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Scuba Forum / General / March 2004Gave up on snorkel
Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after diving with and without snorkel I stopped taking the thing down with me on boat dives. There is less tangling and I can easily swim on my back. I recall some time ago I argued vociferously on this group in favor of snorkel, but now have changed my mind, at least for boat dives. Adam >Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after >diving with and without snorkel I stopped taking the thing down with >me on boat dives. There is less tangling and I can easily swim on my back. > >I recall some time ago I argued vociferously on this group in favor of >snorkel, but now have changed my mind, at least for boat dives. You aren't the only person to have made the same change for the same reasons. I guess the PADI Open Water book is another "Bible" that is wrong. <grin> But it is hard to give up what you once accepted as "_THE_ truth".  SignatureCharlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. > You aren't the only person to have made the same change for the > same reasons. > > I guess the PADI Open Water book is another "Bible" that is wrong. <grin> > But it is hard to give up what you once accepted as "_THE_ truth". Gee was my first dive out of OW class where I ditched mine. Curtis > > You aren't the only person to have made the same change for the > > same reasons. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Curtis I "forgot" my snorkel when I did my check out dives. I talked to my instructor and he said it happens and it's not worth the trouble to go back for it... incidentally, he "forgot" his too... >>Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after >>diving with and without snorkel I stopped taking the thing down with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I guess the PADI Open Water book is another "Bible" that is wrong. <grin> > But it is hard to give up what you once accepted as "_THE_ truth". Well, I wouldn't go so far as to agree flat out, there are times when taking a snorkel still makes sense. Truthfully, mine lives most of it's life in the bag, too. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273 "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of what we know." -- Richard Wilbur >>>Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after >>>diving with and without snorkel I stopped taking the thing down with [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Well, I wouldn't go so far as to agree flat out, there are times when >taking a snorkel still makes sense. Sure. For snorkeling. Truthfully, mine lives most of it's >life in the bag, too. > Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after diving with and > without snorkel I stopped taking the thing down with me on boat dives. There is less [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Adam Could not agree with you more. I cannot remember the last time I used the damned thing. Its in my 'other bag', along with my Zeagle Ranger and the non-split fins and a lot of other stuff I do not use anymore. I should sell off all that stuff. > > Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after > diving with and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > bag', along with my Zeagle Ranger and the non-split fins and a lot of other > stuff I do not use anymore. I should sell off all that stuff. What size is the Ranger? I may know someone whose interested... Good for you. I only use when teaching as it is mandated for most classes. I have yet to need it on the surface as I will just use tank air at the end of the dive or as you said float on my back. Signature------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott F. Migaldi, K9PO MI-150972 PP-ASEL-IA Are you a PADI Instructor or DM? Then join the PADI Instructor Yahoo Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PADI-Instructors/join ----------------------------------- Catch the wave! www.hamwave.com **"A long time ago being crazy meant something, nowadays everyone is crazy" -- Charles Manson** ------------------------------------- > Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after diving with and > without snorkel I stopped taking the thing down with me on boat dives. There is less [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Adam > Good for you. I only use when teaching as it is mandated for most classes. No, it's not. It's only mandated for most PADI classes. The world is a big place once you break out of protected waters. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after diving with and > without snorkel I stopped taking the thing down with me on boat dives. There is less > tangling and I can easily swim on my back. > > I recall some time ago I argued vociferously on this group in favor of snorkel, but now > have changed my mind, at least for boat dives. The same thing applies to dive destinations. We know only what we know. Cozumel aint bad, but just wait, "mouthbreather" _(:)0 Just wait till you try compressed air. That ought to be one hell of a post. doc. Wow guys, I didn't know you couldn't handle your own tube. Maybe God just made a few of us more capable than others. My tube is a full 12 inches, and is always with me and ready for action. You're grown men, and it weighs about 6oz. It's not that big of a deal. Plus, I doubt it's really an entanglement hazard for OPEN WATER. However, if you've ever been left by a boat (happens at least once a year to someone in the diving community), or get caught down current, you'll be real happy you have it. I challenge all of you to swim 800 yards on the surface without your snorkel. You'll be exhausted, and when was the last time you were diving only 800 yards off shore. You can't count on the air in your cylinder to always be there. This nonsense about a snorkel being only a PADI thing... I teach for 3 agencies, and I have friends in that UK diving club all require a snorkel. Who doesn't require a snorkel? It seems silly to think of a snorkel like this, but it is a piece of life saving gear. If it's SOOO bad, and is SOOO stressful, get a folding one you can throw into a pocket. > Maybe God just made a few of us more capable than others. Yes, we did. > My tube is a full 12 inches, and is always with me and ready for > action. You live on Castro Street? Signature"I know we're going to die. There's three of us who are going to do something about it." -Tom Burnett, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 Once again... I agree with this guy. I take my snorkel on about 50% of the dives I do. Personally, I prefer to dive without it just because "it's one more thing hanging off me..." It's a judgment call. I judge based on whether I'd want to find myself alone, in existent open water conditions, considering current, waves, wind, weather, distance from shore, etc. without one. If you're so manly that the unexpected can never happen to you, ...well than ... Why didn't you wear steel toed boots that day you shot yourself in the foot? LOL > I agree with this guy. I take my snorkel on about 50% of the dives I do. When we see snorkels, we know we're looking at someone who will never dive with us. > If you're so manly that the unexpected can never happen to you, ...well than > ... Why didn't you wear steel toed boots that day you shot yourself in the > foot? Didn't need them, of course. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > When we see snorkels, we know we're looking at someone who will > never dive with us. Unless You're standing in their garage or basement, handing them a hammer, right? SignatureDavid Scarlett dscarlett@_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ optusnet.com.au > > When we see snorkels, we know we're looking at someone who will > > never dive with us. > > Unless You're standing in their garage or basement, handing them a > hammer, right? Right. Come to think of it, there's one in our basement, too. I guess we do see snorkels occasionally. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > When we see snorkels, we know we're looking at someone who will never > dive with us. Because you don't do any serious diving? > I challenge all of you to swim 800 yards on the surface without your > snorkel. When and where? I've already done it once, upcurrent, in 2-3ft chop. Came up under the wrong boat and had to fin it back to the right one. The Captain said the two moorings were almost exactly one half mile apart. This is not a problem. Inflate the BC, flip over on your back and start kicking. Set a pace that you can maintain. Enjoy the beautiful blue skies overhead. Occasionally check to make sure you're still going in the right direction. I don't know about you and your fins, but mine work one hell of a lot better when I'm on my back. If I was to try to seriously get somwhere on my belly, all I'd do is scare off any nearby dolphins. > You'll be exhausted, and when was the last time you were diving only > 800 yards off shore. Well, recently, pretty darned often. Though I think I understand your point: People need to be aerobically fit to dive, right? > You can't count on the air in your cylinder to always be there. This is why my BC has an oral inflator as well as the power inflator. Once I'm at the surface, my tank can be completely empty, and I'm in good shape. No matter how far away the boat/shore is. I used to be amazed at how many vacation divers forget that they can fill their BC orally. Then I reduced the amount of diving I did with vacation divers and that problem went away :) [...snip...] > Who doesn't require a snorkel? Ooh! Ooh! Me! Me! I used to use mine for snorkeling. Then I lost it (okay, I left it on a boat and they "couldn't find it") so I stopped snorkeling. > If it's SOOO bad, and is SOOO stressful, get a folding one you can > throw into a pocket. *ahem* I got rid of the pockets too. There's not much left on the front of my BC. A few nylon straps, a little knife and D-ring on the left, a buckle on the right. I will give you one point. In my only actual "tight spot" so far, I do think that things would have been a little easier if I had had a snorkel. Facing forward on a line, waiting for other divers to succeed at getting through increasing chop and on the boat with less than 100psi in my tank, I would have preferred a snorkel to sipping from my nearly empty tank. But that's the only time I can think of that one might have helped, and I didn't *need* it: it might have helped. Regards, Ross -- Ross Bagley http://rossbagley.com/rba "Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature... Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller > Wow guys, I didn't know you couldn't handle your own tube. Maybe God > just made a few of us more capable than others. My tube is a full 12 > inches, and is always with me and ready for action. Not interested, at all. > You're grown men, and it weighs about 6oz. It's not that big of a > deal. Plus, I doubt it's really an entanglement hazard for OPEN > WATER. Kelp? Fishing line? There are entanglement hazards even in open water. > However, if you've ever been left by a boat (happens at least once a > year to someone in the diving community), or get caught down current, > you'll be real happy you have it. > I challenge all of you to swim 800 yards on the surface without your > snorkel. You'll be exhausted, and when was the last time you were > diving only 800 yards off shore. You can't count on the air in your > cylinder to always be there. Hmm..guess you should try gettinga new first stage if you're having reliability problems. > This nonsense about a snorkel being only a PADI thing... I teach for 3 > agencies, and I have friends in that UK diving club. all require a > snorkel. Who doesn't require a snorkel? It seems silly to think of a > snorkel like this, but it is a piece of life saving gear. Who doesn't? GUE. I'll mention the WKPP too. They do some non-cave diving. > If it's SOOO bad, and is SOOO stressful, get a folding one you can > throw into a pocket. Dennis Dennis (Icarus) wrote: >>This nonsense about a snorkel being only a PADI thing... I teach for 3 >>agencies, and I have friends in that UK diving club. all require a >>snorkel. Who doesn't require a snorkel? It seems silly to think of a >>snorkel like this, but it is a piece of life saving gear. > Who doesn't? GUE. I'll mention the WKPP too. They do some non-cave diving. Gue, what is that. WKPP, wasn't that a tv show with a well endowed blonde? #Dennis (Icarus) wrote: # # #>>This nonsense about a snorkel being only a PADI thing... I teach for 3 #>>agencies, and I have friends in that UK diving club. all require a #>>snorkel. Who doesn't require a snorkel? It seems silly to think of a #>>snorkel like this, but it is a piece of life saving gear. # #> Who doesn't? GUE. I'll mention the WKPP too. They do some non-cave diving. # #Gue, what is that. An agency as fixated on a gospel of diving practice as you are on witnessing. > #Dennis (Icarus) wrote: > # [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > An agency as fixated on a gospel of diving practice as you are on > witnessing. Let's see. All I did was reply to a post that was not initiated by me. A choice on my part. You made the choice to reply. I 'spoke' my mind just as others and yourself. Witnessing? Then I guess everyone was, including you. > Dennis (Icarus) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Gue, what is that. WKPP, wasn't that a tv show with a well endowed blonde? No, http://www.wkpp.org :-) Though they both have well-endowed blondes. http://www.pina3.net/photos.htm Dennis >> Dennis (Icarus) wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Dennis Bless you Dennis, for that web site. Rick Simms "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." --Philip K. Dick "Rick Simms (Rick Simms)" <rick_simms@sharks.eat.spammers.bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:4048cebe.1440250@newsgroups.bellsouth.net... > >Though they both have well-endowed blondes. > > http://www.pina3.net/photos.htm > > > >Dennis > > Bless you Dennis, for that web site. George is looking pretty good for his age. http://www.pina3.net/family_and_friends/daddy.htm .. >However, if you've ever been left by a boat (happens at least once a >year to someone in the diving community), or get caught down current, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >diving only 800 yards off shore. You can't count on the air in your >cylinder to always be there. If I had to swim 800 yards on the surface, with SCUBA gear, I would do it on my back, not using a snorkel, even if I had one. Depending on coditions (mine and the water) I might or might not be exhausted, but I'd be much less tired than If I'd used a snorkel. This is based on my personal experience swiming on the surface with SCUBA gear, with and withoug a snorkel. SignatureCharlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. > Wow guys, I didn't know you couldn't handle your own tube. Maybe God > just made a few of us more capable than others. My tube is a full 12 > inches, and is always with me and ready for action. Told you it was a sex toy.....still, WAY too much info. > You're grown men, and it weighs about 6oz. It's not that big of a > deal. Plus, I doubt it's really an entanglement hazard for OPEN > WATER. It is drag, especially if you paid over $10 for it......you sell the ones with a cylume slot & dry valve? > However, if you've ever been left by a boat (happens at least once a > year to someone in the diving community), or get caught down current, > you'll be real happy you have it. What's a boat? > I challenge all of you to swim 800 yards on the surface without your > snorkel. You'll be exhausted, and when was the last time you were > diving only 800 yards off shore. You can't count on the air in your > cylinder to always be there. Wanna put a chunk of money on that, and, to make it interesting, in doubles? <SEG> Inflate wings, swim on back, QED. Curtis > Wow guys, I didn't know you couldn't handle your own tube. Maybe God > just made a few of us more capable than others. My tube is a full 12 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > year to someone in the diving community), or get caught down current, > you'll be real happy you have it. You obviously never have either > I challenge all of you to swim 800 yards on the surface without your > snorkel. You'll be exhausted, and when was the last time you were > diving only 800 yards off shore. You can't count on the air in your > cylinder to always be there. and you obviously never have tried breathing through a snorkel while swimming 800 yds either. > This nonsense about a snorkel being only a PADI thing... I teach for 3 > agencies, and I have friends in that UK diving club… all require a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If it's SOOO bad, and is SOOO stressful, get a folding one you can > throw into a pocket. Signature"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" In article <Q4N1c.146649$hR.2738571@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > > Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after > diving with and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > doc. You might want to keep one on the boat for when no one wants to lend you theirs because they are all jumpin nto the water to look at the whale shark. Signature--Chandler -- > Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after diving with and > without snorkel I stopped taking the thing down with me on boat dives. There is less > tangling and I can easily swim on my back. > > I recall some time ago I argued vociferously on this group in favor of snorkel, but now > have changed my mind, at least for boat dives. Good. Now go and review your postings about flying after diving. Because you are wrong there as well. Brian Edmonton, Alberta > > Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after diving with and > > without snorkel I stopped taking the thing down with me on boat dives. There is less [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Brian > Edmonton, Alberta Can you be specific about what I wrote was wrong? Adam "Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:UD12c.22683 > Can you be specific about what I wrote was wrong? > > Adam Adam After a pause, I saw humor in your question. Maybe because you started by saying you were wrong about the snorkel. What did you say was wrong with the snorkel? Rocky > What did you say was wrong with the snorkel? Is this a joke? Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > "Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:UD12c.22683 > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the snorkel? > Rocky No humor intended. Problem with snorkel is it tends to tangle in hoses and drag, especially in currents like you find in Cozumel. With regards to flying after diving I only wrote two different statements: 1. low altitude flying after diving is similar to altitude diving 2. standard 12-24 hr wait prior to airline flying after diving. So I ask Brian which of these is wrong? Adam > With regards to flying after diving I only wrote two different statements: 1. low altitude > flying after diving is similar to altitude diving > 2. standard 12-24 hr wait prior to airline flying after diving. So I ask Brian which of > these is wrong? Both Brian Edmonton, Alberta > > With regards to flying after diving I only wrote two different > > statements: 1. low altitude flying after diving is similar to > > altitude diving 2. standard 12-24 hr wait prior to airline flying > > after diving. So I ask Brian which of these is wrong? > > Both. Brian, we're so proud of you. You've come such a long way in such a short time. Signature"I know we're going to die. There's three of us who are going to do something about it." -Tom Burnett, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > Brian, we're so proud of you. > > You've come such a long way in such a short time. Thank you Brian Edmonton, Alberta > > With regards to flying after diving I only wrote two different statements: 1. low altitude > > flying after diving is similar to altitude diving [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Brian > Edmonton, Alberta The second statement above is based on current recommendation from authorities such as DAN. If you have info that disputes DAN recommendations provide it. see: http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/medical/faq/faq.asp?faqid=54 The first statement is simple logic. In altitude diving you end the dive as some altitude above sea level, and the same holds for flying to that altitude. The only difference is there will be a time gap in flying from sea level to altitude which may provide a margin of safety if you follow altitude diving computer or tables. Adam > The second statement above is based on current recommendation from > authorities such as > DAN. Quoting DAN proves that you don't have a clue, stroke. It makes you look bad, as well as inexperienced. > If you have info that disputes DAN recommendations provide it. Why on earth would he do that? You're confused about how this works. We have the knowledge, and you want it. So learn how to learn, or have a seat and shut the f.ck up. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > The second statement above is based on current recommendation from authorities such as > DAN. If you have info that disputes DAN recommendations provide it. > > see: > http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/medical/faq/faq.asp?faqid=54 Quoting from DAN? What's next, are you going to whip out the PADI manual and quote from that too? You're bringing knives to a gun fight son. Brian Edmonton, Alberta > Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after diving with and > without snorkel I stopped taking the thing down with me on boat dives. There is less [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Adam Hi, I compromised, I bought an Apollo bendable snorkel and keep it tucked inside my BC pocket. That way if I DO get in a situation, like a long surface swim back to the boat (which I've done) or other situation where it's just not optimal to breath out of the reg, I just 'snap' it onto my mask and I'm good to go (I don't wear a snorkel on my mask since I have a narrow face and have yet to find a mask that doesn't leak under pressure on me when the snorkel is attached). Anyway, this gives me the opportunity not to be encumbered with leaks but still provides the safety factor if I need it. r > > Just got back from diving in Cozumel, and just want to say that after > diving with and I replaced my $32 snorkel with an Inspiration. No water comes in and you get TRIPLE the oxygen for surface swimming! > I replaced my $32 snorkel with an Inspiration. No water comes in and you > get TRIPLE the oxygen for surface swimming! Stroke alert. Signature"We're going to rush the hijackers." -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001 > ? I replaced my $32 snorkel with an Inspiration. No water comes in and you > ? get TRIPLE the oxygen for surface swimming! > > Stroke alert. Where and when, where and when? |
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