I apologize in advance if this is the wrong group for this question...
i will be snorkeling in vieques, puerto rico soon (tomorrow, actually)
and figured i would buy a mask and snorkel instead of renting crappy
equipment down there, as i have done in the past. selection in
chicago being less then stellar, i bought an aqualung "seal" mask
today. i was very impressed with its polarized lenses and the vast
peripheral vision the mask allows. it's comfortable, fits well, etc.
once i got it home, though, i realized that it does not cover the
nose.
any opinions on whether this should be a problem? i will be
snorkeling in mainly shallow waters, mostly from the surface, maybe
diving a few feet down every once in a while.
any advice would be greatly appreciated! thanks.
Michael 182 - 10 Mar 2004 20:01 GMT
> ... the mask allows. it's comfortable, fits well, etc.
> once i got it home, though, i realized that it does not cover the
> nose.
If you don't like the smell of fish you should buy a mask that covers your
nose.
Yes, you want a mask that covers your nose. You'll need it to clear the mask
without taking it off (easier to do than constantly raising your head out of
the water) and to avoid the impulse to inhale through your nose.
Michael
Salty - 12 Mar 2004 13:14 GMT
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> Yes, you want a mask that covers your nose.
Why ??
> You'll need it to clear the mask
> without taking it off (easier to do than constantly raising your head out of
> the water)
Who has to clear a mask that much when snorkeling ??
> and to avoid the impulse to inhale through your nose.
If you are that afraid of the impulse to inhale thru your nose, then I
suggest that you go diving without a mask. You need to learn to not
fear the sensation of water up your nose and in your face while you
are scuba diving.
Steve - 12 Mar 2004 15:17 GMT
> Who has to clear a mask that much when snorkeling ??
Anybody who wants to snorkel for more than a few minutes at a time and has a mask
that doesn't seal perfectly. It's a safe bet that somebody who buys goggles instead
of a mask isn't already an experienced snorkeler, and that somebody who goes
snorkeling with bad equipment is less likely to have a really good time than somebody
who uses good equipment. If you're going to spend the money to go on a good vacation
and buy snorkeling gear you might as well spend the few bucks to trade up to a real mask.

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Michael 182 - 12 Mar 2004 15:19 GMT
> If you are that afraid of the impulse to inhale thru your nose, then I
> suggest that you go diving without a mask. You need to learn to not
> fear the sensation of water up your nose and in your face while you
> are scuba diving.
Hey Freud, thanks for the analysis of my fears. I use a checklist when I fly
my plane to make sure I don't overlook some detail like water in the fuel.
Maybe I should just wing it to get over those silly fears, huh?
The response was to a woman who had obviously not spent much time in the
water, that's why she bought goggles instead of a mask in the first place.
Limey Dave - 12 Mar 2004 16:10 GMT
> > If you are that afraid of the impulse to inhale thru your nose, then I
> > suggest that you go diving without a mask. You need to learn to not
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> my plane to make sure I don't overlook some detail like water in the fuel.
> Maybe I should just wing it to get over those silly fears, huh?
You have a 182?
Dave.
Michael 182 - 12 Mar 2004 16:15 GMT
'79 TR182, based in Longmont, CO - 2V2.
Michael
> > > If you are that afraid of the impulse to inhale thru your nose, then I
> > > suggest that you go diving without a mask. You need to learn to not
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> Dave.
Al Wells - 10 Mar 2004 20:04 GMT
> it's comfortable, fits well, etc.
> once i got it home, though, i realized that it does not cover the
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> snorkeling in mainly shallow waters, mostly from the surface, maybe
> diving a few feet down every once in a while.
If you're going to dive down a few feet, your mask needs to cover your
nose so you can equalize the pressure inside your mask with the outside
pressure. It only takes a little bit of depth to affect a squeeze.
If you are a "nose breather", you may also find it difficult to breathe
through your mouth without sucking water into your nose.
Salty - 12 Mar 2004 13:15 GMT
> > it's comfortable, fits well, etc.
> > once i got it home, though, i realized that it does not cover the
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> If you are a "nose breather", you may also find it difficult to breathe
> through your mouth without sucking water into your nose.
Oh Ciero, not you too.
Al Wells - 12 Mar 2004 13:52 GMT
> > If you are a "nose breather", you may also find it difficult to breathe
> > through your mouth without sucking water into your nose.
>
> Oh Ciero, not you too.
This is one of the issues that scuba instructors deal with. Most of the
time the student can get past it. A doctor whom I respect told me that
it's a reflex that goes back to the womb. My observation is that 5-10%
of the students initially have a problem with this, and all but a very
few get past it (some give up without trying very hard).
The primary reason for my recommendation is to be able to equalize the
mask. That pretty coral that looks so close isn't, or oops, I dropped my
disposable camera in 10 ft of water.
bullshark - 10 Mar 2004 21:30 GMT
>any advice would be greatly appreciated! thanks.
Yes. Nose need be covered.
Salesperson need be shot (in case you wonder).
yer welcome.
bullshark
Jon C - 10 Mar 2004 21:32 GMT
If you go down more than a couple of feet, your eyes and face will hurt
quite a bit because of squeeze.
You need the nose portion.
> I apologize in advance if this is the wrong group for this question...
>
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> any advice would be greatly appreciated! thanks.
Adam Helberg - 10 Mar 2004 22:33 GMT
> I apologize in advance if this is the wrong group for this question...
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>
> any advice would be greatly appreciated! thanks.
If it does not cover your nose it's not a diving mask but a swimming goggle. You need the
mask to access your nose so you equalize pressure to prevent eye "squeeze".
Adam
Lee Bell - 11 Mar 2004 00:59 GMT
> I apologize in advance if this is the wrong group for this question...
>
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>
> any advice would be greatly appreciated! thanks.
Snorkeling is a lot easier for must people if the nose is blocked.
Otherwise, you tend to get water up you nose, unpleasant as best, dangerous
at worst. Divers have further considerations. They need to be able to
equalize pressure within the mask to prevent eye squeeze and they need to be
able to purge water from the mask while still submerged, something that
requires the nose to be inside the mask.
If you're not going to free dive more than a very few feet, the goggles,
which is what you have, will be OK if you find a way to close your nose.
You could use a clothes pin, do they make them any more?, or you could buy a
swimmer's nose clip, the kind that competitive swimmers often use.
Lee
Salty - 12 Mar 2004 13:09 GMT
> > I apologize in advance if this is the wrong group for this question...
> >
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>
> Lee
Aww Lee... come on now. Don't tell me that you can't put a reg in your
mouth and dive in without a mask and not have a problem breathing thru
your reg. You can right ??
Well, a swimmer should be able to do the same with a snorkel and
goggles... at least I could though I still never managed to win any of
the swim trials that I was in at school. <grin> But, a clothes pin on
the nose ?? Eeeeck !!
Matthias Voss - 12 Mar 2004 13:29 GMT
Salty schrieb:
> Aww Lee... come on now. Don't tell me that you can't put a reg in your
> mouth and dive in without a mask and not have a problem breathing thru
> your reg. You can right ??
Would he do when when having the choice ;-O?
> Well, a swimmer should be able to do the same with a snorkel and
> goggles..
A competition swimmer who can do salto turns.
. at least I could though I still never managed to win any of
> the swim trials that I was in at school. <grin> But, a clothes pin on
> the nose ?? Eeeeck !!
Put it elsewhere.
Matthias
Kevin Falconer - 12 Mar 2004 04:23 GMT
kristen_lehner@yahoo.com (Kristen) wrote in message
> i will be snorkeling in vieques, puerto rico soon (tomorrow, actually)
> and figured i would buy a mask and snorkel instead of renting crappy
> equipment down there, as i have done in the past. selection in
mask that does not cover the nose, i've got some property down here in
florida you might be interested in ! kristin, i'm originally from the
nw burbs of chicago, hoffman estates area, come on down this way your
mask will get much more use !
Kevin Falconer Fort Myers, FL
Salty - 12 Mar 2004 12:56 GMT
> I apologize in advance if this is the wrong group for this question...
> i will be snorkeling in vieques, puerto rico soon (tomorrow, actually)
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> diving a few feet down every once in a while.
> any advice would be greatly appreciated! thanks.
The manufacturers ad for the mask says it all....
http://www.aquasphereusa.com/products/seal_clear.html
The mask is very nice...for a swimmer and probably for someone who
intends to snorkel a little bit. So, it depends on what you wish to
do. If you only want to dive down "a few feet", as you have said here
in your post...and I assume that means 2 ft to maybe 5 ft, then I
would bet that you're ok to go with this mask. If you have learned to
swim with goggles, then this mask is going to be most comfortable for
you. If you are fine with swimming and not needing a nose-pinch, then
you should also be fine with this mask. You just need to learn how to
use the snorkle... and that actually sounds like your biggest
obstacle. Breathing thru a snorkle ... with or without any kind of
mask... is a skill that is easily achieved. Practice in a pool if ya
need to before your trip. It's not that difficult. I think you
should be fine. Have a nice trip !! :)
Matthias Voss - 12 Mar 2004 13:27 GMT
Salty schrieb:
> The manufacturers ad for the mask says it all....
>
> http://www.aquasphereusa.com/products/seal_clear.html
>
> The mask is very nice...for a swimmer and probably for someone who
> intends to snorkel a little bit.
But nonsense if you want to dive, and only for someone who has
mastership of the water-nose-reflex.
Still, the aquaspere comes with a nose cover too, as a diving mask.
Excellent fit, though a bit soft framed. And the costliest 3 sq. inches
of silicone I know of.
Matthias
David Gintz \(formerly newdiver2@aol.com\) - 12 Mar 2004 23:01 GMT
> And the costliest 3 sq. inches of silicone I know of.
Oh Boy! Is this looking for an answer!!!
Matthias Voss - 13 Mar 2004 07:50 GMT
"David Gintz (formerly newdiver2@aol.com)" schrieb:
> > And the costliest 3 sq. inches of silicone I know of.
>
> Oh Boy! Is this looking for an answer!!!
Mind you... square, not cubic.
Matthias