, most of you just hire one of us. Nah, wouldn't want you nailed to my roof. You would scare the neighbor's children... > Yes, Stroke here.... We know. Signature"C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?" -Sergeant Major Dan Daly > > After you've become a better more comfortable diver, you may decide that you > > want to start changing your gear. Worry about it then. > > Change it for what? Like I said, you *may* want to start changing your gear. You may not. If you dive often enough, and hang around here long enough, you'll probably start looking at a backplate and wings. All I'm saying, is that for now, enjoy your new gear. There's nothing wrong with it. It will be fine, you will hopefully enjoy your new diving experiences and continue along becoming a much better and more experienced diver. As you become a more experienced diver, you may want to start replacing some of your gear. When and if that happens, you will already know what you want to replace and with what. "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> entertained us with: :You've purchased it and there's nothing terribly wrong with any of it. :Don't worry about these backplate boys. My words of 'wisdom' to you, are go :learn your equipment and how it functions. Spend a bunch of time in the :pool becoming familiar with it. Wear it around the house a little bit too. :Then go and dive. Don't ever exceed your training. Wear it around the house? Dan Bracuk As Big Ben said to the Leaning Tower of Pisa, I've got the time if you've got the inclination. The Best of Rec.Scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> entertained us with: > :You've purchased it and there's nothing terribly wrong with any of it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Wear it around the house? :^), the BC. Get used to the quick releases, etc. > Wear it around the house? When I first got my doubles I geared them up on my backplate and walked the equivilent of a block in them. Then I made sure I could swim them up from the bottom of aswimming pool. If I still had my motorcycle, I would have ridden around witht them on...Fins and all. Naked. AirHog Signature"Behold the pale horse and the man who sat on him was death and hell followed with him." > If I still had my motorcycle, I would have ridden around witht them > on...Fins and all. Naked. I believe I'd pay to see that. Not much, and you have to pick up your own bail, but that would definitely be worth money. Signature"C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?" -Sergeant Major Dan Daly > ? If I still had my motorcycle, I would have ridden around witht them > ? on...Fins and all. Naked. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not much, and you have to pick up your own bail, but that would > definitely be worth money. Well -- the lady in Washington is still trying to get us to move up there. So -- ya never know -- it *could* happen! (-: Just how much are you willing to pay? Kimber "Kimber" <kimber@tekdivegirl.com> entertained us with: :Well -- the lady in Washington is still trying to get us to move up there. What sort of obstacles is she encountering? Dan Bracuk As Big Ben said to the Leaning Tower of Pisa, I've got the time if you've got the inclination. The Best of Rec.Scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > What sort of obstacles is she encountering? It is all about the cash...and the logistics and the other offers for Kimber here...I am out of work, my center closed 10/1 and now people are throing themselves at Kimber with offer after offer. Kimber just received an email from one perspective employer asking if I would be itnerested in going into business with her husband starting a landscaping(big type -real-landscaping, not yard cutting) he is the Sheriff of the county...I am not sure about all of that.... AirHog Signature"Behold the pale horse and the man who sat on him was death and hell followed with him." "Airhog" <mick@youwishyouknew.net> entertained us with: :It is all about the cash...and the logistics and the other offers for Kimber :here...I am out of work, my center closed 10/1 and now people are throing :themselves at Kimber with offer after offer. Could be worse. Could be out of work with no offers. Dan Bracuk As Big Ben said to the Leaning Tower of Pisa, I've got the time if you've got the inclination. The Best of Rec.Scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/ > Could be worse. Could be out of work with no offers. Yeah--but with my skill set versus hers-- salary ranges, pay scales, etc...my work pays over twice what hers does..... ie, we could live on my normal salary... AirHog Signature"I'm coming and hell's coming with me." > Yeah--but with my skill set versus hers-- salary ranges, pay scales, > etc...my work pays over twice what hers does..... > > ie, we could live on my normal salary... Man, did you f.ck that analysis up. Hog, pay attention. If she has a job, and you don't, it doesn't matter how much you're not making. Just when you think he's going to get somewhere, you see him racing down the street on a motorcycle, wearing nothing but his doubles and fins, screaming about his Old Lady's job offers, with three county cars and a state trooper in hot pursuit... [shudder] Now I'm going to have that lovely image in my mind all night. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Man, did you f.ck that analysis up. > Hog, pay attention. > If she has a job, and you don't, it doesn't matter how much you're not > making. Yeah it does--I still have responsibilities--Hog Jr. and my pride. > Just when you think he's going to get somewhere, you see him racing > down the street on a motorcycle, wearing nothing but his doubles and > fins, screaming about his Old Lady's job offers, with three county cars > and a state trooper in hot pursuit... > > [shudder] $d00d I could have half of Bill Gates money and still make that run...just for the hell of it--and I am one hundred percent alcohol and illict drug free...I am just high on life. > Now I'm going to have that lovely image in my mind all night. It could be worse--have you seen the image of Popeye fishing on the beach? AirHog Signature"I'm coming and hell's coming with me." > ... high on life ... The Eschalot warns that one may get you in trouble, too! http://www.TheEschalot.com/investigated-high-on-life.html ;-) "Dan Bracuk" <bracuk@pathcom.com> wrote in message > :Well -- the lady in Washington is still trying to get us to move up there. > > What sort of obstacles is she encountering? The biggest has to do with finances and logistics. It isn't cheap moving across the country with a family. Kimber > The biggest has to do with finances and logistics. It isn't cheap moving > across the country with a family. Great. Leave the family behind. Signature"Let's roll!" -Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? The biggest has to do with finances and logistics. It isn't cheap moving > ? across the country with a family. > > Great. > > Leave the family behind. If the job was offered to Hog, he would probably grab it and run just to get closer to you. I am surprised he hasn't begged for an autographed life size pic for above our bed. Kimber > If the job was offered to Hog, he would probably grab it and run just to get > closer to you. I am surprised he hasn't begged for an autographed life size > pic for above our bed. Gods like to be worshiped. Keep it clean, though. We're not catholic. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? If the job was offered to Hog, he would probably grab it and run just to get > ? closer to you. I am surprised he hasn't begged for an autographed life size > ? pic for above our bed. I do have my new desk top pic of HRH firing weapons.that I replaced Popeye;s are a.s shot of his a.s with,,,, > Gods like to be worshiped. > > Keep it clean, though. We're not catholic. > ? If the job was offered to Hog, he would probably grab it and run just to get > ? closer to you. I am surprised he hasn't begged for an autographed life size > ? pic for above our bed. > > Gods like to be worshiped. > > Keep it clean, though. We're not catholic. Heh.. Kimber > Great. > > Leave the family behind. Me or the ankle biters AirHog Signature"I'm coming and hell's coming with me." ankle biters? > ? The biggest has to do with finances and logistics. It isn't cheap moving > ? across the country with a family. > > Great. > > Leave the family behind. I couldn't do that. I love my Hog and my kids! The latest news is the lady is talking about driving here with the horse trailers (empty and cleaned out of course) to bring us and our stuff to WA. Kimber > Just how much are you willing to pay? Have you got change for a buck? Otherwise, I have to root around in my change can, and I think I already picked all the quarters and dimes out of it, so you'd have to take nickels. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Otherwise, I have to root around in my change can, and I think I > already picked all the quarters and dimes out of it, so you'd have to > take nickels. I quit turning nickel tricks when Spencers mother quit blowing sailors for whiskey sours..... AirHog Signature"I'm coming and hell's coming with me." > > Otherwise, I have to root around in my change can, and I think I > > already picked all the quarters and dimes out of it, so you'd have to > > take nickels. > > I quit turning nickel tricks when Spencers mother quit blowing sailors for > whiskey sours..... Oh, I'll give more than a nickel. I'll give a few nickels. I'll give dimes if we get good footage of it. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Oh, I'll give more than a nickel. I'll give a few nickels. > > I'll give dimes if we get good footage of it. Your are going to receive a jpeg one day you really do not want to see.... AirHog -- Popcorn, somebody make the popcorn... Don't be too sure, do you really know how perverted jammie is? might even like the pic... lol rhys > > Oh, I'll give more than a nickel. I'll give a few nickels. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Popcorn, somebody make the popcorn... > ? Just how much are you willing to pay? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > already picked all the quarters and dimes out of it, so you'd have to > take nickels. Damn -- that isn't going to go very far in the "get to Washington" fund. At that rate we are never going to make it there.... or is that your plan all along? Kimber > Damn -- that isn't going to go very far in the "get to Washington" fund. > At that rate we are never going to make it there.... or is that your plan > all along? Just wait--when we do I will bring the TOTDB a dozen roses and him a new shoe, where his other one has a hole in it. AirHog > Just wait--when we do I will bring the TOTDB a dozen roses and him a new > shoe, where his other one has a hole in it. No wonder you're unemployed. No one wears shoes on my sites. Signature"Let's roll!" -Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > No wonder you're unemployed. > > No one wears shoes on my sites. Dammit--I knew you would do this...Alright...boots dammit. er...Boot. I am looking for gainful employment...right now Kimber is feeding me. Lady in Bellingham is wanting us badly to come up and work, even offered to come pick us up and drive us and our belongings...I told her we could stay at your place. Kimber snores. I cuddle. AirHog > I am looking for gainful employment...right now Kimber is feeding me. And what, you think I'd be interested in hiring a psychotic bitch with fin, tank and motorcycle issues? > Lady in Bellingham is wanting us badly to come up and work, even offered to > come pick us up and drive us and our belongings...I told her we could stay > at your place. Kimber snores. I cuddle. Why don't you just go ahead and tell her I'll pick up your salary, too? Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > And what, you think I'd be interested in hiring a psychotic bitch with > fin, tank and motorcycle issues? They are not "issues" they are fetishes.... > Why don't you just go ahead and tell her I'll pick up your salary, too? Nah I work for sex too..... AirHog > > Why don't you just go ahead and tell her I'll pick up your salary, too? > > Nah I work for sex too..... Well, don't tell her that. Tell her I'll get your salary, but don't f.cking tell her I'll sleep with your silly a.s. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Well, don't tell her that. Tell her I'll get your salary, but don't > f.cking tell her I'll sleep with your silly a.s. Did I mention I can lick my eyebrows? AirHog Signature"there's the wolf pack and the sled dogs, and you have a God given right to have your nose up under a tail for as long as you want." > Did I mention I can lick my eyebrows? |
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