Scuba Forum / Scuba Equipment / January 2004
Now a couple question on Cummerbund extenders.
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Tao Of The Dive - 03 Jan 2004 16:01 GMT Okay, after the last debate I started, I hesitate to ask this, but what the hell. After extensive pooldives with an extensive array of BC's, some previously mentioned here, I'v decided to purchase the IDI Advantage. The dive shop I usually buy from has it with cummerbund extender for $450.00. After looking online, I've found it for as low as $289.00 (www.jodiveramerica.com anybody got any bad input about that site?) Only problem, no knowledge of that p[articualr online shop, and it doesn't come with a cummerbund extender.
So what I need to know is, where can i get a cummerbund extender for it. Don't want to go to my local dive shop owner, as I do alot of business with him, and I do NOT want to admit I bought a peice of gear from an online competitor, but that I still want to buy a cheaper peice of equipment from him. He's cut me solid deals before, but this kind of markup is a bit much. And I really would hate to alienate him.
Any ideas, links?
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nospam@all.please.net - 03 Jan 2004 18:54 GMT > Okay, after the last debate I started, I hesitate to ask this, but what the > hell. After extensive pooldives with an extensive array of BC's, some [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any ideas, links? Check on S&H and ask www.joediveramerica.com about a bigger cummerbund, extender,etc. Once you know the bottom line, consider giving your LDS the opportunity to match the price. That it's an online price is on a need to know basis.
Alan Street - 03 Jan 2004 23:02 GMT > Okay, after the last debate I started, I hesitate to ask this, but what the > hell. After extensive pooldives with an extensive array of BC's, some [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any ideas, links? Well, the first thing to keep in mind is that he's going to find out anyway. $161 is a lot of money, but maybe he'll meet you halfway. Also, don't be surprised to learn that the cummerbund extender is probably $40 or $50 by itself (I have no first hand experience with these so I'm just pulling numbers out of the air, but knowing what dive gear costs, I don't think the number is unreasonable), so that $161 differential is probably more like $110~$120.
There's been lots of arguments for and against shopping on-line/mail order. I don't know if you've read any of these threads, but if you haven't it's worth your time to do so. Ultimately, it will come down to what it's worth to you to support your local LDS. For some, it's worth very little while for others it's very important. Regardless, the least you can do is give your LDS a shot at coming close to the mail order price. They won't match it, but they might be able to throw in other goodies (such as an air card) that might make it worth your while.
Alan
rnf2 - 03 Jan 2004 23:34 GMT > > Okay, after the last debate I started, I hesitate to ask this, but what the > > hell. After extensive pooldives with an extensive array of BC's, some [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Alan I second that, print out the online quote and take it round to the shop, see if they can come to an arrangement. maybe chuck in a 4AA torch?
rhys
John Lange - 04 Jan 2004 01:14 GMT But it doesn't bother you a bit to put him out of business. It is people like you who force local small business' down the tubes. Pardon me for going off on you, but I am one of those local small business' and get crapped on like that every day. That LDS let you try on HOW MANY BC's before you went bargain hunting. Let me know who this LDS is and I will make sure you never get to try out another piece of gear.
JOhn ;-(
> Okay, after the last debate I started, I hesitate to ask this, but what the > hell. After extensive pooldives with an extensive array of BC's, some [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any ideas, links? Tao Of The Dive - 05 Jan 2004 04:05 GMT > But it doesn't bother you a bit to put him out of business. It is people > like you who force local small business' down the tubes. Pardon me for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > <SNIP due to toposting> > Nice rant. But you see, the problem is, it's my money, and I'm going to make it go a far a I can. Granted, I wish to postpone my LDS finding out I didn't purchase my equipment from him, but he will eventually find out. We are after all, members of the same dive club. And anyone in business should know and expect that if they cannot offer an item for a fair price, that peole can and will look for the better deal. I understand that in business, sometimes overhead cuts down on any discount you might offer, but like I said, it boils down to my hard earned cash, and I stretch it as far as I can. Nobody, and that includes you, has the right to tell me how or where to spend my cash. You earn that right, you earn it with selection, service, knowledge, curteousy, and pricing. Those things breed loyalty. In this instance, the price weighs out all other options. This isn't exactly a cheap peice of gear to concider.
It was generally understood when I was testing his gear that I was looking for what worked and fit. Some of the gear I tried on was rental gear that he doesnt even carry. Hell, he said he justed wanted to see people in BC's that fit right and worked right, which was why I was trying gear he didn't even sell. I just don't wish to slight him by asking him to order the cheaper peice.
Lee Bell - 05 Jan 2004 12:21 GMT > I understand that in business, sometimes overhead cuts down on any discount you might offer . . .
What John does not seem to understand is that everybody has some overhead. The trick is to balance overhead and business volume. Most internet scuba retailers I know of have a physical sales facility as well and all of them that last have return policies that would give most local retailers the shakes. They add their internet and phone business to their face to face business to spread overhead over a larger sales volume, which is exactly how they manage to offer prices below what people like John find easy to match.
Darwinism applies to business even more than it does to people.
Lee
Scott - 05 Jan 2004 15:11 GMT > But it doesn't bother you a bit to put him out of business. It is people > like you who force local small business' down the tubes. Pardon me for > going off on you, but I am one of those local small business' and get > crapped on like that every day. That LDS let you try on HOW MANY BC's > before you went bargain hunting. Let me know who this LDS is and I will > make sure you never get to try out another piece of gear.
> JOhn ;-( What a crock.
Lets see, of all the local LDS's in my area (about 50) 5 are worth a sh.t, the rest are vampires looking for blood to suck. They are staffed by morons with patch covered jackets proclaiming their expertise, and selling mostly useless garbage at best, dangerous garbage at worst. Get rid of all the sh.t shops, the mandatory mark-up schemes, parasites and thieves, and you could have competitive pricing.
In fact, I know of one shop that the "technician" is stoned or drunk 24/7, he stinks like dog sh.t when he opens his mouth to speak, and is as filthy as any human you would ever care to encounter. And, because he cares so much about his customers, rather than use the proper lubricant when assembling regs (about 50% of which he f.cks up), he just puts a little spit on the o-rings for you.
Now, explain to me why *anyone* should be forced, in any way, to do any business with this creep?
srspencer@hotmail.com - 05 Jan 2004 20:05 GMT >> But it doesn't bother you a bit to put him out of business. It is people >> like you who force local small business' down the tubes. Pardon me for [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Now, explain to me why *anyone* should be forced, in any way, to do any >business with this creep? Is it O2 friendly spit?
Sounds like a class act.
And they wonder why I'm starting to prefer sailing.
T
srspencer@hotmail.com - 04 Jan 2004 04:49 GMT >Okay, after the last debate I started, I hesitate to ask this, but what the >hell. After extensive pooldives with an extensive array of BC's, some [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Any ideas, links? Popeye, clean up isle two!
What the f#$k are you buying son.
A cheap knock off of a OMS / Dive-Rite soft back.
Some one wake this boy up.
Up side you'll look like an a.s in it.
Please post pic's.
Then you want to entended the front cumber bun?
What's the front pocket for? Exta doughnuts?
I get it you think it looks cool, only to a newbie.
Get a Zeagle if you want a soft back at least it will last.
Better yet get a plate and save some cash.
Then add the unneed crap on.
Happy Trails, chuch wagon Pete.
Get along little doggie...
Toto
Brian Nadwidny - 04 Jan 2004 07:33 GMT > Popeye, clean up isle two! > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Get along little doggie... So what was your New Year's Resolution? To write in English, make sense and actually have something resembling good advice? The doughnut crack was especially good. Almost cost me a monitor.
Congratulations. So far, so good.
Brian Edmonton, Alberta
Brian Donaghy - 12 Jan 2004 03:05 GMT > Okay, after the last debate I started, I hesitate to ask this, but ...
> So what I need to know is, where can i get a cummerbund extender for it. ...
> Any ideas, links? After:
>You know not whether I'm muscualar or obese. Must be one hell of a six pack.
A simple backplate & harness would better suit your needs. You won't need to replace it if you stop working out so much and lay off the steroids.
Kimber - 12 Jan 2004 05:07 GMT > Must be one hell of a six pack. > > A simple backplate & harness would better suit your needs. You won't need to > replace it if you stop working out so much and lay off the steroids. Watch it - you are gonna be labeled a DIR twat with advice like that.
Kimber
 Signature A doubtful friend is worse than a certain enemy. Let a man be one thing or the other, and we then know how to meet him. Aesop
Brian Donaghy - 13 Jan 2004 06:52 GMT > Watch it - you are gonna be labeled a DIR twat with advice like that. Yeah, I guess you're right. Better to go for a cluttered BC which doesn't even work for you as is & needs ridiculous modifications. And then if you do even loose weight will stop working for you & you'll need a new one. Or you could buy a simple backplate & wing setup that will easily accommodate any size of diver, but people might call you names. And if you are -not muscular- will give you way better trim.
I think the thing that stings is the calibre of person throwing names like "DIR twat" around. Obviously it hurts when a person of renown, someone with a name you recognise calls you names. It hurts when its someone you look up to.
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