anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying leak
neccesitating clearing my mask 4-5 x in a 1 hour dive- I have no facial hair
and masks seem to fit well w/ tight seals when Im on land- Is it too much to
expect no leaking at all during a dive?- Im tempted to try a purge valve -
any thoughts ?
Ray - 31 Jan 2006 03:31 GMT
> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
> masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying leak
> neccesitating clearing my mask 4-5 x in a 1 hour dive- I have no facial hair
> and masks seem to fit well w/ tight seals when Im on land- Is it too much to
> expect no leaking at all during a dive?- Im tempted to try a purge valve -
> any thoughts ?
There are a couple of things to look at but I would suspect that either
you have the strap too tight causing a small fold or deformation of the
skirt, or the mask holds too much air and lifts up against the nose to a
spot where it doesn't seal like in the shop.
My daughter had a mask that sealed perfectly in the shop, but when she
cinched up the strap, it folded ever so slightly causing a steady drip.
I had a large Scubapro mask that fit beautifully in the shop but was a
high volume and the large bubble constantly lifted up on the mask
jamming into the base of my nose. Besides hurting after a half hour or
so, it seeped. I have since gone back to low volume.
Just my $.02

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Dan Bracuk - 31 Jan 2006 04:55 GMT
"canes88" <u18257@uwe> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
:masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying leak
:neccesitating clearing my mask 4-5 x in a 1 hour dive- I have no facial hair
:and masks seem to fit well w/ tight seals when Im on land- Is it too much to
:expect no leaking at all during a dive?- Im tempted to try a purge valve -
:any thoughts ?
Tight seals? Maybe you should loosen the strap. Seems
counter-intuitive, but it might work.
Dan Bracuk
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Esa Laitinen - 31 Jan 2006 06:25 GMT
> I seeem to get a very small but annoying leak
> neccesitating clearing my mask 4-5 x in a 1 hour dive- I have no facial hair
> and masks seem to fit well w/ tight seals when Im on land- Is it too much to
> expect no leaking at all during a dive?- Im tempted to try a purge valve -
> any thoughts ?
Purge valve has it's merits, but personally I don't like it since I
occationally need to grab my nose to equalize and the valves I've seen
make it a bit harder, especially with the gloves I'm using.
I would't mind clearing the mask once in 15 minutes, I probably do it
nowadays quite a bit more often. I use word "probably" because it is so
automatic that I don't register it at all.

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Rick Hughes - 04 Feb 2006 19:56 GMT
>> I seeem to get a very small but annoying leak
>> neccesitating clearing my mask 4-5 x in a 1 hour dive- I have no facial
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> occationally need to grab my nose to equalize and the valves I've seen
> make it a bit harder, especially with the gloves I'm using.
On an earlier mask ... (rubber & steel so showing my age, no silicon then)
this had the simplest of purge valves ... simply a hole in the front glass
over which was a rubber flap, about the size on a 5p coin.
If you berthed out through your nose the water would exit from the hole.
Lasted years ... never a problem.
It was great you could just lift the flap a lintel with your finger to leave
in a little water, rinse around to clear any fogging and then purge it.
Unfortunately the rubber eventually perished on side skirt so it had to go.
Rick
Dr Yak - 07 Feb 2006 03:43 GMT
>>>I seeem to get a very small but annoying leak
>>>neccesitating clearing my mask 4-5 x in a 1 hour dive- I have no facial
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Rick
I remember a mask like that. You're right it was great. It was high
volume, but easy to breathe out through the nose to adjust the pressure.
Lee Bell - 31 Jan 2006 10:55 GMT
> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
> masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> expect no leaking at all during a dive?- Im tempted to try a purge valve -
> any thoughts ?
Not knowing the details, here are some suggestions:
1. Buy your masks in person. You can't try a mask that you buy on line
before you pay for it. If you find a make and model that fits you properly,
then buy on line.
2. Guy your masks in a shop where the salesman knows something about diving.
The problem you are having is easiest to fix with expert help.
3. Buy a spare mouthpiece for your regulator and take it with you when you
shop for a mask. You should have one anyway. Your face with a mouthpiece
in it is not the same shape as your face without one.
4. If you're not easy to fit, heck, even if you are easy to fit, one of the
expanded view masks may not be for you. I have two of them that fit in the
ship that won't work in the water. They're just too damned particular about
any change in the shape of the fact their on.
Others have suggested you try loosening the strap. If you have your mask
too tight, this may be the source of your problem. Of course, too loose is
a problem too. Start a bit loose and tighten it up a bit until you get the
best results. If this doesn't work, look for a new mask.
Good luck.
Lee
ben bradlee - 31 Jan 2006 13:02 GMT
> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
> masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to
> expect no leaking at all during a dive?-
No, it's not too much to expect. It's unusual to have a mask leak in normal
diving.
> Im tempted to try a purge valve -
> any thoughts ?
A purge valve only allows you to clear your mask without breaking the seal.
It's a remote possibility that clearing your mask is what is causes the
leaking.
You've gotten some good suggestions with mask strap tension and fitting the
mask with mouthpiece in place. Try those to see if they work.
You could try having someone who knows what they are doing with you to fit
the mask and then check it underwater. It would be helpful to know where
the mask leaks, if it leaks in the same place consistently, and if it looks
like it's properly fit at depth. To have three different masks with the
same problem seems odd. Fitting a mask is not as easy as it appears but it
is not that difficult either. There are many good tips in previous threads
on how to fit a mask properly. Improper fit is the biggest cause of the
symptoms you describe but that's not the only cause. I've had two masks
leak around the lenses - one because I dropped it and the other leaked new
out of the box from the factory.
You'll enjoy diving much more without the leaking mask.
Gary Daehn - 31 Jan 2006 13:29 GMT
> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
> masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> expect no leaking at all during a dive?- Im tempted to try a purge valve -
> any thoughts ?
My wife had a persistant leak that no adjustment to the strap or shifting
position on face would fix. Mask was only one season old and hadn't leaked
last year. Prescription bifocal lenses so replacement was not high on the
list of fixes. LDS came up with an idea I'd have never thought of.....change
reg mouthpiece. Put on a smaller mouthpiece and leak was instantly gone. No
further problems. Worth a try??? I have also heard of -very rare- leaks
between the lens and frame. This might only occur at depth and not be
noticable at the surface. If this is the case nothing you do will make any
difference and it is a warranty issue.
Gary
canes88 - 31 Jan 2006 17:50 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions- the high volume mask issue sounds like it might
be worth pursuing- my last 2 masks have been high vol. and I do get the
sensation sometimes of the masking pressing up from above- both high vol
leaks Ive experienced have leaked from the bottom around my nose so that
might be an issue- Great time to go shopping!
>> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
>> masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Gary
James Connell - 02 Feb 2006 05:37 GMT
> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
> masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying leak
> neccesitating clearing my mask 4-5 x in a 1 hour dive- I have no facial hair
> and masks seem to fit well w/ tight seals when Im on land- Is it too much to
> expect no leaking at all during a dive?- Im tempted to try a purge valve -
> any thoughts ?
all the other answers are good - here's one more. Stop exhaling through
your nose ( except for mask squeeze ). Air out = water in.
nospam@all.please.net - 02 Feb 2006 06:53 GMT
>> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
>> masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying leak
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> all the other answers are good - here's one more. Stop exhaling through
> your nose ( except for mask squeeze ).
Why?
> Air out = water in.
Wrong. Consider your second stage.
John Cassara - 02 Feb 2006 11:13 GMT
I disagree also.
I am heavily bearded with a very thick mustache. I regularly exhale through
my nose to expel the water. If you could keep the mask pressure slightly
higher than ambient you would prevent any water from entering. Of course
that is theory, reality is water in the mask. Don't let a leaking mask
consume your dive. Become proficient at clearing the mask and keeping it
equalized. These tasks will become second nature and you wont even realize
how often you deal with it in time. Secondly be aware of how your
positioning is effecting your face and mask. Fast head twists, playing with
your mouth piece, twitch your lips etc all will move the mask on the face
and effect a leak. Even a second stage hose that is too short or too long
that pulls at the regulator will effect your face.
John
>>> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru
>>> 3
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Wrong. Consider your second stage.
ben bradlee - 02 Feb 2006 13:08 GMT
>I disagree also.
> I am heavily bearded with a very thick mustache. I regularly exhale
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> face and effect a leak. Even a second stage hose that is too short or too
> long that pulls at the regulator will effect your face.
John,
Your situation appears to be quite different than the original poster. Your
mask leaking apparently is linked to facial hair while the original poster
was unaware what caused his mask leaking. For many of us leaking and
constant clearing of the mask is not necessary or desirable. The same could
be said for a second stage hose improperly fit or routed. Lots of things
can cause the face to distort and change the mating surface for the mask but
fortunately they don't occur frequently in normal diving. The occurrence
I've noticed most from diving with others is a kick to the mask or fin
backwash from a near kick to the mask. Second to that is probably improper
strap placement when donning the mask. Facial convolutions don't make the
list. I've removed my regulator dozens (maybe hundreds) of times without so
much as noticing a change to the fit of the mask.
Lee Bell - 02 Feb 2006 16:42 GMT
> Lots of things can cause the face to distort and change the mating surface
> for the mask but fortunately they don't occur frequently in normal diving.
You were doing so well until the last part. They occur all the time in
normal diving. It's just that, when a mask fits really well, none of those
changes are sufficient to break the seal and let water in.
> Second to that is probably improper strap placement when donning the mask.
Excellent point. having the strap too loose or too tight is a related
problem.
> Facial convolutions don't make the list.
Because your mask fits well.
The expanded view masks tend to have a narrower skift on the bottom and, as
a result, are less able to adapt to even slight changes in the shape of the
face. While they seem to fit me well enough in the shop, both that I've
tried fail to fit worth a darn in the water.
Lee
Robert Dickson - 03 Feb 2006 02:44 GMT
The mask strap was going to be my guess. I used to keep mine too
tight and had problems as well. Still get occasional water but
clearing is no big deal.
I bought a new mask and will get to try it out next month on my annual
ST. Thomas trip. Not to open up an old thread or old wounds, but I
really interested in seeing how this one does. It's a prescription
mask with ground lenses while my previous masks had bonded lenses. I
could very well but always felt like I looked like Mr. Peepers ( for
those old enough to know).
>> Lots of things can cause the face to distort and change the mating surface
>> for the mask but fortunately they don't occur frequently in normal diving.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Lee
GWB - 02 Feb 2006 20:23 GMT
>Facial convolutions don't make the list.
That's my problem.
If I maintain a "dead pan" expression, it doesn't leak.
If I unconsciously "grimace," it leaks.
Dan Bracuk - 03 Feb 2006 03:40 GMT
"ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:John,
:Your situation appears to be quite different than the original poster. Your
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
:list. I've removed my regulator dozens (maybe hundreds) of times without so
:much as noticing a change to the fit of the mask.
You have your observations, I have mine. I don't get kicked in the
face nearly as often as I laugh when others do. Mask floods either
way.
Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
James Connell - 02 Feb 2006 19:25 GMT
>>>anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
>>>masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying leak
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Wrong. Consider your second stage.
Consider that You're an idiot and your opinion is so f.cked up as to be
useless.
Chuck Tribolet - 02 Feb 2006 23:51 GMT
A well-designed and adjusted mask will be a little tighter on top than on your lip,
so when you breathe out through your nose, any water in the mask is forced out.
No need for the "press in on the top of the mask" BS they teach in OW1.
I doubt that breathing out through his nose is the OPs problem.
My guess is that the OP is have a great time diving, smiling, and the smile
is different from the face he had on in the dive shop or on the surface. ;-)
>> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
>> masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying leak
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> all the other answers are good - here's one more. Stop exhaling through your nose ( except for mask squeeze ). Air out = water in.
D - 03 Feb 2006 20:08 GMT
I've had a simular problem and have gone thru 3 different masks to try and
fix it. What I found was that if I have the mask positioned higher up on my
face it tends to leak. If I postion it so the bottom of the mask is closer
to my upper lip, I get no leaks. Give it a try.
Dave
> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
> masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> expect no leaking at all during a dive?- Im tempted to try a purge valve -
> any thoughts ?
Dan Bracuk - 04 Feb 2006 03:53 GMT
"D" <d@cox.net> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
:I've had a simular problem and have gone thru 3 different masks to try and
:fix it. What I found was that if I have the mask positioned higher up on my
:face it tends to leak. If I postion it so the bottom of the mask is closer
:to my upper lip, I get no leaks. Give it a try.
When I put the mask higher up on my face I get water up my nose.
Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.
El Mecky - 06 Feb 2006 12:28 GMT
Try a smaller mouthpiece, like the jax if nothing else helps. Sometimes the
mask itself is okay out of the water, but with regulator in your mouth, the
form of your face changes a bit more than anticipated by the manufacturers.
Fr.
> I've had a simular problem and have gone thru 3 different masks to try and
> fix it. What I found was that if I have the mask positioned higher up on
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> valve -
>> any thoughts ?
Okidiver - 23 May 2006 02:27 GMT
Zillions of good suggestions here... do U use sunscreen? I found it always
used to cause a slow leak on my mask a few years back--don't use it anymore.
You also might have one of those faces that won't work with the mask U have.
Not too tight, not too loose is good advice.
Had a buddy who ALWAYS put silicone grease above his lip to keep it from
leaking--kinda negates the sunscreen theory, but whatever works... I've seen
other guys use Vaseline--not a good idea on rubber, but might not be as bad
on silicone...?

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> anyone can help w/ this situation?- over past few years I have run thru 3
> masks- always the same problem- I seeem to get a very small but annoying
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> expect no leaking at all during a dive?- Im tempted to try a purge valve -
> any thoughts ?
D - 24 May 2006 02:32 GMT
I had a real bad problem..went thru 3 masks..thought it was always the mask.
THey all seemed to fit real well too on land. I have no facial hair
either....I finally found the problem....I started wearing my mask lower on
my face. So the bottom of the mask was closer to my upper lip than to my
nose. Problem went away. All 3 masks fit well, with no leaks. Worked for
my odd shaped head.
Dave
> Zillions of good suggestions here... do U use sunscreen? I found it
> always used to cause a slow leak on my mask a few years back--don't use it
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>> valve -
>> any thoughts ?