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OK, I'll start a long thread, lets talk best semi-dry, or spend $$ for dry

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Saul Good - 20 Jul 2004 15:28 GMT
I've been trying out some of the local quarry action this summer, and I went
off and left my 3mil at the quarry last weekend. I am always amazed at my
ability to be a total idiot at times. But I digress.

I'm looking at replacing it with the Mares Isotherm semi-dry. Right now in
the dog days of summer I'm looking at temps in the 50's at the deepest
depths, but mainly in the upper 60's to lower 70's. I normally have a high
tolorance for cold once I "get used to it" such as in a pool. But in that
3mil when it got down to the lower 60's I usually never "got used to it" and
I'd treat that sunken car or boat like a red hot nail. It just didn't take
me all that long to look at it.

I would like to extend the season this year, so I will be diving in
shallower thermalclines and slightly colder water temps before we know it.
But I don't plan on anything radical and I just can't justify the massive
expense and hassel of a dry suit. So what does everyone think of the Mares
Isotherm? Thought I would check here first since you guys saved me from
making the mistake of buying a HUD when I replaced my BC earlier this year.
I went for the TransPac and I love it!
Jon C - 20 Jul 2004 17:03 GMT
> I've been trying out some of the local quarry action this summer, and I went
> off and left my 3mil at the quarry last weekend. I am always amazed at my
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> making the mistake of buying a HUD when I replaced my BC earlier this year.
> I went for the TransPac and I love it!

Get the drysuit.  You can pick up a nice new suit for under $1000 as long as
you stay away from the LDS.  Bare makes some halfway decent suits and you
can usually find even their top of the line suits for under $1000.

Then tell your buddies how great it is and get them to buy drysuits too....
unless they already do, then you need to get one ASAP ;)

Jon
RayC - 20 Jul 2004 19:07 GMT
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> Get the drysuit.  You can pick up a nice new suit for under $1000 as
> long as you stay away from the LDS.  <SNIP>

You don't have to stay away from the LDS to pick up a good
suit for less than $1000.  The OS Systems Dolphin is $879
suggested retail!  I don't know many dive shops, at least
around here, that sell for full markup.

Just my biased $.02

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Jon C - 20 Jul 2004 20:06 GMT
> <SNIP>
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> Just my biased $.02

And for $100 less you can easily buy a very similar White's complete with
undersuit and boots.

But good point, there are lots of suits that retail under $1000.
Saul Good - 20 Jul 2004 20:41 GMT
Yea I was afraid of this....and points well taken. Just when I was set on
the semi-dry. And you're right my serious diver friends (the ones in the IDC
and have been through Tech training) all have dry. None of my non-serious
diver friends (the one's with the curves in their wetsuits included in that
group) use dry. Problem is, we have only 1 local dive shop and it is full
markup end of discussion.

If I go internet and he sees me diving in it, then I get to wait around the
shop a little longer for air fills, (which of course have to be done by the
help who are busy doing other things) because the owner is to busy giving me
dirty looks. And the books for my specialty classes seem to take a couple
extra weeks to come in. I danced this dance earlier this summer when I
didn't buy my TransPac from him. But that's a whole thread in itself I'd
rather not start. This guy is in need of some serious competition. Not to
put him out of business, but to motivate him to get his act together.

> > <SNIP>
> >
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> But good point, there are lots of suits that retail under $1000.
Alan Street - 20 Jul 2004 22:25 GMT
> Yea I was afraid of this....and points well taken. Just when I was set on
> the semi-dry. And you're right my serious diver friends (the ones in the IDC
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> rather not start. This guy is in need of some serious competition. Not to
> put him out of business, but to motivate him to get his act together.

You might also consider buying a used drysuit. I managed to get a used
TLS350 for $400 on e-bay, which has been fine as my first drysuit, and
I don't feel bad if I puncture it and have to add another patch.
Jon C - 21 Jul 2004 01:18 GMT
> Yea I was afraid of this....and points well taken. Just when I was set on
> the semi-dry. And you're right my serious diver friends (the ones in the IDC
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> rather not start. This guy is in need of some serious competition. Not to
> put him out of business, but to motivate him to get his act together.

Used isn't a bad idea if you can find a good one.

Go to the LDS guy and tell him that you're thinking of ordering a drysuit
online because you can't afford one in his store.  He'll either understand
(good), offer an equal or almost equal deal (better), try to convince you to
spend the extra money (not good), or kick your sorry a.s out of the store (bad).

Whatever happens, ask yourself what's important to you and whether you can
deal with that.

Whereabouts are you?

Jon
Saul Good - 21 Jul 2004 01:40 GMT
> > Yea I was afraid of this....and points well taken. Just when I was set on
> > the semi-dry. And you're right my serious diver friends (the ones in the IDC
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>
> Jon

Western part of Virginia. If I could get him to meet me halfway, everbody
wins IMO. But believe me, I'm not the only one who has this problem with the
guy. More and more I'm seeing folks who have been dealing with him a lot
longer than I saying the same thing. I like the used idea. Shouldn't take to
long to find someone on Ebay who decided this really wasn't for him after
all, and willing to part with something nearly new for whatever he can get.
Mike Painter - 20 Jul 2004 21:06 GMT
> I've been trying out some of the local quarry action this summer, and
> I went off and left my 3mil at the quarry last weekend. I am always
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> like a red hot nail. It just didn't take me all that long to look at
> it.

The nature of the wetsuit with a nylon inner lining prevents it from being
called semi-dry in all but marketing campaigns.

The warmest wet suit, all other things being equal is one with NO inner
lining. It was abandoned with great joy when the S2S (skin two sides) suit
came on the market.

The best wetsuit on the markete today is th Henderson Goldcore which has
solved the problem of trying to put a wet suit on with out depleting the
world of talcom powder.

The best wet suit in the world is far inferior to the worst dry suit,
especially at depth.
Al Wells - 20 Jul 2004 23:23 GMT
> I would like to extend the season this year, so I will be diving in
> shallower thermalclines and slightly colder water temps before we know it.
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> making the mistake of buying a HUD when I replaced my BC earlier this year.
> I went for the TransPac and I love it!

As others have told you, a dry suit is the way to go, but if you're not
doing long bottom times in cold water and really don't want to spend the
bucks, the semi dry is an option. I have many dives in 48-50 degree
water in a Mares Isotherm and also in an old Rofosub semi dry. The Mares
is an extremely warm and comfortable suit, and I had no problem at all
doing 50-60 minutes at that temperature in it. It's hard to compare it
to the Rofosub, because the Mares was new and the Rofosub was 15 years
old. I liked the neoprene seals on the Mares; it was very comfortable on
the neck. I liked the integral hood and the neoprene seals on the
Rofosub. Be careful of the fit on the Mares though - they don't do
custom, and if it doesn't fit, it doesn't work. It is still a wetsuit;
the seals only decrease the exchange with the outside.

Another option is a custom wetsuit with latex or neoprene seals from one
of the places in CA or FL . Also look at Atlan; they make nice semi dry
and drysuits at a reasonable price. An Atlan or other neoprene drysuit
is another medium cost option.

If you really like to dive and don't want to move to where there is warm
water, the shell drysuit is your best bet. It is really nice when the
air temp is in the 40's or 50's. You get out of the suit, and you still
have on a nice warm dry undersuit.

al
DrYak - 25 Jul 2004 23:41 GMT
I bought the Mares  and love it.  The only problem is that the zipper is
on the back of your shoulders, and requires someone to zip/unzip.  I
haven't figures out how to do it myself yet, but I've waxed it a lot.
You get just a little water in it.  I get over to Delaware for one week
a year, and had a hard time justifying the cost of a dry suit.  My other
 diving in Morehead City, Florida, or the Caribbean.  I bought the
Mares from LeisurePro, so I got something off list price.  My favorite
LDS, doesn't carry Mares, but they won't see me diving from  their store
in Alexandria anyway.

> I've been trying out some of the local quarry action this summer, and I went
> off and left my 3mil at the quarry last weekend. I am always amazed at my
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> making the mistake of buying a HUD when I replaced my BC earlier this year.
> I went for the TransPac and I love it!
Michael Wolf - 26 Jul 2004 03:03 GMT
> I've been trying out some of the local quarry action this summer, and
> I went off and left my 3mil at the quarry last weekend. I am always
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> saved me from making the mistake of buying a HUD when I replaced my BC
> earlier this year. I went for the TransPac and I love it!

Try once a 7mm semi-dry from Waterproof. I have one and am very happy with
it. It has a top-quality drysuit zipper and good seals, so if you want you
can stay almost completely dry. When it gets to hot simply pull the neck
seal open to let some water in. In fall, before I switch over to my
drysuit, I dive with a t-shirt under it. I know a guy who also uses it
during wintertime and he doesn't seem to have cold to me.


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