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newbie looking for an entry level dive computer

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Jorielle - 17 Mar 2004 02:09 GMT
Hello,

I am a new diver and I'm looking for an inexpensive dive computer,
probably an used on eBay.  My last instructor told me that an Oceanic
would be fine (but I need to make sure that I can change the battery
myself).  I have looked at their websites but I think they only list
the new (current) products?  For me, any brand is fine.  I'd like to
get some suggestions and inputs?

Thanks a bunch!

Jorielle
Lee Bell - 17 Mar 2004 03:35 GMT
> Hello,
>
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> the new (current) products?  For me, any brand is fine.  I'd like to
> get some suggestions and inputs?

I'm with your instructor.  Oceanic computers are fine.  The same company
makes Oceanic, Genesis and Aeris computers.  They all have user replacable
batteries.  I chose the "hockey puck" models, so named because they are
about the size and shape of a hockey puck.  The nice thing is, they fit most
consoles made for analog depth guage.  I recommend a nitrox model if you
think there's even a slight chance of wanting to use the stuff, and I think
the chance is more than slight.  The price difference is small, but it will
keep you from having to buy another computer in just a few years.  The two
button models are handier to use than the one buttom ones, but both work
well.

Lee
Adam Helberg - 17 Mar 2004 06:59 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Jorielle

You can find good articles on computers on www.scubadiving.com
TonyP - 17 Mar 2004 14:51 GMT
> Hello,
>
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> the new (current) products?  For me, any brand is fine.  I'd like to
> get some suggestions and inputs?

I agree with Lee. I have had the Aeris Atmos Pro for about 4 years as a
backup. Works fine. Easy to program, BIG numbers for my failing eyes,
and the batteries are easy to replace. It will give you NDL for whatever
O2 percentage (up to 50%) you plug in. And, it fit right into my old
Dacor Omni console with the Dacor pressure gauge.
de Valois - 17 Mar 2004 15:09 GMT
Jorielle left this mess on 16 Mar 2004 17:09:02 -0800 for The Way to clean up:

>Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>the new (current) products?  For me, any brand is fine.  I'd like to
>get some suggestions and inputs?

Why waste your money on an entry level computer?

Either commit now to the sport and buy one that you will grow into or just use
an SPG, timer and tables until you are sure you need a computer.

Either way, you save a few hundred bucks, either now or in a year or so.

Welcome to scuba, the money pit for those if us who think golf is for faggots.

Tao te Carl
"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

(Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question
here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif
Adam Helberg - 22 Mar 2004 04:31 GMT
> Jorielle left this mess on 16 Mar 2004 17:09:02 -0800 for The Way to clean up:
> >
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>
> Welcome to scuba, the money pit for those if us who think golf is for faggots.

I have to disagree with this advice. An inexpensive computer will give you all the
information to dive safely vis-a-vis DCS for recreational diving and is much superior to
the most expensive tables. It will simplify your diving and allow prolonged multilevel
dives. I have only used the inexpensive Oceanic Prodigy and it has served me quite well.

An argument can be made for getting Nitrox capability because the price difference is
small, but if you are tight on budget I doubt you will want to do Nitrox diving.

Adam
Charlie Hammond - 17 Mar 2004 19:35 GMT
>Hello,
>
>I am a new diver and I'm looking for an inexpensive dive computer,
>probably an used on eBay.  My last instructor told me that an Oceanic
>would be fine...

I agree with several posts and your instructtor that  one of the
Oceanic, "hocky puck" size/style computers will do just fine.
I have two further suggestions:

(1) Is eBay a good choice for buying a dive computer?
   In my opinion, only if it is new computer.
   If a used computer is being sold, there is a reason it is being
   sold, and that computer is suspect.  Might be a poor way to save $$

(2) Get one (new or used) that handles Nitrox.
   The added cost is minimal -- much less than needing to "trade up"
   when you want Nitrox capability.  You may think not, but if you
   are serious about SCUBA diving, you probably will want to at least
   try nitrox and get nitrox certified.  (And if you are not serious,
   save your $$ and stick to tables!)

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Matt - 22 Mar 2004 14:49 GMT
I got a DataPlus in a console mount from Oceanic a few years back. Its
a good, reliable little computer. Problem with it is that if my regs
are in for service (or broken), I have no computer.

Therefore, get a wrist mount. The puck style computers can be used
with a wrist mount boot.

Matt

> Hello,
>
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>
> Jorielle
Lee Bell - 22 Mar 2004 15:20 GMT
> I got a DataPlus in a console mount from Oceanic a few years back. Its
> a good, reliable little computer. Problem with it is that if my regs
> are in for service (or broken), I have no computer.
>
> Therefore, get a wrist mount. The puck style computers can be used
> with a wrist mount boot.

I use a Data Plus and the Genesis equivalent.  One's in a console, the other
is in a wrist mount.  Personally, I don't send my console in when my
regulators go for service.  To the best of my knowledge, there's nothing in
that console that a technician will service that I can't do for myself.  The
pressure gauge and compass either work or they don't.  When they don't, they
get replaced.  The computer is a sealed unit.  That leaves inspection of the
hoses, which is something we all should do pretty routinely.

I use the computer in my console as the primary.  The wrist mount unit
serves as a backup when protecting against failure of a single computer is
important enough to warrant using two computers, when I want to lend one of
my other regulators to a visiting nitrox diver (none of my other regulators
are equipped with nitrox capable computers), or, somewhat more frequent,
when I chose to use one of the regulators that fits my A clamp tanks.
Personally, I'd purchase the computer in a console, but think that buying a
wrist console, even if you don't get a second computer, is worth the
investment.

I haven't mentioned this in a while, but Oceanic offered, and probably still
offers, a free simulator for their Data Plus computer.  I recommend
downloading it to anybody that is considering one of these computers or, for
that matter, for anybody that likes the idea of simulating a dive at home
before doing it in the water.

Lee
Matt - 23 Mar 2004 00:58 GMT
I find it interesting that you don't send your console in with your
regs for service. I like to leave it on for two reasons. First, I
don't have a quick release on it so it is a pain in the butt to take
off. Secondly, I have them change the batteries. Yeah, I know they say
they last for between 50 and 150 dives. I don't need them to die when
I'm down south, or if my computer were to go into deco. I feel alot
better at 100' with fresh batteries.

Just my 2 cents.

Matt

> > I got a DataPlus in a console mount from Oceanic a few years back. Its
> > a good, reliable little computer. Problem with it is that if my regs
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>
> Lee
Lee Bell - 23 Mar 2004 06:06 GMT
> I find it interesting that you don't send your console in with your
> regs for service. I like to leave it on for two reasons. First, I
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> I'm down south, or if my computer were to go into deco. I feel alot
> better at 100' with fresh batteries.

Nothing too removing the console at the first stage.  If it's tight enough
to be a problem, you probably need to find a new tech.  O ring seals, which
that one is, don't have to be all that tight to work properly.  As for
batteries, the computers I currently use have user replacable batteries.  I
would not buy one that didn't.  My old computers, both USD Monitor I
computers, have to go to the shop for battery replacements.  Chances are,
they'll not get another one.

> Just my 2 cents.

Fair enough.

Lee
Matthew Endo - 23 Mar 2004 23:03 GMT
> I use a Data Plus and the Genesis equivalent.  One's in a console, the other
> is in a wrist mount.  Personally, I don't send my console in when my
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> get replaced.  The computer is a sealed unit.  That leaves inspection of the
> hoses, which is something we all should do pretty routinely.

I usually get the spool on the SPG replaced.  Also, they can do a
pressure test and check the depth on the computer, but can't do
calibration.  Your tech may vary... (YMMV)

But then again, I dive more than the average diver in a year.

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Lee Bell - 24 Mar 2004 13:48 GMT
> I usually get the spool on the SPG replaced.

I don't understand the term spool relative to a SPG.  Explain please.

> Also, they can do a pressure test and check the depth on the computer, but
can't do
> calibration.  Your tech may vary... (YMMV)

Mine's checked against my Citizen HA and/or my backup computer (when I carry
it) on pretty much every dive.  Calibration, however, is an interesting
thought.  I think one, or both of my computers may be accessible through an
infrared port.  There may, in fact, be something the right tech, with the
right equipment, could do to service them.

Lee
de Valois - 24 Mar 2004 15:40 GMT
Lee Bell left this mess on Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:48:44 GMT for The Way to clean
up:

>> I usually get the spool on the SPG replaced.
>
>I don't understand the term spool relative to a SPG.  Explain please.

Maybe he means the Bourdon tube. It's spiral, you might mistake that for a
spool.

Tao te Carl
"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

(Kudos to Cap'n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-a.s question
here...http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif
bullshark - 24 Mar 2004 17:01 GMT
>I don't understand the term spool relative to a SPG.  Explain please.

It's the tube thingie that bridges the gap between the SPG to the HP Hose.

safe diving,

bullshark
Matthew Endo - 24 Mar 2004 21:43 GMT
> > I usually get the spool on the SPG replaced.
>
> I don't understand the term spool relative to a SPG.  Explain please.

I think bullshark already gave the technical explanation, but here goes:

The spool is a small piece of metal with 2 small O-rings, a swivel that
is contained between the SPG and the HP hose.  

http://www.scubadiving.com/article/0,7424,2-35-57-298-4-3X6X8-4,00.html

With a recreational diver, this normally never needs replacing, or if
there is a leak from the HP hose, the diver just thinks the SPG is bad
and throws it away.  But this is easily fixed by cleaning the spool and
replacing the O-rings which are tricky to put on since they are so tiny.

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Lee Bell - 25 Mar 2004 02:31 GMT
> > > I usually get the spool on the SPG replaced.
> >
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> and throws it away.  But this is easily fixed by cleaning the spool and
> replacing the O-rings which are tricky to put on since they are so tiny.

Got you.  Bullshark did, in fact, describe it first, but I did not
understand his post until I read yours.

Thanks.

Lee
 
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